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Title: Bill validator not working
Post by: Jeffro19 on January 03, 2024, 05:59:13 PM
Trying to get my bill validator to work. When I turn the machine on it runs and make some noises like it is getting power. The lights in the yellow $5 to $100 face up display do not come on.  Is this something that needs to be set up in the settings. It won’t take any bills either. Just really would like the lights to work. I have a BV on /off chip that came with the machine. Any help would be appreciated. Thanks
Title: Re: Bill validator not working
Post by: Stayouttadabunker on January 03, 2024, 07:02:31 PM
I need to see one photo of your acceptor, and whatever label is on your SET chip.
You, need to do some reading...>>>

http://www.newlifegames.net/spset/dbv.htm (http://www.newlifegames.net/spset/dbv.htm)
Title: Re: Bill validator not working
Post by: Jeffro19 on January 03, 2024, 07:28:01 PM
Here is the bill validator
Title: Re: Bill validator not working
Post by: Jeffro19 on January 03, 2024, 07:35:32 PM
Here are the chips I have.  The one in the machine currently is not marked.
Title: Re: Bill validator not working
Post by: Stayouttadabunker on January 03, 2024, 08:42:15 PM
You have a DBV-200...that's ok.
Test it with a one dollar bill....it's a pretty old validator...a one might be the only bill it will accept, but, try re-seating the bill box first.

Watch the [Coins Played] window on the display as you fully push downwards on the door handle latch.
The moment the door latch is down there, whatever number that's in the [Coins Played] window should go out for a few seconds, then come back on.
This means that the door optics are working.
Next, the "Insert Coin" light on the reel glass should come on , as well as the bill validator yellow light, telling you that the machine is ready to accept money.
Title: Re: Bill validator not working
Post by: Jeffro19 on January 05, 2024, 08:06:21 AM
You have a DBV-200...that's ok.
Test it with a one dollar bill....it's a pretty old validator...a one might be the only bill it will accept, but, try re-seating the bill box first.

Watch the [Coins Played] window on the display as you fully push downwards on the door handle latch.
The moment the door latch is down there, whatever number that's in the [Coins Played] window should go out for a few seconds, then come back on.
This means that the door optics are working.
Next, the "Insert Coin" light on the reel glass should come on , as well as the bill validator yellow light, telling you that the machine is ready to accept money.

I have tried a few different dollar bills with no luck. The yellow light is not on so I’m sure that why it is not working. I can see a red light inside where the dollar bills goes and it makes noises when I turn on the machine but the yellow still won’t light up. Would like to get this to at least light up and take 1 dollar bills. Thanks
Title: Re: Bill validator not working
Post by: Tilt on January 05, 2024, 08:15:24 AM
Did you check and see if the validator is enabled and the machine's denomination is set?
Title: Re: Bill validator not working
Post by: Jeffro19 on January 05, 2024, 09:10:02 AM
Did you check and see if the validator is enabled and the machine's denomination is set?

Is this done using the chip that is marked BV on/off?
Title: Re: Bill validator not working
Post by: shortrackskater on January 05, 2024, 09:31:30 AM
Did you check and see if the validator is enabled and the machine's denomination is set?


Is this done using the chip that is marked BV on/off?


Always good to read these! It will help for future issues as well. S plus FAQ's, and how to enable BV within that section. 

- https://newlifegames.com/nlg/index.php?topic=28444.0 (https://newlifegames.com/nlg/index.php?topic=28444.0)
--------- http://www.newlifegames.net/spset/dbv.htm (http://www.newlifegames.net/spset/dbv.htm)
Title: Re: Bill validator not working
Post by: jay on January 05, 2024, 09:56:38 AM
Technically its called a SET chip and should be labled SET 015, SET 021 etc.

If you go to the home page, bottom right is RICKS FAQs there is a section there on how to use a SET chip.
The various set chips have extra features like being able to program progressives etc, and some fancy machines like TOP Dollar have functions that are controlled.
Set 15 is pretty universal for enabling the bill validator.

