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**Reel Slots** Gaming Machines => Bally Electromechanical => Topic started by: Longoverdue on March 17, 2016, 07:10:32 PM
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Hi Everyone, I was wondering if someone had an idea why all steps and combinations pay correctly except the 3 BARS.? It may be a broken wire..but I haven't ran into it yet?
Thanks Longoverdue
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Long:
I had the same problem with my 1090 about 5 years ago. At the advice of an Ace Mechanic I examined the wiper fingers on the back of the reel bundle. Turns out that at least one set of finger were not making good contact. After some careful alignment, cleaning with a 3m pad, and slight finger bending I have never had the problem again.
My advice is free and worth every penny
Ra
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Ra.. Thanks for the kind word. :thank_you:
Question.. Do the BARS pay anything? It could be the same problem like Ra machine, where you have a wiper contact worn, or bent just enough so that it's not contacting the board. The other problem could be on the payout unit. You have the same type of wipers. I'm guessing your Bars pay 100..
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Yes. You are correct. Bars pay 100. I added all of the challenges that could face the wipers that I would look at BEFORE I stared pulling on 40 year old wires. I also had success in my own case by messing with the wipers.
Ra
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does the machine pay on fruit/bars?
If reel wipers look ok, then check your outboard pay wiper on the paydisc.
You can meter it to the (F)eed tab on the board and if you get continuity, then it's probably good;.
Look for broken 100 pay wire to hopper board (81 wire?) black red, or a broken jumper behind the payboard, but you can meter those to check quickly.
How about a picture of the award card and pays?
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I am not familiar with 1090 but had the same problem with a model 962. See post (still on 1st page) 962 no 100 coin pays for bars. All other pays were good. Guys here are great with helping out.
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Yes all fruit pays..the BARS is the only pay line that doesn't pay ..picture attached.
I checked wipers for alignment ..but didnt have my continuity tester yesterday. .so will check that today. Thank you
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Well.. I guess I cannot get my picture to attach but I have a picture of it in my profile ..
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Paying for BARS on this machine is ...
1st coin 50. 2nd is 100. And 3rd is 150
one other thing I have just realized..
it pays "Orange-Orange-Bar" AND "BAR-Orange-Orange"
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I am guessing old Reno is right your outboard wiper is there any on the pay board
if you need me to post some pictures of what I'm talking about just ask I will be glad to go up to the shop grab a hopper and show you
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When you said orange orange bar & bar orange orange, that what my machine was. My was the third reel wipers contact. It looked like it was touching, but not enough to make a good contact
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yes Gary you are right too it can very well be wipers the first thing I do when I get a machine in the shop I tear down the real I clean it I tear down the hopper I clean it then I put a coin in
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Jon, I think I would need a picture if you don't mind..I am kinda a visual guy ..
I am thinking that the 1st and 3rd BAR must be making contact , because they never mis-pay when they are combined with the Oranges ..
Thanks again guys !
Longoverdue
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there is two outboard wipers this is one of them if you go from the 50 Terminal to the F terminal it should show a dead short zero resistance they easily get dirty and do not function I take the entire thing apart and clean every bit of it with a red 3M pad
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Set up 3 bars, then meter across the wiper contacts. Should have continuity from the 90 wire located near the top of the third reel wiper board all the way across to the 1st reel. From there to the payout step up unit.
The only suspect would be the center bar as it pays L To R and R to L on two orange / bar payoutS. You might want to try the other fruit / bells-bar set up just to confirm. Then onto the payout step up for continuity. Looking closely at the 3 bars payout contacts and corresponding strips.
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I did find a Red with an Orange tracer, (17) on the #1 wiper that is loose..
It looks like it may belong on the 4th or 5th post on the top row (counting from the rear) can someone tell me where that is soldered to please.
Is there a wire schematic for the 1090 someplace in our archives or one that I could buy from someone?
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Photos of 1090 wipers
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I did find a Red with an Orange tracer, (17) on the #1 wiper that is loose..
It looks like it may belong on the 4th or 5th post on the top row (counting from the rear) can someone tell me where that is soldered to please.
Is there a wire schematic for the 1090 someplace in our archives or one that I could buy from someone?
Post a picture of your find.. The loose wire should have bends or memory, and it should almost tell you where it belongs.
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As Amechanic says, look for wire memory. Obviously it won't go to a connection that the wire won't reach to (normally)
You should look carefully for a spot where it looks as tho someone had soldered onto but has no wire attached.
Also you should look for a jumper from the connection down to the wiper board buttons. Each wire going to the reel boards has a jumper going down to the buttons.
