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Credit Display - Double Red White & Blue, IGT S-plus
« on: August 09, 2018, 07:40:23 AM »

[EDIT: This thread is not yet completely resolved. Although, there are some great photos and insight into the functioning of a coin comparitor and S/PLUS standard coin-in process. ]


Hey NewLifeGames members! I'm a new member and just bought my first REAL slot machine. I've had tons of Pachislo slot machines. My current "BasementCasino" collection includes a craps table, 4 Pachislo slot machines, and my newest addition - Double Red White & Blue by IGT (S-plus).
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Other: 25¢ coin slot only, no bill acceptor, no printer, slant-to-back square top, vertical credit display (not horizontal - no mini lcd screen - no players card slot).
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I picked this RWB machine off Craigslist for $160! Wow is it awesome. It was broken, but only really had 2 issues. Having no experience whatever with 'real' slot machiens - I immediately bought a reset chip off eBay and started flipping every dipswitch I could find... Ha, just kidding. I don't feel that'd be such a good idea.


The first problem was that the machine would not pay the cash out. It would candle error and quit. I researched some YouTube and this forum (you guys are awesome!) and quickly disassembled the hopper and found the "coin knife" tip was not lifting up coins properly. After some careful work with a razor, I reshaped the knife to lift tokens again. Problem solbed - confidence level soaring.


That high was soon met with my discontent in trying to solve the second issue:


 :banghead:  PROBLEM  :banghead:
1. The credit display window is the upright display on the right-hand side of the machine. The machine functions flawlessly (as far as I know) but does not display the "Coins played", "Credits", and only displays a constant "0" in the "Winner Paid" display. The upright display looks similar to this (poorly edited) diagram, the dashes being a blank dusplay number.


________________
Winner Paid
0 - - -
- - - -
Credits
Coins Played -
________________

[EDIT: Photo added to more clearly show the issue with Credit Display]

The machine does keep track of credits, wins, and cashes out correctly. (Player has to keep track of wins and credits in their head, ugh). One other detail - the machine accepts up to 3 credits (physical quarters) before it eats any additional money added. 4th coin with be taken but not given credit, then hopper returns a coin for overpay. 5th coin or more just drops into hopper without being recognized at all.

[EDIT: the issue of 4th and 5th coins dropping into the hopper, as well as foreign coins dropping into the hopper is resolved later in this thread by means of adjusting the coin comparitor rake.]


Also note: The coin comparitor does not light up green, but functions appropriately, as far as I know. Compares quarters, tokens, nickels, other appropriately for credit - but does allow them to drop into hopper.

[EDIT: the issue of the coin comparitor not lighting up while the door is open, is results later in this thread by learning that the coin comparator does not light up while the door is open. ]



I purchased a new display board on eBay and it shipped immediately. I swapped out my original and the new board did LESS than the original, in that it displayed nothing at all. Swapping back and forth, the new board did nothing while the original still showed the constant "0" paid. I returned the eBay board and they sent me another... Same result.  I suspect the boards were an aftermarket non-genuine part. Although, the part numbers did match.


So, what do I do next?  Do I order another board from a different supplier? Is the display I'm seeing an error message, or does it indicated a issue with the wires' connections, or the board itself? Is it a sign of a greater problem?


I'll post pictures as soon as I get them uploaded and linked to this forum. (I'm new and basic functions are still trivial to me)
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Re: Credit Display - Double Red White & Blue, IGT S-plus
« Reply #1 on: August 09, 2018, 08:48:39 AM »
Welcome to NLG!   :wave: :waving_flag:

That light on the coin comparitor only comes ON when the door is closed on an S+ machine. So not anything to worry about.

On the credit display board with the digital display, does it's wiring cable look in good condition? You can try posting a photo of the inside of the door in this area, maybe we can see something not right.

