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Author Topic: Bally 809-ZZN Full Restoration.  (Read 38562 times)

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Re: A Bally 809-ZZN restoration.
« Reply #20 on: September 08, 2022, 08:10:34 PM »
I've worked with the Molex connector this one is a different shape. I just removed the wiring harness, next is to locate the burnt wire and replace it.

some bally parts manuals refer to the connector as a "mate-n-lock".  Amp/TE makes/made a connector called mate-n-lok.

eventually they used molex series 1189/1190 (.093 round pins, 14-20ga) and series 1380/1381 (.093 round pin, 18-22ga) stuff

I've never tried to get a connector body that snaps into the bracket.  You'd need to make some measurements.  Here is the molex .093 family page:
https://www.molex.com/molex/products/family/standard_093

a common term for the body style is "panel mount", but molex panel mount looks different.  The mate-n-lok housing looks more like what you have ... e.g.
https://www.te.com/usa-en/product-1-171196-0.html

Thanks will look for it.

Bally Model: V5500 25¢1995
Bally 3 reel model: 1114 $1.00 3 coin multiplier, 1977
Bally 3 reel Model: 1090-29, 25¢, 3 coin multiplier, 1979
Bally 3 reel model: 809-ZZN, 5¢ Mint Hotel and Casino,  5 coin multiplier, 1970
Bally 3 reel Model: 831-4Z 25¢ Frontier Hotel and casino, 3 coin multiplayer,1975
Rowe Jukebox Model: CD-100 Year: March 1990
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Re: A Bally 809-ZZN restoration.
« Reply #21 on: September 08, 2022, 08:18:43 PM »
I don't know if this will help you?
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Re: A Bally 809-ZZN restoration.
« Reply #22 on: September 09, 2022, 01:02:37 PM »
I'm going to start cleaning the Chrome parts, steel parts. Shell, interior cabinet.

Bally Model: V5500 25¢1995
Bally 3 reel model: 1114 $1.00 3 coin multiplier, 1977
Bally 3 reel Model: 1090-29, 25¢, 3 coin multiplier, 1979
Bally 3 reel model: 809-ZZN, 5¢ Mint Hotel and Casino,  5 coin multiplier, 1970
Bally 3 reel Model: 831-4Z 25¢ Frontier Hotel and casino, 3 coin multiplayer,1975
Rowe Jukebox Model: CD-100 Year: March 1990
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Re: A Bally 809-ZZN restoration.
« Reply #23 on: September 09, 2022, 03:59:40 PM »
 :applause:
The original Bally locks were on the machine. Reset lock is a National wafer cam, in excellent condition inside and outside. The door lock is the original Ace lock, the code matched up with Bally.
Kinda cool, so I got them cleaned, made a first fit key using original Ace keys, National keys for both locks.

Bally Model: V5500 25¢1995
Bally 3 reel model: 1114 $1.00 3 coin multiplier, 1977
Bally 3 reel Model: 1090-29, 25¢, 3 coin multiplier, 1979
Bally 3 reel model: 809-ZZN, 5¢ Mint Hotel and Casino,  5 coin multiplier, 1970
Bally 3 reel Model: 831-4Z 25¢ Frontier Hotel and casino, 3 coin multiplayer,1975
Rowe Jukebox Model: CD-100 Year: March 1990
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Re: A Bally 809-ZZN restoration.
« Reply #24 on: September 09, 2022, 04:00:49 PM »
Bally Model: V5500 25¢1995
Bally 3 reel model: 1114 $1.00 3 coin multiplier, 1977
Bally 3 reel Model: 1090-29, 25¢, 3 coin multiplier, 1979
Bally 3 reel model: 809-ZZN, 5¢ Mint Hotel and Casino,  5 coin multiplier, 1970
Bally 3 reel Model: 831-4Z 25¢ Frontier Hotel and casino, 3 coin multiplayer,1975
Rowe Jukebox Model: CD-100 Year: March 1990
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Re: A Bally 809-ZZN restoration.
« Reply #25 on: September 09, 2022, 05:22:30 PM »
I don't know if this will help you?

you'd need to see more pictures from different angles, especially what's on the back side and the plug(s).  Looks like a large diameter coin hopper which wouldn't support nickels.

what does it say on the label under the handle?

