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IGT Game King Sound Issues?
« on: March 06, 2016, 11:12:14 AM »
I've recently purchased a Game King with a 3902 board and noticed that on the Power Keno and a couple of the poker games that the sound isn't right.  I'll only describe one of the problems to hopefully make this easier for me.  On Power Keno as the balls come out, it appears that each one has extra reverb in the sound and also when there is a 'hit' the ding seems extra long (both somewhat static-y). Also when counting up credits won.  But Cleopatra Keno and Caveman Keno the sound seems to be right.  I'm not sure if I need to focus on the sound board or the chip with the sound effects.  Increasing/decreasing game volume does not fix this.


I've noticed a "hum" when switching games (almost like RF interference on an AM radio).  As an electronics tech, this tells me a cap has gone bad or is going bad.  Am I looking at a new sound board to fix this?  Is this a known issue with an easy fix?


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Re: IGT Game King Sound Issues?
« Reply #1 on: March 06, 2016, 01:00:57 PM »
Can you post a photo of the mpu (main processor board) and also any audio amp boards that may be in the machine? We might see something that affects advice or suggestions.

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Re: IGT Game King Sound Issues?
« Reply #2 on: March 06, 2016, 01:36:54 PM »
Here's all that I could get.  Being a rookie at this, I'm hoping that the back plane is clear, I didn't want to remove it out of the machine. :-P


Since disconnecting the mechanical counters (via Jumper posted in another thread), the machine now prints a ticket for anything over what seems a $100 win.  I've only noticed this in the Cleopatra Keno with $1 Denom, max bet of 8.  Didn't do this prior to this jump.  Something I miss in the previous thread?  From what I've found on these boards, I purchased a Keychip 022.  Was very confused between 22 and 40, should I have gotten the 40 from what you see in the pics?


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Re: IGT Game King Sound Issues?
« Reply #3 on: March 06, 2016, 02:53:49 PM »
I think I figured out the ticket printing automatically.  Just set a HIGHER machine credit limit, but I've yet to hitting anything big since doing so.  Also set HIGHER hand pay limit so I'm not burning through printer paper.  :-)

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Re: IGT Game King Sound Issues?
« Reply #4 on: March 06, 2016, 04:09:53 PM »
You have a version of Game King 5.0 installed, but I think you may have the wrong sound SIMM card for your software set.  Are your PXL SIMMS C0001189s?  If so, I think you should have DSS00334.  I believe DSS00156 is also used for GK 5.0, but a different version which could explain why some sounds are OK, but others are incorrect.

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Re: IGT Game King Sound Issues?
« Reply #5 on: March 06, 2016, 04:26:06 PM »
I've seen this same problem on GameKings once in awhile in the casinos while playing these games. A ding that just echo's too long. Interested to see what the problem is, hardware or software.

Also seen Caveman Keno go bad playing race car music from Super 8's, etc. That one must be a software mismatch.

You can run a sound test. Turn jackpot key for attendant menu, select Diagnostics, then Sound Test. The Digitized sounds can be scrolled through. Maybe that might reveal more issues.

Hopefully the experts can pin-point your problem. Looks like Tilt has it as possible wrong sound SIMM.

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Re: IGT Game King Sound Issues?
« Reply #6 on: March 06, 2016, 04:43:11 PM »
You have a version of Game King 5.0 installed, but I think you may have the wrong sound SIMM card for your software set.  Are your PXL SIMMS C0001189s?  If so, I think you should have DSS00334.  I believe DSS00156 is also used for GK 5.0, but a different version which could explain why some sounds are OK, but others are incorrect.

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You are correct, the PXL SIMMS are C0001189s, but I've noticed that only '2 of 3' & '3 of 3' are installed.  Scratching my head as to why '1 of 3' is nowhere to be found.  After a close look, do the DIP switches on SIMM 2 & 3 need any certain setting? Or just leave them alone?


I assume I should just "Google" for the DSS00334 SIMM and hope for the best.  I've inspected all the caps that I could see on the sound board and none look like they been overheated (swelling), so I'm not sure why I'm getting the humming.


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Re: IGT Game King Sound Issues?
« Reply #7 on: March 06, 2016, 05:15:52 PM »
Your 1 of 3 should be your CGF simm.

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Re: IGT Game King Sound Issues?
« Reply #8 on: March 06, 2016, 05:19:51 PM »
Your 1 of 3 should be your CGF simm.
It is under the sound board.

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Re: IGT Game King Sound Issues?
« Reply #9 on: March 06, 2016, 05:21:59 PM »
Your 1 of 3 should be your CGF simm.


I'm guessing it's the one I see under the sound board? I haven't unscrewed that board from the mainboard.


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Re: IGT Game King Sound Issues?
« Reply #10 on: March 06, 2016, 05:23:13 PM »
You are correct, the PXL SIMMS are C0001189s, but I've noticed that only '2 of 3' & '3 of 3' are installed.  Scratching my head as to why '1 of 3' is nowhere to be found.  After a close look, do the DIP switches on SIMM 2 & 3 need any certain setting? Or just leave them alone?

I assume I should just "Google" for the DSS00334 SIMM and hope for the best.  I've inspected all the caps that I could see on the sound board and none look like they been overheated (swelling), so I'm not sure why I'm getting the humming.

