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**Reel Slots** Gaming Machines => IGT S and S-plus Reel Games => Topic started by: Cashen87 on December 03, 2016, 08:35:58 AM
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Hello :wave: . I have a IGT s plus Double double diamond slot machine whit coin comparitor issue. My coin comparitor want accepted coins. They goes thru the coin tray all times. I have a norwegian 1 krone sampel coin inside. I have tested the coin in optic 10_1 - 11_1 and 12_1. When I put some small paiper in the encoder then its change from 1-0. Maybe I have wrong coin comparitor inside the machine. The coin comparitor are CC 16 E/ 100 2.6G IGT. :EmoticonHelp4:
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What coin comparitor are you need to accepted norwegian 1 krone and coin encoder? I have igt s plus made in 1989. I want my machine to accept norwegian 1 krone :EmoticonHelp4:
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if it has an existing coin comparator then you just need to put the proper sample coin in. If it doesn't, then I believe you need a 13v, 16D model coin comparator
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Thanks :cool_thumb_up:
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When i blocked the rake on the coin comparitor then they go thru the hopper and I get 21 error. When I closed the door the 21 error are gone. When I remove the blocking from the rake its go thru coin tray no error 21 shows.
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Looks like error 21 is related to the coin in issue. Do you have another type of coin or token you can try, like a US quarter, in case it is related specifically to the Norway coin for some reason? Perhaps for the coin comparitor to work the sample coin has to have some ferrous properties since that is how the comparitor works, by measuring how the sample coin affects a magnetic field. Just a guess.
http://ohiogamingslots.com/error_codes (http://ohiogamingslots.com/error_codes)
But this doesn't seen likely, since you blocked open the cc rake, allowing the coin to drop straight thru to the coin optics. Have you taken the coin optic boards off and cleaned the optic sensors, maybe they are dirty? However they are probably ok since they passed the test when you inserted a small piece of paper and the diagnostic changed.
Also, in between the boards there is supposed to be a spacer that causes smaller coins to shift to one side to make sure they pass thru in front of the coin optic sensors. If that spacer is missing the coin may not be passing in between the coin optic sensors. Sometimes people have that problem when they are using nickels or other smaller coins on a machine. If you are using the 1 Krone coin it is about the same size as a US nickel, I'd try a 5 or 10 Krone coin and see what happens, they are closer in size to a US quarter.
Here is what that coin spacer looks like:
http://www.spininc.com/03005-0 (http://www.spininc.com/03005-0)
I don't know if that coin comparitor is the correct one for your machine, do you have another one you can try, maybe borrow from another machine?
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It might be the rake solenoid is bad. When you had it blocked open, did you try with door closed? There's a little test button on the optic. With the door open you can add credit and spin reels.
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The coin in optic are brand new. I have tested the white small button on the coin in optic. They give me credit when I push on it. The spacer in the coin in optic are 5 cent encoder.
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The coin in optic are brand new. I have tested the white small button on the coin in optic. They give me credit when I push on it. The spacer in the coin in optic are 5 cent encoder.
ok, that is good.
(it probably would have saved some time and helped if you'd let us know that in the beginning) :wave:
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I don't understand what you mean... :Scratch-Head:
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So then the coin comparitor CC 16 E/ 100 2.6G are wrong cc to my IGT S+
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If we knew your coin in optics are brand new, that you had tested the little white button to see if you could add credits with it, then we wouldn't have spent time making the suggestions that we did. All of that is useful information.
It is helpful if you tell us what all you have done so we can eliminate some of the troubleshooting possibilities and ideas that don't apply.
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I have change coin in optic, wiring back to the coin assembly , all 3 fuse and cc harness.
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Looks like error 21 is related to the coin in issue.
FWIW, a 21 error is expected if the rake is blocked and the coin is dropped in while the door is open, which is what I got out of Cashen87's message in Reply #4 (http://newlifegames.com/nlg/index.php?topic=13841.msg74461#msg74461). The machine isn't expecting a coin to be able to pass through the optics when the door is open (the coin comparator should be disabled), so it throws a coin-in error.
Do you have another type of coin or token you can try, like a US quarter, in case it is related specifically to the Norway coin for some reason? Perhaps for the coin comparitor to work the sample coin has to have some ferrous properties since that is how the comparitor works, by measuring how the sample coin affects a magnetic field. Just a guess.