I have no info on a model 878 except it was a "three line pay".

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Re: A Bally 809-ZZN restoration.
« Reply #26 on: September 09, 2022, 05:36:38 PM »
I don't know if this will help you?

you'd need to see more pictures from different angles, especially what's on the back side and the plug(s).  Looks like a large diameter coin hopper which wouldn't support nickels.

what does it say on the label under the handle?

I have no info on a model 878 except it was a "three line pay".

Thanks, I know were trying our best to locate one.
Bally Model: V5500 25¢1995
Bally 3 reel model: 1114 $1.00 3 coin multiplier, 1977
Bally 3 reel Model: 1090-29, 25¢, 3 coin multiplier, 1979
Bally 3 reel model: 809-ZZN, 5¢ Mint Hotel and Casino,  5 coin multiplier, 1970
Bally 3 reel Model: 831-4Z 25¢ Frontier Hotel and casino, 3 coin multiplayer,1975
Rowe Jukebox Model: CD-100 Year: March 1990
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Re: A Bally 809-ZZN restoration.
« Reply #27 on: September 09, 2022, 05:50:42 PM »
Compared pictures.
I have been comparing parts, and the hopper has a lot of parts that are duplicate. So tis would be a good base to start with and build up from here.  :yes:
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Bally Model: V5500 25¢1995
Bally 3 reel model: 1114 $1.00 3 coin multiplier, 1977
Bally 3 reel Model: 1090-29, 25¢, 3 coin multiplier, 1979
Bally 3 reel model: 809-ZZN, 5¢ Mint Hotel and Casino,  5 coin multiplier, 1970
Bally 3 reel Model: 831-4Z 25¢ Frontier Hotel and casino, 3 coin multiplayer,1975
Rowe Jukebox Model: CD-100 Year: March 1990
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Re: A Bally 809-ZZN restoration.
« Reply #28 on: September 10, 2022, 08:26:45 AM »
The missing hopper is in three models. 952, 956, 809. The contact plate is: A-1753-72B, the wiper is AS-1046-43A
Bally Model: V5500 25¢1995
Bally 3 reel model: 1114 $1.00 3 coin multiplier, 1977
Bally 3 reel Model: 1090-29, 25¢, 3 coin multiplier, 1979
Bally 3 reel model: 809-ZZN, 5¢ Mint Hotel and Casino,  5 coin multiplier, 1970
Bally 3 reel Model: 831-4Z 25¢ Frontier Hotel and casino, 3 coin multiplayer,1975
Rowe Jukebox Model: CD-100 Year: March 1990
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Re: A Bally 809-ZZN restoration.
« Reply #29 on: September 10, 2022, 03:08:50 PM »
The missing hopper is in three models. 952, 956, 809. The contact plate is: A-1753-72B, the wiper is AS-1046-43A

that depends on what you define to be the "hopper".  The basic frame, handle, motor, and most of the stuff moving the coins around is common to a lot more models than that.

there's many different pinwheel discs that the coins ride on ... the coin diameter determines which is used.  There's just a few used in the USA tho.

A-1573-Xb is an engineering drawing number.  The 'b' is the size of the paper.  A-1573-72 would be the diagram for a specific layout of traces on the contact plate. 

the number that appears in copper on the contact plate is M-645-xxx, and I assume there's a one-to-one mapping between that number and the A-1573- number.  I've never seen an A-1573-xxx drawing to confirm tho.

the w-923-xxx drawing is what defines the contact plate AND wiring for a specific machine, and the same drawing usually applied to many machines - even machines of different models.  It's the payout table desired that matters.

for example, the 809-ZH is defined by w-923-62 (pedantically w-923-62b).  It uses the M-645-118 contact plate, which is diagrammed on drawing A-1573-72b.    The drawing also applies to some 742A, 808 and other models, and well as many other versions of the 809.   The 809 series games used at least 20 different contact plates ... there's lots of variations in the payout schedules.

