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**Reel Slots** Gaming Machines => Bally Reel Games => Topic started by: ElCoyote on July 11, 2015, 08:54:28 AM
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Hello everyone!
I am new to this site and i really enjoying Arcades, Pinballs, Soda distributors, and now slots machines since im 6 years old, I have few arcades classics that im holding since a long time ago and i really enjoying repairing them, i am not a pro or a qualified technician, but i am a refrigeration technician who love theses little treasures! Everything i know i learned by myself getting infos here and there from everywhere.
Here is my little list of machines im holding since a long time ago reminds me the good old time when i was playing with them in the 80's
- Space Invaders Pinball
- Joust Cocktail Table
- Gottlieb Hot Shots
Now that you know me a little bit more, im asking people who have any information about a slot machine i just got few weeks ago.
Bally Golden Continental model E-1275
I checked everywhere on the web and all i can say it is very hard to find informations, manuals and parts distributors for this machine.
If you have any informations that you want to share with me it will be really appreciated! I speak French and English.
Thank You!
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well that looks like a beautiful machine what seems to be wrong with it maybe we can help you
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Welcome to NLG, ElCoyote.
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One of the guys on here goes by name of Jancsi, he lives in Europe, owns and has worked on a few Bally Continentals. He and others here are familiar with them. Just post what it is doing or not doing, and often pictures are very helpful for people to get an idea of what the problem could be so don't be shy about adding photos to your postings.
Here is a recent thread about a Bally Golden Continental E-1275 he has.
http://newlifegames.com/nlg/index.php?topic=6002.0 (http://newlifegames.com/nlg/index.php?topic=6002.0)
Welcome to NLG!
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How long have you been 6 yeas old?
Dave F
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What's the problem with your machine?
I have one Golden Continental.
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What's the problem with your machine?
I have one Golden Continental.
Nothing work when I turn it on, just few lamps inside cabinet, sometimes it show 00 inside credit panel, I can ear sounds if I press the test button then I have to turn it off because it stay stuck on on a loop at last sound.
Checked every contacts, plugs to see if some pins are darkened, removed all chips from board to clean every single pins on them and everything is nice and clean, I am waiting on my 3.6v battery, the old one has leaked and caused some little damage on the board but noting serious.
All fuses are okay and they correspond to what it should be, maybe it is a power supply failure or ram, 5101 Cmos chip are very sensitive to ESD or they burn frequently, there is no hopper on that machine at that time it was illegal in Canada.
Have a good day!
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How long have you been 6 yeas old?
Dave F
Haha! No... Sorry if my English is a little bad, I was trying to say I started playing arcade games at 6 years old, using a wooden crate of Coke to climb on it to play them. Im now 42 and still a gamer!
:soapbox_3:
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Thats quite ok my friend .... I played my first coin op at the same age in a country store and it was a penny slot gumball vender. Also standing on a case of soda so I could reach it.
Dave
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On the door inside in machine has small red digital display.
This machine is written to the error codes to this small display and when you push test button test steps and Audit value too.
In my machine isn't hopper too, but it's original the factory state,
It says the manual too.
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Push and hold bottom Display button to write error code to internal display.
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There is 3 button on the right side of the machine: "Test", "Reset" and "Display" nothing happens when i press and hold them... the only sound i can get is when i press the TEST button on the sound card, it does few sound and stay stuck on the last one "Loop" sound like an alarm failure sound.
Credit and Coin staked sometimes does not lit when i power on the machine, i need to power on/off few time and it show 0, clicking the micro-switch credit does nothing, no credit count. Also there is 2 optical reader that light up everytime i turn on the machine for 5 seconds on the reels 2 and 4, 1 and 3 does not lit at all.
Here is the code i get on the display, looks like something wrong with U5, but is it a valid code? I have no idea.
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That's not valid eror code.
I Think it's Power Supply or Cpu problem, maybe Ram problem.
