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**Reel Slots** Gaming Machines => Bally Reel Games => Topic started by: br549autosales on March 21, 2014, 08:18:53 PM
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I have had similar problems with this machine before and now just about every spin I get the following tilts:
All 3 reels spin and stop then a tilt 72 shows
All 3 reels spin and stop then a tilt 73 shows
1st and 2nd reels spin and stop then a tilt 93 shows
1st reel spins and stops then a tilt 42 shows
1st reel spins and stops then a tilt 92 shows
About every 5-7th spin, they will all spin and stop properly without any tilts.
I have tried adjusting the reel readers left and right and no change
I have cleaned the LEDs with a Q-tip and alcohol
I have oiled the reel mechs with a hypodermic needle oiler
Any other things I can try to resolve this evil machine?
Thanks,
David
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Don't know why the pics showed up sideways, they are upright in my saved pics
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All of these errors point to indexing or reading the reel readers but none show up for reel 1. You might want to take
reel reader 1 and swap it over to reel reader 2 and see if you get 71 or 91 errors. As long as you have the reel readers
out, clean the bulbs too. I have seen numerous times where the bulb is dirty enough so that the measured voltage
on the photo transistor can drop to below 2 volts, typically this voltage will be a bit more than 4 volts.
You mentioned you cleaned the LED's (photo-transistors) I would dip a Q-Tip in alcohol and using a twisting motion
push a bit harder and clean them again. One user on the old forum did this and despite not working after the first
cleaning found that it did work when done as I had instructed.
Remove the IO card and take a wire brush to the connecting pins, I have found several dirty connectors that are bad
enough to make things fail. On one card it did not allow about half of the triacs to turn on.
The only other component is the reel reader decoder, it doesn't make sense for this to be the cause because if it
can read one card, it can read all 3 of the cards. Just keep in mind that stranger things have happened.
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Thanks, I will move the #1 reel reader over to the 2nd reel and put #2 reader in the #1 spot and clean the LEDs again as you said to do. I don't know if this info helps it not but on test #8 I can pull the handle and all the reels spin and stop correctly every time. I will wire brush the I/O board as well.
Thanks for the info
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All of these errors point to indexing or reading the reel readers but none show up for reel 1. You might want to take
reel reader 1 and swap it over to reel reader 2 and see if you get 71 or 91 errors. As long as you have the reel readers
out, clean the bulbs too. I have seen numerous times where the bulb is dirty enough so that the measured voltage
on the photo transistor can drop to below 2 volts, typically this voltage will be a bit more than 4 volts.
You mentioned you cleaned the LED's (photo-transistors) I would dip a Q-Tip in alcohol and using a twisting motion
push a bit harder and clean them again. One user on the old forum did this and despite not working after the first
cleaning found that it did work when done as I had instructed.
Remove the IO card and take a wire brush to the connecting pins, I have found several dirty connectors that are bad
enough to make things fail. On one card it did not allow about half of the triacs to turn on.
The only other component is the reel reader decoder, it doesn't make sense for this to be the cause because if it
can read one card, it can read all 3 of the cards. Just keep in mind that stranger things have happened.
When you say to clean the bulbs, do you mean the reel reader LEDs? If not,what and where are the bulbs located?
Thanks,
David
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The reel readers in your machine are the 50 volt cards so they have incandescent bulbs on the right half of the card
(as seen when installed in the machine). Perhaps this is what you are calling LED's. That is incorrect, they are
#680 bulbs. On the opposite side there are 5 photo-transistors with very small holes where the light shines through.
It is these small holes where I suggest soaking a Q-Tip in alcohol, pressing firmly and with a twisting motion for
cleaning.
You can test the operation of the card if you have a Volt Meter, a 5 volt power supply, a 47K ohm resistor, a light
source (flashlight) and a couple of test jumpers (clip leased). I placed the instructions for testing these on a fellow
web members web page and those instructions are located at
http://www.coinslots.com/product/repairs/repair-tips/ (http://www.coinslots.com/product/repairs/repair-tips/)
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Just took out all 3 reel readers and cleaned the small holes opposite of the bulbs with the Qtip as you suggested the reinstalled them and swapped 1&2 readers. Now when I pull the handle the reels spin and immediately goes into Tilt and I get a 41 in the display window. Even though on test #8 and I see that all of the lights on all 3 reel readers are lit up after I engage the coin switch, could I just have a bad reader in the #1 position?
