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Author Topic: Bally 809-ZZN Full Restoration.  (Read 39838 times)

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Re: A Bally 809-ZZN restoration.
« Reply #320 on: November 01, 2022, 04:21:43 PM »
I have the hopper motor installed today, it arrived in the mail.
Bally Model: V5500 25¢1995
Bally 3 reel model: 1114 $1.00 3 coin multiplier, 1977
Bally 3 reel Model: 1090-29, 25¢, 3 coin multiplier, 1979
Bally 3 reel model: 809-ZZN, 5¢ Mint Hotel and Casino,  5 coin multiplier, 1970
Bally 3 reel Model: 831-4Z 25¢ Frontier Hotel and casino, 3 coin multiplayer,1975
Rowe Jukebox Model: CD-100 Year: March 1990
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Re: A Bally 809-ZZN restoration.
« Reply #321 on: November 02, 2022, 09:04:18 AM »
Working on 50V hot wires through the plugs for a start. Trying to locate the problem.

My bad, I didn't have enough coffee, disregard this posting.  :banghead:
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Bally Model: V5500 25¢1995
Bally 3 reel model: 1114 $1.00 3 coin multiplier, 1977
Bally 3 reel Model: 1090-29, 25¢, 3 coin multiplier, 1979
Bally 3 reel model: 809-ZZN, 5¢ Mint Hotel and Casino,  5 coin multiplier, 1970
Bally 3 reel Model: 831-4Z 25¢ Frontier Hotel and casino, 3 coin multiplayer,1975
Rowe Jukebox Model: CD-100 Year: March 1990
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Re: A Bally 809-ZZN restoration.
« Reply #322 on: November 05, 2022, 07:53:39 AM »
More work identifying the path  of the wiring in the slot machine. This is the most accurate one I've come up with. I've dealt with broken wires, the Mint casino wires, but I'm really close.
Bally Model: V5500 25¢1995
Bally 3 reel model: 1114 $1.00 3 coin multiplier, 1977
Bally 3 reel Model: 1090-29, 25¢, 3 coin multiplier, 1979
Bally 3 reel model: 809-ZZN, 5¢ Mint Hotel and Casino,  5 coin multiplier, 1970
Bally 3 reel Model: 831-4Z 25¢ Frontier Hotel and casino, 3 coin multiplayer,1975
Rowe Jukebox Model: CD-100 Year: March 1990
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Re: A Bally 809-ZZN restoration.
« Reply #323 on: November 05, 2022, 07:44:35 PM »
Another few hours of checking out more wires. The 74-1 wire to the coin switch had 50 Volts then it just quit for no reason. The wire plug between the two is dead, I'm looking for some kind of switch, some reason for wire to loose 50 volts. Something like a override switch maybe, I don't know but tomorrow is another new day. The wiring diagram doesn't show anything but a straight line between the two plugs.  :Scratch-Head:
Bally Model: V5500 25¢1995
Bally 3 reel model: 1114 $1.00 3 coin multiplier, 1977
Bally 3 reel Model: 1090-29, 25¢, 3 coin multiplier, 1979
Bally 3 reel model: 809-ZZN, 5¢ Mint Hotel and Casino,  5 coin multiplier, 1970
Bally 3 reel Model: 831-4Z 25¢ Frontier Hotel and casino, 3 coin multiplayer,1975
Rowe Jukebox Model: CD-100 Year: March 1990
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Re: A Bally 809-ZZN restoration.
« Reply #324 on: November 06, 2022, 03:19:00 PM »
Found it, a coil wire was broken.  :banghead:

I assembled a test light since I can't hear the ohm meter sound.
Bally Model: V5500 25¢1995
Bally 3 reel model: 1114 $1.00 3 coin multiplier, 1977
Bally 3 reel Model: 1090-29, 25¢, 3 coin multiplier, 1979
Bally 3 reel model: 809-ZZN, 5¢ Mint Hotel and Casino,  5 coin multiplier, 1970
Bally 3 reel Model: 831-4Z 25¢ Frontier Hotel and casino, 3 coin multiplayer,1975
Rowe Jukebox Model: CD-100 Year: March 1990
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Re: A Bally 809-ZZN restoration.
« Reply #325 on: November 07, 2022, 10:04:54 AM »
The Dash Pod was fried, I had to rebuilt it. Problem was the lock out coil started buzzing, and it was intermittent, wiggling the handle and it was erratic.

