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Author Topic: accidentally got a Konomi slot into the shop for repair  (Read 6604 times)

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Re: accidentally got a Konomi slot into the shop for repair
« Reply #20 on: November 19, 2019, 03:23:38 AM »
I borrowed a clear key and cleared the game then followed the setup procedures, mostly default settings, and got it up and running.
Case solved but I would like to own my own master clear key some day in case another one shows up.


I just stumbled on this discussion, that " clear key" is a dallas ibutton , 2 pin eprom, same as they use in megatouch units for a software security key and touchtunes jukeboxes, problem with these is they have an internal battery in them and are very deeply encoded most times, so that introduces 2 problems


1. nearly impossible to copy
2. when internal batt dies after 8-10-??? years, its dead and when the game is no longer supported and none that are still alive can be found any more the game is a big anchor

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Re: accidentally got a Konomi slot into the shop for repair
« Reply #21 on: November 19, 2019, 06:29:52 AM »
Yep, that was my conclusion, what a stupid game design.
I looked into finding a security company that produces programmers for the keys but was told my company was to small to participate.
Let them that don't want any, have memories of not getting any.

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Re: accidentally got a Konomi slot into the shop for repair
« Reply #22 on: November 19, 2019, 09:35:46 AM »
I borrowed a clear key and cleared the game then followed the setup procedures, mostly default settings, and got it up and running.
Case solved but I would like to own my own master clear key some day in case another one shows up.


I just stumbled on this discussion, that " clear key" is a dallas ibutton , 2 pin eprom, same as they use in megatouch units for a software security key and touchtunes jukeboxes, problem with these is they have an internal battery in them and are very deeply encoded most times, so that introduces 2 problems


1. nearly impossible to copy
2. when internal batt dies after 8-10-??? years, its dead and when the game is no longer supported and none that are still alive can be found any more the game is a big anchor

Would there be any way to cut or carefully pry that can apart and replace the internal battery?
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Re: accidentally got a Konomi slot into the shop for repair
« Reply #23 on: November 19, 2019, 02:37:49 PM »
Then you would have to find a way to re-program it.
Let them that don't want any, have memories of not getting any.

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Re: accidentally got a Konomi slot into the shop for repair
« Reply #24 on: November 19, 2019, 04:43:06 PM »
Some pretty slick guys in the amusement world have out extensive time into this, because when one dies in a Megatouch it will no longer boot, do some research on “ibutton cloning”  the tools and software are out there and not expensive, however they came with a few levels of security on them. What is used in slots I would say is pretty serious, but maybe not who knows, to clone one you’d need to know the security password which is usually encrypted very heavily, at least for megatouches because it’s the liscense for the software, in this case it may be different. In the amusement world guys have worked around the source code in the software to boot and run without having the key in. With Megatouch out of business now it’s not a very big concern, but they still advise to only do it if you do legally hold a key that’s dead. It’s for “backup” to save legally owned sw.
That’s the level of my experience with them. I have ran into the issues of them being dead on megas and wanted to make backups and those are the hurdles I found doing research. It’s a horrible design for the long term, but in the short term, ibuttons are dirt cheap and easy to use, no chance of bent or broken pins ect. Game manufacturers don’t expect these games to still be in service or still being serviced 15-20 years down the road so they serve their purpose for the time needed. Anyone interested in discussing this further feel free to PM me

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Re: accidentally got a Konomi slot into the shop for repair
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Re: accidentally got a Konomi slot into the shop for repair
« Reply #26 on: November 19, 2019, 04:50:59 PM »
Then you would have to find a way to re-program it.

Could you could clip another power source in parallel with the battery, replace it, then remove the temporary source thus never losing power?
I did this years ago with my (now gone) Mercedes 190e so I wouldn't lose the power to the stereo and have to add that stupid code in!
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Re: accidentally got a Konomi slot into the shop for repair
« Reply #27 on: November 19, 2019, 05:01:17 PM »
Then you would have to find a way to re-program it.

Could you could clip another power source in parallel with the battery, replace it, then remove the temporary source thus never losing power?
I did this years ago with my (now gone) Mercedes 190e so I wouldn't lose the power to the stereo and have to add that stupid code in!


I may have one here I can donate to science if someone wants to see the insides

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Re: accidentally got a Konomi slot into the shop for repair
« Reply #28 on: July 13, 2020, 11:43:36 PM »
I would like to see the insides.

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Re: accidentally got a Konomi slot into the shop for repair
« Reply #29 on: August 11, 2021, 04:28:13 PM »
First time I ever read this post....it's a bloody horror story!! :talktothehand:
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Re: accidentally got a Konomi slot into the shop for repair
« Reply #30 on: August 11, 2021, 10:52:11 PM »
Then you would have to find a way to re-program it.
Could you could clip another power source in parallel with the battery, replace it, then remove the temporary source thus never losing power?
I did this years ago with my (now gone) Mercedes 190e so I wouldn't lose the power to the stereo and have to add that stupid code in!

As I was reading this thread I was thinking the same thing. Does anyone know the answer.

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Re: accidentally got a Konomi slot into the shop for repair
« Reply #31 on: August 12, 2021, 06:00:05 PM »
Sounds a lot like the suicide chips used in several arcade games - the Dallas DS5002FP being one of the more infamous ones. If these are becoming scarce and people would like to turn a boat anchor back into a working machine, consider donating some of these things to MAME for decapping before they all die out, likewise with the copy protected VLC chips (e.g. Winning Touch/87xx/88xx boards). Note that it will be risky at first as the chips first have to be identified, and the chips will be physically destroyed in the process, but the end result after a successful dump is being able to replicate the data endlessly without fear of the thing performing harakiri.

 

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