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Title: Alpha 2 Thumb Drive install
Post by: Border01 on April 14, 2019, 07:48:16 AM
Having problems installing a USB thumb drive game on my Alpha 2 V22/32. Cf cards load no problem and this is the first USB game I tried to load. Do I have to change a setting to recognize the USB?
Title: Re: Alpha 2 Thumb Drive install
Post by: idesign on April 14, 2019, 08:24:31 AM
You have the logic door switches disabled with the jumper on the CPU.  So USB install can not be done unless you remove the jumper.
Title: Re: Alpha 2 Thumb Drive install
Post by: Border01 on April 14, 2019, 08:32:25 AM
Thanks. How do I remove the jumper?
Title: Re: Alpha 2 Thumb Drive install
Post by: idesign on April 14, 2019, 08:38:59 AM
The jumper is located here, remove it and plug the original wiring back it as it looks in the attached pic
Title: Re: Alpha 2 Thumb Drive install
Post by: Border01 on April 14, 2019, 09:17:02 AM
When this is done can I still load cf based games?
Title: Re: Alpha 2 Thumb Drive install
Post by: Border01 on April 14, 2019, 09:36:22 AM
Do I connect to the micro switch just above the jumper or the yellow and grey wires near the power supply?
Title: Re: Alpha 2 Thumb Drive install
Post by: idesign on April 14, 2019, 09:52:55 AM
You have to undo it to install from CF cards.  Yes, the micro switch must be connected and closed.  Use a piece of tape to closed it temporarily
Title: Re: Alpha 2 Thumb Drive install
Post by: Border01 on April 14, 2019, 09:55:37 AM
Does it matter which way the wires connect from the jumper to micro switch?
Title: Re: Alpha 2 Thumb Drive install
Post by: idesign on April 14, 2019, 09:58:40 AM
One of the yellow/black wires should have a label on it indicating N/O on it.  That one is connected to the top of the switch
Title: Re: Alpha 2 Thumb Drive install
Post by: Border01 on April 14, 2019, 03:14:20 PM
No identification on the wires  Any suggestions?

Title: Re: Alpha 2 Thumb Drive install
Post by: idesign on April 14, 2019, 03:22:24 PM
Plug them in, if that don't work reverse them
Title: Re: Alpha 2 Thumb Drive install
Post by: Border01 on April 14, 2019, 03:23:52 PM
Great Thank you very much for the assistance


James
Title: Re: Alpha 2 Thumb Drive install
Post by: idesign on April 14, 2019, 03:26:38 PM
by the way, the other yellow/black wire goes to the micro switch on the logic door, so hopefully that one is still connected
Title: Re: Alpha 2 Thumb Drive install
Post by: Border01 on April 14, 2019, 04:12:44 PM
I don’t think so. Micro switch had 2 wires at one time I’m presuming to the jumper switch. If a third wire is required I have no idea where it goes
Title: Re: Alpha 2 Thumb Drive install
Post by: idesign on April 14, 2019, 04:22:53 PM
Look at my pic above.  2 yellow/black to the switch, but the 2 pin connector on the board has a yellow/black and a grey.  The other yellow/black from the switch goes to the other switch at the logic door.  Look inside the logic door and you should see a switch on the left with wires connected to it.  Usually when the 2 pin jumper is installed on the board, they just disconnect the switch and leave it that way so the switch at the logic door should still be connected.  All that jumper does is fool the machine into thinking that both of the switches are closed so you can install from a CF card.
Title: Re: Alpha 2 Thumb Drive install
Post by: Border01 on April 14, 2019, 04:35:12 PM
Sorry for my lack of understanding but what is the logic door?
Title: Re: Alpha 2 Thumb Drive install
Post by: idesign on April 14, 2019, 04:50:38 PM
Sorry for my lack of understanding but what is the logic door?
The little door that you insert the CF cards into
Title: Re: Alpha 2 Thumb Drive install
Post by: Border01 on April 14, 2019, 04:55:41 PM
Holly lots of info. I did notice two wires that a cut going towards the logic door one yellow and one gray. I think that’s what you are referring too.
Title: Re: Alpha 2 Thumb Drive install
Post by: idesign on April 14, 2019, 05:08:17 PM
Well,  if removing the jumper don't work then you only other option is to copy what is on the thumb drive to a cf card and load the game from that.
Title: Re: Alpha 2 Thumb Drive install
Post by: coolwavepic on April 15, 2019, 02:30:06 PM
Wouldn't it be easier just to copy the files to a CF card than hassling with the jumpers?
Title: Re: Alpha 2 Thumb Drive install
Post by: Border01 on April 15, 2019, 02:49:07 PM
It's really sounding that way.  I am going to try a new approach tonight that might work.  If it doesn't, than I will transfer to the CF card.
Title: Re: Alpha 2 Thumb Drive install
Post by: Border01 on April 16, 2019, 08:46:46 AM
Idesign would this be the correct wiring procedure?
Title: Re: Alpha 2 Thumb Drive install
Post by: idesign on April 16, 2019, 09:00:28 AM
Looks correct, see pic attached for connection to the switch.  The top yellow/black goes to the jumper connector and the other yellow goes to the logic door switch.
Title: Re: Alpha 2 Thumb Drive install
Post by: Border01 on April 16, 2019, 09:04:23 AM
Thank you.  I appreciate your patience.


