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**Reel Slots** Gaming Machines => IGT S and S-plus Reel Games => Topic started by: ctash on December 28, 2016, 06:50:02 PM
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Hi guys,
So I get lights, power to reels and speakers. The reels reset their position as usual. But the machine will not accept credits (falls straight through to coin tray). I cleared the RAM and reinstalled the game prom and got error 61. Pressed reset button for 5 seconds and got 61-1. Turned jackpot key and got 65-3. Turned key again and got 65-1. Pressed reset button for 3 seconds, error cleared, closed door, and now insert coin/coins played buttons are alternating flash. Also, credits still go straight to coin tray. Any ideas? Oh yeah MERRY CHRISTMAS AND HAPPY NEW YEAR!! :propeller:
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When you got the 61-1, did you close and latch the door before turning the reset key?
Dave
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Yes, I followed the Ohio Gaming error code directions for all steps.
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The chip doesn't have a bent leg or not inserted correctly? I know this sounds like old hat but, if the chips are not facing the right way etc. multiple errors can occur. Trying to figure out the odd error codes.
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Just rechecked the game and reel chips. All are in correctly.
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Sounds like everything is correct with the alternating lights.
A couple of things to try.
-- Replace coin. Coin has to be in the correct position within the comparitor. Reference picture.
-- Adjust coin sensitivity by turning pot (bottom right of comparitor) clockwise until it stops then turn it counter clockwise until it stops then close door and try again.
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Ok heres some things I tried:
reset coin position in comparator.
turn pot cw and ccw (closed door and tried coins with pot in both positions with same result)
reset denom with set15 after clearing ram.
results are still the same (flashing insert coin/coins played button).
Also like to note that none of the buttons are illuminated including the bill validator (insert bills) light.
Also, this comparator model is a cc-160, 4b with the green indicator light ( which is not lit).
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what type SP chip are you using? with the door open, can you put a credit on the machine using the button on the coin optic board? if you can then your problem is more likely the cc-16, the cc16D should have grey wires going to the rake coil. can you get in the testmode? door open, press the white button near or behind the power on switch.
Jim
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Did you ever answer what Shaggy asked that you closed back the latch that covers the pin to release the door?
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"slots4home", yes I was trying to convey that by referencing the Ohio Games procedure. Sorry for not being clear. Also, I should be back home in a few hours, I will update with the game chip and test mode.
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Ok. I have a SP1271 game prom and I CAN add credits and spin reels with the door open and pushing the button on the comparator. Also, I am able to get into test mode.
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since you can play the machine adding credits, your problem is one of two, the cc-16 itself or the coin optics.or something with the wiring to either. check out the harness going to the cc-16, should have 5 of 6 connections, a red wire looped to two pins, a violet wire, and a black and yellow wire, black and yellow are the power wires 24vac, the violet is the interact between the optics and the cc-16. you could eliminate the optics by running the input test, 10_1 11_1 12_1 , call up this test using the white test button, remove the cc-16, unplug the connector to it. now use something like a Popsicle stick to place in the black encoder (where the quarter would pass) move it eaast and west, should see the 1 change to a zero, do this for 11 and 12 as well, also when on 11, press the button on the optic board should do the same thing. if all these work the optics are good, then the cc=16 has to be the problem.
Jim
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Ok, test 10-1 shows no change. tests 11-1 and 12-1 show change with button on optic board and with popsicle stick.
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you may have two problems, a bad cc-16, and the optics! you probably can get the machine running with out investing any money.
optics, remove Q-2 or Q-4 on the optic board, it is a surface mount transistor located next to an IC. this removes the interaction between the optics and cc-16, it also allows you to replace the cc-16 with some other coin acceptor, mostly used was an IMONEX version.
if after you do that and the coins are not accepted, shim out the rake on the back side of the cc-16, its the coil that has the grey wires going to it. now the cc-16 will accept the coin in this configuration.
Jim
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I removed Q-4 from the optics board and shimmed the rake with a toothpick. Coins fall into the hopper now but no credits are added. I have other machines that I could swap the cc out with but those cc's are totally different than this one (rake motor on front vs. back, 2 plugs instead of 3 etc...). There is a green led light on the cc of the problem machine which is not on. Not sure if it should be lit or not. Thanks for the help thus far. Look forward to a response.
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The green light only comes on with door closed. You can put your phone on video and close the door with it inside to see it work, or not. I see on EBay there is a complete coin in set up for $50. http://www.ebay.com/itm/IGT-S-PE-Coin-In-ASSEMBLY-with-COMPARITOR-Optics-Cable-Etc-COMPLETE-/262784399023?hash=item3d2f2bb6af:g:e6IAAOSwzaJX7b5N (http://www.ebay.com/itm/IGT-S-PE-Coin-In-ASSEMBLY-with-COMPARITOR-Optics-Cable-Etc-COMPLETE-/262784399023?hash=item3d2f2bb6af:g:e6IAAOSwzaJX7b5N)
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after you removed Q-4 did you rerun the optic test? did 10_1 change? check the 10 pin connector on the optics, make sure all the pins are making a good connection, sometimes the pins loose there curve, reshaping them will correct this. are all connections good on the plug where the harness connects to the machine harness?
what is the history on this machine?