There is a document called a PSR (Program Summary Report) that says what SET chip is best for your machine.
Your machine has two chips a Game Chip and a Reel Chip. The Game Chip is numbered. The PSR follows the same number.
There is also a PAR sheet (Paytable and Reel) associated with your Reel Chip number. It outlines things like volatility payback percentages etc.
Again See RICKs FAQ about how to display your Game and Reel Chip number and post it back and someone will forward you the PSR.


If your a contributing member we have a downloads section with a number of the PSRs ajd PARs on file.
Title: Re: Bill validator not working
Post by: Stayouttadabunker on January 05, 2024, 02:25:29 PM
Did you check and see if the validator is enabled and the machine's denomination is set?


Is this done using the chip that is marked BV on/off?


Always good to read these! It will help for future issues as well. S plus FAQ's, and how to enable BV within that section. 

- [url]https://newlifegames.com/nlg/index.php?topic=28444.0[/url] ([url]https://newlifegames.com/nlg/index.php?topic=28444.0[/url])
--------- [url]http://www.newlifegames.net/spset/dbv.htm[/url] ([url]http://www.newlifegames.net/spset/dbv.htm[/url])


Nobody read Reply #1 ?
I had put the same link up there on Jan. 3rd? haha
Title: Re: Bill validator not working
Post by: Jeffro19 on January 05, 2024, 03:51:30 PM
Did you check and see if the validator is enabled and the machine's denomination is set?


Is this done using the chip that is marked BV on/off?


Always good to read these! It will help for future issues as well. S plus FAQ's, and how to enable BV within that section. 

- [url]https://newlifegames.com/nlg/index.php?topic=28444.0[/url] ([url]https://newlifegames.com/nlg/index.php?topic=28444.0[/url])
--------- [url]http://www.newlifegames.net/spset/dbv.htm[/url] ([url]http://www.newlifegames.net/spset/dbv.htm[/url])


Nobody read Reply #1 ?
I had put the same link up there on Jan. 3rd? haha


Thanks I will try this tonight. I’m assuming I replace the game chip on the board and assuming it’s the one labeled “game” and not “cmos” or “reel” ?  Just want to make sure I do it correctly. Thanks
Title: Re: Bill validator not working
Post by: jay on January 05, 2024, 04:02:55 PM
Yes - You replace the game chip.
Instructions are in Ricks FAQs.

1. Turn the machine off before removing hopper or the MPU board.
2. Be careful removing the chip - use a small screwdriver at each end and slowly lift it up bit by bit.
3. Note that the chip has a small hole at one end and it is oriented towards the knotch on the socket.
4. Insert the SET chip the same way - ensuring its aligned correctly with the hole and the knotch at the same end.
5. Put the board back in (you can leave the hopper out)
6. Power up
7. Follow the instructions in RICKS to set the denomination.
8. Reverse the process - ensuring you start with the power off... and put the game chip back in.
9. Insert the hoppe

Post back as to how it goes.


Title: Re: Bill validator not working
Post by: Jeffro19 on January 05, 2024, 05:23:37 PM
Yes - You replace the game chip.
Instructions are in Ricks FAQs.

1. Turn the machine off before removing hopper or the MPU board.
2. Be careful removing the chip - use a small screwdriver at each end and slowly lift it up bit by bit.
3. Note that the chip has a small hole at one end and it is oriented towards the knotch on the socket.
4. Insert the SET chip the same way - ensuring its aligned correctly with the hole and the knotch at the same end.
5. Put the board back in (you can leave the hopper out)
6. Power up
7. Follow the instructions in RICKS to set the denomination.
8. Reverse the process - ensuring you start with the power off... and put the game chip back in.
9. Insert the hoppe

Post back as to how it goes.

I went through the settings and set it to 9….1 and the denominations and went great but the validator still doesn’t work and won’t take any bills and the light will not come on the “5 to 100 face up” light.  Not sure where to go from here. Also noticed the small switch when you open the cash box is broke. Pushed it in temporarily but still doesn’t work. Can I buy a replacement for this switch ? Thanks for everyone’s help. Would just at least like to get the lights to turn on :)
Title: Re: Bill validator not working
Post by: Stayouttadabunker on January 05, 2024, 05:46:23 PM
You're only allowed to pick one denomination under page 6 in the SET chip settings.