I'm not trying to discourage ya, but you have a fairly unique machine that used a possibly unique payout counter contact plate.  The wipers are likely the commonest ones tho. 

I can guarantee that an unmodified M-645-118 disc will not work on your machine.  That disc supports payouts of 2, 5, 10, 14, 18, 20, 50, 100 and 200 (see below).  You need a payout of 3.

a payout counter unit with an M-645-118 would actually be a reasonable disc to get tho, as it has a 20 trace that you don't need.  You can simply cut it to length 3 and use that for your cherry pay.  The trick would be attaching the  wire to the trace in a way that the wipers can ride over it on pays >100.  It may be easier to modify the 2 trace to make it length 3, tho you'd probably need to carve out some of the 5 trace to make room.

anyway, when looking at hoppers, you need the following:
- 5 cent pinwheel and coin knife
- a 30 pin plug
- an electrically stepped payout counter and the associated switches that control it
- a payout counter disc trace pattern that supports the pays you need.
- a payout relay and ideally a delay relay, tho you can source those a lot more easily.
 
all I can see from Stayouttadabunker's pic is that it's an electrically stepped hopper that says 878 on it in sharpie.  The plastic standoffs on what looks to be a circuit board imply the hopper was not pulled from an EM slot.

assuming you want to keep your machine to be 5 cent, I'd recommend focusing on finding a nickel hopper, then see what you would need to make it work on your machine.

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Re: A Bally 809-ZZN restoration.
« Reply #30 on: September 10, 2022, 03:18:32 PM »
The missing hopper is in three models. 952, 956, 809. The contact plate is: A-1753-72B, the wiper is AS-1046-43A

that depends on what you define to be the "hopper".  The basic frame, handle, motor, and most of the stuff moving the coins around is common to a lot more models than that.

there's many different pinwheel discs that the coins ride on ... the coin diameter determines which is used.  There's just a few used in the USA tho.

A-1573-Xb is an engineering drawing number.  The 'b' is the size of the paper.  A-1573-72 would be the diagram for a specific layout of traces on the contact plate. 

the number that appears in copper on the contact plate is M-645-xxx, and I assume there's a one-to-one mapping between that number and the A-1573- number.  I've never seen an A-1573-xxx drawing to confirm tho.

the w-923-xxx drawing is what defines the contact plate AND wiring for a specific machine, and the same drawing usually applied to many machines - even machines of different models.  It's the payout table desired that matters.

for example, the 809-ZH is defined by w-923-62 (pedantically w-923-62b).  It uses the M-645-118 contact plate, which is diagrammed on drawing A-1573-72b.    The drawing also applies to some 742A, 808 and other models, and well as many other versions of the 809.   The 809 series games used at least 20 different contact plates ... there's lots of variations in the payout schedules.

I'm not trying to discourage ya, but you have a fairly unique machine that used a possibly unique payout counter contact plate.  The wipers are likely the commonest ones tho. 

I can guarantee that an unmodified M-645-118 disc will not work on your machine.  That disc supports payouts of 2, 5, 10, 14, 18, 20, 50, 100 and 200 (see below).  You need a payout of 3.

a payout counter unit with an M-645-118 would actually be a reasonable disc to get tho, as it has a 20 trace that you don't need.  You can simply cut it to length 3 and use that for your cherry pay.  The trick would be attaching the  wire to the trace in a way that the wipers can ride over it on pays >100.  It may be easier to modify the 2 trace to make it length 3, tho you'd probably need to carve out some of the 5 trace to make room.

anyway, when looking at hoppers, you need the following:
- 5 cent pinwheel and coin knife
- a 30 pin plug
- an electrically stepped payout counter and the associated switches that control it
- a payout counter disc trace pattern that supports the pays you need.
- a payout relay and ideally a delay relay, tho you can source those a lot more easily.
 
all I can see from Stayouttadabunker's pic is that it's an electrically stepped hopper that says 878 on it in sharpie.  The plastic standoffs on what looks to be a circuit board imply the hopper was not pulled from an EM slot.

assuming you want to keep your machine to be 5 cent, I'd recommend focusing on finding a nickel hopper, then see what you would need to make it work on your machine.