Is this a 3 coin max machine? Whatever the max bet per spin is the machine normally won't accept additional quarters past that. Any extra coins you insert should get returned to the coin tray on the front of the machine. You aren't supposed to be able to load up a bunch of quarters and then play for a while. However, if credit mode is turned on then all the wins from spins will go to the credit meter and you can play off them. (I think there are some SP chips that will allow you to insert extra coins, but that's not the normal thing)

What is the mpu board dipswitch setting? On some SP chips the dipswitch is disregarded, on other SP chips the dipswitch is active.

Have you removed the mpu board and checked it's condition, verified no liquid contamination or signs of battery leakage on the board? The smaller board that the mpu plugs into (motherboard) should be examined also.

Can you tell us what the machine's SP and SS chip numbers are? Just follow this easy procedure to find out:

http://newlifegames.com/nlg/index.php?topic=2251.msg11326#msg11326

EDIT- not able to follow this procedure to determine the SS and SP chip numbers because the digital display board is not working.
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Re: Credit Display - Double Red White & Blue, IGT S-plus
« Reply #2 on: August 09, 2018, 09:29:48 AM »
I’d like to see a picture of what your trying to describe. Your problem could be in the machines settings.

To ad a pic here just click on the line below this box, see my pic. The add your pics, but be aware the total pics size can’t exceed 1000K. I have found the best way to control my pictures sizes is to email my pics to myself using my IPhone. It asks me what size I want to send the pictures files.
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Re: Credit Display - Double Red White & Blue, IGT S-plus
« Reply #3 on: August 09, 2018, 10:05:04 AM »
Yes, it is fairly easy to add photos. Each individual photo has a max size of 1,000k (1 meg). You can add up to 5 photos per post/message. Photos really help us to see what you have.

Is it possible your machine is an S and not an S+ ?
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Re: Credit Display - Double Red White & Blue, IGT S-plus
« Reply #4 on: August 09, 2018, 12:20:21 PM »
It sounds like an S or early S+ machine. If his displays aren't working, he may not be able to see the numbers for his SP and SS chip, if it's an S+. You may need to look at the chips when you pull the MPU board.

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Re: Credit Display - Double Red White & Blue, IGT S-plus
« Reply #5 on: August 09, 2018, 08:50:02 PM »
I tried uploading photos, and my cell phone quality is too high and exceeds the 1K size. I will have to compress the images and upload them later.

The machine is certainly a S/PLUS. This is stamped on to the label on the side of the machine. See original post for full details of label stamp.

I am absolutely terrified to remove the mpu board to view the SP & SS chip. I also have a healthy fear of the jackpot reset key, per some horrific YouTube videos.  I am willing to do so, with careful instruction and second opinion.

All of the wiring seems to be in fair condition, however I don't know what to expect anyways since this is my first machine. There are a couple of neatly tucked and disconnected wires that appear to be available for additional components. However I do not see any which Common Sense would say is damaged or missing

This is a 3 coin Max machine. It allows you to insert one, two, or three physical quarters and gives you credit for each. If you insert a fourth quarter, thereby overpaying, it will mechanically Hopper pay 1 coin refund dispense to the tray below. If you continue to add coins in excessive of 4, the overpaid coins will simply be eaten by the machine and deposit into the hopper without credit given.

Reject coins, such as the wrong denomination (e.g. pennies or nickels on a quarter machine) are not given any credit, but do drop into the hopper.  :Scratch-Head:  this seems unusual to me as they could cause a potential Jam.

Any win on the machine does accumulate as credits in the machine, it does not payout quarters unless you specifically cash out the winning accumulated credits. The machine does not allow you to load up credits in excess of 3, unless the credits are paid as a win.

As far as I know, the machine operates properly and will properly keep track of your winnings and credits.

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Re: Credit Display - Double Red White & Blue, IGT S-plus
« Reply #6 on: August 09, 2018, 09:17:43 PM »
If you are not able to post photos then you can send them to me and I will get them posted for you. You can contact me by clicking on my username over to the left of this message. That will take you to a screen that lists my email address.
 