Thanks
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I think that the card presently in reel position 1 is bad, but it is possible that one of the others is also bad. I say
this because your were getting some 72,73 or 92, 93 errors. If you have the components that I listed in my previous
method you can test each of the cards and then replace the defective photo-transistors.
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I may just send it to you for repair
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If you decide to do that you can get my shipping details at
http://www.coinslots.com/our-thanks (http://www.coinslots.com/our-thanks)
Do yourself a favor though, send all 3 cards since all 3 will fit in on small flat rate box shipping will not
be any different. I only charge for cards that I have to repair so if you have more than one card bad it
would be best to get them fixed at the same time. If only one card is bad then only one will be repaired
but all 3 will be tested.
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Just took out all 3 reel readers and cleaned the small holes opposite of the bulbs with the Qtip as you suggested the reinstalled them and swapped 1&2 readers. Now when I pull the handle the reels spin and immediately goes into Tilt and I get a 41 in the display window. Even though on test #8 and I see that all of the lights on all 3 reel readers are lit up after I engage the coin switch, could I just have a bad reader in the #1 position?
Thanks
David... It's possible that you have a weak photo transistor, or bulb.. I have a tester that I got from dhellis that makes it possible for me to test the reel readers. If you want to send then to me I'll gladly check them for you for free.. I also do the repairs on them if needed. I charge $15.00 to repair one reader, and $10 for any additional plus shipping back.. Also make sure nothing is rubbing on the reels causing them to spin slow. That will cause a tilt problem..
Gary
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If you decide to do that you can get my shipping details at
[url]http://www.coinslots.com/our-thanks[/url] ([url]http://www.coinslots.com/our-thanks[/url])
Do yourself a favor though, send all 3 cards since all 3 will fit in on small flat rate box shipping will not
be any different. I only charge for cards that I have to repair so if you have more than one card bad it
would be best to get them fixed at the same time. If only one card is bad then only one will be repaired
Dan, I see you have this covered.. Don't want to take any of your business..
Gary
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To check the 1st reel reader I swapped it out with the 3rd reel reader. Now when I drop a coin and pull the handle it still goes into an immediate tilt-41. Could it be that my kick and or arm switches could be bad or out of position? Looks to me like in the resting, reels locked position that both the arm and kick switches both are open. But the diagram says that in the rest position that the arm switch should be open and the kick switch should be closed? Another thing is that my kick switch has three wires going to it and my arm switch only has two, looks like in the diagram that both switches should only have 2 wires each? What's the purpose of the third wire on the kick switch. Hopefully this is bad switch issue or a not open or closed correctly issue and my reel reader is fine.
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If both of the switches are open, then that is
a problem that will need to be fixed first.
You will need to trace that third wire on
the switch and find out what that is.
Do you have a complete manual for
that machine?
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I do not have a manual
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PM your email and Ill send you a copy
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I just went to #3 switch test and on the kick switch (bottom one) I get a 3...408 when I press the switch and I get a 3. . . .010 when I release it
On the arm switch (upper one) I get a 3. . . 020 when I press the switch and I get a 3. . . . . . when I release it, shouldn't I get another number sequence similar to what I got on the kick switch when I released it?
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I just went to #3 switch test and on the kick switch (bottom one) I get a 3...408 when I press the switch and I get a 3. . . .010 when I release it
On the arm switch (upper one) I get a 3. . . 020 when I press the switch and I get a 3. . . . . . when I release it, shouldn't I get another number sequence similar to what I got on the kick switch when I released it?
All you should see on these tests (for the switches) is 020 for the arm switch and you should only get 010 for the kick switch. Try re-running the test and look at the bottom arrow light and see if it lights up when you activate the kick swithch. IO port 408 controls the turning on and off of that particular light. I would try disconnecting the wire (middle wire) on the kick switch (tape if off to avoid any shorts) and then see if your machine plays properly. 408 also will
control the index coil for reel 4 but I have not heard you mention this so assume you have a 3 reel machine.
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I will try removing that middle wire and covering it up next and re doing the switch test and post those results. Now no matter which reader is in any position, I get a tilt 42 every time after the 1st reel stops, so it may not be a bad reader. All 3 reels stopped just a few minutes ago and landed on a winning combination but the ell did not go off and it did not drop any coins from the hopper, could that be part of the problem too? BTW, what did you mean by the "bottom arrow light"
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To be honest I mentioned that without looking at the photo of your machine. You machine is a single line 3 coin multiplier.
