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Re: How to use a PE+ wingboard
« Reply #40 on: March 16, 2022, 03:01:50 PM »
2298 - this should be the same setup Tilt has

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Re: How to use a PE+ wingboard
« Reply #41 on: March 16, 2022, 03:08:36 PM »
If you have changed out your capx twice and the results are the same..... then its something else.
I would try changing your other graphics chips.



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Re: How to use a PE+ wingboard
« Reply #42 on: March 16, 2022, 03:13:49 PM »
I have the original set of MBO/MXO/MGO/MRO 2275.  are you saying that I should try them and see what happens?

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Re: How to use a PE+ wingboard
« Reply #43 on: March 16, 2022, 03:17:26 PM »
Worse case is that your graphics look worse...... you can always swap back.....
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Re: How to use a PE+ wingboard
« Reply #44 on: March 16, 2022, 03:55:52 PM »
BINGO!  I can now play 5 games after putting back in the original graphic chips.  Game selection board is a mess, but for now I can live with that.  TKXXXXXXXX!

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Re: How to use a PE+ wingboard
« Reply #45 on: March 17, 2022, 12:52:49 AM »
Is there a trick to reinitializing to get the right graphics?  Do I need to do a set chip? 

No, and no.

I'm not trying to be a smarty-pants with that answer, but no, there's no special procedure or programming needed for the wingboard to work -- just compatible chips and possibly moving the previously mentioned jumper.
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Re: How to use a PE+ wingboard
« Reply #46 on: March 17, 2022, 08:38:33 AM »
Moving the 16/17 jumper - no change.  I installed 5 better odds chips, now i will go for my ultimate game list.  Thanks to all, this has been an adventure.  If anybody has the graphics answer for the game selection board, bring it on.

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Re: How to use a PE+ wingboard
« Reply #47 on: March 17, 2022, 01:48:14 PM »
I'm not sure which CG/CAPX set you're using now.  To use CG2298 set the jumper needs to be in J17 position.  Probably for your other 2275 it needs to be in J16.  My non-wingboard multipoker uses CG2174/CAPX2174 and the jumper has to be in J16 anyhow.  Here's a pic of my MPU, you can look at the other jumpers too to see if it matches yours. 

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Re: How to use a PE+ wingboard
« Reply #48 on: March 17, 2022, 02:09:27 PM »
One other thing.  The game you want to play has to be compatible with the CG/CAPX software too.  You can't just toss anything on them and have it work (unfortunately).  Here's a list of what is supposed to be compatible with 2298.  Get a set working first and then experiment with other games.

http://newlifegames.net/nlg/index.php?topic=1418.msg11611#msg11611

BTW: I just noticed I have a mistake on one of my game labels.  The program for Double Bonus Poker I'm using is X000515P..whoops  :banghead:

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Re: How to use a PE+ wingboard
« Reply #49 on: March 17, 2022, 05:56:59 PM »

I have tried all permutations of 2298, 2275, 1321, 2298, switches 16 & 17. (like what you have) no better results, still a garbled game switch board, and a little video feed onto the games (almost not recognizable).  It Plays, and I am happy.  the only difference is the miniboard you have for the capx.  If you wake up in the middle of the night with the answer, post it.    THX

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Re: How to use a PE+ wingboard
« Reply #50 on: March 17, 2022, 06:08:52 PM »
OK.  Well if you want I'd be glad to check your software for you if you want.  No charge other than postage to get it back to you.

That's an adapter I have for the CAPX chip.   It lets you use a 27C512 EPROM in place of the hard to find and program real CAPX chip.  There's a lot of information about it on the old NLG board.


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Re: How to use a PE+ wingboard
« Reply #51 on: March 17, 2022, 06:12:57 PM »
The mini board is simply an adapter.
The small chips used for CapX are not made anymore and blanks are not too common to comeby.
It also takes a special Eprom burner to write one, but most can read.

The hack is to get a 27c256 chip which can be read/written even with the cheapest of burners and make an adapter.
Instructions to build this board can be found in one of the posts.
This allows you to backup your CapRoms and re-write/restore them at will.