It is understandable to be apprehensive about removing parts from the machine. But there will probably be times when it has to be done, either by you or by someone that does it for you. It sounds like the coin comparitor has been rigged to force it to pass all coins. On the back of the coin comparitor is a part called the "rake". It's job is to force unwanted coins to return to the coin tray on front of machine. Sometimes people will jam open the rake or disable it somehow so that it is always in the "open" position, thereby allowing all inserted coins to pass thru to the hopper.

To check for this you will need to remove the coin comparitor and examine the backside of it. It is mounted with 4 plastic clips that hold it to the inside of the door. There is also a small wiring connector that plugs into it on the left side.
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Re: Credit Display - Double Red White & Blue, IGT S-plus
« Reply #7 on: August 09, 2018, 09:22:42 PM »
I have tried four different ways to post the images using two different image compression apps, email, and file type changing. I Surrender to failure.


ROKGPSMAN, I clicked your username but your email is hidden. You may contact me, similarly, by looking at my profile email.


I am going to upload pictures to my user profile, and attempt to link them here also.


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Re: Credit Display - Double Red White & Blue, IGT S-plus
« Reply #8 on: August 09, 2018, 09:27:38 PM »
Sound like there might be some changes that need to be done to some of your games settings. You will need to invest in the game chips need to do this. Are you saying if you put a nickel or penny in your coin slot it goes into the hopper? If it does you have a problem with your coin comparitor. It shouldn’t allow you to insert a 4th or 5th coin. They should be returned to the coin tray. The S+ slot machine will only allow you to play the max coins 3 and that’s it. The next generation IGT S2000 slot machine can be programmed to do that.

I have to email my self pics I take with my cell phone to control the pic size. The IPhone doesn’t give me a choice of mega pixels when I take pics. So I either cut and crop or email them back to myself, then it gives me the choice of the size of the file being sent.
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Re: Credit Display - Double Red White & Blue, IGT S-plus
« Reply #9 on: August 09, 2018, 09:28:50 PM »
.....ROKGPSMAN, I clicked your username but your email is hidden. You may contact me, similarly, by looking at my profile email.
That's odd you couldn't see my email address, I have it set to be visible.

I've emailed you.

You can also click on "private message" to the left of someone's post and send them a private message (pm) thru NLG.

And you can click on "mail this user" to the left of someone's post and send them an internet email.

Both of these should be visible to the left of all my postings.
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Re: Credit Display - Double Red White & Blue, IGT S-plus
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Re: Credit Display - Double Red White & Blue, IGT S-plus
« Reply #11 on: August 09, 2018, 09:40:41 PM »
Success! I uploaded directly to my profile album, then direct embed/linked to the forum.


Please advise for additoaddi photos.


Please note the "2689" on top of the cover/ housing for the board. ***Note I have not verified this number correctly identifies the internals.


Also know the numbers"2157" appear on a group of wiring plug (fourth down, just below the white push switch, the wire grouping is mostly red and orange).




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Re: Credit Display - Double Red White & Blue, IGT S-plus
« Reply #12 on: August 09, 2018, 09:47:37 PM »
See your photo belows with notes I've added.

In the first photo are those white connectors fully connected? Looks like the top 2 are angled to one side and not completely engaged.

On the coin comparitor photo I've put yellow arrows where the mounting clips are located. You can disconnect the wiring connector on left side of coin comparitor, then pull the coin comparitor toward you and remove it from the machine. This isn't difficult. Then you can examine the back of it, see why it isn't sending rejected coins to the coin tray.

I've also noted where the coin optics boards are located, just below the coin comparitor. The lower left corner of the coin optic board has a pushbutton switch that will add test credits to the machine. Pressing it should simulate a coin going thru the coin optics and put a credit on the machine. Then you can press the Spin button and the reels should spin. These test credits will be removed when you shut the door.
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Re: Credit Display - Double Red White & Blue, IGT S-plus
« Reply #13 on: August 09, 2018, 09:56:09 PM »
Here are a few pictures of the coin comparitor, that simply popped out with a pull from for plastic friction connections. Very simple to remove and replace.