I wouldn't worry too much about that bill entryway yellow light right now.
Would you have a multimeter to check the lamp to see if it's any good?

Are there any green wires going to that cash door microswitch?
If so, cut the wires off where the tabs go on the microswitch, strip the ends, splice them together wrapping the ends with electrical tape.

Do you know what firmware is loaded into the validator?
Try a one dollar bill....it's the only U.S. bill left that has a small head on it...works on any old bill validator.
You don't know if your bill validator has been updated for the newer bills or not.

Whch microswitch is busted?
Click on photo below to enlarge if needed...>>>
Title: Re: Bill validator not working
Post by: Jim on January 05, 2024, 05:48:05 PM
use the test mode to double check and see if the settings took., press the white test button,until you see a 5-0 or 5-1 or 5-2 in winners paid, scroll through that menu until you get to 9-1 if it is set you will see this,  then advance until you see a 6 in the coins played window, should see 25 in the winners paid, spin reels lit, pressing it , the number will not advance, then it is set.

check the bulbs in the yellow display using the denom socket, power is there as soon as power is applied.
make sure cash can is pushed in all the way, make sure the transport is seated and sitting on the bottom of the shelf assembly, red handle all the way up,  on power up, heavy grinding noise, this is the transport meshing with the cash can, next noise is a softer meshing between the head and transport.

switch should not have any wires on it, they should be bypassed,  that switch is not needed.

hope this helps

Jim
Title: Re: Bill validator not working
Post by: Jeffro19 on January 05, 2024, 05:52:12 PM
You're only allowed to pick one denomination under page 6 in the SET chip settings.

I wouldn't worry too much about that bill entryway yellow light right now.
Would you have a multimeter to check it to see if it's any good?

Are there any green wires going to that cash door microswitch?
If so, cut the wires off where the tabs go on the microswitch, strip the ends, splice them together wrapping the ends with electrical tape.

Do you know what firmware is loaded into the validator?
Try a one dollar bill....it's the only U.S. bill left that has a small head on it...works on any old bill validator.
You don't know if your bill validator has been updated for the newer bills or not.

Yes it has 2 green wires going to the switch. I will just bypass it. Tried lots of dollar bills and it won’t take any. It doesn’t even take the bills in at all. I know it is getting power because it goes through its start up or whatever with all its noises when I turn the machine on. The bulbs are good also. No idea what firmware it has. Just got the machine a few weeks ago.
Title: Re: Bill validator not working
Post by: jay on January 05, 2024, 05:58:01 PM
Did you use the set Chip ?
9 1 sounds like the built in function …

Is the bill ntry light on ? If not it’s not enabled.
Title: Re: Bill validator not working
Post by: Jeffro19 on January 05, 2024, 07:11:03 PM
Did you use the set Chip ?
9 1 sounds like the built in function …

Is the bill ntry light on ? If not it’s not enabled.

It is not on. Yes I used the set chip. Selected 9….1 to enable bill validator
Title: Re: Bill validator not working
Post by: jay on January 05, 2024, 07:20:26 PM
You’re going to need to do it again.
After you changed it to a 1 then you need to either hit spin or turn the reset key to lock it in.
Title: Re: Bill validator not working
Post by: Jeffro19 on January 05, 2024, 07:41:46 PM
You’re going to need to do it again.
After you changed it to a 1 then you need to either hit spin or turn the reset key to lock it in.
Yeah I did it just like the instructions say. Push spin until it says 9…1 which I did. Then turn on machine saw the 61 message pushed the white button until 61-1. Closed the door turned the jackpot key once.
Title: Re: Bill validator not working
Post by: sixcardmark on January 05, 2024, 08:24:52 PM
After you push the spin button to desired denom you must push the test button.
Title: Re: Bill validator not working
Post by: Jeffro19 on January 05, 2024, 08:31:54 PM
use the test mode to double check and see if the settings took., press the white test button,until you see a 5-0 or 5-1 or 5-2 in winners paid, scroll through that menu until you get to 9-1 if it is set you will see this,  then advance until you see a 6 in the coins played window, should see 25 in the winners paid, spin reels lit, pressing it , the number will not advance, then it is set.

