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**Reel Slots** Gaming Machines => IGT S and S-plus Reel Games => Topic started by: Jules on March 14, 2015, 06:23:02 PM
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Now when I turn on my machine I get the 3300 error or hopper empty message and it also says 1 coin inserted
I have emptied and shook the hopper tray out 2 or 3 times and the same thing happens on start up. If I push the self test button 1 time the reels spin
and the hopper motor comes on even though the symbols don't match. Usually it does not spit out coins.
Suggestions anyone? :Please_Post_Pictures_2clr:
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From the other thread:
As you know 3300 means hopper low. It throws up this error when the hopper runs for a certain time without spitting out a coin. Make sure you have the right coin wheel, shelf wheel, the pinwheel is not worn out, and the knife is aligned property. What denomination coins are in your hopper? There is a self test option to have it pay out 10 coins so you can watch and see what is happening with the door open.
See this thread on the old archive that may help
http://newlifegames.net/nlg/index.php?topic=4039.0 (http://newlifegames.net/nlg/index.php?topic=4039.0)
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Thanks for the help. I think the equipment is right as it was set on quarters when I got it but of course I could be wrong. It is a two quarter machine and I did not press the cash out button. I am not sure what the knife is or how to adjust it. The door to the best of my knowledge is closed tightly.
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Thanks for the help. I think the equipment is right as it was set on quarters when I got it but of course I could be wrong. It is a two quarter machine and I did not press the cash out button. I am not sure what the knife is or how to adjust it. The door to the best of my knowledge is closed tightly.
See the thread I linked to. There are a few pictures.
Just because it is a quarter machine now, does not mean it always was, and the previous owner may not have changed the hopper parts.
The 3300 will return until cleared. Opening and closing the door should make the hopper try again. But it needs to be spitting out the coins within the alloted time or the error will return.
FYI, normally if one drops more coins in the slot than the machine is set to take (i.e. 4 coins when it's a 3 coin machine) the extra coin will drop to the tray. However, if one drops coins in too fast, or if the coin comparator rake has been wired open, any extra coins go into the hopper, then the machine will try to pay the excess out of the hopper. If it can't, you get the 3300
Best thing to do is run the coin output test and see what happens.
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I know this is old hat but check the slider behind the knife for a coin stuck underneath. Is the switch that counts coins out stuck down? The coin comparitor inserted all the way and looks like it's aligned? I know all this sounds dumb but electronics do weird things when they are all connected. One little thing can result in lots of strange errors. Also didn't you say the battery was changed recently? Check the MPU for acid damage that can cause problems that don't make sense. Trying to look for easy problems.
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Could anyone tell me where I can find a picture of the slider and knife in the hopper and the switch that counts coins out. How is this adjusted? No battery acid on the board. Not sure I know how to run the coin output? I know I sound really ignorant, but I really am when it comes to slot machines. I did try a different cpu board and got the same thing.
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Sorry, but I do know what the knife looks like.
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Let's back up just a bit. You said you power up the game and get 3300 correct? If you open and close the door, what happens? Does the hopper run again?
With the power off, pull the hopper out. Push in the brake (labeled pawl release) so you can manually turn the wheel. The second picture shows what a proper quarter wheel and shelf should look like (note the position of the quarter). One arrow points to the knife. The coins should ride up that knife and out the hopper (second arrow). Sometimes a coin gets stuck behind the knife causing other coins to drop back into the hopper. With the brake held in, you should be able to turn the hopper wheel and have coins come out the chute. If they aren't you can look and see why not.
I don't know the exact steps for doing the hopper test of the top of my head. I'm sure someone else can chime in with that.
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Having trouble finding the pawl stop on mine. Pictures don't seem to match or maybe it's old age eyesight?
Also here is a pic of my shelf.
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You definitely need a new agitator. The black rubber star in the center should have pointed (well, semi-pointed anyway) ends, yours are broke off. Could VERY well be why you are getting an error. The hopper is turning, but not moving the coins as it should. Any hesitation and the hopper will think its empty.
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Is this hard to replace? By that do I need to take alot of things apart to do this? Thanks!
