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Re: Credit Display - Double Red White & Blue, IGT S-plus
« Reply #20 on: August 09, 2018, 10:52:03 PM »



Upon removing the coin mechanism entirely, I discovered the rake is able to move freely. However, someone has bent The Rake in a way to keep it from entering the path of the coin regardless of whether or not it is engaged.


I am going to bend the rake forward so that it freely moves into the path of the coin while at rest, then is removed from the path of the coin when engaged by the comparitor.

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Re: Credit Display - Double Red White & Blue, IGT S-plus
« Reply #21 on: August 09, 2018, 10:57:48 PM »
Yes, that is what I meant earlier when I said check the rake to see if it has been forced or jammed open. That is why your bad coins are not getting sent to the front coin tray. People sometimes do this to the rake to "fix" a problem they can't figure out. But it allows a variety of different coins to end up in the hopper and that can cause hopper coin jams. Normally the rake goes all the way into that slot and rests against the interior coin path wall. That way it causes the coin to be sent to the reject route. Only when a coin is inserted that matches the sample coin does the rake get activated and move out of the way. Normal resting position of the rake is to reject the coin.

Also, on the front lower-right corner of the coin comparitor is a sensitivity adjustment. Use a small screwdriver and turn this all the way CCW (to the left). This will reduce or eliminate nuisance good coin rejections. In the casino they set this adjustment high so quarter-sized slugs won't get accepted, but for home use we want it to be set to minimum sensitivity.
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Re: Credit Display - Double Red White & Blue, IGT S-plus
« Reply #22 on: August 09, 2018, 11:09:30 PM »



YES! YES! YES!   :thank_you: :thank_you: :thank_you:  FIXED.


The Rake was bent out of place and at no point would ever engage any coin. Upon straightening the rake out, it now engages every coin when powered off, and is selective in coin passage when on. Previously it was not selective as to which coins would pass into the hopper, but only selective as to which coins were counted for credits.


Now I have a fully functioning coin comparitor, thanks to ROKGPSMAN !


Works great!
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Now for that test button... I have pressed the white test button with the door open and heard a slight click of the machine. The display did not change from the photo shown previously.


Note, the display will blink off once when resetting after the door is closed.

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Re: Credit Display - Double Red White & Blue, IGT S-plus
« Reply #23 on: August 09, 2018, 11:16:39 PM »
Good job on the rake repair.  :cool_thumb_up:

Repairs on a machine are often step by step by step.

The blinking on the display that you see when you shut the door is a good sign, I think that means your door optic sensors are working ok. One less thing to worry about.

Not sure but the click you hear when you press the TEST button may be the pull handle locking solenoid releasing so the handle can be pulled downward. Pretty sure that is normal and not anything to worry about.

If the front display does not show anything when you press the TEST button then you have to get that display working. Won't be able to use the TEST button and access the Setup/Options/Diagnostics menu system very easily otherwise.

Just to show you something, try pressing the little button in the lower left corner of the coin optic board below the coin comparitor. That should add a test credit to the machine (the same as if you inserted a quarter during normal game play mode when the door is shut). Then press the Spin button and see if the reels spin. All this is done with the door open. This little button is used for testing, is helpful when there are coin acceptance and coin handling problems.


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Re: Credit Display - Double Red White & Blue, IGT S-plus
« Reply #24 on: August 09, 2018, 11:35:17 PM »
Wow, I can't thank you enough. I love that the rake kicks the coins back. Previously if you had stuck in a quarter and it didn't give you credit - it "eat" it. This would cause the player to lose money.   Granted no one is playing for actual cash, but it was very frustrating nevertheless.  Solved.
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I went down and opened the door. I use the small white switch on the comparitor coin optic board and it did load up to three coins for play.  I spun the reals and reloaded a few more coins via the button and spun again. By coincidence I hit a rather impressive payout. Upon closing the door, the door Optics blinked as before and the Machine reset. (I also lost the winnings credits from the comparator button play)


Player play has resumed as usual.