Now the other issue is if I pull the reels out I have power from the 31-1 lock out coil to the upper cabinet, if I put the reels back, it's dead.  :Scratch-Head:
Bally Model: V5500 25¢1995
Bally 3 reel model: 1114 $1.00 3 coin multiplier, 1977
Bally 3 reel Model: 1090-29, 25¢, 3 coin multiplier, 1979
Bally 3 reel model: 809-ZZN, 5¢ Mint Hotel and Casino,  5 coin multiplier, 1970
Bally 3 reel Model: 831-4Z 25¢ Frontier Hotel and casino, 3 coin multiplayer,1975
Rowe Jukebox Model: CD-100 Year: March 1990
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Re: A Bally 809-ZZN restoration.
« Reply #326 on: November 07, 2022, 10:08:31 AM »
I am in need of the plastic covers for the wiring, seems to be some thin wall plastic which is difficult to locate.
Bally Model: V5500 25¢1995
Bally 3 reel model: 1114 $1.00 3 coin multiplier, 1977
Bally 3 reel Model: 1090-29, 25¢, 3 coin multiplier, 1979
Bally 3 reel model: 809-ZZN, 5¢ Mint Hotel and Casino,  5 coin multiplier, 1970
Bally 3 reel Model: 831-4Z 25¢ Frontier Hotel and casino, 3 coin multiplayer,1975
Rowe Jukebox Model: CD-100 Year: March 1990
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Re: A Bally 809-ZZN restoration.
« Reply #327 on: November 07, 2022, 12:21:56 PM »
Starting to isolate wires to find out the issue. I am at the hopper now, I'll keep working the wiring.  :Scratch-Head:
Bally Model: V5500 25¢1995
Bally 3 reel model: 1114 $1.00 3 coin multiplier, 1977
Bally 3 reel Model: 1090-29, 25¢, 3 coin multiplier, 1979
Bally 3 reel model: 809-ZZN, 5¢ Mint Hotel and Casino,  5 coin multiplier, 1970
Bally 3 reel Model: 831-4Z 25¢ Frontier Hotel and casino, 3 coin multiplayer,1975
Rowe Jukebox Model: CD-100 Year: March 1990
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Re: A Bally 809-ZZN restoration.
« Reply #328 on: November 08, 2022, 01:07:51 PM »
One more broken wire found, while I just puttering around another group of wiring.   

Eureka it's running!  :applause:

Still have more work to be done, now I have to diagnose the slot machine when it's running.  :nerd:
Bally Model: V5500 25¢1995
Bally 3 reel model: 1114 $1.00 3 coin multiplier, 1977
Bally 3 reel Model: 1090-29, 25¢, 3 coin multiplier, 1979
Bally 3 reel model: 809-ZZN, 5¢ Mint Hotel and Casino,  5 coin multiplier, 1970
Bally 3 reel Model: 831-4Z 25¢ Frontier Hotel and casino, 3 coin multiplayer,1975
Rowe Jukebox Model: CD-100 Year: March 1990
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Re: A Bally 809-ZZN restoration.
« Reply #329 on: November 08, 2022, 01:17:20 PM »
More part are arriving, the candle is on it's way. :applause:


Bally Model: V5500 25¢1995
Bally 3 reel model: 1114 $1.00 3 coin multiplier, 1977
Bally 3 reel Model: 1090-29, 25¢, 3 coin multiplier, 1979
Bally 3 reel model: 809-ZZN, 5¢ Mint Hotel and Casino,  5 coin multiplier, 1970
Bally 3 reel Model: 831-4Z 25¢ Frontier Hotel and casino, 3 coin multiplayer,1975
Rowe Jukebox Model: CD-100 Year: March 1990
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Re: A Bally 809-ZZN restoration.
« Reply #330 on: November 09, 2022, 05:36:22 PM »
Kinda just got too involved with the slot machine, it was acting crazy like drug overdose crazy. Long story real short I had to get away from it.  :fryingpan:

Today I got some sleep and I started looking for cut wires, and I found some, I also found cut wires on the beau plug. This explains a lot, they are important wires for the meters. The meters are integrated into the upper cabinet, reels, and the cut wires were creating havoc. Worst of all, the wires were hidden inside of the wiring harness.  :banghead:

Good news the safety timer works.