I agree with this. If you have access to any other coins/tokens of similar size, try those in the machine to see if you can get acceptance and credit. Make sure to turn the sensitivity of the comparator to its minimum so it's less likely to reject coins. Here's a visual on that adjustment: http://newlifegames.net/nlg/index.php?topic=10759.msg93615#msg93615 (http://newlifegames.net/nlg/index.php?topic=10759.msg93615#msg93615)
MODERATOR'S NOTE: I have merged in a few posts related to this specific issue that were posted in a different thread. Scroll through this entire thread again, please, to see the additional posts that were added. In particular, there is a question right now as to whether or not the OP has the proper Coin Comparator installed in his S+ machine. -knagl
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I have read some place you can remove Q4 from the coin in optic. I have some little little black chip or what the are on Q4 on my optic board :Scratch-Head:
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Thanks knagl :cool_thumb_up: I will check that tomorrow when I comming home from work...
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Hello. What happening If i remove the Q4 from the coin in optic board? I have read some place you can remove the Q4 :Scratch-Head:
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an S+ requires a 24 vac cc-16, you can tell by the grey wires going to the rake coil.
If you want to get your machine working for no money invested, remove Q-4 from the optic board ( it is a surface mounted transistor). this will allow you to shim out the rake and the machine should operate as advertised. If it does work like this, remove the shim, and see if the cc-16 is working, if the coins go to the tray, the cc-16 is not working, check the setting as was mentioned earlier, full ccw. if either work then shim out the rake and continue using like this. the only noticeable difference would be the max coin insert, the machine will accept additional coins, but they will be returned after the game play as a payout.
other than that you won't notice any difference.
Hope this helps
JIm
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How do I do the full ccw setting as was mentioned earlier? :Scratch-Head:
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He's referring to the sensitivity adjustment screw on the face of the comparator. Use a small screwdriver, turn it to the left as far as it goes, but don't force it to hard
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Are the door optics working and is the cash can door switch closed?
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Yes, the door optic works...
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He's referring to the sensitivity adjustment screw on the face of the comparator. Use a small screwdriver, turn it to the left as far as it goes, but don't force it to hard
pic of sensitivity adjust screw:
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Before you go and chop off the Q4, I don't think you've proven that there's anything wrong with your coin-in optics. I'd wait to make a modification.
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Hello. I contact the person I buy the machine from and he told me to get new 5 cent coin encoder because he had used a screwdriver I the hole on the encoder and wide them out :hissyfit: so I have to buy new 5 cent encoder because its damaged.
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Hello. I contact the person I bye the machine from and hi told me too get new 5 cent coin encoder because hi had used a scruwdriver I the hole on the encoder and wide them out :hissyfit: so I have to bye new 5 cent encoder because its damage.
Can you post a photo of the damaged encoder so we can see how the damage looks?
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How do I post a photo on the site?
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It is real easy. When you are posting a comment/message look below the message input block, down where it says "Attachments and other options", written in green. Click on that and more choices will appear. Then click on "Choose File" and a window will open that lets you select a photo file from your computer or device. After selecting the photo and getting it attached to your message/comment you then click on "Post" at the bottom like always and the comment/message with the photo will get posted.
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5 cent coin encoder
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What is the diameter of the coin you are going to use?
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Norwegian coin (1 krone )
Dim. 21.0mm
Weight. 4,35g
Thikness. 1,7 m
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Here it's a pic of norwegian coin 1 krone
(https://newlifegames.com/nlg/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi66.tinypic.com%2F2ilfrdj.jpg&hash=7e47e2ccd20feeb49bc9fe72b13f6cd01db4ee50)
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What is the purpose of the hole in the middle of the coin, is there an official government reason? (just curious)
Also, does the krone coin have any magnetic properties, what metal is it made of?
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I don't know whay they have a hole in the middle on the coin.
The coin are made 75% Copper and 25% nickel...
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Do you know of other machines there, either in casinos or private ownership, that use the 1 krone coin? I'm not 100% sure your small krone coin has enough of the right metal, especially with the hole in the middle, for the sensor in the coin comparitor to work. It is interesting but probably not your problem. Plus if you know of other slot machines that use the same coin then we can forget about this possibility.
If you have some USA nickel coins (5 cent coin) I'd try them to see what happens. Just put a USA nickel coin in the coin comparitor for the sample coin, then insert another USA nickel coin to see if the machine will add a credit.