Another stupid question and I am sorry if there is a better place to post this, but I have posted dozens of messages on here as many of you know and am wondering how you can remove some of the old ones? I read that there is suppose to be a remove button somewhere on the posts, but I am not finding it? Also can you remove posts on locked threads? Again I'm sorry about the placement of this, but I am very new here.
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Agitator is replaced by removing the black bucket (4 screws) and then the agitator/star itself is just 3 screws. The agitator runs about $10-12.
Don't worry about the extra posts, the admin (Darell/slots4home) will remove any that are unnecessary). No worries...
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The agitator is easy to replace, and while you should replace it, I don't think it's the sole cause of your 3300 error.
3300 is a "hopper empty" error. What the machine is really saying is, "I've been turning the hopper and it should be spitting coins out, but I haven't detected that a coin has exited the machine in the past 10 seconds or so. As such, the hopper must be empty."
In your case, the hopper clearly wasn't empty, but at the same time, coins aren't exiting either.
Yes, the agitator is necessary to help keep the coins moving around as the hopper wheel turns, but typical behavior of a broken/worn agitator is that the machine will spit out 20 or so coins, then give a "hopper empty" tilt. If you agitate the coins by hand, it'll usually spit out another 20 or so coins before it gives the "hopper empty" tilt again.
The fact that it's not spitting out any coins makes me believe that there's a problem with the knife in your hopper. As the hopper rotates, coins move up from the pinwheel, rest of the shelf wheel, and then get removed from the shelf wheel by the knife as they ride the final few inches past the coin-out optics (so the machine knows the coin is exiting the machine), and then they fall into the tray. If the knife is worn or not lined up correctly, the coins can either slide behind the knife or otherwise fail to get picked up by the knife, causing them to just spin in a circle in the hopper and not exit the hopper, causing the machine to think that the hopper is empty.
You don't need hundreds of coins in there, especially for testing. A small handful should work fine.
Your best bet would be to operate the hopper by hand with it outside of the machine to see exactly why the coins in there aren't exiting. Once you have that figured out, you'll know what part to fix or replace. Again, my hunch is that your knife is bad, but you can confirm that yourself by operating the hopper by hand with a small handful of coins in there. It would be best to do that rather than just blindly throwing parts at it.
There are many threads here (and on the old site (http://newlifegames.net/nlg/index.php?board=60.0)) about hoppers, including problems with hoppers not spitting out coins when they should. Dig through the other posts and you'll find several helpful posts and some videos that show exactly how the hopper works so you'll know what to be looking for.
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Having trouble finding the pawl stop on mine. Pictures don't seem to match or maybe it's old age eyesight?
I still would like to know if the hopper is actually running before throwing up the 3300 (i.e. open and close the door does it run again before giving the error). If the hopper is not turning, it's also going to error out, which means there is something else going on.
Here is your picture. Just push that "arm" in the direction of the arrow (and hold it in) to release the brake to turn the coin wheel by hand. There is a gear reduction mechanism, so it will not be really easy to turn. It's usually easiest to grab the agitator to do that, but yours seems worn out.
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Thanks! for the many great comments and your time in doing so. Yes the hopper is running after I open and close the door before displaying the 3300 error message. Being all thumbs with things how much does a replacement hopper run? I guess I would almost rather buy a replacement rather than mess with buying parts and adjusting it.
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Thanks! for the many great comments and your time in doing so. Yes the hopper is running after I open and close the door before displaying the 3300 error message. Being all thumbs with things how much does a replacement hopper run? I guess I would almost rather buy a replacement rather than mess with buying parts and adjusting it.
Ok, that is good that it is running. You could buy another one, but there really is not much to these. As noted it could be as simple as a coin stuck under the knife. Or the knife has moved out of alignment.
With the hopper out, there are 4 screws holding the black bowl to the unit. You will need a long Phillips screwdriver to remove it. They are the four screws with the springs. Once you have the bowl off, it will be easy to see what is going on. Plus you can then post pictures and people can tell you exactly what to do.
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When I turn the wheel it appears that they slide right under the knife??? and nothing falls out. Agitator does look shot! Hopefully this pic will help. Also where does the small part shown separately go?
