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**Video Poker, Keno, Slots, 21** Gaming machines => Atronic Games => Topic started by: pkbirchbay on April 02, 2015, 11:59:53 AM
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Just got a video poker machine and I get a Config CRC error. Can't clear it any ideas? All help Please
Thanks
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What model is the machine? Post a pic if you're unsure...
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Model VICL64P
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Sorry, I should have asked what platform it is. Is it an eMotion, Cashline, or ??? I don't think I've seen an Atronic poker machine?
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I don't know how to tell attached some photo's
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front and inside. Soory still learning how to attach
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I think the idplate says-
ATRONIC
SERIAL NO 11023558
MODEL NO VICL64P
DATE OF MANUFACTURE 11-03
115V 60HZ 4 AMPS
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Correct
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I think the idplate says-
ATRONIC
SERIAL NO 11023558
MODEL NO VICL64P
DATE OF MANUFACTURE 11-03
115V 60HZ 4 AMPS
Ok, its a Cashline. We need to establish the platform before we can help, as resolutions are not the same for all Atronic machines (just like they differ for S+ versus S2000). The CL in the model # is an indicator as well as the pics of the inside.
Let me look through some notes and I'll see what CRC Config error is and how to resolve it.
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Ok, I have good and bad news. Good news is there were several instances of the error on the NLG Archive site which gave the resolution. Bad news is that it appears you will need to perform a Clear and Configuration set-up on the machine. Possibly just a Clear, since your machine is not a Progressive (from what I can tell from the glass). Apparently, there are different versions if the Clear chips (for different game), and i am not certain which one you need.
We have done a few Cashlines, but they were Progressives and we needed a dongle to configure them. Lets hope your game does not, as the dongles can be pricey ($200?). Clear chip and Config chips will only be approx $15/each.
Try contacting Blueridge Slots (vendor on the home page here, user name blueridgeslots) as he has been of assistance in the past with the Clear chips and, if necessary, the dongle.
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As far as I know it was never progressive. I am getting a free new game board for the machine. By replacing the board will that fix the problem or will I have to still clear and re config the system. and by the way thanks .
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Well good, maybe the fact it is not a progressive will save you some headache. Whenever you change a game EPROM or install a different game board, you will need to do a Clear and Config. The machine needs to be told "Hey, something (the game or game board has changed), forget about the old one" (This is the Clear.) and then "Here's the new game or game board, and here's the settings for it" (This is the Config). If the memory is not cleared, the machine will still look for the last game that was installed. If it finds anything has been changed (such as game EPROMs or game board), it will give the CRC Config error.
You do not even need a new game board for each game you want to play, you only need the game EPROMs. They can be installed onto the game board you have now. Since the one you are getting is free, then it's no big deal, but it will save you money in the future if you just buy the EPROMs (and matching glass if you want). The EPROMs and glass will be sold as a "Game Kit"...here's a pic of a Game Kit with a Round Top glass, but it gives you an idea of what a Game Kit would look like:
http://www.centralvalleyslots.com/atronic-cashline-phantom-mask-complete-game-kit.html (http://www.centralvalleyslots.com/atronic-cashline-phantom-mask-complete-game-kit.html)
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OK thanks for the info. Would like to change it to a straight jacks or better which they made also. But need to find the clear and config chips first then try to find the game board I would like. Doing the work is easy if you have the parts! don't need the complete kit just the chips. So if you know where point the way Thanks :odie:
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Since you may be sticking around for awhile, a donation would make you a Contributing Member, and then you can post in the classifieds section here? Or you can try some of the vendors, but Ateonic stuff is not the easiest to find. Again, I would start with Blueridge. He may even have the game software you're looking for. I don't know that poker was a real popular Ateonic game family, I personally, have be ever even seen one until you're post.
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I have made contact with whom you said. and will be doing what you said. Thanks
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Any Idea what would cause this in the first place?
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I think someone changed either the game eproms or a board in the machine, or maybe it was caused by a dead battery. If the battery went dead the machines internal memory would have been lost, and now the machine no longer recognizes the game.