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If you have some USA nickel coins (5 cent coin) I'd try them to see what happens. Just put a USA nickel coin in the coin comparitor for the sample coin, then insert another USA nickel coin to see if the machine will add a credit.
:I_agree_1: :agreepost:
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Sorry. I don't have US 5 nickel coin. I don't live in the USA. I live in Norway... we don't have casino in norway
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Why not just put it back to quarter size. You can go to EBay and buy 500, .984mm tokens for like $30 dollars plus shipping. Larger coin easier to handle and being a token won't grow legs and walk away from your machine. Unless you are trying to make money from friends using their money. If yes, you need to be prepared to pay off if they win.
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I dont want my friends play fore real money some they can win price because that are phorbiden in Norway...
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Well, it could be that your coin comparitor is bad and needs replacement. But the problem could also be the Norway coin you are using, so I'd try a different type of coin or even a metal token just to see what happens, and that would probably be easier and lower cost than getting another coin comparitor. Do you have gaming arcades there that use metal token about the size of a US quarter?
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you have isolated your problem to the CC-16! plain and simple. you did this by checking the three optics, and by putting credits on the machine and playing it. the only item you have not checked or proven is the lock out signal that actually turns on the CC-16. you can't see this or check it with the door open. it is only sent when the door is closed and the game is ready for play. you might be able to check this. take out the hopper, remove the coin tray, take out the CC-16 , reconnect it to its harness, should have five connections, 1 and 3 should have a red jumper, 2 should have a violet wire, 4 should have a yellow wire and 6 should have a black wire. the yellow wire is the lock out signal. now with the cc-16 connected to the harness pull it down to the opening where the coin tray would have been, with the door closed, if the lock out signal is there the red or green LED should be on, this will tell you the unit is receiving 24vac. if the LED is on and your coin is still being rejected, then either the cc-16 is bad or the coin sample is not being recognized by the cc-16. either way you will have a 200 pound night lite unless you do something to correct the problem. replace the cc-16, still not knowing for sure if the cc-16 will recognize your coins, or do as I have suggested (remove Q-4 on the optic board, if will not affect how the machine will operate) shim out the rake, and enjoy playing your game.
the encoder should be fine, as long as the surface area is smooth as not to affect the coin sliding across it. the purpose of it is to allow a IR beam to pass to the other optic board.
Hope this helps
Jim
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The coin guide at the optics is damaged. the optic board maybe damaged? The coin guide definitely needs replaced.
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The optic board works. I have ordered a New coin encoder 5 cent from spininc now :cool_thumb_up:
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Sorry. I don't have US 5 nickel coin. I don't live in the USA. I live in Norway... we don't have casino in norway
The person you bought the machine from, what coin was he using in it? Or did he buy it somewhere and resell it without getting it to work? Since there are no casinos in Norway did the machine come from a ferry or another country? If so do you know what coin they were using when it was operating?
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He bought from ebay from finbiro (97). They machine are taken € 25 cent
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My coin comparitor
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Back
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:thank_you: Jim
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How do I remove Q-4 so I don't damage the optic board?
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I usually use a small electronics pliers. just place the pliers on the surface mounted transistor Q-4 and use a slight twisting motion, the transistor will usually pop off. just make sure none of the three legs are shorted together or touching anything else. the legs usually come off with the transistor. just a heads up to double check. when it is all said and done you should have just the three pads remaining where the transistor was located. I have done this to probably well over 500 machines and it does work and it will not affect your machines operation in any way.
Back in the day, in the early 1990's casinos would sell machines, but because of the cost, they kept the CC-16. so we couldn't afford to purchase new CC-16's so had to come up with a way to use a mechanical acceptor or an Imonex acceptor. We discovered that in order to have it work with these type acceptors this component had to be removed. on the earlier optics you had to cut out a diode that was next to a 555 timer, on the next model you had to remove Q-2, and on the latest model you had to remove Q-4. removing this component removed the interaction between the CC-16 and the optic board, optics still function as they should.
Jim
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Thanks Jim :cool_thumb_up:
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Jim, can you post a picture of the removal. I have been coming across a few bad optics lately. Would rather do this instead of replacing.
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Yes. Pitcher of the remove of the Q-4 have be nice :cool_thumb_up: Jim :yes:
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My machine