I have several cut wires replaced, still I have a ways to go.....
Bally Model: V5500 25¢1995
Bally 3 reel model: 1114 $1.00 3 coin multiplier, 1977
Bally 3 reel Model: 1090-29, 25¢, 3 coin multiplier, 1979
Bally 3 reel model: 809-ZZN, 5¢ Mint Hotel and Casino,  5 coin multiplier, 1970
Bally 3 reel Model: 831-4Z 25¢ Frontier Hotel and casino, 3 coin multiplayer,1975
Rowe Jukebox Model: CD-100 Year: March 1990
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Re: A Bally 809-ZZN restoration.
« Reply #331 on: November 10, 2022, 07:59:29 AM »
Makes more sense when I have discovered the missing wires, it affects the slot machine and how it actually works. I just can't imagine why someone would actually remove the wires.  :banghead:

The wires that are missing are: 63-2, 60, 41-2. 63-2 is basically a wire getting power from the 70 wire, another major important wire. 42-1 count unit goes to the upper cabinet, I have the #60 Replaced to the odds relay in the upper cabinet. That is a important wire. More work ahead, replacing wires, having to weave them back into the wiring harness takes hours to do it correctly. It's definitely a challenge.
Bally Model: V5500 25¢1995
Bally 3 reel model: 1114 $1.00 3 coin multiplier, 1977
Bally 3 reel Model: 1090-29, 25¢, 3 coin multiplier, 1979
Bally 3 reel model: 809-ZZN, 5¢ Mint Hotel and Casino,  5 coin multiplier, 1970
Bally 3 reel Model: 831-4Z 25¢ Frontier Hotel and casino, 3 coin multiplayer,1975
Rowe Jukebox Model: CD-100 Year: March 1990
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Re: A Bally 809-ZZN restoration.
« Reply #332 on: November 10, 2022, 08:16:34 AM »
The slot machine is like Humpty Dumpty, getting the pieces of the puzzle correctly in place, AFTER someone else tried to put it together incorrectly.  :nerd:
Bally Model: V5500 25¢1995
Bally 3 reel model: 1114 $1.00 3 coin multiplier, 1977
Bally 3 reel Model: 1090-29, 25¢, 3 coin multiplier, 1979
Bally 3 reel model: 809-ZZN, 5¢ Mint Hotel and Casino,  5 coin multiplier, 1970
Bally 3 reel Model: 831-4Z 25¢ Frontier Hotel and casino, 3 coin multiplayer,1975
Rowe Jukebox Model: CD-100 Year: March 1990
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Re: A Bally 809-ZZN restoration.
« Reply #333 on: November 10, 2022, 10:10:00 AM »
Ok so I got some wiring done......

From the upper cabinet #21, I have a photo of the switch.

Now the 41-2 wire is gone from the wiring harness, after the bell in the lower cabinet. 

This takes a regular meter.

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Bally Model: V5500 25¢1995
Bally 3 reel model: 1114 $1.00 3 coin multiplier, 1977
Bally 3 reel Model: 1090-29, 25¢, 3 coin multiplier, 1979
Bally 3 reel model: 809-ZZN, 5¢ Mint Hotel and Casino,  5 coin multiplier, 1970
Bally 3 reel Model: 831-4Z 25¢ Frontier Hotel and casino, 3 coin multiplayer,1975
Rowe Jukebox Model: CD-100 Year: March 1990
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Re: A Bally 809-ZZN restoration.
« Reply #334 on: November 10, 2022, 05:52:50 PM »
So in the beginning of the restoration, #3 beau plug was melted. This is the blue wire for the bulbs. I ran a new wire to the fuses, and another wire to the already established blue wire at the bell. I was just recreating the blue wire that burned up.

 I didn't think about it, I was trying to get the little monster just working at the time. Well the upper cabinet lights were working fine until I removed the extra blue wire and the lights went out. Now since the slot machine is functioning, I need to start working on the other items that need repair. So, I am back at making drawings of the electrical wiring, this way I can focus on the task at hand and not get distracted. If something comes up, I make a note of it and come back to it after I'm finished. If not you end up getting nowhere.

So I need to trace the blue wire, that's another one of those wires that are in the top cabinet, the reels, front door, so I'm back at again.  :24:

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Bally Model: V5500 25¢1995
Bally 3 reel model: 1114 $1.00 3 coin multiplier, 1977
Bally 3 reel Model: 1090-29, 25¢, 3 coin multiplier, 1979
Bally 3 reel model: 809-ZZN, 5¢ Mint Hotel and Casino,  5 coin multiplier, 1970
Bally 3 reel Model: 831-4Z 25¢ Frontier Hotel and casino, 3 coin multiplayer,1975
Rowe Jukebox Model: CD-100 Year: March 1990
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Re: A Bally 809-ZZN restoration.
« Reply #335 on: November 11, 2022, 07:37:16 AM »
 :EmoticonHelp4:

Does anyone have any of the plastic insulators, see photo, I have been using up mine replacing the ones that are missing on the slot machine. Please email me at david@wasillalocksmith.com.