check the bulbs in the yellow display using the denom socket, power is there as soon as power is applied.
make sure cash can is pushed in all the way, make sure the transport is seated and sitting on the bottom of the shelf assembly, red handle all the way up,  on power up, heavy grinding noise, this is the transport meshing with the cash can, next noise is a softer meshing between the head and transport.

switch should not have any wires on it, they should be bypassed,  that switch is not needed.

hope this helps

Jim

Quick question once I get to 5…1 how do I scroll through that menu to get to 9..1?   Do I push the one credit button or spin reels or do push the test button again?
Title: Re: Bill validator not working
Post by: Jeffro19 on January 05, 2024, 08:43:39 PM
After you push the spin button to desired denom you must push the test button.

Yeah I did that then selected the denomination then held for 3 seconds like it said to save.
Title: Re: Bill validator not working
Post by: jay on January 05, 2024, 09:05:16 PM
After you save, change away from 9 and then come back and ensure you still have 9 - 1 if its not 9 - 1 then it hasn't saved.
Title: Re: Bill validator not working
Post by: Stayouttadabunker on January 05, 2024, 09:08:12 PM
Quick question once I get to 5…1 how do I scroll through that menu to get to 9..1?   
Do I push the one credit button or spin reels or do push the test button again?
Look at those numbers as pages in a book.
The Test button lets you "scroll" thru the pages to get to the page 5, or the page 9.
The Spin button changes the setting ( which is the second number ) from like a "0" to a "1".
Title: Re: Bill validator not working
Post by: Jeffro19 on January 05, 2024, 09:36:42 PM
Quick question once I get to 5…1 how do I scroll through that menu to get to 9..1?   
Do I push the one credit button or spin reels or do push the test button again?
Look at those numbers as pages in a book.
The Test button advances you to page 9.
The Spin button changes the setting from like a zero to a "1".

I would like to use the test switch to see if it is set to 9….1 to show the bill validator is enabled. Still confused how to get there. First I push the test switch then what. Do I push it until I get to 9…0 or 9…1?  I did this earlier but didn’t see this. At what point to you push the spin reels and other buttons. Just can’t seem to get to the 9…1 by using the test switch. I am doing this just to check the settings. With the game chip still installed. I did the bill validator and denomination setting earlier just want to confirm it is set. Thanks.
Title: Re: Bill validator not working
Post by: sixcardmark on January 05, 2024, 09:47:20 PM
How to get there differs from different SP chips.  After you get to 5 try turning the JP reset key to get to 9.
Title: Re: Bill validator not working
Post by: Stayouttadabunker on January 06, 2024, 06:39:35 AM
On the MPU, the SP chip that's inserted in the GAME socket, what number is it...SP731?
Title: Re: Bill validator not working
Post by: knagl on January 06, 2024, 11:42:10 PM
Yeah I did it just like the instructions say. Push spin until it says 9…1 which I did. Then turn on machine saw the 61 message pushed the white button until 61-1. Closed the door turned the jackpot key once.

It's been a while since I've enabled a bill validator, but I don't think a 61 error is a correct thing to encounter after enabling it with the SET chip, is it?
Title: Re: Bill validator not working
Post by: Stayouttadabunker on January 07, 2024, 08:02:23 AM
For all we know, it could be an old code that hasn't been cleared yet.
There's nothing in this thread that indicates to me that the door has ever been in a closed-state.



Title: Re: Bill validator not working
Post by: Jeffro19 on January 07, 2024, 09:04:02 AM
On the MPU, the SP chip that's inserted in the GAME socket, what number is it...SP731?

I have a SP731 chip and a BV on/off chip. You can see the pics earlier in the thread. I used the BV chip and I got to the option to turn on the bill validator using 9-1.
Title: Re: Bill validator not working
Post by: Stayouttadabunker on January 07, 2024, 09:30:00 AM
okay...it wasn't clear to me if that chip was installed, or just an extra one.

Can you tell us if the door optics are working?
Does the "Insert Coin" lamp come on the reel glass after you close the door?
It's the one next to a denomination lamp.