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Very proud of you taking it apart. Good Job. Yes the knife is letting the coins go under it. There are 2 screws to the left of it you can loosen to adjust. It should ride flat on the wheel and bump against the raised part. Sometimes these get worn and won't sit flat. I have heated them with a heat gun and bent them slightly or you can get a new quarter knife. The metal part you have pictured fastens to the bowl to keep coins from overflowing out of the bowl. Not really needed unless you have a thousand coins in hopper. If you try the heat don't put the bowl back. Turn the hopper by hand to watch the coin come around and exit the chute. You may have to mess with it several times to get it right. Your on your way to being a slot tech.
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Did I understand you to say the knife needs to be closer to the wheel so the quarters can't slide under it?
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Yes it needs to be flat against the wheel with the point touching the raised part the thickness of the quarter so the quarter can't slip behind it.
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Very proud of you taking it apart. Good Job. Yes the knife is letting the coins go under it. There are 2 screws to the left of it you can loosen to adjust. It should ride flat on the wheel and bump against the raised part. Sometimes these get worn and won't sit flat. I have heated them with a heat gun and bent them slightly or you can get a new quarter knife.
Yep, good job with him taking it apart and finding the problem. :applause: I also agree with being able to bend it back by heating. Worse case it should be fixed long enough to order a new knife and a new agitator.
After looking at the picture again, it looks like the knife may have just slipped down over the shelf plate. The tip should be just above the rim of the shelf plate as seen here. You can adjust it with those two phillips screws. Make sure there is not a coin wedged up in there someplace.
Here is a knife for under $5 shipped (you want the one for small coins)
http://www.ebay.com/itm/Coin-Knife-IGT-58506400-/121591349070 (http://www.ebay.com/itm/Coin-Knife-IGT-58506400-/121591349070)
And an agitator for about $13
http://www.ebay.com/itm/IGT-SLOT-MACHINE-Hopper-3-Star-Agitator-/151543226258 (http://www.ebay.com/itm/IGT-SLOT-MACHINE-Hopper-3-Star-Agitator-/151543226258)
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Thanks! I did order another agitator and a knife. I tried several times and could not get the knife close enough to the wheel to make the coins exit. I could of course get it to work by using my hand and applying pressure to the knife to get it closer to the wheel and when I did this it did release the coins.
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Thanks! I did order another agitator and a knife. I tried several times and could not get the knife close enough to the wheel to make the coins exit. I could of course get it to work by using my hand and applying pressure to the knife to get it closer to the wheel and when I did this it did release the coins.
Well, while you are waiting for the parts, it can not hurt to try using a heat gun or hair dryer to heat it up and bend it. Take it off first of course. In any case, I'm 99.99% sure this problem will be solved with the new parts.
You can also try to sandwich something (like a piece of tin) between that metal plate that is in front of the knife to apply pressure to the knife like you are doing with your hand.
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The first knife I bent was with a torch. I figured it was not working anyway what would it hurt. Ended up working. Changed it when I got a new one. Now I keep a couple on hand.
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At last! Took a heat gun to the knife and was able to bend it just enough to cause the coins to go out the coin chute. The machine now plays and everything works with a few quirks! This is a Five Pays, Double Spin two quarter machine. Played over 100 plays and payouts seemed mostly correct except it paid out 2 coins on the following read outs:
7 , 2 bars, 1bar
2 bars, 1 bar, blank
2 bars, blank, 1 bar
2 bars, 2 bars, 1 bar
2 bars, blank, blank
Also, how do you make the credits stay on the machine instead of spitting out coins each time?
The maximum 2 credit button I some times have to hit several times to work
The bet one credit button does not appear to work at all.
I am guessing I just need to check the switch connections on these, but I have not taken the time to do so.
Last of all, my glass says Double Spin Fives Machine. Isn't the third reel suppose to spin to improve the winnings once in a while on this machine? I have not seen that so I am guessing it may be the wrong glass?
Any way, THANKS! to all as I am very happy that I can now play this machine with for the most part success. Many, Many thanks! to all who had the patience to help me out with this.
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You got a real Frankenstein for your first machine. First off your SS7205 in not for double spin 5. Second, I see you had a SP1271 in your board. Why did you change it to SP709? Here are instructions to set options so wins go to credit. All setting changes require 0 credits on the machine before entering setup mode.
•With the machine turned on and in idle mode, open the door press the white test button 2 times
•You should see "2 n" in the winner paid/credits windows, where n= 0 or 1. Press the spin button until it reads "2 1â€
This enables the spin sounds.