If it had been a 5 line machine or even a 3 line machine then the line 3 light (arrow) would have illuminated.
You are right that the reel readers could be all good, the problem may be in the kick switch or even in the IO
board.
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One last thing then I'm giving up for the night and going to bed. I took the 3rd wire off and now my switch test is working fine for the arm (20) and kick (10) I am still getting random tilts such as:
1st reel stops then 42 tilt
1st reel stops then 92 tilt
all 3 reels stop and 73 tilt
all 3 reels stop then 72 tilt
1st 2 reels stop then 93 tilt
When I hit a winning combination, no bell and no payout from the hopper
As a side note, in the #3 switch test, I depress the coin switch wire and I get a 3. . .0.0.1.
but when I release, it goes to 3. . . 1.2.0.
Could the coin switch cause these tilt error codes?
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One last thing then I'm giving up for the night and going to bed. I took the 3rd wire off and now my switch test is working fine for the arm (20) and kick (10) I am still getting random tilts such as:
1st reel stops then 42 tilt
1st reel stops then 92 tilt
all 3 reels stop and 73 tilt
all 3 reels stop then 72 tilt
1st 2 reels stop then 93 tilt
When I hit a winning combination, no bell and no payout from the hopper
As a side note, in the #3 switch test, I depress the coin switch wire and I get a 3. . .0.0.1.
but when I release, it goes to 3. . . 1.2.0.
Could the coin switch cause these tilt error codes?
If you are getting error codes along with the winning combination then I can understand why there is no payout
or bell ringing. You won't get these because you are in a tilt situation.
I am getting more concerned with the multiple codes on test #3. This should not be the case. I would have serious
doubts that the coin switch would cause such a problem, the 001 code is correct but 120 code would be the IO port
used to turn on the winner paid light. Do you have any spare boards?
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Unfortunately no
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Is it possible that I need another I/O board?
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Yes it is possible but unknown at this point. It is also possible that your power supply is not doing
what it should be.
PM sent
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A very special thanks to Amechanic, Proten and especially dhellis for helping me troubleshoot and get this E series machine up and running properly again. Dellis even sent me 3 working reel readers, a working I/O board and a working power supply for testing. Well I did as he suggested and replaced all 3 reel readers first with the 3 working ones he sent me and now the game works perfect every spin, payouts and all. Not just anyone would send you working parts and allow you to test with and just ask for exchange price for any parts needed, so again thank you very much sir!
Karma to all three of you guys!
Thanks,
David
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David glad to hear its up and working. I had a feeling it was the reel readers. I've seen machines with 2 or all 3 bad. It's hard to trouble shoot a problem went your just moving bad parts around, been there and done that.. Easy for me to say now because I've picked up a few spare parts. I've learned you can't fix everyone, some become parts machines. Like now I have an old Bally EM 742 I'd love to fix up, but it as in a damp basement for years.. Woods rotted on the bottom, glass is peeling and the Chromes pitted, but that dang machine still plays and pays out!! Thanks for the Karma and one back at yea. :1:
Gary
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Thanks again, yeah extra parts is where it's at for sure. Can you tell me if I can buy the fluorescent award glass bulb, 15" I believe and the fluorescent bulb that lights up the reels? Hopefully at a local Home Depot it a Lowes?
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I am always glad to see a machine come back to life and I agree with you, both Proten and Amechanic are always
on the board helping others.
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Thanks again, yeah extra parts is where it's at for sure. Can you tell me if I can buy the fluorescent award glass bulb, 15" I believe and the fluorescent bulb that lights up the reels? Hopefully at a local Home Depot it a Lowes?
Your local hardware store or big chain store carries them, but I order mine on line at 1000 bulbs. I can buy 6 bulbs on line for the same price as one from HD, or Lowes plus shipping and the lamp starters are a lot cheaper too. The new universal starters are the way to go. No more having SF2 & SF5 starters, just the universal ones.
Gary
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Do you know if Lowes or Home Depot has the universal starters as well?
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Do you know if Lowes or Home Depot has the universal starters as well?
I'm not sure?? I usually don't shop for bulbs there any more.