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You could try contacting some of the slot vendors here on the NLG to see if they have or can get the sound simm you want. They are a pretty friendly group of folks. The home page has the vendor lists, below are a few of them. When you check their website keep in mind they don't always have everything listed, so it is good to contact them by email or phone:

http://www.centralvalleyslots.com/igtparts.html

http://www.ohiogaming.com/igtreplacementparts.htm

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Re: IGT Game King Sound Issues?
« Reply #11 on: March 06, 2016, 05:38:13 PM »
Here's all that I could get.  Being a rookie at this, I'm hoping that the back plane is clear, I didn't want to remove it out of the machine. :-P

Since disconnecting the mechanical counters (via Jumper posted in another thread), the machine now prints a ticket for anything over what seems a $100 win.  I've only noticed this in the Cleopatra Keno with $1 Denom, max bet of 8.  Didn't do this prior to this jump.  Something I miss in the previous thread?  From what I've found on these boards, I purchased a Keychip 022.  Was very confused between 22 and 40, should I have gotten the 40 from what you see in the pics?

Thanks!!

Good job on the photos, they look fine and the folks here will ask if they need any additional ones. I'm not familiar enough with your machine to give help on the KeyChip -022 vs -040 question but someone will probably answer that one.

Is the hum definitely coming from the speaker, and not from something else in the machine? If you lower the sound volume does the hum get lower?
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Re: IGT Game King Sound Issues?
« Reply #12 on: March 06, 2016, 05:47:55 PM »

After a close look, do the DIP switches on SIMM 2 & 3 need any certain setting? Or just leave them alone?

I've inspected all the caps that I could see on the sound board and none look like they been overheated (swelling), so I'm not sure why I'm getting the humming.


The DIP switches should be left where they are.  They control the memory addressing, if they were wrong your machine would not boot at all.

Some background hum/hiss is normal, but it should be at a low level.

Edited to add:  KEY 22 will work fine for your game.

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Re: IGT Game King Sound Issues?
« Reply #13 on: March 08, 2016, 06:28:04 PM »
First off, thanks for the feedback, I appreciate it greatly as I need it on this newly acquired game.


Second, I spoke to Ken at Ohio Gaming and both a Key Chip 22 and the new sound SIMM as well on their way (tracking says Thursday, woot!).


Lastly, it is a noticeable hiss/hum.  Not super loud, but I can notice it between the switching of games.  Maybe I'll look at a simple tank circuit just before the speakers to see if that eliminates it.  To me, it also sounds like the main processor is located too close to the sound and causing some RF interference.  You can hear the processor 'thinking' with audible clicks, hums, and whizzes in the background sound. :-D


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Re: IGT Game King Sound Issues?
« Reply #14 on: March 08, 2016, 08:35:59 PM »
The buzz between switching games is normal.  I even tinkered with the S2000 resistor mod and on a GK, it isn't worth it as it screws with other sounds.

If you want complete elimination of buzzing sounds, move to a 044 MPU/backplane and Game King 6.x.

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Re: IGT Game King Sound Issues?
« Reply #15 on: March 08, 2016, 09:05:09 PM »
The buzz between switching games is normal.  I even tinkered with the S2000 resistor mod and on a GK, it isn't worth it as it screws with other sounds.

If you want complete elimination of buzzing sounds, move to a 044 MPU/backplane and Game King 6.x.


The 044 board is my next upgrade and 6.2 (or 6.3) I believe is the one I want. Whichever one has "Lucky Bucks" Slots with the 4-Card Power and Cleopatra Keno.  Of course, this is right after I get a TITO card installed.  :-P


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Re: IGT Game King Sound Issues?
« Reply #16 on: March 08, 2016, 09:59:37 PM »
The buzz between switching games is normal.  I even tinkered with the S2000 resistor mod and on a GK, it isn't worth it as it screws with other sounds.

If you want complete elimination of buzzing sounds, move to a 044 MPU/backplane and Game King 6.x.


The 044 board is my next upgrade and 6.2 (or 6.3) I believe is the one I want. Whichever one has "Lucky Bucks" Slots with the 4-Card Power and Cleopatra Keno.  Of course, this is right after I get a TITO card installed.  :-P

You need 6.3 to have the 4-card versions of Power, Cleo, Caveman and Caveman Plus Keno. 6.2 is identical to 6.3 except it's missing those four keno games (I own both 6.2 and 6.3 flashboards). I have also experienced much better sound quality after upgrading from 3902 to 044.
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Re: IGT Game King Sound Issues?
« Reply #17 on: March 09, 2016, 07:56:25 PM »
Got quick shipping from Ohio Gaming and got the new DSS00334 Sound SIMM today!  Thanks, Ken.


Unfortunately, it didn't fix my sound issue.  Gimme a sec, I've made a short video of Power Keno (broke) and Cleopatra Keno (good).  I also made a short video with Jacks or Better which the sound is also broke. These games had bad sound before the new SIMM, so no change.


I appreciate the feedback and recommendation, Tilt.  But it seems to be something else.


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Re: IGT Game King Sound Issues?
« Reply #18 on: March 09, 2016, 08:12:25 PM »
Yeah, there's something amiss.  Gotta be related to the MPU, MMLB2, or GK 5.0 software set.  Can't imagine it would be related to the amp or speakers since some of the sounds are playing correctly.

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Re: IGT Game King Sound Issues?
« Reply #19 on: March 09, 2016, 08:14:48 PM »
If you look at the speakers/wiring, there aren't any resistors inline between the amp and the speakers right?  Clean wiring all around?

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