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Re: How to use a PE+ wingboard
« Reply #20 on: February 26, 2022, 01:08:33 PM »
No it's a smaller 20pin chip at U43.  It's usually (but not always) matches the CG chip numbers as a set.  Do you have an EPROM programmer?  I can send you the files or a MAME site link to download them from.


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Re: How to use a PE+ wingboard
« Reply #21 on: February 26, 2022, 01:34:59 PM »
Got it, this is really an educational process.

I need - 1 XMP00017, 1 set (MRO/MGO/MBO/MXO) CG2298 (I have also read that cg2426 and cg2451 work as alternates), and CAPX2298

I need to replace 6 chips to get there.  Is this correct? 

What is downloadable and how do i move that from my computer to the chip?

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Re: How to use a PE+ wingboard
« Reply #22 on: February 26, 2022, 01:46:16 PM »
Yes, and then games you want to install too.  Here's a link to a set from a MAME site that has a set and 5 games with it too.  You can burn all of them except for the CAPX chip with pretty much any EPROM programmer.  You can try it with your CAPX chip and see what happens.  It just contains the color information, so if it's not compatible your colors will be off is all.

https://wowroms.com/en/roms/mame-0.139u1/players-edge-plus-xmp00017-5-in-1-wingboard-cg2298/6008.html


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Re: How to use a PE+ wingboard
« Reply #23 on: February 26, 2022, 03:02:57 PM »
Downloaded successfully, need to find someone to burn it and need to take a look at the games.  THX

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Re: How to use a PE+ wingboard
« Reply #24 on: February 26, 2022, 10:08:59 PM »
?  Can I run any of these game programs on my windows 10, if I download one of the MAME emulators?  That would be a nice test drive.

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Re: How to use a PE+ wingboard
« Reply #25 on: February 27, 2022, 03:06:44 AM »
Yes, you can run the PE+ games in MAME. Please visit the MAME section of the site (here) for posts about that, and create a new topic there if you need help getting it up and running since that's outside the scope of this section of the site.

As far as your wingboard in your real PE+ machine, I'd like to direct your attention to the pinned post here in the PE+ section if you haven't already seen it, which lists known compatible chips. Specifically, in addition to the XMP00017 that was already mentioned, another member reported success using XMP00030 on his machine, along with graphics chips CG2298. Click here for a direct link to the how-to guide.
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Re: How to use a PE+ wingboard
« Reply #26 on: March 08, 2022, 07:27:54 AM »
Failed!  I could only source 5 of 6 chips needed, but I thought I would give it a test.

Removed XP000023 and Installed XPM00017
removed CG2275 (set MRO, MGO, MBO, MXO) and replaced with CG2298
Have not yet found a source for CAPX 2298

initial multi poker board "select game" comes up, but once a game is selected, I cannot see cards, only a few graphics are viewable in each game.  Buttons (hold, bet 1, bet max, etc.) all work - i blindly won a fer hands AND even won "double down".

I am going to post WTB for the CAPX2298.
In the meantime, I am going to return to the original configuration.

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Re: How to use a PE+ wingboard
« Reply #27 on: March 08, 2022, 11:00:28 PM »
Well hang on, you might be close.  The CAP(X) chip just controls the color palette available to the game.  As such, even with the wrong CAP(X) chip installed, most everything should work -- just possibly with some incorrect colors.

This is hitting the edge of the gray matter in my brain, but look on your board and see if you see a jumper labeled E16 or E17.  Move it to the opposite position as to what it's currently jumped to, and see if that makes a difference.  If it doesn't resolve the issue, move the jumper back to where it was so your original game will function correctly.
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Re: How to use a PE+ wingboard
« Reply #28 on: March 09, 2022, 06:51:55 AM »
I finished restoring all original chips and configuration and that was an education, including set chip for BV, CMOS errors, etc.  At this point I have no fear and will try the dip switches to see what happens.  The colors were not an issue.  THX

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Re: How to use a PE+ wingboard
« Reply #29 on: March 09, 2022, 09:38:45 AM »
Tried 2 different wingboards - same results

Moving jumper from 16 to 17 OR removing the jumper produced a white master game screen (pic#2).  Retaining the jumper on 16 worked best.
best results - Joker poker showed a garbled card that I think was the joker (pic #5A)
Game selection screen looked normal (pic #4)
other 4 games showed almost nothing (pic #3)
double up function works

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Re: How to use a PE+ wingboard
« Reply #30 on: March 09, 2022, 12:03:50 PM »
Your problem is with the graphics, change your CapX and your going to be golden.

BrianT created a spreadsheet that aligns what game sets are known to work with what Graphic sets. This goes beyond what is documented as the "right" graphic set.