Power Supply voltages are ok? 5V and 10-11V?
My machine has E-2000-cpu board.
Your machine has also too E-2000 Cpu board:?
Try pull 2 ram chips and eproms and reseat it into socket.
My reel readers lamp light only , when I put credit into machine. (when no credit not light)
Check also small bulbs and big resistor on reel reader boards, lamps are serial, one bad not light another bulbs,
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4 reel readers lamps 50V are paralel (on reel reader board serial 5 bulbs and big resistor ) 50V signal come from reel mech control board 15 and from J1 27 on IO board..
All reel readers must be light up at same time,
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Here is more pictures of boards installed, Cant be certain if thoses board come from a E2000 model.
I have removed old battery and put the new one inside a battery holder, checked on P.S.U board and i got 5v DC, but i have no idea where to check other voltages like 10v and 11v
There is a 5101 CMOS ram with a pin that have been repaired, someone has soldered the broken pin back on it. (See picture). I have removed every chip that are installed on a rack, pulled them and used a sand cloth to clean pins on them (Did that 2 times) to be sure there is no bad connection due to corrosion.
If i can check all voltage, i will be able to focus on something else, but i need to know where to check.
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This CPU is E2000 cpu board i was original in my machine too.
On Power Supply on the first picture,
There is 4 meesing pont GND +5V ZC (zero crossing) and +UR (10-11V go to cpu and IO panel 7805 -s power source)
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Checked test clips on the PSU board and everything looks fine, TP1 + GND = 5.05v, TP2 + GND = 7.37v, TP4 + GND = 10v
Also checked on I/O board test clips + and - it give me 5.14v here is a picture where test clips are located. I suspect 5101 Ram, because they dont have exactly the same number on them, and one has a repaired broken pin on it, so i ordered new ones.
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Maybe ram but not sure.
Heve you oscilloscope to check data and address bus and other signal.
On CPU bard hats 2 pc-s 7805. This output voltage ok. 5V.
Pull out 2 ram chip. give always same ram error code on internal small display 1 or 2 ?
By ram failure give error 6 too..
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I do not have an oscilloscope, i hope i will find the problem without it... I have removed all the rust on the bottom of the machine and code is now more weird that ever on the display, i have few more ground to check.
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When pull out 2 ram chip, give always same ram error code on internal small display 1 or 2 ?
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Hello!
I've removed the 2 ram chip 5101 close the the battery, and i got the same error code (see picture above). when i cleared the bottom of the machine from rust i saw another error code, very strange but it never come back again. For now im checking all continuity with grounds connection, some of them have a little bit of resistance due to small oxydation on internal body of the machine.
I have only one LED panel to see code, you talking about 2, where the second is supposed to be located? Maybe one board have been removed in the past, or it comes with the hopper module wich i dont have.
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To this small display in your photo need write the error code.
Another display in front on upper door write credit and winnings values.
Check power supply connector (maybe burnt it ) and bad soldering on power supply or cpu power connector and 2 7805 on cpu board.
Check 2 7805 output voltage too on CPU board , it should be 5.0 V.
Power supply GND in my machine is on internal body of the machine.
Try pull out the cable on cpu board (down ,right) which go to IO boards, it makes any change?
Hopper anfd hopper module wasn't in Golden Continental, in factory state.
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Well, now im sure every grounds (flat braided cables) are all okay, i removed one that was bad and made sure all boards ground are touching the body of the machine. Tomorrow i will check every 7805, i have some in stock if one of them is defect it will be replaced immediatly. here is a picture of a 7805 i just want to make sure i will test them correctly, the + is the one marked with a little triangle right?
Since i have removed rust from the bottom and checked every ground, repaired one of them, the coin display on the top front door dosen't lit anymore, before i do the job sometimes it was turning ON showing zero's on display, turned on/off the machine few times to see if i will come alive like it does before, but no luck. I just hope i did not ESD on something while working on that. Also, the code is now a little brighter on the signal panel the first zero is brighter and small dots are clearer that before.