The top area of solder posts is put there for the connections between the button leads and the wire connects.
In other words, it would be far far too hard to wire these connecting wires which go between the reel boards directly to the buttons.
Look for a jumper from a button to a connection that has no wire leaving to another reel.
Hope that makes sense, but I don't quite know how else to put it this morning.
Gotta run.
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Each post has a single wire, and a jumper the last post on right has no wire and no jumper.. so this loose wire must double up on one.
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That is one big mess. Wires going every where.. My best guess is that it came off one if the top three to the right on the pic. The way the wires sitting, it looks like it was on the top, third from the right.. I wouldn't count out the top right empty connection just because it has solder on it and no wire?
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Amen to that brother! Dang bird nest with pretty shabby soldered connections... I am alittle shocked it works as well as it does...
I will keep at it..and keep u in the loop.
Thanks
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Wire appears to be red orange. Trace it back a few inches and check the color. Could be the red yellow wire used for cherries on some machines on the first solder post, in some cases have no jumper below.
Set up the Cherries and meter across the boards to see what you get. If it's open, jumper connect the wire in question and test again.
Looks like someone put their own spin on the wiring!
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At this point I would trust wires colors. It looks like its possible been converted?
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Would like to see the wiring on the other two wiper boards. Post photos if possible.
Thank you
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:agreepost: That's a good idea.. Since this machine pays R-L & L-R then you would think the outer two wiper boards might be wired the same. :cool_thumb_up:
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David:
Not to get off track, but I will, I LOVE that CASINO sign over your games. Does it change colors? Where did you get it? How much? The Buy S Pay slot machine is great also.
Now back on track... I will look through the schematics that I have to see if I have a game specific one that will help. Like it was stated before if a lot of custom work was done diagrams may not be helpful 100 percent but its worth a shot.
Ra
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Haven't seen a 1090 in a long time. since it's a 3 coin multiplier does it have a relay for the 100 bar payout? the reason I ask, I looked to see if I had any schematics, couldn't find any for the 1090, did have one for the 809, which is a 5 coin multiplier, it shows the payout for the 100 pad on the payout disc (81) wire going to the coin count up disc and then onto a set of relay contacts that had three sets of contacts associated with it, all three are for bar payouts. so the 90 wire makes it through the wiper feelers out of the wiper as a 46 wire to the relay contact through the relay, over to the coin count up disc, through it and over to the 100 pad on the coin payout disc. Could the 1090 have similar circuits as the 809?
Jim
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I just found a min. to post these other 2 wiper boards. Still have not found the sweet spot.
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Haven't seen a 1090 in a long time. since it's a 3 coin multiplier does it have a relay for the 100 bar payout?
Jim
That is a good question Jim..I don't know the answer to that. I will try and find out if there is a relay for the 100 BAR payout.
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This is where the other end of that loose wire (Red/w Orange Tracer) ends up leaving the Reel assembly.
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I'll check out the location to and from that pin you pointed out first chance I get on the 1090.
Also might want to get a bright light and head gear magnifiers out and chech all solder joints on the wiper boards See photo attached.
The basic problem was no pay on 3 bars, I've kind of lost track along the way.
If so everything else pays correctly?
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Thanks DavidLee,
Yes it is just the 3 BAR payout ..all others work accurately.
Thanks again for you insight.
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I need for someone to teach me how to make those jazzy circles and arrows when pictures are posted.
As far as the no pay bars I still bet the solution can be found in one of my previous suggestions. Additionally, on my 873 games there is a stack of switches on the back of the reel bundle labeled bars. Not sure if its the same on a 1090.
Ra
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Traced the beau plug pin in question both ways. The red/yellow 13 wire runs across all cherry contacts on the reel wipers and terminates at the
payout step up unit. On the 1090 in my shop, this wire is located on the far right second solder joint down on all 3 wiper boards. Circled the 90 wire gray as its the common among this circuit.
Set up 3 bars meter across for continuity, from the 90 wire you should have continuity all the way to the payout step up unit 50 solder lug.
When the unit steps on to the 50, I believe there will be continuity to the (F) lug feed. If this is correct 3 bars should pay.
Personally, if the wipers meter OK, I would test from the last bar out to the beau plug, Beau Plug male to female connection. Then beau plug to step up and 50 payout to the feed. Paying close attention to the 50 payout contacts.
Pretty sure this is an accurate account, but always open for corrections and insight.
Also including photo of Beau Plug Pliers and test probe / plug insert. The probe is an exaggerated for testing. I only put a slight bit of distortion on a actual pin.