Education, thanks! I will specifically look for the 809 5¢. I really need to work on this cracking this nut.
« Last Edit: September 10, 2022, 03:36:00 PM by David Walz »
Bally Model: V5500 25¢1995
Bally 3 reel model: 1114 $1.00 3 coin multiplier, 1977
Bally 3 reel Model: 1090-29, 25¢, 3 coin multiplier, 1979
Bally 3 reel model: 809-ZZN, 5¢ Mint Hotel and Casino,  5 coin multiplier, 1970
Bally 3 reel Model: 831-4Z 25¢ Frontier Hotel and casino, 3 coin multiplayer,1975
Rowe Jukebox Model: CD-100 Year: March 1990
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Re: A Bally 809-ZZN restoration.
« Reply #31 on: September 10, 2022, 03:43:08 PM »
Photos: cleaning up the cabinet, inside shell.
The slot machine is a 1970 Las Vegas Mint Casino, the cigarette goop was everywhere in and out of the machine. A brown color goop, and not to be confused with the dried up grease.  :no:
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Bally Model: V5500 25¢1995
Bally 3 reel model: 1114 $1.00 3 coin multiplier, 1977
Bally 3 reel Model: 1090-29, 25¢, 3 coin multiplier, 1979
Bally 3 reel model: 809-ZZN, 5¢ Mint Hotel and Casino,  5 coin multiplier, 1970
Bally 3 reel Model: 831-4Z 25¢ Frontier Hotel and casino, 3 coin multiplayer,1975
Rowe Jukebox Model: CD-100 Year: March 1990
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Re: A Bally 809-ZZN restoration.
« Reply #32 on: September 10, 2022, 03:47:47 PM »
Photos: handle mechanism assembly.
Bally Model: V5500 25¢1995
Bally 3 reel model: 1114 $1.00 3 coin multiplier, 1977
Bally 3 reel Model: 1090-29, 25¢, 3 coin multiplier, 1979
Bally 3 reel model: 809-ZZN, 5¢ Mint Hotel and Casino,  5 coin multiplier, 1970
Bally 3 reel Model: 831-4Z 25¢ Frontier Hotel and casino, 3 coin multiplayer,1975
Rowe Jukebox Model: CD-100 Year: March 1990
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Re: A Bally 809-ZZN restoration.
« Reply #33 on: September 10, 2022, 03:50:24 PM »
Photos: handle assembly.
This handle assembly was pretty much frozen. Taking it apart completely solved the problem. Each part had hardened grease, afterwards it works slicker than snot
Bally Model: V5500 25¢1995
Bally 3 reel model: 1114 $1.00 3 coin multiplier, 1977
Bally 3 reel Model: 1090-29, 25¢, 3 coin multiplier, 1979
Bally 3 reel model: 809-ZZN, 5¢ Mint Hotel and Casino,  5 coin multiplier, 1970
Bally 3 reel Model: 831-4Z 25¢ Frontier Hotel and casino, 3 coin multiplayer,1975
Rowe Jukebox Model: CD-100 Year: March 1990
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Re: A Bally 809-ZZN restoration.
« Reply #34 on: September 10, 2022, 03:54:27 PM »
Photos. The cabinet has some issues, wood screws were not holding I repaired the holes. The cabinet has some issues, I sorted most of them out.
Bally Model: V5500 25¢1995
Bally 3 reel model: 1114 $1.00 3 coin multiplier, 1977
Bally 3 reel Model: 1090-29, 25¢, 3 coin multiplier, 1979
Bally 3 reel model: 809-ZZN, 5¢ Mint Hotel and Casino,  5 coin multiplier, 1970
Bally 3 reel Model: 831-4Z 25¢ Frontier Hotel and casino, 3 coin multiplayer,1975
Rowe Jukebox Model: CD-100 Year: March 1990
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Re: A Bally 809-ZZN restoration.
« Reply #35 on: September 10, 2022, 05:24:47 PM »
I don't know if this will help you?

you'd need to see more pictures from different angles, especially what's on the back side and the plug(s).  Looks like a large diameter coin hopper which wouldn't support nickels.

what does it say on the label under the handle?