Now the only problem left is that pesky display.
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Re: Credit Display - Double Red White & Blue, IGT S-plus
« Reply #25 on: August 09, 2018, 11:41:37 PM »
Yes, I think your machine is mostly working. Just need to figure out what the deal is with that display. In your earlier posts it sounded like you weren't sure about the display boards being genuine?? Was the replacement display board sold as a tested and working board?  You can post photos of the orig display board and the replacement, we might see something. How does it get connected with wiring, does that look ok all the way to the other end?

Sounds like fixing the rake took care of that problem where the 4th or 5th inserted coin would go to the hopper but you didn't get a credit. After 3 coins are accepted then any additional inserted coins should get rejected back to front coin tray. This includes quarters. (there is an exception to this when the machine has a particular SP chip, but it isn't the usual one installed).

Those test credits you put on the machine with the coin optics board test switch (it is also called the "pseudo coin" switch) will get removed as soon as the door is closed, as well as any credits won. Otherwise someone working in the casino could put some credits on the machine for their friends.   :garfield:
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Re: Credit Display - Double Red White & Blue, IGT S-plus
« Reply #26 on: August 09, 2018, 11:56:23 PM »
I figured that the coins loaded into the machine using the coin optic button would not endure back as live play. I just found it funny that it happened to hit well - then swiped it all away as the door shut. Hehe.


Yes, all issues involving fourth and fifth coin, pennies nickels tokens, etc are now resolved after adjusting the rake back into an operable position. In fact, my first repair to the machine was having to modify the hopper knife. The very teeny tip broke off, likely due to a fat token that had made it past the disabled rake. I quickly learned that although you can adjust the comparator to accept anything from pennies to tokens, the rest of the mechanisms of the machine are not made to do such things.


The display board I received via eBay did not show any signs of lighting up when installed into the slot machine. At first I was surprised because the original still has the "0" as shown in the pictures previously.
I emailed the eBay seller under the suspicion that the board was simply defective. They immediately sent a second replacement board to me and I got the same result. Keep in mind both boards were from the same supplier, so they could both be junk or they're all consistently made wrong. When the eBay seller sent me the second board, they hooked it up to power and send me a picture of the board with each digit showing 8s to indicate the displays worked. ***However that does not necessarily mean that the displays correctly interact with a S plus slot machine***


My guess would be that it was a problem with my machine, EXCEPT that the original board at least this displays something. If the new board was truly the same part, it should behave the same, thus producing the same error


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Re: Credit Display - Double Red White & Blue, IGT S-plus
« Reply #27 on: August 09, 2018, 11:59:46 PM »

Here is a picture of the original display board, connected while the machine is running with the door open.


The single 0 shown, is the same as when the door is shut. Note that the zero does blink off when the machine resets after closing the door.


I will post a picture of the other boards in just a moment.

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Re: Credit Display - Double Red White & Blue, IGT S-plus
« Reply #28 on: August 10, 2018, 12:03:49 AM »

Original board is on left, and has the foam insert.



Original board is on left.

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Re: Credit Display - Double Red White & Blue, IGT S-plus
« Reply #29 on: August 10, 2018, 12:09:42 AM »
Your logic and thinking about the display boards may be correct but I'm thinking there is a greater chance that something else is going on. Some of the S+ parts sellers on ebay are members here, can you post a link to the ebay transaction? If it is one of our guys then to me that is even more reason to trust that the replacement boards are ok and something in the machine is wrong.

Since the machine otherwise works fine then it could be a credit display databus problem from the mpu, then thru the motherboard and then to the credit display board. If the wiring and cabling from the display board is ok then I think you are going to need to pull out the mpu and examine it and the motherboard also. There could be one bad connector or connector contact that is the problem. One edge of the mpu board has 2 large connectors with lots of contacts, one could be bent or broken off.