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Check the ribbon cables from the I/O board to the MPU. Be sure pins are not bent or broken.
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7805 left leg input voltage ~ +10V center leg GND right +5.0V
When cpu good in this display count 5 6 8 on reset cycle, or power on.
When press reset button the display make any changes ?
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PSU give me good results, voltage is okay on the test loops, 7805 on it also give me +5 and +10v.
Both I/O board 7805's are giving good results, +5v and +10v and test loops give me 5v. Also every 7805 are OK on every boards including sound boards.
Pressing TEST button 1-8 times does nothing, same with RESET and DISPLAY.
There is 2 I/O boards on that machine, they almost identical, i have switched them saying to myself maybe the guy before me misplaced them but nothing has changed, I have placed I/O boards at the same place on the photo you posted exactly like your machine, still same results, so i am waiting on 5101 ram to see if something will change.
Here is pictures of I/O board i got.
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Not will change with another ram.
It's not ram problem.
Without RAM need give error code 1 or 2 or bad ram 6 error code.
Try out: leave only power supply connector and upper connector on cpu , which go to 6 digit internal display, alll other pull out.
It makes any change?
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Hello Jancsi!
I checked voltage on each fuses, here is what it should be and what i got:
Fuse 1: 9.5v got 3.69
Fuse 2: 7.5v got nothing
Fuse 3: 1v got nothing
Fuse 4: 50v got nothing
Fuse 5: 9.5v got 4.16v
Fuse 6: 100/110v got 120v wich is normal for my country.
Looks like the problem come from the power transfomer
I have received my 5101 ram, changed both of them... like you said its not a ram failure.
Im out of idea, i have checked to see if i can get a power transformer but cant find any on the web. Is it possible the crystal quartz is defect and cause a voltage failure?
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You check AC voltage on Fuse?
Check Fuse holder temperature. Not hot?
Check voltage on power transformer input and otput voltage. too.
input need 110-120V
Otput
H-I -> 10V AC
J-K ->54V AC
K-L -> 1V AC
K-M -> 8V AC
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Yes i checked AC voltage on fuse see above message, 3 of them have no power.
Temperature on fuse holder is not hot, some of them are a little warm but not really hot, like the power transformer just a little bit warmer than body temperature.
Output voltage on power transformer give me this:
H-I = 3.59v (normal is 10vac)
J-K = 3.6v (normal is 54vac)
K-L = 0 (normal is 1vac)
K-M = 0 (normal is 8vac)
Trying to see if i can find a brand new power transformer or a used one that works but no luck! What is weird is every 7805 give me 10v and 5v when i check power transformer it give me 3.59 (H-I) and 3.6V (J-K).
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Transformer input voltage cheched?
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Here is the result of the Input/Output voltage, i wrote down a lille schematic of what it should be and what i get when testing voltage.
There is a wire that goes to the 220v beau plug that is unplugged to the system (G) Red/white stripped wire #57-9 on Bally schematics. Maybe someone has replaced the beau plug and missplaced this wire?
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My transormator picture.
My machine is 220V, at factory.
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Above the fuses is your power supply board. Have you cleaned the pins and reseated the Molex connector to the pins? Are there any brown or burnt connections on the plastic Molex connector that would indicate a bad connection? Have resoldered all the pin solder joints?
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I have only one internal display for error codes, it is located on the door upper left side.
Here is the codes I'm getting while progressing on this machine, I think there is something missing behind the reels, there is no plug at left side of the reel support.
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This is not error code.
Your CPU not working, or you have cable problem.
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You right, there is something wrong with that CPU, I did a lot of work to be sure everything is clean, like pins on chip or connectors, wires, checked voltage on every 7805, etc..etc..
"Error codes" changed few times during my checkup letting me think I'm getting closer and closer, but none of them are valid codes, Im gonna see if I can find a CPU for this machine.