Note that it will reject a quarter occasionally and diverted to the tray. However if you put in a coin of very dissimilar size - the penny, token, nickel, will pass through to the quarter Hopper.


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Attached is also a photo of the slot that comparitor to feeds into.


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Re: Credit Display - Double Red White & Blue, IGT S-plus
« Reply #14 on: August 09, 2018, 10:04:28 PM »
The top two plugs are fully inserted, however they are slightly tilted due to being smushed against the two wire bundles in the door hinge area.


??? Is it normal that the wires are fed through and into the door to the right of the bulb starter? Should they be moved above the ''metal bulb panel" entirely to clear the smash point? 


??? Also was I correct in assuming the brown and black "unconnected" wire plugs were four additional unnecessary accessories?


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Re: Credit Display - Double Red White & Blue, IGT S-plus
« Reply #15 on: August 09, 2018, 10:08:48 PM »
Look on the backside of the coin comparitor, see if the metal rake is jammed open. You should be able to pull it slightly and then it will spring back into position. Post photo if needed.
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Re: Credit Display - Double Red White & Blue, IGT S-plus
« Reply #16 on: August 09, 2018, 10:15:48 PM »
The rake /comb-like lever moves freely and returns to resting position.

[EDIT: although the rake could move freely, it was likely intentionally bent to avoid deflecting invalid coins.]
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Re: Credit Display - Double Red White & Blue, IGT S-plus
« Reply #17 on: August 09, 2018, 10:21:53 PM »
Would be good if we knew what your mpu board dipswitch settings are. And what your mpu board SP chip number is.

Ordinarily you would not have to remove the mpu board to find out these two pieces of information. There is a way to have the machine tell you the SP and SS chip numbers, and to tell you what the mpu dipswitch is set to. But that information gets displayed on the front display, and since yours is not working then you can't do it that way. May need to remove the mpu board and find out that way. Unless someone else has a better suggestion to try.

The normal/default position for the rake is in the "reject coin" position. So coins inserted should get sent to the coin tray on front of machine unless the rake solenoid gets activated and pulls the rake out of the way so the coin drops thru and down into the coin optics boards, then on to the hopper. Examine the coin path metal chutes and slides, see why the coins are not getting sent to the coin tray. With power turned off all coins should go back to coin tray.

Have you tried pressing the white TEST button just to see what happen on the front display?

I don't know if those 2 disconnected connectors on the inside of the door are important.

If it looks like those larger wiring harnesses are routed wrong and they can easily be routed better so they don't press against those white connectors then I'd do it. Is there a photo showing them?

I'm trying to address your questions but on some I have to do some checking first, don't want to post wrong or misleading answers.
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Re: Credit Display - Double Red White & Blue, IGT S-plus
« Reply #18 on: August 09, 2018, 10:36:48 PM »
Regarding "TEST MODE", as activated by the white test switch:


What are the guidelines for using test mode?


I assume the machine has to be turned on when the button is pushed. I see it being used to display information via the credit display board in many YouTube videos.


I want to be sure that by entering test mode without being able to read the display Dash I'll be just as easily able to exit test mode.


Do you exit test mode by shutting off the machine? What happens if you shut off the machine while in test mode?

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Re: Credit Display - Double Red White & Blue, IGT S-plus
« Reply #19 on: August 09, 2018, 10:48:03 PM »
The TEST mode is easy to exit, you just shut the door. It is fool-proof as far as I know. Repeatedly pressing the TEST button steps thru the menu system, you should see the menu steps displayed on the front display. When pressing the TEST button like this you are only viewing the test step settings, not changing them. You have to press other buttons or turn the reset switch on the side of the machine to actually make any changes. This is all covered in the IGT document for your SP chip, whatever that is. There are some general TEST mode instructions in the S+ Sticky Notes and How-To Guides.

Here is one write-up that is for SP1271 but it is typical of most SP chips:
http://newlifegames.com/nlg/index.php?topic=514.msg1717#msg1717



Did you verify that the wiring cable from the credit display is in good condition and connected properly at the other end?
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