My suspicion is that you have one of the MXO, MRO, MBO, MGO chips that is either faulty, semi-faulty or mis-labled.

Since you have both PE+ and S+ machines I would recommend you get an Eprom Burner - this will allow you to read the chips and the chip number is in the header of the binary.
They are relatively inexpensive on Ebay, Amazon, AliExpress and simply plug into the USB port of your PC.

The same binaries are used with Mame so at the very least you could compare the checksum of the chip to the checksum of the widely available mame binary





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Re: How to use a PE+ wingboard
« Reply #52 on: March 17, 2022, 06:24:31 PM »
Just a point of clarification.....

I mentioned a 27C256, TILT mentioned a 27C512 but you could even get away with a 27C64 as the binary from a Capx is very small.
The numbers are the memory size of the chips.
The larger the number the more information the chips can hold.

The S+ uses 27C256 ... but you can use a 27C512 and just write the binary to the chip with an offset.
Memory space is read top down but written bottom up. SO if your going to use a 27C512 in place of a 256 then you need to offset where your writing to use the end of the chip.

Why use a larger chip ? you might ask... when I buy chips I might order 40 blanks at a time and its just easier and usually cheaper to buy this way that 4 of a particular version and 6 of another.
The larger ones are then also universal and you can use them for any application and not have to search for a particular size.... where as the 256 version could not be used for the PE+ just the S+
But a 512 could be used for either....









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Re: How to use a PE+ wingboard
« Reply #53 on: March 17, 2022, 06:51:13 PM »
Thanks Jay.  Very true.  I use Winbond W27C512's everywhere I can because they're cheap, fast (45ns access time), and electrically erasable. 

Often it involves creating and writing a larger than original file (writing the same file sequentially), so that it's addressed correctly by the MPU, but that's an easy task with a Hex editor.  I use Hexedit 3.0.  Freeware and works well for editing .bin files.

You could also offset the programming address so it's where the MPU will expect it to be, but I find it easier just to cut/paste the code 1/2/4/8 times and then address jumpers don't normally matter either.






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Re: How to use a PE+ wingboard
« Reply #54 on: March 18, 2022, 07:45:36 AM »
The CAPX2298 is original IGT chip, (I actually found a couple).  I got the 2298 MXO, MRO, MBO, MGO from RB.  You are saying that those may be the culprit and I need a new set? on a 27C512 EPROM.  I have a nephew that can program a chip and (if I have this correct) just send him the chips and files.  Please verify that I have this right. 

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Re: How to use a PE+ wingboard
« Reply #55 on: March 18, 2022, 09:00:00 AM »
You either have a software problem, a hardware problem, or a configuration problem.  I was just offering to help you determine which by testing in a known good system is all. 

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Re: How to use a PE+ wingboard
« Reply #56 on: April 02, 2022, 12:19:36 PM »
THANKS !!!! to everyone on this board who has really helped a "tin horn newbie" take a busted PE+ from not running to a high paying multi game machine that got "2 THUMBS UP" FROM MY WIFE!  Special thanks to Tilt who really got me over the finish line.  The final trick after getting in good CG's was moving the jumper on the 16/17 pin.  Now shopping for a game king to soup up!  VIVA LA Wingboard!

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Re: How to use a PE+ wingboard
« Reply #57 on: April 02, 2022, 12:27:42 PM »
Great to hear you got it up and running, congratulations!  :applause:  Enjoy!

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Re: How to use a PE+ wingboard
« Reply #58 on: April 03, 2022, 11:46:59 PM »
Congratulations on getting it up and running. For the benefit of someone seeing this thread in the future, what was the ultimate issue? Were your CG chips bad?
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Re: How to use a PE+ wingboard
« Reply #59 on: April 04, 2022, 05:43:24 AM »
Yep, CG's were bad.  The  files were put on a 512 chip instead of a 256 chip and that didn't work out very well.  Very happy and learned a whole bunch.  Who says you can't teach an old dog new tricks!

 

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