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So, just as I thought I had my errors behind me, the machine starts up and gives me a "Coin-In Jam" and "Closure MB" message.  Ugh. I turn the key, and "1.Accounting" shows on the VFD, but I cannot navigate through the menus (The buttons don't work any more).


This machine was working minutes ago, and I played through hundreds of credits. Now, it suddenly seems wacky. After restarting it multiple times, it gave me a bill handling error (Sorry I don't remember exact error), and after playing around with the bill handling device it seems to have gone back to "Coin-in Jam".


I think that it's an I/O card, but which one? Does the same card handle the button deck and the coin handling? I have one coming (Thanks, Ron).


Oh, and the machine is coinless. It has no coin related items at all.
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Re: Triple Lucky 7's - Coin-in Jam error, button deck doesn't work
« Reply #1 on: March 22, 2021, 03:24:24 PM »
I received a cabinet I/O board, and tried it - no luck.


I swapped the two door I/O boards, same error and no button functions.


So then I removed the two door I/O boards, one at a time, and powered on - Same "Coin-in Jam" error message even with each board disconnected. (One at a time, powered off to plug/unplug them)


Any ideas? 
I have a 502 MB, with LOTS of wire jumpers soldered onto it... I'm wondering if it has been fixed in the past, or if this was normal for 502 boards.
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Re: Triple Lucky 7's - Coin-in Jam error, button deck doesn't work
« Reply #2 on: March 22, 2021, 04:52:11 PM »
Some had factory jumper wires installed for changes made after the boards were printed.  It sounds like yours has a problem.  Since you already replaced the I/O boards it's the next in line to be replaced.


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Re: Triple Lucky 7's - Coin-in Jam error, button deck doesn't work
« Reply #3 on: March 22, 2021, 05:52:41 PM »
Did you at any point, pull out or install the MPU or any other board (including i/o cards) while the power switch was on?

I found what happens is a small IC chip will blow up....look at all the imbedded chips on all of your boards.

It may look like a small tiny volcano bowl on top blown off...very easy to miss.

The other thing that happens is small imbedded fuses will blow internally from a power surge - rendering a circuit board useless until found and repaired.

Another thing that happens is one or two male pins on the MPU, or I/O boards will miss the females holes slightly, bend and short - rendering the button deck un-abled due to data not knowing where to go in the system....check ALL of your pins under/behind all boards.

If you did not do any of this, then the fault may lay with the old-as-dirt 502 MPU board....time to upgrade.
502 MPU's are past their lifetimes and fewer and fewer work like when they were first fabricated.
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Re: Triple Lucky 7's - Coin-in Jam error, button deck doesn't work
« Reply #4 on: March 23, 2021, 09:16:10 AM »
When I first got it, I did pull cards in and out, and it's possible that the power switch was on - however two things make me think that this is not a factor:
  • When I did that, the power supply was dead - no lights or activity of any sort. Power supply was replaced after this and I was careful not to do it again.
  • The machine worked flawlessly for at least a day just before failure. I left it powered on for 2 days (No playing, just sitting there), and I came back to the error.
I have inspected each I/O board for bad parts, cold solder joints, bent pins, etc. and did not see any issues. I briefly looked at the 502 board for issues and didn't see any. I'll look again.


Questions:
  • What is the recommended replacement for the 502? Is it a 1270 or a 504? 
  • Anybody selling one? :)  And what's the going rate?
  • Can I transfer the SB chips, etc., to keep this game?
  • Since I cannot navigate menus (Buttons don't work) I can't read out the settings in it now... May need some advice on settings when I get there. :)
  • Are these things always this touchy? Am I in for a lifetime of troubleshooting and fixes? I hope not...
Thanks again for your help. 
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Re: Triple Lucky 7's - Coin-in Jam error, button deck doesn't work
« Reply #5 on: March 23, 2021, 09:44:17 AM »
Did you replace the door I/O boards, or just swap them? I don't believe they are the same.
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Re: Triple Lucky 7's - Coin-in Jam error, button deck doesn't work
« Reply #6 on: March 23, 2021, 09:50:51 AM »
I did 3 things:
  • Swap the two boards (Both had the larger connector) (Same error)
  • Powered down, removed 1 board on door, powered up - then repeat with other board on door (Same error)
  • Swapped out the board on the side of the 502 bracket with smaller connector (Same error)
Same error in all cases (Coin-In Jam). Buttons do not work in all cases.


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Re: Triple Lucky 7's - Coin-in Jam error, button deck doesn't work
« Reply #7 on: March 23, 2021, 02:17:42 PM »
I've been playing around with my S2000 3R1L3CM Double Diamond Haywire for about 16 years now....still works great and has never had any part replacements at all....running on quarters and a WBA bill acceptor.
Almost every week or so, I play off all my one dollar bills I collect and empty that cash box about twice a year and bring all the ones to the bank. :cool_thumb_up:

This part bothers me ...>>>"and after playing around with the bill handling device it seems to have gone back to "Coin-in Jam"."

Can you recall exactly what you did?

That would help a lot.  :yes:

How about going into the settings and disabling the bill acceptor for the moment, drop a coin into the coin acceptor and see what happens? See if you get the coin-in jam error still?