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I think someone changed either the game eproms or a board in the machine, or maybe it was caused by a dead battery. If the battery went dead the machines internal memory would have been lost, and now the machine no longer recognizes the game.
yes, I would check battery to make sure it is ok, very easy to do with meter.
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Can check that. But know for a fact the board or chips have not been changed. Thanks
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Where the heck is the battery on this thing? This machine is very clean and look brand new so it has been well taken care of. But can not find the battery where I think it should be. Thanks
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Where the heck is the battery on this thing? This machine is very clean and look brand new so it has been well taken care of. But can not find the battery where I think it should be. Thanks
Post picture of the mpu/cpu board, possibly one of the circuit cards in card cage-
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Found this, can you read what is on your board for part circled below, does it say lithium battery?
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See if these help. Don't know where else to look. As always Thanks
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W1013Y is all I can see on that one. But a battery that has pins like a chip? Give me the old American made video poker machines to work on. these German game makers I am not sure about?
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W1013Y is all I can see on that one. But a battery that has pins like a chip? Give me the old American made video poker machines to work on. these German game makers I am not sure about?
It doesn't look like it's in a socket to me but the photo isn't clear and it is shot from head-on. It might be a combined battery & ram memory in one package and that's why it is in a socket. You'll have to read the part number on it to know what it is. If that's not it then I don't know where it is. You've looked in other places in the machine like backplane, motherboard, wherever for a battery? The battery is usually found on the cpu/mpu board since that is where the battery backed-up ram is located, wouldn't make sense to mpu/cpu remove the board from machine and disconnect a remotely located battery, lose data. [unless the remote battery was connected by wires to the cpu board]
Here is your photo brightened and with my guessing notes. I have never seen an Airtronci machine but this board looks like a cpu board to me since it has the 2 game software chips and there has been security tape across them at one time like casinos do. It is difficult to read or make out detail in the photos. Are you saying the black rectangular part I circled in my photo above has several legs and is inserted into a socket? (the part I'm referring to is below the 2 eprom software sockets). Can you read the word "lithium" on the back of the black rectangular part on your board? You may need to rub off the security tape VOID stuff with a cloth so you can read the writing on the part.
[I brightened your photos so we could more detail]
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yes it is in a socket just like eprom but after looking as close as I can says it contains a lithium cell. . OK this is what it says H990R0313 MA8Z35Y70PC1 zeropower ram contains lithum cell malysia........
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See if you can read better with this photo....Thank :thank_you: you very much
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As a added note this error happened while the game was in play. Also in looking up the company I found the software to work on this machine but it runs in dos. and requires a serial port but it is all in German.
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yes it is in a socket just like eprom but after looking as close as I can says it contains a lithium cell. . OK this is what it says H990R0313 MA8Z35Y70PC1 zeropower ram contains lithum cell malysia........
Yes, that part I'm referring to is a combined ram memory and lithium battery package. It is in a socket for convenient replacement. Here's a picture of a new one and the spec sheet info. If you decide to replace it the part number is the "M48Z35Y-70PC1" number. (you typed "MA8..." but I think you meant "M48...")
I think the 70 refers to 70nsec speed but I haven't read the entire spec sheet yet. There should be a way to measure the battery voltage, maybe on some board test points or maybe on the back of the socket on the correct leads of this part.
I'm not sure your battery is bad, it is just something that is recommended to check when a person gets a machine that's new to them, especially if it is giving an error. Usually it is easier to find & check the dang battery than this. In case you need another one of these cpu boards (or other Airtronic boards) I saw that some of these boards had sold on ebay, one for a surprising small cost.
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W1013Y is all I can see on that one. But a battery that has pins like a chip? Give me the old American made video poker machines to work on. these German game makers I am not sure about?
I think the date code on the part is as shown. Since your ram battery part says "W1013Y" that could mean it was made in 2010, 13th batch. That is just a guess, different companies use different coding methods. The other date codes on your board's chips indicate a date of 2003 or so. *** EDIT - THIS PARAGRAPH IS WRONG, SEE REPLY #31 ***
The spec sheet says the part should last for 10 years, so yours may be still ok. When I read the spec sheet I didn't see a way to check the battery inside this part. On your board there is a green dot QC sticker but I can't read the date, it might give an idea of the board's age.