•Turn the jackpot key once. This advances through the setup sub-menu
•You should see "5 n" in the window, where n= 0 to 2. Press the spin button until it reads "5 0"
This will make all wins automatically go to the credit meter. You will not have to turn on the credit button before playing.
•Turn the jackpot key three times.
•You should see "8 n" in the window, where n= 0 to 2. Press the spin button until it reads "8 1"
This will force all bills inserted to go to the credit meter. You will never accidentally end up cashing out your bill.
[ADD 5-30-2011] It turns out that this setting has to be enabled when the dbv is set up using the SET chip. If the SET chip option is
configured as disabled, this option can't be changed and all bills will always go to the tray. If the SET chip option is configured as enabled,
then the option is set here. If enabled, a set chip is NOT required to change this setting.
Thanks Poppo and Stayouttadabunker for this info.
•Turn the jackpot key once
•Press the white test button to "return" to the main menu and advance through it until you get to option group 7
{stop the first time you see a “7†in the Coins-In display}
•Set your hopper and credit limits as follows:
Note: To set these values, turn the jackpot reset key to change the selected (flashing) digit. Press the spin button to increment the
flashing digit.
•[7-1] 0000 Maximum number of credits that will actually cash out from your hopper.
Zero effectively disables the hopper, but you can use a low number to match the number of coins that you have, if you wish.
If you have more credits than the value set here on the meter, pressing cash out will become a hand pay that is cleared with
the key.
•[7-2] 1200 This will cause all single wins of 1201 or more to lock up as a jackpot with lights flashing. Set this between the highest win that you
want to pay out normally and the lowest win that you want to lock up as a jackpot. Jackpot wins cleared with the jp key
"disappear" and are not added to the credit meter (although they are added to the jackpot meter in the bookkeeping menus.)
•[7-3] 9999 All single wins of equal to or less than the value set in [7-2] (1200 or less in this case) will go to the credit meter as long as the final
number of credits is less than 10,000.
•[7-5] 2000 The bill validator will turn off when you have more than 2000 credits. Use any value that you want here.
•[8] 0000 optional. Partial pay on lockups. If you want some of your jackpot or lockup amounts to pay from the hopper, set this
to the number of coins you want to pay out. This number cannot be higher than the hopper limit setting [7-1].
•Press the white test button one final time after making your last setting change to be sure that the changes stick
•Close the door
Until you change your SS chip it will not pay properly. Follow this link to choose a chip #. http://www.newlifegames.net/igtbible/IGT%202CM/Game%20Library%20-%20S-Plus%20-%20Double%20Spin%20Five%20Times%20Pay%20(2%20Coin%20M.htm (http://www.newlifegames.net/igtbible/IGT%202CM/Game%20Library%20-%20S-Plus%20-%20Double%20Spin%20Five%20Times%20Pay%20(2%20Coin%20M.htm)
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No!, I think I have a Frankenstein for an operator?? Wow! To do all of this that you have listed on this page looks like it will take me a month or more. Any way, this is my fault. I sent a picture of the top of my machine to JJ Slots and he said I have a Five Pay Machine. Any way come to find out the bottom glass says Double Spin Five Pay machine. I do think he sent me a 1271 chip though. Trouble is I have 2 chips that are unmarked. I know somewhere I read that to check these you put them in the machine and push the white button 4 times? I have 2 boards. The first one has a SP 731 and a SS 6248 reel chip in it. The second board has a SP 709 and a SS 6247 reel chip in it. I also have an SP 810 and a SS 6276 chips that are not currently in a board. i have 2 seperate unmarked chips that are not in any board. This was my fault as I told the slot machine company where I got the board and the chips that are in the two boards that I had a Five Pays Machine and not a Double Spin Five Pays machine.
Are you confused yet? I am. Any way, will any of these chips named work in my machine or what would you suggest doing next besides getting a different operator?
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Another question I have is if I put one of these unmarked chips in either the reel slot or the game chip slot on the board will this hurt anything as I am not sure if the unmarked chips are game or reel chips?
Do I need to do any kind of clear (please say no) before doing some of this? I will wait until I hear back before proceeding.