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Bally Model: V5500 25¢1995
Bally 3 reel model: 1114 $1.00 3 coin multiplier, 1977
Bally 3 reel Model: 1090-29, 25¢, 3 coin multiplier, 1979
Bally 3 reel model: 809-ZZN, 5¢ Mint Hotel and Casino,  5 coin multiplier, 1970
Bally 3 reel Model: 831-4Z 25¢ Frontier Hotel and casino, 3 coin multiplayer,1975
Rowe Jukebox Model: CD-100 Year: March 1990
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Re: A Bally 809-ZZN restoration.
« Reply #336 on: November 11, 2022, 09:28:11 AM »
the sleeves don't need to go on every wire, just the ones that have a chance of touching wiring on adjacent lugs.  i.e. if you have 3 switches in a stack with double wires on lugs, only the middle one really needs the sleeve.

best bet is measure the ID/OD of one and buy some new vinyl tubing ... it'll be soft and stretchy unlike ones salvaged from 40 year old games.  You could also use shrink tube, but don't shrink it.

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Re: A Bally 809-ZZN restoration.
« Reply #337 on: November 11, 2022, 10:58:41 AM »
Adventure continues: the layout on the blue wire from the upper cabinet, passing the bell blue wire, into the 6 volt fuse, I used a blue wire through the wiring harness. Now the lights work!  :applause:

One less thing on my bucket list of repairs.

The meter bracket, meters are on order. Originally the curved steel meters were used.
Bally Model: V5500 25¢1995
Bally 3 reel model: 1114 $1.00 3 coin multiplier, 1977
Bally 3 reel Model: 1090-29, 25¢, 3 coin multiplier, 1979
Bally 3 reel model: 809-ZZN, 5¢ Mint Hotel and Casino,  5 coin multiplier, 1970
Bally 3 reel Model: 831-4Z 25¢ Frontier Hotel and casino, 3 coin multiplayer,1975
Rowe Jukebox Model: CD-100 Year: March 1990
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Re: A Bally 809-ZZN restoration.
« Reply #338 on: November 11, 2022, 11:01:48 AM »
the sleeves don't need to go on every wire, just the ones that have a chance of touching wiring on adjacent lugs.  i.e. if you have 3 switches in a stack with double wires on lugs, only the middle one really needs the sleeve.

best bet is measure the ID/OD of one and buy some new vinyl tubing ... it'll be soft and stretchy unlike ones salvaged from 40 year old games.  You could also use shrink tube, but don't shrink it.

You know me,  like the old, ugly, dingy, covers.  :24:
Bally Model: V5500 25¢1995
Bally 3 reel model: 1114 $1.00 3 coin multiplier, 1977
Bally 3 reel Model: 1090-29, 25¢, 3 coin multiplier, 1979
Bally 3 reel model: 809-ZZN, 5¢ Mint Hotel and Casino,  5 coin multiplier, 1970
Bally 3 reel Model: 831-4Z 25¢ Frontier Hotel and casino, 3 coin multiplayer,1975
Rowe Jukebox Model: CD-100 Year: March 1990
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Re: A Bally 809-ZZN restoration.
« Reply #339 on: November 11, 2022, 03:53:04 PM »
Good day today, I'm making progress.  :applause:

I have the "Insert coin light, coin accepted light working, I admit a wire was wrong, my bad. Gremlins removed.
The diverter switch at the hopper was shot, replaced it with another one. Now its slicker than snot.
Bally Model: V5500 25¢1995
Bally 3 reel model: 1114 $1.00 3 coin multiplier, 1977
Bally 3 reel Model: 1090-29, 25¢, 3 coin multiplier, 1979
Bally 3 reel model: 809-ZZN, 5¢ Mint Hotel and Casino,  5 coin multiplier, 1970
Bally 3 reel Model: 831-4Z 25¢ Frontier Hotel and casino, 3 coin multiplayer,1975
Rowe Jukebox Model: CD-100 Year: March 1990
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Wasilla Locksmith safe and vault.

 

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