Anyway, I think you may be back to doing as suggested by cvslots with the CLEAR procedure to see if that takes care of the error. Might want to try that first and you likely need the Clear and Configure chips anyway. If you locate one of these battery ram parts easily then you can replace it and eliminate it as what caused the problem. But if you do replace it don't be surprised if you still need to clear & configure the machine since the new part will not contain any data or machine settings.
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See if you can read better with this photo....Thank :thank_you: you very much
still pretty dark, I lightened it but still not much visibility. Your camera flash is missing the target but I think we know what the part is from the other posts and what you told us is written on the part. If you need to take other photos might try using a lamp or other light to help light the target.
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I did some more checking, I was wrong about the date code on that battery-ram part back in reply #29. That number I thought was the date code is actually the Part Tracing code, the date code is part of that long string of 9 characters on the first line of writing. On your part (see below) it is hard to read in the photo but it looks like it says "0313", which means 2003, batch 13. This makes more sense to me since the other chips on your board also have date codes around 2003. The date code is contained in the last 4 numbers of the top line, in year/batch form. If this is right it means your battery on the board is about 11 to 12 years old. So it is something to consider replacing. And all this is in agreement with the date of manufacture of the machine as listed on the idplate, "11-03".
If you look for one of these parts it is actually called a Non-Volatile Static Ram, or NVSRAM, part number M48Z35Y-70. I saw some on ebay but they looked like older parts. Places like Mouser or Jameco might have them. Supposedly if they are new old-stock (old but never used) then the battery is supposed to still be good, but who knows about that.
Get whatever parts are needed to do the clear & configure procedure and replace this NVSRAM part, hopefully that will get it back to working.
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I am so pleased with all the answers I have gotten on this issue. I have worked on machines for almost 30 years and it never fails to amaze me how little I still know. I will start looking for this part as have already got a lead on the clear and config chips. And have a new game board on the way. I will continue to update as to what I find and how I approach each issue and to all :thank_you: The one item that still troubles me is the fact that this all started while the game was in play?
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I did find 2 NVSRAM got a new one for $6 and Mouser was $14. So will have an extra just in :applause: case.
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Okay problem solved. The power supply had a short to the switch. Replaced supply used a master reset card. Reinstalled the game cards done.All took about 15mins.
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That's Good News! :cool_thumb_up:
Not sure I followed the meaning of the last post, did it turn out that the power supply switch was the only problem??
Also, how about a picture of the machine running during a game, I've never seen this machine before.
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The connector in the power supply that goes to the on/off switch. Had a short inside,so that if the cable moved at all it cut power to the game for a second or two. If the game is in play and you cut power it can cause a fault in the mpu board. and give you a config error(or act like the wrong eproms are installed). So I put in a new power supply. Will add photo's as I changed the game from Two Jacks Wild to...Jacks or better with a new mpu board. And also show the problem with the power supply. Just in case someone else has this problem. :rotfl:
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The connector in the power supply that goes to the on/off switch. Had a short inside,so that if the cable moved at all it cut power to the game for a second or two. If the game is in play and you cut power it can cause a fault in the mpu board. and give you a config error(or act like the wrong eproms are installed). So I put in a new power supply. Will add photo's as I changed the game from Two Jacks Wild to...Jacks or better with a new mpu board. And also show the problem with the power supply. Just in case someone else has this problem. :rotfl:
Could that bad power supply be repaired by replacing that power connector pins or mating connector contacts? Maybe they were loose fitting together.
Those are nice colors on the upper and lower glass artwork, looks very good lit up like that! Are you going to keep it or sell it?
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For whatever it's worth, based on the screenshots you posted, the software in there is just a regular "Jacks or Better" type video poker game. The paytable isn't right for a "One Eyed Jacks" game.
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Yes it is Straight Jacks or better. Changed it from Two jacks Wild.