James
Title: Re: Alpha 2 Thumb Drive install
Post by: rickhunter on April 16, 2019, 09:57:49 AM
I just cut out the wires that go to the logic door switch, or move the middle wire on the logic door switch to the bottom tab, that way the only switch that matters is the one close to the connector.  I use a thumb twist lock to open/close logic door.  A lot easier than pulling the mpu off and on to install the jumper.

Also a note to consider, if your USB thumb drive was inserted into a windows 10 or mac osx machine, they will write some information on the thumb drive and the installer will not let you install from it because it finds unauthorized content on the drive.  So you need to remove the directories and files that are not supposed to be there (only the .img files are supposed to be in the drive, nothing else).  The only way I know to remove these directories if the usb drive is formatted NTFS is to plug it into a linux environment and remove them that from a shell or cli prompt, windows will not let you remove the "System Volume Information" directory.
Title: Re: Alpha 2 Thumb Drive install
Post by: RVC on April 16, 2019, 07:39:32 PM
I always install from the USB without problems, always says that the folder "System Volume Information" was ignored
only the files in the root directory are considered
Title: Re: Alpha 2 Thumb Drive install
Post by: Border01 on April 17, 2019, 10:07:02 AM
Does the cf door micro switch only have 2 wires?
Title: Re: Alpha 2 Thumb Drive install
Post by: idesign on April 17, 2019, 10:09:45 AM
yes, usually wrapped in black plastic as it goes to the switch so it looks like a single bundle
Title: Re: Alpha 2 Thumb Drive install
Post by: Border01 on April 17, 2019, 10:13:22 AM
Just wanted to confirm.  I will give it a go tonight. 
Title: Re: Alpha 2 Thumb Drive install
Post by: Border01 on April 17, 2019, 05:15:50 PM
Do I need to use the install CF card with the USB Game
Title: Re: Alpha 2 Thumb Drive install
Post by: idesign on April 17, 2019, 05:57:03 PM
Yes, you do.....what game are you trying to install this way?
Title: Re: Alpha 2 Thumb Drive install
Post by: Border01 on April 17, 2019, 06:15:11 PM
Trying to load hot shot twin fire. I removed the original jumper that had the yellow/black and grey wires tied together. Rewired  the machine as per your diagrams taped both micro switches closed and get the same message
Boot splash:status on console 0 changed to off
System halting
Title: Re: Alpha 2 Thumb Drive install
Post by: idesign on April 17, 2019, 06:20:12 PM
Is install card in the top CF slot and USB in the last remaining USB port?
Title: Re: Alpha 2 Thumb Drive install
Post by: Border01 on April 17, 2019, 06:30:17 PM
Yes sir it is. When I rewired it I plugged the jumper back in wired like your picture.
Title: Re: Alpha 2 Thumb Drive install
Post by: idesign on April 18, 2019, 05:34:20 AM
Trying to load hot shot twin fire. I removed the original jumper that had the yellow/black and grey wires tied together. Rewired  the machine as per your diagrams taped both micro switches closed and get the same message
Boot splash:status on console 0 changed to off
System halting
So you get that same message when the original jumper was installed?  Wish you would have provided that info before all this back and forth.  I don't think this has anything to do with the jumper although you still would have to change the wiring to install from a thumb drive.