Title: Re: Bill validator not working
Post by: Jeffro19 on January 09, 2024, 09:42:43 AM
okay...it wasn't clear to me if that chip was installed, or just an extra one.

Can you tell us if the door optics are working?
Does the "Insert Coin" lamp come on the reel glass after you close the door?
It's the one next to a denomination lamp.

Yes the door optics work and the insert coin comes on. I went into the setting again and it was set for the bill validator to be enabled which is the 9…1 on the slot machine screen. Still doesn’t light up or work. Don’t know what to do at this point and really don’t want to keep taking out the chips because I don’t. Want to mess something up. I’m sure it has something to do with the bill validator or maybe the software on it? Probably just leave like it is I guess.
Title: Re: Bill validator not working
Post by: jay on January 09, 2024, 10:15:11 AM
Did you  also set a denomination like 0.25 or 0.01 ?
The purpose of the set chip is to enable the bill validator and set the dennomination so it knows how many credits to give for a $1.00 bill.
If no value was set I could see that the validator would not activate ?
Title: Re: Bill validator not working
Post by: Jeffro19 on January 09, 2024, 11:02:12 AM
Did you  also set a denomination like 0.25 or 0.01 ?
The purpose of the set chip is to enable the bill validator and set the dennomination so it knows how many credits to give for a $1.00 bill.
If no value was set I could see that the validator would not activate ?
Yeah I set it to 25 for 25 cents. Save d it and went through it again to make sure it was set and it was.  The bill validator makes noises on startup but maybe it’s defective? How do I make sure it working or if it’s set correctly above the cash box?
Title: Re: Bill validator not working
Post by: Stayouttadabunker on January 09, 2024, 01:10:41 PM
It's been a while since I've enabled a bill validator, but I don't think a 61 error is a correct thing to encounter after enabling it with the SET chip, is it?
This question intrigued me Knagl...I had to see if that's what happens.
So, I removed the SP731 from my MPU, threw in a CLEAR chip...:rotfl:
Ran the Clear chip, then pulled that out, and put in a SET015 chip.

Turned on the power, enabled the DBV by flipping 9-0 to 9-1, and 6-0 to 25cents...when you press the Test button, the [Coins Played} window goes to zero.
That's when I KNOW my settings are saved.
Shut off the power, removed SET015, re-installed the SP731 and powered back up.
Sure enough, first thing that pops up on the display is [61].
Held in the Test button for roughly 2-3 secs to get to [61-1], I then closed the door pushed the door latch fully downwards, and turned the J/P Key once...3 things happens next...>>>

The lower half of the candle flashes (actually, it was flashing the whole time until I completed one game later.), the "Insert Coin", and the yellow bill bezel light up.
At that point, the machine's DBV accepts a dollar bill...no problem.
Just for kicks, I did it all over twice to see if I get the same results.
I got pretty much the same [61], but I also got the [65-1].
Opening the door and pressing the Test button knocks it off.
Then you close the door and wait a few seconds for the bezel lights to come on.

So my question now is....when you [61] and press the Test button for roughly 2-3 seconds, does it turn to [61-1]?
If so, at that point, close the door and turn the key once and the [61-1] goes away.
If it goes away but comes back as [61], run the Clear chip, and do what I did above.
Title: Re: Bill validator not working
Post by: sixcardmark on January 09, 2024, 01:21:29 PM

Quote
It's been a while since I've enabled a bill validator, but I don't think a 61 error is a correct thing to encounter after enabling it with the SET chip, is it?


You need to try it again this way:

Clear machine and clear 61, THEN use the set15 to enable BV and set denom to see if the 61 comes up again afterward.
Title: Re: Bill validator not working
Post by: Jeffro19 on January 09, 2024, 01:28:34 PM
It's been a while since I've enabled a bill validator, but I don't think a 61 error is a correct thing to encounter after enabling it with the SET chip, is it?
This question intrigued me Knagl...I had to see if that's what happens.
So, I removed the SP731 from my MPU, threw in a CLEAR chip...:rotfl:
Ran the Clear chip, then pulled that out, and put in a SET015 chip.