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If you have a 2 coin Double Spin Five Pay machine and assuming the reel strips are correct, here is a list of game chips that will work. Note: Verify the pay tables match your glass.
http://www.newlifegames.net/igtbible/IGT%202CM/Game%20Library%20-%20S-Plus%20-%20Double%20Spin%20Five%20Times%20Pay%20(2%20Coin%20M.htm (http://www.newlifegames.net/igtbible/IGT%202CM/Game%20Library%20-%20S-Plus%20-%20Double%20Spin%20Five%20Times%20Pay%20(2%20Coin%20M.htm)
As for the unmarked chips, it will not hurt the board to put them in the the wrong sockets (provided they are not inserted upside down). However, it is possible it can corrupt the CMOS or EEPROM and require a clear. It's also possible one of those chips is a clear chip, so.......
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Jules, those steps I gave you are less the 3 minutes to do. If you want to call me we'll do those real quick. I wouldn't mess with those unmarked chips for fear of not knowing. As far as your SS chip we need to figure which reel strips you have in there. 5X or Double 5X. Line up all 3 reels at their starting point and turn them together to see if all 3 are the same. What do your strips say? 5X or double 5X? Your getting close.
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Unfortunately the 1271 if I even have it is one of the unmarked chips. Not sure if this is a Five Pay or Double Five Pay? The reels have only the 5s with the circle around them where the outside glass seems to indicate otherwise??
Maybe it's the reel strips are wrong??
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According to my list the reel strips for that game are 84859700, 84859700, 84604600 which means the first two strips are the same and the third one is different. Maybe someone else can confirm, but I think you may have the wrong strips for the glass. And you may also have the wrong reel chip too. Getting the right reel chip is the easy part. But if you have the wrong strips or glass, you need to decide which way to go. Or perhaps just get a totally different kit (glass, strips and chip).
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I forgot to mention the first reel is different from the middle and end reel. The middle and end reels match all the way around. The first reel is different except for one or two spots at the very end starting at the 5's such as the single bars where all three match.
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I forgot to mention the first reel is different from the middle and end reel. The middle and end reels match all the way around. The first reel is different except for one or two spots at the very end starting at the 5's such as the single bars where all three match.
Hmmm... I wonder if reel 1 or 2 & 3 are just swapped. If you look at the link above, you will see in the chart "AAB" which means strips 1 & 2 are the same and strip 3 is different. However, you still may not have the correct strips and /or game chip. You can alway try just swapping basket 1 & 3 and see what happens. The cable just unplugs from under the reel tray and you slide the whole basket out.
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Boy! Am I ever getting an education not that I necessarily wanted it. Looking at my slot reels they are number 1 to 3 from right to left so it only makes sense that they should read 1 to 3 left to right. I have ordered the two Double Spin slot chips from Tim at JJ Slots. I also ordered a 1271 which will give me some flexibility in the two games I hope. Unfortunately I am having total knee replacement this coming Monday so you may not hear a whole lot from me from this point on. If I get around to it I will try to get back on the board when the chips come before Monday. I can't thank such people as (therockinelvis, Texas Mark, Jim, CV slots, Midwest slots, knagl, and many more enough. You have been very patient with me and I really appreciate it. I will get back on here as soon as I am feeling better.
THANKS! MANY TIMES OVER for putting up with my ignorance.
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Best wishes for your surgery and, more importantly, you're recovery Jules! That slot machine will be there whenever you are ready to tackle it again (they are very patient)!!!! You rest up and heal quickly and we will see you back here when you are ready! You've conquered the hard parts, the rest is all gravy!
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Everything I see for 5X 2 coin have all 3 strips the same AAA. The chips you have are for a five times pay with all 3 reel strips being the same. The 6247 is 95% and 6248 is 92%. Good Luck with your surgery. You'll be up and walking Tuesday morning. Then Physical Therapy (everyone best friend). Before you go ordering parts check the numbers on those strips. Will be at the seam, I think you can hold a light behind them and see the numbers. Then you can order a new strip or find a chip that works with those maybe.
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Everything I see for 5X 2 coin have all 3 strips the same AAA.