When you have time it might be good to go back and reread all the posts in this (your) thread. I've added a few things to my prior posts, I like to make them more complete for others that come along later and read them when trying to solve problems with their machine. So sometimes if you read something and think "Why did he expand on that, I know how it works" it is for the benefit of others that may be less familiar.
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Re: Credit Display - Double Red White & Blue, IGT S-plus
« Reply #30 on: August 10, 2018, 12:15:50 AM »
Here's a screenshot of the item I purchased. I prefer to screenshot, since in no time the link to an eBay posting would be broken for future viewers.





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Re: Credit Display - Double Red White & Blue, IGT S-plus
« Reply #31 on: August 10, 2018, 12:18:28 AM »
Those 2 boards look legit to me. Why does the original board have that foam stuff on it? Is it to help block the background light so the board's digital displays look better? Or is it packing foam someone left on there? If it is black conductive electronic foam sometimes used in shipping electronic boards then it should be removed since it is conductive.

I don't recognize the ebay seller's username but his 100% rating is encouraging. Let's see what others have to say about the non-working credit display, there are lots of S+ people here that know far more about them than I do. Give it a day or two, many of the NLG experts have jobs or businesses that keep them busy so they don't get to login as often as the retired guys like me.

You mentioned that some of the wiring harnesses that go from the door to the main cabinet are mashed or being deformed. Some of that wiring is for that credit display. May want to take a closer look at the wiring, back sure no wires have been pinched and broken or have the insulation scraped off and are now touching the metal chassis. Also unplug those large white connectors where the door wiring harnesses connect to the mpu assembly, look at the pin and sockets inside the connectors.

I would follow that wiring cable from the credit display board back to where it goes in the main part of the cabinet. Make sure the wires are ok. And at each connector along the way I'd check the contacts inside the connector.
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Re: Credit Display - Double Red White & Blue, IGT S-plus
« Reply #32 on: August 10, 2018, 03:10:09 AM »
I found this troubleshooting diagram for an S+ regarding the display board. Not sure it exactly applies to your machine because the representation of the display board has an extra digital display. But maybe it will give you an idea of how the display is controlled. The data and control for the display originates in the mpu board and goes thru the motherboard to the display board. So if the wiring cable for the display board is ok then the problem is likely in the mpu board or the motherboard. I think this display board should always work, there isn't a TEST/Setup menu setting that disables it.
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Re: Credit Display - Double Red White & Blue, IGT S-plus
« Reply #33 on: August 10, 2018, 07:05:27 AM »
Update: The machine plays, pays, holds and counts credits, cashes out, and (thanks to ROKGPSMAN) now correctly uses the comparitor coin in.

The :banghead:  PROBLEM  :banghead:  still remains:
The credit display board does not show the correct values.

I have no experience working with computer boards of any kind, aside from unplugging and plugging in the display board on the slot machine.


 :money:  I paid $160, from a guy who was frustrated with the aforementioned display issue. However it plays great!  I don't plan to sell it, but I'd like to know how good of a deal I've gotten.
What is this machine worth as is (with no credit display)?
What is this machine worth if credit meters are working properly?
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Re: Credit Display - Double Red White & Blue, IGT S-plus
« Reply #34 on: August 10, 2018, 07:53:41 AM »
I mustered up enough courage to take the board out.


Here is an overview of the board, and what I assume you may have meant by dip switches.


I have gone through the machine entirely and snugged up every plug connection the hand. Nothing felt loose and it did not change anything.


I'm impressed by how clean the inside of this machine is. I found only a single strand of cobweb when removing the board.


Closely examining the board, I do not see any residue, liquid, rust, wear, or loose pieces.







Note: BlueBlue Dipswitch on board has (1,2,3 ON) (4,5,6,7,8 OFF).


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Re: Credit Display - Double Red White & Blue, IGT S-plus
« Reply #35 on: August 10, 2018, 08:13:09 AM »
.....Here is an overview of the board, and what I assume you may have meant by dip switches.

Note: BlueBlue Dipswitch on board has (1,2,3 OFF) (4,5,6,7,8 ON).


