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Title: The bell works in test mode but not during a handpay
Post by: Nurbo on August 09, 2023, 11:22:43 AM
Hello,

On a S2000 with Hundred or Nothing game kit installed, the jackpot bell works if I go in the test section 4.2.2. Bell, but, when I hit the 7 - 7 - 7 : in fact any wins with this game, the bell ring malfunction...

The DSV sound look like a copy, do you think it can be the problem ?

I'll try to make a video.

Thanks.

Title: Re: The bell works in test mode but not during a handpay
Post by: sixcardmark on August 09, 2023, 11:46:19 AM
Shouldn't have anything to do with the sound simm. Is it turned on? Most people turn it off or remove it. There are 3 settings:

1.  Off
2.  Mechanical Bell on All Pays
3.  Mechanical Bell on Handpays Only
Title: Re: The bell works in test mode but not during a handpay
Post by: Nurbo on August 09, 2023, 12:32:42 PM
The mechanical bell setting is : Mechanical Bell on All Pays

I thinking that it could be the SIMM because the settings are into the "sound" menu.

Vids 1 Mechanical bell in test mode : https://youtu.be/9UQHUkKRIAc (https://youtu.be/9UQHUkKRIAc)

Vids 2 Mechanical bell during a pay: https://youtu.be/oMpA8JXlc_0 (https://youtu.be/oMpA8JXlc_0)

During a pay we can heard : ding......ding.....ding ding ding....ding....ding....instead a : RRriiiinnnnnngggggg   :Scratch-Head:
Title: Re: The bell works in test mode but not during a handpay
Post by: sixcardmark on August 09, 2023, 12:53:32 PM
Well the sound simm is working fine.  :rotfl:
Title: Re: The bell works in test mode but not during a handpay
Post by: Retro tech repair on August 09, 2023, 10:29:50 PM
Don’t think hundred or nothing supports a jackpot bell
Title: Re: The bell works in test mode but not during a handpay
Post by: Nurbo on August 09, 2023, 10:56:35 PM
Do you think it's possible?

I searched on youtube but it returned less and less old results in the search. 4 or 5 years ago there was a lot more video on this "Hundred or Nothing" slot, and now I can only find 4 and no bells on a win, but that doesn't mean anything.

Has anyone already installed this game kit ?
Title: Re: The bell works in test mode but not during a handpay
Post by: sixcardmark on August 12, 2023, 07:37:30 AM
Watched your vid again and I can hear the bell going off.  It's not as loud as the bell test because the door is closed and the simm is playing.
Title: Re: The bell works in test mode but not during a handpay
Post by: Retro tech repair on August 12, 2023, 07:51:39 AM
Watched your vid again and I can hear the bell going off.  It's not as loud as the bell test because the door is closed and the simm is playing.

Would have to check the documentation for the sgchips
Title: Re: The bell works in test mode but not during a handpay
Post by: Nurbo on August 12, 2023, 11:51:43 AM
Good morning,

Tomorrow I check which SG chip is installed, it seems to me SG363 but to be confirmed.

I will also make a video with the sound muted, to better hear the bell.
Title: Re: The bell works in test mode but not during a handpay
Post by: sixcardmark on August 12, 2023, 12:38:58 PM
PSR for SG363 states:

3.2.4 Mechanical Bell Determines when the bell rings. Options are Off, rings for all wins, or rings
for hand pays only.
Title: Re: The bell works in test mode but not during a handpay
Post by: lookes on August 12, 2023, 12:43:34 PM
Try removing the DSV if it is a 1270 board, or the whole mezzanine board if 50X. Maybe it only works with legacy sound.
Title: Re: The bell works in test mode but not during a handpay
Post by: Retro tech repair on August 12, 2023, 12:44:10 PM
PSR for SG363 states:

3.2.4 Mechanical Bell Determines when the bell rings. Options are Off, rings for all wins, or rings
for hand pays only.
Is 363 compatible with 100 or nothing? 

If the bell is working but too weak to hear outside of the cabinet you may want to try a different cabinet io card.
Title: Re: The bell works in test mode but not during a handpay
Post by: Retro tech repair on August 12, 2023, 12:46:10 PM
Try removing the DSV if it is a 1270 board, or the whole mezzanine board if 50X. Maybe it only works with legacy sound.

Sound simm should have no effect on the bell i have ran them In machines with and without a simm.
Title: Re: The bell works in test mode but not during a handpay
Post by: Nurbo on August 12, 2023, 11:19:31 PM
Hello,

I confirm that I use the 363 SG chip.