Except this is a Double Spin 5 Times Pay (at least the glass is) which is AAB
http://www.newlifegames.net/igtbible/IGT%202CM/Game%20Library%20-%20S-Plus%20-%20Double%20Spin%20Five%20Times%20Pay%20(2%20Coin%20M.htm (http://www.newlifegames.net/igtbible/IGT%202CM/Game%20Library%20-%20S-Plus%20-%20Double%20Spin%20Five%20Times%20Pay%20(2%20Coin%20M.htm)
IMO, the first thing to do is to make sure the strips and glass to match. Finding the right reel chip is the easy part. And seeing how he has two identical strips and one different, but the reels are in the wrong order, may indicate he has the correct strips.
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My mistake. I thought the strips would say double spin. Scratch what I said and go with Poppo
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My mistake. I thought the strips would say double spin. Scratch what I said and go with Poppo
Maybe they should. That is part of the problem. Not sure if those are actually the right ones either.
For the Double Spin 5X pay, the PAR shows this for the strip layout
Line # 1 ~~ ~~ ~~
Line # 2 3B 3B 2B
Line # 3 ~~ ~~ ~~
Line # 4 R7 R7 FS
Line # 5 ~~ ~~ ~~
Line # 6 1B 1B 1B
Line # 7 ~~ ~~ ~~
Line # 8 2B 2B 2B
Line # 9 ~~ ~~ ~~
Line # 10 FS FS 7B
Line # 11 ~~ ~~ ~~
Line # 12 1B 1B 3B
Line # 13 ~~ ~~ ~~
Line # 14 7B 7B 1B
Line # 15 ~~ ~~ ~~
Line # 16 3B 3B R7
Line # 17 ~~ ~~ ~~
Line # 18 CH CH 2B
Line # 19 ~~ ~~ ~~
Line # 20 2B 2B 3B
Line # 21 ~~ ~~ ~~
Line # 22 1B 1B 1B
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Like I said earlier. That machine is a Frankenstein. A bunch of mismatched parts. It's a wonder Jules didn't give up on it. Lots of challenges for us too.
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the only way to determine what strips he has is too compare the numbers or the symbols, I'm thinking the strips are the right ones, worst case , in the wrong position, but that's easy to figure out using test #4.
He needs the right SS chip for this game, and he also needs a special SP chip for this game. He needs a TYPE 20 SP chip. This game will spin and give you an outcome, if the first and second reels have a potential winning combo and the third reels does not, then the third reel will spin again and try to match and give you a winning combo. it also plays a little tune during that re-spin, I think it's "were in the money" I don't have a list of SP chips that will run a type 20 game or I would have suggested one.
Good luck with your surgery, we will get this thing running.
Jim
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Now that sounds wicked cool for a S+. Kind of like Money Storm and Haywire then?
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He needs a TYPE 20 SP chip. This game will spin and give you an outcome, if the first and second reels have a potential winning combo and the third reels does not, then the third reel will spin again and try to match and give you a winning combo. it also plays a little tune during that re-spin, I think it's "were in the money" I don't have a list of SP chips that will run a type 20 game or I would have suggested one.
According to my list (which may not be complete or totally accurate), the following are type 20
SP810
SP1077
SP1228
SP1249
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Thanks!
TJJ slots said the strips for both games are the same.
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Thanks!
TJJ slots said the strips for both games are the same.
For which games?
It's really important to know the exact name of games as there are some that are similar, but use different strips (and different SS chips).
FYI , there are several places to determine what strips are needed. The first is the "bible" which I linked to above. It will show the glass, the SS chips needed and whether or not the strips are identical for all three reels or different (i.e. AAA, AAB, ABC). Next, one can look at the PAR sheet for a specific SS chip. In this case, I used the one for SS0317 (referenced in the bible) and posted the strip layout above. And as you can see, it matches that the 3rd strip is different.
However, for Double 5x Pay, the bible lists all 3 strips the same (AAA) and the PAR sheet for one of those SS chips confirms that all three strips are the same.
So I do not know what games TJJ slots was referring to, but the strips are not the same between 2 coin Double Spin 5x Pay, and 2 coin Double 5x Pay
The bottom line is unless you have the proper matching glass, strips, and correct SP/SS chips, payouts are going to be all screwed up.
So what I would do, is swap reels 1 & 3 since they are most likely backwards. Then using that symbol list I posted earlier, see if the symbols match up (be sure you start with all 3 reels in the same spot, i.e., where the seam is) and see if they match the list. If so, then all you need is the right chips.