Non-superboard kits require less memory than a superboard game.
If you are using a non superboard kit you need to move the jumper to restrict the amount of memory addressing so the game will play.
It was possible that in a previous life the jumper was in the wrong spot.......
The other item of note is that with the non-superboard games you don't have a program chip - just the game chip.

To get Blackjack to play on a superboard I had to move the jumper.....
I love the PE+ platform but my biggest criticism is the number of chips I need to replace during a game change.
My solution was just to buy more boards - I have several non-superboards for games like blackjack, and a couple of superboards - One has a Stud game on it, One has a wingboard, and the last is one of the stock multi-game set. Takes me 20secs to swap boards, and 20min to swap chips.

If you load up your wingboard with non-superboard games the advantage is that you widen the number of games that are compatible as you now only need them to be compatible with the graphics chips.  Or mostly compatible....  as many graphics sets will work even if the colors are only slightly off.

The wing board basically injects the "menu" feature which allows you select from the 5 games. It would be unusual for a wingboard to inject video problems you have. Once again get a different capx and you will be golden.







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Re: How to use a PE+ wingboard
« Reply #31 on: March 09, 2022, 12:16:33 PM »
I am having a real problem sourcing a CAPX2298, which from my research is the right CAPX for a wingboard.  I have posted in classifieds without a response.  Is there any sourcing for this chip or a substitute that you know of?  THX.

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Re: How to use a PE+ wingboard
« Reply #32 on: March 09, 2022, 01:01:27 PM »
There is no specific CAPX for a Wingboard.

A game set consists of a Game Chip, Program Chip, and the associated graphics chips which are the MGO,MRO,MYO, MXO and CAPX

The Wing board simply allows you to use 5 different Game Chips - BUT each of the game chips MUST work with a common Program Chip and a common set of graphics.
Which narrows down which games are able to be used as a collection on the wing board.

If you had one game that used a 2252 Capx and another that used a 7787 Capx they could not be used on the wingboard together and using them with 2298 doesn't fix the compatibility issue.
You would need to find 5 games that all run with 2252 or 5 games that all run with 7787 or 5 games that run with 2298.

and in addition to sharing the same CAPX they all must ALSO share the same program chip and MGO,MRO,MYO, MXO as well...

.....its sadly not just any 5 games of your choosing.





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Re: How to use a PE+ wingboard
« Reply #33 on: March 09, 2022, 01:06:14 PM »
You may want to read through this post from BrianT

http://newlifegames.com/nlg/index.php?topic=23114.msg124246#msg124246

There is also a spreadsheet floating around that he created with most of the compatibilities mapped out.
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Re: How to use a PE+ wingboard
« Reply #34 on: March 09, 2022, 01:22:53 PM »
I understand, having done my homework earlier, (including Brian's article) I chose to go with x2298 because of the wide selection on compatible games.  But I can't find a capx2298.  Where should I start looking?  Thx

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Re: How to use a PE+ wingboard
« Reply #35 on: March 09, 2022, 01:27:34 PM »
Have you check with whoever you got the wingboard from?  They may have one.  I'd check with Badbaud, they may have one or be able to make you one?


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Re: How to use a PE+ wingboard
« Reply #36 on: March 09, 2022, 01:48:36 PM »
To that point there are a few CAPX mods people have made.

The easiest is a small socket that fits into the onboard CAPX  socket
Then a larger chip 27C256 socket is mounted on top and the CAPX contents are burned into this chip.

As noted before the chips used for CAPX are not being manufactured anymore, and due to the style most low cost burners can't write them anyways.
But most can read the chips - the contents is then read and burned onto one of the more common 27C256 chips.

The upgrade from this mod is that several CAPX chips are burnt on to one larger chip and then you use a dipswitch to select which one you want to use.
Again the instructions to build these are on the board and as pointed out by TILT some members here may be able to sell you one.





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Re: How to use a PE+ wingboard
« Reply #37 on: March 09, 2022, 02:23:35 PM »
I got the wingboard from Badbaud, and pm'ed him about the X2298, TKX.

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Re: How to use a PE+ wingboard
« Reply #38 on: March 16, 2022, 01:46:00 PM »
AARG!  Got the CAPX2298 installed and NO CHANGE!  I even tried 2 different chips that are CAPX2298, just in case.  Is there a trick to reinitializing to get the right graphics?  Do I need to do a set chip?  I am really disappointed, but I think the answer is here somewhere.

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Re: How to use a PE+ wingboard
« Reply #39 on: March 16, 2022, 02:33:03 PM »
Do you have the right MGO MXO MRO MYO to go with the capx ?
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