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Re: S Plus Slant Top - No Codes, medium flashing bottom candle
« Reply #20 on: March 21, 2023, 10:49:42 AM »
Here are some of the photos. Video to come

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Re: S Plus Slant Top - No Codes, medium flashing bottom candle
« Reply #21 on: March 21, 2023, 12:50:40 PM »
I painted the rake GREEN for you.
At the pointed end of the RED ARROW, stick something under the rake to hold the rake fully open, as Jim suggested in Reply #15.
A piece of rubber or some cardboard will work.
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Re: S Plus Slant Top - No Codes, medium flashing bottom candle
« Reply #22 on: March 22, 2023, 04:27:17 AM »
Ok I will try that.... Here is a video of quarters going in

https://youtube.com/shorts/M2CilctPvd4?feature=share
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« Last Edit: March 24, 2023, 08:11:07 AM by shortrackskater »
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Re: S Plus Slant Top - No Codes, medium flashing bottom candle
« Reply #24 on: March 22, 2023, 08:33:13 AM »
The insert coin light is not going out for a second when you close the door.  Machine is not seeing the door closed.  Optics need adjusted or replaced.

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Re: S Plus Slant Top - No Codes, medium flashing bottom candle
« Reply #25 on: March 22, 2023, 12:50:38 PM »
Thank you is there a place to get them or something to show how to adjust them?

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Re: S Plus Slant Top - No Codes, medium flashing bottom candle
« Reply #26 on: March 22, 2023, 08:59:02 PM »
Thank you is there a place to get them or something to show how to adjust them?

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Re: S Plus Slant Top - No Codes, medium flashing bottom candle
« Reply #27 on: March 24, 2023, 08:59:33 PM »
Back in Reply #16 I asked about your display when you close the door and my question went unanswered.

In the video, we can see that the machine is not detecting that the door is closed. We can also see that your belly door is not installed. Unless it has been bypassed, the belly door has a sensor to detect if it is open or closed, and your machine will not play if the belly door is not installed.

Install the belly door and then please address if the display changes when you close the main hatch door.
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Re: S Plus Slant Top - No Codes, medium flashing bottom candle
« Reply #28 on: March 25, 2023, 05:44:53 AM »
ok great I will report back today with a few things

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Re: S Plus Slant Top - No Codes, medium flashing bottom candle
« Reply #29 on: March 25, 2023, 09:32:32 AM »
unlike upright machines, which typically have one set of optics and typically one or two sets of a switch loop , cash can, belly door,
the slant top has many switch loops, panel underneath the arm rest, some have overflow door switches, the top award glass has a cherry switch and on some models, the bill validator door . any one of these being open  can prevent the main door optics from operating.

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Re: S Plus Slant Top - No Codes, medium flashing bottom candle
« Reply #30 on: March 25, 2023, 12:39:33 PM »
ok everyone here is the update as of March 25th at 2:30pm. I have tried a few things as requested and here is what I found:

- Tried inserting a piece of cardboard to hold the "slot rake" open when putting in coins and that did nothing and there were no error codes that displayed
- If I push the white little button it adds a credit, pushing again adds another etc... Once I have 3 credits then I push the spin button and the machine spins and functions. I cannot add coins and pushing that button puts credits in and allows me to spin the machine - see my first attached pic
- Opened the bill acceptor to make sure the door was closed. It was and made sure it was firm
- Looked at the door optics and they seem to me aligned.
- Closed all the door and "belly" doors and when latched the machine went blank, candle light went out and then the reels spun, insert coin light came up and "0" on the coin display. After inserting coins they still got rejected. (see video link) https://youtube.com/shorts/c2b2eoYs1fs?feature=share
- One thing I did not towards the back of the machine was 2 wires off? and one of the optics for the door looks like it was capped off (see pics)

I feel like I am REALLY REALLY close here to getting this working and have NO ERROR CODES on the display
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Re: S Plus Slant Top - No Codes, medium flashing bottom candle
« Reply #31 on: March 25, 2023, 01:25:03 PM »
Door optics are now working!!  Try putting a different coin in the comparitor and turning the adjustment knob on it almost all the way counter clock wise.

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Re: S Plus Slant Top - No Codes, medium flashing bottom candle
« Reply #32 on: March 25, 2023, 01:30:32 PM »
Hi Doug,

Yes, you're getting significantly closer now. The fact that the Coins Played display goes blank for a few seconds after you close the door is a very good sign. That indicates that the machine is correctly seeing the doors as closed and should be ready to accept a coin.

As such, I wouldn't focus on the loose wires you've found. The red ones that are capped off are likely in line with the rest of the optics loop, but again your optics are working correctly since you're seeing proof of that when you firmly close the door. I know you said you've tried adjusting the sensitivity on your coin comparator, but that's where I'd be looking again. Also ensure that your sample quarter is seated properly. I can't tell for sure if it is or not in your picture. Here is a video I made a while ago about seating the coin and adjusting the sensitivity. While my video is from an upright machine, it still applies here:



As was suggested earlier in the thread, too, would be to shim the rake open. If you do that, coins will be accepted into the hopper of the machine no matter what, and you can see at that point if they give credit or not. If after you've shimmed the rake back and they're still being rejected to the coin tray, you haven't successfully shimmed the rake.
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Re: S Plus Slant Top - No Codes, medium flashing bottom candle
« Reply #33 on: March 25, 2023, 01:52:46 PM »
" Tried inserting a piece of cardboard to hold the "slot rake" open when putting in coins and that did nothing..."

Yeah, but which way did the coins fall? Into the hopper, the coin tray, or the drop hole?