You can always re-enable the bill acceptor afterwards.
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Re: Triple Lucky 7's - Coin-in Jam error, button deck doesn't work
« Reply #8 on: March 23, 2021, 02:38:28 PM »
I had previously gone through and verified connections, checked for obvious pins bent or shorts, etc. and during that I managed to eject the bill handler. I pulled it out and went over it, opened it up and did a quick check to familiarize myself with it, then put it back. The error on startup changed from "Coin-in Jam" to a bill handling error, so I turned it off and re-checked the bill handler - and the error returned to Coin-in Jam.  I think I just didn't have it seated all the way in and closed up as it should be.


This machine has no coin handling at all. It is bills/ticket only. That's why Coin-in Jam is so weird.


And I can't do anything in the menus - The buttons don't work. (They used to before the error). :Scratch-Head:

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Re: Triple Lucky 7's - Coin-in Jam error, button deck doesn't work
« Reply #9 on: March 23, 2021, 04:09:04 PM »
When the buttons don't work, that usually means something is shorted.
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Re: Triple Lucky 7's - Coin-in Jam error, button deck doesn't work
« Reply #10 on: March 24, 2021, 04:22:08 PM »
Do your reels spin backwards on boot?

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Re: Triple Lucky 7's - Coin-in Jam error, button deck doesn't work
« Reply #11 on: March 24, 2021, 04:26:28 PM »
They spin top to bottom, right to left - as they should.

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Re: Triple Lucky 7's - Coin-in Jam error, button deck doesn't work
« Reply #12 on: March 24, 2021, 04:35:43 PM »
One of your senet devices is bad. You can try following this video. I would watch the video entirely and if your confused by the direction don't try it.
Igt s2000 slot machine Senet diagnostic process
https://youtu.be/0wtvQSst3n8

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Re: Triple Lucky 7's - Coin-in Jam error, button deck doesn't work
« Reply #13 on: March 24, 2021, 06:00:20 PM »
Those two 14-pin Molex plugs that go to the forward and back I/O cards for 2-row button decks on the door panel is exactly what newbies get mixed up about...esp when there's a 9-line display panel on the reel glass.

I've seen many times the 9-line display panel harness running to the back I/O card....wrong!

In the video, the fella never mentioned that the buffer on the 801 I/O card was completely blown at the [C5] location.... :rotfl:

You'll only see it for a brief second in the video.....I took a screenshot of it! lol

Click on screenshot to enlarge if needed to see blown chip...>>>
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Re: Triple Lucky 7's - Coin-in Jam error, button deck doesn't work
« Reply #14 on: March 24, 2021, 06:11:35 PM »
Those two 14-pin Molex plugs that go to the forward and back I/O cards for 2-row button decks on the door panel is exactly what newbies get mixed up about...esp when there's a 9-line display panel on the reel glass.

I've seen many times the 9 -line display panel harness running to the back I/O card....wrong!

In the video, the fella never mentioned that the buffer on the 801 I/O card was completely blown.... :rotfl: You'll only see it for a brief second in the video.....I took a screenshot of it! lol


No buffers were harmed in the making of that video. I used a bad door card just to make that video. The game was fully functional before i purposely broke it.

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Re: Triple Lucky 7's - Coin-in Jam error, button deck doesn't work
« Reply #15 on: March 24, 2021, 06:13:16 PM »
oh okay! That explains why they worked! haha Thanks!

Awesome testing video for checking out Senet problems by the way!!  :cool_thumb_up:


I didn't look at the schematics...was it a buffer or a fuse blown at [C5]?
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Re: Triple Lucky 7's - Coin-in Jam error, button deck doesn't work
« Reply #16 on: March 24, 2021, 06:24:26 PM »
Thats a capacitor they are one of the most common failures on door cards.

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Re: Triple Lucky 7's - Coin-in Jam error, button deck doesn't work
« Reply #17 on: March 24, 2021, 06:35:57 PM »
Thats a capacitor they are one of the most common failures on door cards.
Thank you...I should order some caps and repair a few down cards I have. Awessome! :cool_thumb_up:
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Re: Triple Lucky 7's - Coin-in Jam error, button deck doesn't work
« Reply #18 on: March 24, 2021, 07:01:43 PM »
HEY! Let's keep this about me guys. :D    :Crazy:


I will look at it first chance I get. Thank you.


I did carefully examine U62 on the MPU for any visible faults, none there... And it sounds like I need to check the molex connectors too.  That wouldn't make sense to me though, because it was working and then stopped, and I *know* I didn't change anything in between, since I finally had a working machine.  I wouldn't jinx it like that. :)

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Re: Triple Lucky 7's - Coin-in Jam error, button deck doesn't work
« Reply #19 on: March 24, 2021, 07:09:58 PM »
haha yup!
In many ways, it is about your problem that you're having!
You learn a lot from the guys chatting about slot stuff around here!....in the end, you'll be wishing we did this more often!! haha
Someday you will blow out a card and this is how you fix it!  :cool_thumb_up: But your wiring is suspect too because it's an "unseen" thing under the covering.
We slot guys check EVERYTHING!!  :yes:
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