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**Reel Slots** Gaming Machines => Bally Electromechanical => Topic started by: henko666 on March 12, 2024, 11:45:18 PM
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Hi, After I did some cleaning on my Texas Twin it only pays out the first coin in the jackpot feature, which on this machine is the "flip the coin". It should pay 10,20 or 50. I noticed that the X2 relay don't stay powered on like it should, if I press the relay down manually it pays out the rest of the coins. I assume the problem should be a switch on the payout relay or maybe the pulse switches? All other payouts works like they should.
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I solved it, thou it makes no sense to me why. On the X2 relay I noticed that if I activate one of the switches thou the relay isn't powered on everything works and it pays as it should. So I basically just bent one of the blades so they touch all the time. Pretty sure it wasn't like that before but maybe they were since I was there cleaning a couple of days ago 🙂
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usually the x2 relay is just controlling an x2 stepping/alternator unit so the game either steps the x2 unit or the payout counter unit for each coin ejected.
I don't have schematics for the 1069 or 1063, so dunno if permanently closing a switch would have side effects. The most likely things are something pays double when it shouldn't, or the X2 unit is needlessly stepping.
typically the X2 relay would be powered thru the reel wiper boards. If you have diodes on those, tracing the circuit can get complicated. If you don't have diodes, then you can probably trace the non-orange wire on the X2 unit coil thru the reels and see where it goes.
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I think in this case the x2 is only controlling the super jackpot features, but the different switches has different functions on the relay. I know one of them releases the coin for the jackpot flip for example. This is how I figure it's working. When you get 3 horseshoes the jackpot featature is enabled and the jackpot relay is powered. If you then get a sheriffstar in the middle (you got 10 draws) the x2 relay powers and the coin is released ready for flip. you flip the coin and it hits either 10, 20 or 50 coin payout. The payout starts and should continue until the right amount is payed, meaning the x2 relay should be powered until the payout is done. In my case it pays the first coin and then looses power. So I asume there is some switch or something in the hoppper which should keep the x2 relay powered until the payout is done. Cleaned and checked all the switches yesterday on the hoppper and couldnt find any problem so maybe its somewhere else. On the picture you can see which switch must be powered for the payout to finnish, its the first one one the left back with the grey cables. As you can see i pushed the blades together so they touch all the time, even when the switch is not powered like on the picture. Tested different scenarios and the seems to work without intefering anything else. It could be like you said that when I get a high payout like 100 or 200 on a regular play it would possible payout double. Love the complexity of theese machines :)
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the control of the X2 relay is probably not on the hopper unless the payout relay is on there.
until a schematic can be found, the simplest approach to reverse engineering the game is look at the wire on the X2 relay coil that isn't the orange 70 wire and see where it goes.
if it loops over to a switch blade on the X2 relay, then you really care about the wire color on the mating switch blade since that it likely the "hold" circuit that keeps the relay powered until something else opens.
I assume there's a stepper unit keeping track of the 10 spins your bonus play is active, so it wouldn't be too surprising if one of the switches on that unit was involved - especially a step-up arm switch. When does that unit step (during the windup/kick, at the end of the spin, etc.)?
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Ok had time time to look at this again and I solved it tonight. It was a switch which didn't make contact on the payout relay on the hopper. Cleaned it and the X2 relay stay powered as it should until the Superjackpot payout is done. Thanks for the help Wolftalk you are always helpful!