This is an another vids with sound setup = 0. I also removed the coin tray to hear the bell better.

I tried the bell again in test mode and it works fine. Nothing interferes with its operation or nothing is in contact with it.

I also removed the coin tray to hear the bell better

https://youtu.be/EfYCob_unNM (https://youtu.be/EfYCob_unNM)

This is my only one machine with the bell, but I can test the bell on another machine

Very strange  :Scratch-Head:
Title: Re: The bell works in test mode but not during a handpay
Post by: RB on August 13, 2023, 04:06:48 AM
Have you looked inside the bell? It's annoying to most people especially for home use. It could have some sound dampening material in it.
Title: Re: The bell works in test mode but not during a handpay
Post by: Stayouttadabunker on August 13, 2023, 07:09:41 AM
I'd kill you if you were my neighbor.... :rotfl: :24: :Crazy: :Tongue_Out:
Title: Re: The bell works in test mode but not during a handpay
Post by: Nurbo on August 13, 2023, 09:22:30 AM
HAHAHA, I don't get the triple 7s very often  :dancing_2:
Title: Re: The bell works in test mode but not during a handpay
Post by: Nurbo on August 13, 2023, 09:24:18 AM
Have you looked inside the bell? It's annoying to most people especially for home use. It could have some sound dampening material in it.

Hello Ron,

Indeed I will still disassemble it to check, but as it works well in test mode, there is no "mechanical" reason for it not to work well in game mode  :cool_thumb_up:
Title: Re: The bell works in test mode but not during a handpay
Post by: Retro tech repair on August 13, 2023, 09:25:22 AM
That bell is not ringing properly either its faulty someone tampered with it to make it quiet or your cabinet io card is bad.
Title: Re: The bell works in test mode but not during a handpay
Post by: Nurbo on August 13, 2023, 09:29:39 AM
Thank you all for trying to find the solution, as a reminder, the bell works fine in test mode, show in vids 1

Vids 1 Mechanical bell in test mode : https://youtu.be/9UQHUkKRIAc (https://youtu.be/9UQHUkKRIAc)

Vids 2 Mechanical bell during a pay: https://youtu.be/EfYCob_unNM (https://youtu.be/EfYCob_unNM)
Title: Re: The bell works in test mode but not during a handpay
Post by: Retro tech repair on August 13, 2023, 09:34:44 AM
Thank you all for trying to find the solution, as a reminder, the bell works fine in test mode, show in vids 1

Vids 1 Mechanical bell in test mode : https://youtu.be/9UQHUkKRIAc (https://youtu.be/9UQHUkKRIAc)

Vids 2 Mechanical bell during a pay: https://youtu.be/EfYCob_unNM (https://youtu.be/EfYCob_unNM)

Im going to have to see if i have a jackpot bell laying around I totally lost. I will see if i have one if i do i will see if i can build an identical setup and test.
Title: Re: The bell works in test mode but not during a handpay
Post by: Nurbo on August 13, 2023, 12:21:12 PM
OK thanks !

It is likely that the game Hundred Or Nothing does not support the operation of the bell if the parameter is set to "rings for all payments".
I'll also try setting the setting to "rings for jackpots", I'll have to set the limits in the menu.
Title: Re: The bell works in test mode but not during a handpay
Post by: Retro tech repair on August 13, 2023, 12:23:14 PM
Cant believe i have no jackpot bells left i had a tone of them.
Title: Re: The bell works in test mode but not during a handpay
Post by: Nurbo on August 14, 2023, 12:22:38 PM
Hello,


I put Jackpot Limits at 19,99 (denomination = 0,20 for test).

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yAqk2GcNnRY (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yAqk2GcNnRY)

The bell is ringing for the handpay.

I definitly think that Hundred or §Nothing don't support "Mechanical bell for all pay"  :duh:
Title: Re: The bell works in test mode but not during a handpay
Post by: Stayouttadabunker on August 14, 2023, 09:46:01 PM
Did you try installing a different SB game into this cabinet - to see if the bell works on all wins?
Title: Re: The bell works in test mode but not during a handpay
Post by: Nurbo on August 14, 2023, 11:21:10 PM
Hello,

This is one last test I have to do. But I hink that SB chip does not support the bell for all pays.
After that it's not a problem to play  :Tongue_Out:
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