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Thanks. That info is very helpful. Tim was referring to a Five Pay and a Double Spin Five Pay.
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look at the reel strips, where they come together, lift that seam and read the numbers, that will tell you what strips you have. then we could figure out the rest.
Jim
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look at the reel strips, where they come together, lift that seam and read the numbers, that will tell you what strips you have. then we could figure out the rest.
Jim
That will work, but I always try to do that as a last resort. Some of the older strips can get messed up depending on age and what the last owner did (I've seen some glued together).
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TJJ slots said the strips for both games are the same.
Tim was referring to a Five Pay and a Double Spin Five Pay.
So I do not know what games TJJ slots was referring to, but the strips are not the same between 2 coin Double Spin 5x Pay, and 2 coin Double 5x Pay
Mark is right on the money here. A standard Five Times Pay game uses the same strips for all three reels. There's also a game called "Double Five Times Pay" which also uses the same strips for all three reels. However, the "Double Spin Five Times Pay" game is a different beast, and uses reel strips in an "A-A-B" configuration -- that is, the first two reels are identical, and the third reel is different.
Based on the picture you provided in Reply #30 (http://newlifegames.com/nlg/index.php?topic=5744.msg30943#msg30943), you have a 2-coin Double Spin Five Times Pay (http://newlifegames.net/igtbible/IGT%202CM/Game%20Library%20-%20S-Plus%20-%20Double%20Spin%20Five%20Times%20Pay%20(2%20Coin%20M.htm) kit in your machine.
As Mark suggested, compare your reel strips to the ones he posted in Reply #39 (http://newlifegames.com/nlg/index.php?topic=5744.msg30986#msg30986). If the symbols of two of your strips match the first two reels, and your "odd" strip matches the third reel in his diagram, you're just about in business. Place the "odd" reel in the 3rd reel position (regardless of what the label on the physical reel says), and once you have the correct SP and SS chips, you'll have the correct payouts and the "double spin" feature on the third reel when the reels stop and the payout could be improved without risking losing anything by spinning the third reel one more time.
Now that sounds wicked cool for a S+. Kind of like Money Storm and Haywire then?
Not exactly. As I mentioned in the previous paragraph, the "double spin" feature kicks in when the first two reels line up for a potential win, and the third reel does not. The third reel only will spin one more time to attempt to improve the result. The third reel will ONLY spin if it can potentially improve the payout for the first spin, AND it won't risk losing a win that it already generated. Some examples:
Triple Bar, Triple Bar, Single Bar -- reel 3 will NOT re-spin since it could land on a blank and negate the mixed bar win
Triple Bar, Red 7, Triple Bar -- reel 3 will NOT re-spin since it cannot improve the result (zero)
Triple Bar, Triple Bar, Blank - reel 3 will re-spin as the outcome can be improved without risk of losing anything
Triple Bar, Single Bar, Red 7 - reel 3 will re-spin as the outcome can be improved without risk of losing anything
Cherry, Blank, Red 7 - reel 3 will re-spin as the outcome can be improved (a 5x Pay symbol will improve the cherry payout) without risk of losing anything
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WOW, thanks for all that information. This will be in my mind forever. Hope to come across one of these in the future. I would have been flipping had I got one to repair and seeing that third reel do it's thing. It sounds like JULES got a headache and a really COOL machine too.
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The reel strip without a cherry on it goes on reel 3.
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WOW, thanks for all that information. This will be in my mind forever. Hope to come across one of these in the future. I would have been flipping had I got one to repair and seeing that third reel do it's thing. It sounds like JULES got a headache and a really COOL machine too.
I have a 3 coin chop top award glass and reel strips. Not sure where the belly glass is.
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I now have my reels numbered left to right 1 to 3 instead of right to left 1 to 3 and the reel without the cherry is on the far right. Now when I get the right chips and the replacement knife and agitator I should be in business.
Thanks! for all the kind comments.
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Try to do a video of it. I would like to see it in action.
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Me too. It sounds like a fun game.
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I now have my reels numbered left to right 1 to 3 instead of right to left 1 to 3 and the reel without the cherry is on the far right.
There you go -- that's the correct configuration anyway.
Reel 1, Reel 2, Reel 3 (in that order)