Actually it looks like dipswitches 1,2,3 are ON and the others are off. The little white rocker miniswitch is pressed in at the top of the dipswitch to select the ON setting. These settings on the dipswitch set your max hopper payout to a programmable level, they set your sounds to ON and they set your game speed to NORMAL. Switches 5-8 are for a progressive jackpot and they are all set to OFF because the machine does not have that feature. Since it says max hopper payout=programmable that means you can set it in the white TEST/Setup menus.

EDIT- later we found out that the mpu has a SP1227 chip and it does not use the dipswitch, so it doesn't matter what the dipswitch settings are.

Yes, your mpu looks in good condition and clean.

I think anything under $200 for a clean and nearly working machine with all its parts is a really good deal. The problems it has can be fixed and you will have an enjoyable machine for years to come.

That yellow tape across the large chips is casino security tape. They do that so they will know if the machine has been tampered with. For home use you can remove that tape if you want to. Might want to warm it a little so it loosens easier. Two of those large chips under the yellow tape (the ones with labels) are the SP and SS chips. The other large chip is the cmos ram chip, it holds important data that the machine needs, the battery on the mpu keeps the cmos ram chip alive even when the machine power is turned off.

The SS and SP chips determine how your machine operates, what win percentage it has and what game is installed in the machine (Red, White, Blue). If you can read the chip labels thru the yellow tape we can tell you more about your machine. The numbers on the labels will be something like "SPxxxx" and "SSxxxx".
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Re: Credit Display - Double Red White & Blue, IGT S-plus
« Reply #36 on: August 10, 2018, 08:36:12 AM »
On the edge of the mpu board are 2 large white connectors. Look at them carefully, make sure all of the metal pins (electrical contacts) are good, that none of them are bent or broken off. There's a bunch of them, so take your time. Something is keeping the digital display from working, it could be something with the mpu board or the motherboard or the wiring cable from the display board that connect to the motherboard.

Also, can you post a closeup photo of this part of the mpu board circled in yellow below? It almost looks like there is a jumper for a setting option there and that nearby large chip is one of the communication chips (perhaps the serial data chip for the display board but I'm just thinking out loud?)
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Re: Credit Display - Double Red White & Blue, IGT S-plus
« Reply #37 on: August 10, 2018, 08:54:21 AM »
Excellent observation on the dip switches. I've corrected my original post to reflect your ON/ OFF designation.


Realizing that the switches are truly pressed down and toggle like a seesaw, I understand the dip switch.  (Told ya I was entry level with no experience  :fryingpan: [size=78%])[/size]


I will proceed to carefully remove the tamper tape and take a few close up pictures of the boards, I will also know the correct SSxxx and SPxxx numbers.


Once we know these SS and SP numbers, does that mean they are unique to how the machine pays out and operates? Such that, if you were to replace the one corresponding to payout percentage, with a similar chip of a different number it would behave differently, but appropriately?  OR are the payout controls managed and programmable within the white test button menu with the use of a jackpot key?   My guess is the latter.

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Re: Credit Display - Double Red White & Blue, IGT S-plus
« Reply #38 on: August 10, 2018, 09:02:48 AM »
Don't worry about it, you aren't the first person to misread the dipswitches, it happens more than you think. Your dipswitch is set to the usual settings, so we can check that off the list.

Yes, the SS and SP chips are what determine the operating of the game. The SS chip sets the player winning percentage, it can range from about 85% to about 97% depending on what the casino ordered from IGT. There are many SS chips for your game, you can replace it if you want to lower or raise the win percentage. And the SS chip is where the specific Red, White & Blue game software is. You can replace it if you ever want a totally different game in your machine, but would need to change out the glass and the reel strips too.

The SP chip is sort of like the operational software for the machine, it contains the Setup and Options choices. Knowing the SP number will tell you what those options are. It also contains tests that you can run to check different things on your machine.
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Re: Credit Display - Double Red White & Blue, IGT S-plus
« Reply #39 on: August 10, 2018, 09:04:55 AM »
Zoomed in photo of the chip you requested. This is not a new photo, buy just a magnified of the original.


I will take new, unique photos of each chip including the S P & S S when I return home in a few hours.




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