I have no info on a model 878 except it was a "three line pay".

Thanks, I know were trying our best to locate one.

I will take a photo of the label under the handle Tuesday morning.
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Re: A Bally 809-ZZN restoration.
« Reply #36 on: September 10, 2022, 05:41:32 PM »
I don't know if this will help you?

you'd need to see more pictures from different angles, especially what's on the back side and the plug(s).  Looks like a large diameter coin hopper which wouldn't support nickels.

what does it say on the label under the handle?




I have no info on a model 878 except it was a "three line pay".

Thanks, I know were trying our best to locate one.

I will take a photo of the label under the handle Tuesday morning.

Thanks for everything you are doing.  :thank_you:
Bally Model: V5500 25¢1995
Bally 3 reel model: 1114 $1.00 3 coin multiplier, 1977
Bally 3 reel Model: 1090-29, 25¢, 3 coin multiplier, 1979
Bally 3 reel model: 809-ZZN, 5¢ Mint Hotel and Casino,  5 coin multiplier, 1970
Bally 3 reel Model: 831-4Z 25¢ Frontier Hotel and casino, 3 coin multiplayer,1975
Rowe Jukebox Model: CD-100 Year: March 1990
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Re: A Bally 809-ZZN restoration.
« Reply #37 on: September 11, 2022, 09:12:44 AM »
Starting on the wiring harness. Very slow work, cleaning each part, checking the continuity, checking the contacts, most are dirty. Checking out the switches.

The timer.



Bally Model: V5500 25¢1995
Bally 3 reel model: 1114 $1.00 3 coin multiplier, 1977
Bally 3 reel Model: 1090-29, 25¢, 3 coin multiplier, 1979
Bally 3 reel model: 809-ZZN, 5¢ Mint Hotel and Casino,  5 coin multiplier, 1970
Bally 3 reel Model: 831-4Z 25¢ Frontier Hotel and casino, 3 coin multiplayer,1975
Rowe Jukebox Model: CD-100 Year: March 1990
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Wasilla Locksmith safe and vault.

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Re: A Bally 809-ZZN restoration.
« Reply #38 on: September 11, 2022, 09:18:47 AM »
Cleaning the contacts.
Bally Model: V5500 25¢1995
Bally 3 reel model: 1114 $1.00 3 coin multiplier, 1977
Bally 3 reel Model: 1090-29, 25¢, 3 coin multiplier, 1979
Bally 3 reel model: 809-ZZN, 5¢ Mint Hotel and Casino,  5 coin multiplier, 1970
Bally 3 reel Model: 831-4Z 25¢ Frontier Hotel and casino, 3 coin multiplayer,1975
Rowe Jukebox Model: CD-100 Year: March 1990
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Wasilla Locksmith safe and vault.

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Re: A Bally 809-ZZN restoration.
« Reply #39 on: September 11, 2022, 09:21:07 AM »
Contacts cleaned.
Bally Model: V5500 25¢1995
Bally 3 reel model: 1114 $1.00 3 coin multiplier, 1977
Bally 3 reel Model: 1090-29, 25¢, 3 coin multiplier, 1979
Bally 3 reel model: 809-ZZN, 5¢ Mint Hotel and Casino,  5 coin multiplier, 1970
Bally 3 reel Model: 831-4Z 25¢ Frontier Hotel and casino, 3 coin multiplayer,1975
Rowe Jukebox Model: CD-100 Year: March 1990
___________________________
Wasilla Locksmith safe and vault.

 

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