Sounds like it's time to check if the encoder IS the correct sized one for quarters, rather than for the larger casino tokens.
You can see in the photo I've attached below that the quarters would probably miss the optic holes on the left, if the token encoder guide is installed. The "B" optic is the furthest hole to the left.
The correct encoder for quarters would be the bottom one.

Anyways, if good, then the popsicle stick test should be done to confirm if the ABC optics are any good?
The coins that are falling thru it are NOT registering credit data from the CC to the MPU.
The popsicle test would be on page one of the Self-Tests #10, 11, and 12.

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Re: S Plus Slant Top - No Codes, medium flashing bottom candle
« Reply #34 on: March 26, 2023, 05:20:02 AM »
Yes with the rake open the coins fell into the hopper and there were no errors that came up. They did not register a credit on the coin meter though either.

I think I forgot to add that part in my notes

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Re: S Plus Slant Top - No Codes, medium flashing bottom candle
« Reply #35 on: March 26, 2023, 02:09:14 PM »
You also forgot to tell us if you have the right encoder installed in between the sandwiched coin-in optics?
Put that in your notes too  :fryingpan:

Pull out whatever you have stuck in there to hold the rake open....time to run the popsicle tests.
For your information, the coins are supposed to fall into the hopper - if held open or
down into the coin tray - if closed.
If the hopper is full to the top with coins, the coins touching the grounding bolt makes the coin soleniod gate open to direct coins down into the drop hole.

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Re: S Plus Slant Top - No Codes, medium flashing bottom candle
« Reply #36 on: March 26, 2023, 04:48:27 PM »
I asked him about the coin optics block in reply #11.  No response.


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Re: S Plus Slant Top - No Codes, medium flashing bottom candle
« Reply #37 on: March 27, 2023, 03:24:16 PM »
Thanks everyone I will report back in what I find for the encoder as I have been on the road for a couple days. I will also perform the "popsicle test"

Thanks and appreciate all the help

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Re: S Plus Slant Top - No Codes, medium flashing bottom candle
« Reply #38 on: March 30, 2023, 11:28:28 AM »
Thank you all back in town and going to do the "popsicle" test. Can someone point to the step by step to do that? Also I am not sure if I am following the ABC optic tests.... I am so sorry as this is pretty new to me and to you guys it is old news so understanding the language all the time on what buttons to push and what it should be during the test is what I need...

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Re: S Plus Slant Top - No Codes, medium flashing bottom candle
« Reply #39 on: March 30, 2023, 01:40:09 PM »
The popsicle test basically tests the ABC optics.

First understand the coin path.

You drop a coin into the front slot of a S+
The first test is the coin comparitor - if the metal properties of the coin match then the coin is considered accepted and if not its considered rejected.
At this point the coin is still falling and then gets to the optic(s) sitting directly below the coin comparitor.

Assuming the coin is free falling it passes by the optics - there are 3 sensors.... A,B & C.
When the two sides of the optics see each other its considered a closed circuit (1) and when the coin passes by A, that optic will change from a 1 to a 0 showing that the line of sight path is broken.
The coin continues to fall and does the same with B and finally C. After the coin passes each sensor it goes back to a 1. The sequence of open to closed must be A,B,C and it must be done at a certain rate of speed. (yes - If earths Gravity changes then it will impact a lot of slots - like that is our biggest worry if Gravity does shift on us).

This is a security measure, as one way of cheating was to hook up a string to a coin (thus the term stringing) - this will pass the metals test by the comparator, it might pass the optics test and give a credit, but the moment that coin reverses (as someone pulls back the string) the sequence of ABC is reversed and you get CBA and as such a 21 error (Coin in TILT). Early slots with mechanical mechs could be beaten by putting in a stick and early optic sensors were singular so they could either be beaten by a stick or a light pen to momentarily blind the optic. First attempts to beat the stick was to make a complicated coin path so the stick would not make it to the optic.  The combination of the comparator and the optics made the slot pretty theft free.

Getting back to the falling coin.....
Once its passed the optic there is a Rake (metal diverter) that gets pushed back by a solenoid provided that it has passed the comparator test and successfully passed by ABC at the right rate of speed.
If either of the two tests fail then the solenoid doesn't engage and the coin free falls into the coin tray rather than the hopper.

A common problem with the older slots (most S+ made in the 80s are now 40+ years old) is that the solenoid can burn out (age) and many (including casinos) simply wire tied back the rake and and allowed all coins to go to the hopper. This caused other issues like coin jams when someone started feeding in a bunch of pennies or dimes instead of quarters that all got dropped into the hopper as they would not fit properly on the hopper wheel and would occasionally get jammed. Worse case is they got behind the hopper knife (especially dimes) and bent it so coins would not fall out properly or a large coin like a dollar token could break off the hopper optic. Usually large coins got blocked by either the insert at the top of the machine or the optics as they are spaced and sized for different coin types.

Digressing here if you have a 21 error that won't go away - its likely because the optic board is either dirty or bad.
The popsicle test simply allows you to use a popsicle like stick through the coin slot that will in-turn block each optic and make it go from a 1 to a 0 and removing the stick makes it go from 0 to 1.
This will identify which optic is bad. You can then try cleaning it with water and a qtip. Don't use alcohol as it will cloud the optic and damage it.

Coins are dirty and dirty optics can be cleaned. Next to the stack of coin buckets there was always finger wipe packages.
From a casino perspective - Hail TITO (no more dirty coins, no more hopper jams, no filthy coin buckets that people used as spitoons and ashtrays, dumped drinks into or literally used as a bathroom because they would not leave their slots).  Big savings here from a casino perspective. I do like the ping ping ping noise of coins hitting the tray.

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