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Got a good one for you guys! So, not being all that familiar with the cc or optics, I ended up pulling Q4 off the cc and not the optics board :duh:
Good thing is I then pulled it off the right board and it is now accepting coin credits. Thanks to all who helped!!! Also, does anyone know what the Q4 circuit is for on the cc-16 and if its important, where to get what I think was a transistor?? Lastly, the BV is the next task on this machine. Should I start a new thread or continue on this one. Thanks again!!!
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Heh, that's funny that it's working with a different component removed. I don't know what that does on the coin comparator, but I guess if it's accepting good coins and rejecting the wrong coins, I wouldn't worry about it, especially for home use.
You likely just need to enable the bill validator, which requires a SET chip. Instructions are here: http://www.newlifegames.net/spset/dbv.htm (http://www.newlifegames.net/spset/dbv.htm)
If you need further assistance with the validator, just keep posting in this thread and we'll help you out.
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Thanks! I'll update soon. HAPPY NEW YEAR TO ALL! :waving_flag:
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Now onto the bill validator. This is what symptoms I have:
1. no initial setup when machine first powers on
2. no "insert bill" light
3. does not accept any bills either
4. BV seems to perform some sort of function when the toggle switch on the side is flipped to the test position
I am unfamiliar with this model so I have posted some pics to help you guys out. Not sure if its worth trying to fix as opposed to getting a standard one.
Fixed tiny font issue. -knagl
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Now onto the bill validator. This is what symptoms I have:
1. no initial setup when machine first powers on
What do you mean by that?
I'm not terribly familiar with the Mars/MEI bill validators, but those are newer than most of the validators found in an S+, so you should be good with that -- it may accept a larger variety of newer bills than the JCM DBV or WBA validators typically found in S+ games.
Is your bill validator enabled in the machine? As I mentioned in my previous post (Reply #18 (http://newlifegames.com/nlg/index.php?topic=14159.msg76171#msg76171)), you need a SET chip and need to follow the procedure linked in that post to enable the validator. If it isn't enabled, the light won't come on and it won't attempt to accept a bill.
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In other words, when I turn my other machines on, the bill validator comes on and makes a series of noises before its ready to accept bills. This one does not do anything. The BV is also enabled with set chip.
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as with any bill unit they all have to have a cash can inserted for the unit to start up. this unit uses a plastic pivot rod in the back of the unit. you will see it if you remove the cash can, sometimes it breaks(because its plastic) check this out.
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Checked the plastic rod. Its intact and moves the rollers into the cam on the back of the BV. I noticed when I turn the machine on, I can see red lights flickering inside the BV's bill slot, then one of the motors turns for about a half second, and thats all it does. let me know if you need some more picks of other things, Id be happy to post them.
Update: I went ahead and double checked the bv setting with the set chip and it is on 9-1 with denom set to 5 (nickels). Also, when I switch the 3 position switch on the bottom right from normal operating mode to "calibrate on startup", it seems to cycle completely with a pretty loud bang at the end of cycle. Then, I toggle the switch to the test mode (hold and release) and it flashes the red light inside periodically while turning the feed belts for about 0.5 seconds every 1 second or so (almost like a pulse). With the door open, I can then insert a bill resulting in a 1 time normal function with the bill making it into the cash box like normal. I can toggle the test mode as many times as I want and it seems to work fine, but as soon as I close the door with the switch in either normal op or calibrate on startup, the insert bill light is off and no function from bv. Hope this analysis helps you guys.
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you can run input test # 27_1 this should turn on the bezel lamps and allow a bill to be inserted. your can check the bezel bulbs in the denom lamp panel.
this will also test the signal to the bv. you can pull out the transport unit, flip it over and see if the plcc chip is inserted properly and see if it has S+ on it ?
the only other issue is to follow the wiring from the back of the bv to the power supply, through the power supply to the plug, and down to the mother board connector. one area is the power supply, besides applying power to the bv, it also has the I/O board in it , it is the board that transfers data to and from the bv to the cpu.
Jim
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Not sure how to get to 27_1 as only 27_0 is the only option that shows up in the list of input tests. I checked the chip and harnesses, chip says s+ and is installed correctly and all harnesses seem to be okay. I did toggle the test switch on the side of the bv and then returned it to normal mode. After that it ran the test sequence and the "insert bills" light came on for the first time. So, I know the lights are good, and I know Im getting power to the bv due to the test mode and the pre-mentioned functions in my earlier post.
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Problem Solved!! I did some research and stumbled onto another BV thread when I say "therockinelvis" mention a switch on the inside of the door by the hinge. I flipped it the other way and now its working great!! Thanks to everyone!!
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Ah, that crazy mystery switch. Will never know why it was put there. Glad you found that post. Then again had we seen a picture of the inside door we might have known a while ago. Glad it is working now.
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Me too! Thanks bud!