Put the jumper back in that you removed (yellow/black and grey wired together) and just put an install CF card into the top slot and boot up to confirm that the machine is seeing the card in the top slot.  It should boot up and go to the white screen.  Then try to install a different game from a CF card.  Don't worry about the wiring that you hooked up because the jumper bypasses it all.
Title: Re: Alpha 2 Thumb Drive install
Post by: Border01 on April 18, 2019, 06:44:15 AM
With the jumper in CF cards no problem.
Title: Re: Alpha 2 Thumb Drive install
Post by: idesign on April 18, 2019, 07:12:17 AM
With the jumper in CF cards no problem.
Are you speaking from previous experience or did you just try it?
Title: Re: Alpha 2 Thumb Drive install
Post by: Border01 on April 18, 2019, 07:21:23 AM
Previous experience.  I'll redo it tonight and let you know


James
Title: Re: Alpha 2 Thumb Drive install
Post by: Border01 on April 18, 2019, 05:15:32 PM
Put the jumper back in and loaded game (ZZ top live from Texas) from CF Cards no problem
Title: Re: Alpha 2 Thumb Drive install
Post by: Border01 on April 20, 2019, 04:02:17 PM
Anyone know what I did wrong?
Title: Re: Alpha 2 Thumb Drive install
Post by: idesign on April 20, 2019, 04:29:21 PM
I can’t reproduce the error you are getting. At this point in time I think it would be best to just copy the files from  the thumb drive to a cf card.
Title: Re: Alpha 2 Thumb Drive install
Post by: Border01 on April 20, 2019, 04:40:03 PM
Will do. I have a cf reader arriving on Monday. Hope it works
Title: Re: Alpha 2 Thumb Drive install
Post by: rickhunter on April 21, 2019, 09:05:36 AM
Curios, what BIOS and OS do you have?  Also which version of the install card do you have/
Title: Re: Alpha 2 Thumb Drive install
Post by: Border01 on April 21, 2019, 09:24:05 AM
Bios 231326C
OS366E
Game has: 304611B
                 270585B
                 270586B



Title: Re: Alpha 2 Thumb Drive install
Post by: rickhunter on April 21, 2019, 11:20:49 AM
Oh it's a 2.1 MPU.  Just making sure you have an OS that can recognize a flash drive install.  Also make sure you have no dongles on the system while you try to install.
Title: Re: Alpha 2 Thumb Drive install
Post by: Border01 on April 22, 2019, 01:00:05 PM
I received a Kingston Card Reader today and a SanDisk 16gb compact flash card.  I tried to move the file from the USB to the compact flash card.  One file 101mb transferred no problem, the second file 8.48gb won't transfer, it says file too large for the destination file system.  I copied the usb file to my computer, just to confirm it is only 8.48gb, and the transferred copy confirmed  that it is 8.48gb  My Storage on the CF card specifies 14.9 gb available.  I thought that maybe I needed to format the CF card, did that, but still same error.  What am I missing?
Title: Re: Alpha 2 Thumb Drive install
Post by: rickhunter on April 22, 2019, 01:10:02 PM
You need to re-format the CF card to an NTFS filesystem.
Title: Re: Alpha 2 Thumb Drive install
Post by: Border01 on April 22, 2019, 01:11:48 PM
Thanks
Title: Re: Alpha 2 Thumb Drive install
Post by: Border01 on April 22, 2019, 01:27:02 PM
What allocation file size do I select?
Title: Re: Alpha 2 Thumb Drive install
Post by: rickhunter on April 22, 2019, 01:39:51 PM
Doesn't matter, just pick the default.
Title: Re: Alpha 2 Thumb Drive install
Post by: Border01 on April 22, 2019, 05:10:44 PM
Making some great progress. Cf cards load but I think I need to swap the top and bottom monitors on the mpu?  I don’t know where they are located on the MPU. The screens appear reversed and my 22” monitor display is sideways
Title: Re: Alpha 2 Thumb Drive install
Post by: Border01 on April 23, 2019, 01:25:51 PM
Mpu has the following connections for monitor


Touch screen (primary, secondary)
Monitor (primary, secondary)
Display port video interface (primary,secondary)


What ones get swapped?
Title: Re: Alpha 2 Thumb Drive install
Post by: idesign on April 23, 2019, 02:32:29 PM
Just reverse the 2 connections on the video card.  Then clear and reboot to the setup screen.
Title: Re: Alpha 2 Thumb Drive install
Post by: Border01 on April 23, 2019, 02:35:58 PM
Sorry for my lack of understanding, but which 2 are they? Touch, monitor or display?  I assume the monitor?
Title: Re: Alpha 2 Thumb Drive install
Post by: idesign on April 23, 2019, 02:46:25 PM
The 2 connections on the video card are for the top and bottom monitor.  Not sure which video card you have but it either has 2 or 3 ports.  The top monitor should be connected to the left display port and the bottom monitor would be connected to the right hand display port or the DVI port on the right
Title: Re: Alpha 2 Thumb Drive install
Post by: Border01 on April 24, 2019, 12:07:33 PM
Finally have the game up and fully functioning.  Had to swap all 6 monitor connections.  Thank you very much for all the tremendous assistance.  Never would have been possible without your help

James
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