Turned on the power, enabled the DBV by flipping 9-0 to 9-1, and 6-0 to 25cents...when you press the Test button, the [Coins Played} window goes to zero.
That's when I KNOW my settings are saved.
Shut off the power, removed SET015, re-installed the SP731 and powered back up.
Sure enough, first thing that pops up on the display is [61].
Held in the Test button for roughly 2-3 secs to get to [61-1], I then closed the door pushed the door latch fully downwards, and turned the J/P Key once...3 things happens next...>>>

The lower half of the candle flashes (actually, it was flashing the whole time until I completed one game later.), the "Insert Coin", and the yellow bill bezel light up.
At that point, the machine's DBV accepts a dollar bill...no problem.
Just for kicks, I did it all over twice to see if I get the same results.
I got pretty much the same [61], but I also got the [65-1].
Opening the door and pressing the Test button knocks it off.
Then you close the door and wait a few seconds for the bezel lights to come on.

So my question now is....when you [61] and press the Test button for roughly 2-3 seconds, does it turn to [61-1]?
If so, at that point, close the door and turn the key once and the [61-1] goes away.
If it goes away but comes back as [61], run the Clear chip, and do what I did above.

Hello yes it went to 61 then held the test button down and it went to 61-1. Closed the door turned the jackpot and everything came back on like it was supposed except the bill validator. I have tried it twice now and same result. It has to be something with the validator or the software like someone said. Can you just swap out validators or do you have to Download software for it? Thanks for everyone’s help.
Title: Re: Bill validator not working
Post by: Stayouttadabunker on January 09, 2024, 01:51:33 PM
Try Clear chip procedure as SCM asked....we want to see if the [61] keeps coming back.
It sounds to me like there's a stuck logic signal somewhere....for ex. could be a bad EEPROM 24C04 chip on your motherboard.
It's that small chip way over on the left hand side of the motherboard located on the floor of the cabinet.

We don't know yet, why the [61] won't clear.
Title: Re: Bill validator not working
Post by: sixcardmark on January 09, 2024, 02:28:53 PM
Sounds like the 61 is clearing now.  I was just saying to correctly test if 61 comes up after just using set chip you can't clear first because it will always come up after clearing.
Title: Re: Bill validator not working
Post by: Jim on January 09, 2024, 02:38:34 PM
You have a 731, when you get to the 5-1 test push the change button to scroll through that menu, 9-1 will show up as you do, then go to 10-1, change button until 27, yellow lamps should be on, never did answer my question if you checked the bulbs? 
Go to the first post in s plus section , click on it, go to the how to guide, use the diagnostic cards there, tells you how to use the buttons to go through all the menus , test every switch, function, lamp, etc.

Jim
Title: Re: Bill validator not working
Post by: Jeffro19 on January 09, 2024, 02:49:16 PM
Yeah I checked the bulbs they are good.
Tried many different dollar bills and didn’t want to take any at all not even sucking in the bills at all.
Title: Re: Bill validator not working
Post by: jay on January 09, 2024, 02:50:53 PM
Open question to the crowd…..
What is the correct set chip for a 731 ?
And is there any way to tell which set he has without an eprom reader to view the header ?
Title: Re: Bill validator not working
Post by: Jim on January 09, 2024, 02:55:12 PM
Did you try the stand alone test for the 200 head?
It will test it and eliminate it as being good or bad.
Did you unhook the four pin connector on the right front transport to see if it started to search for the cash can?

Are you sure the head and transport are inserted correctly?

Jim
Title: Re: Bill validator not working
Post by: sixcardmark on January 09, 2024, 03:01:33 PM
Open question to the crowd…..
What is the correct set chip for a 731 ?
And is there any way to tell which set he has without an eprom reader to view the header ?
SET15  Yes it can show which SS and SP is installed. http://www.newlifegames.net/spset/SPSS.htm (http://www.newlifegames.net/spset/SPSS.htm)
Title: Re: Bill validator not working
Post by: jay on January 09, 2024, 03:30:13 PM
Will that procedure show you what SET chip is in the GameChip socket.
The PSR shows what SET chip is needed (Set15) but his SET chip is labeled Validator On/Off
So we don't know if he has perhaps a newer and not properly compatible set chip....
Just drawing at straws here......
Title: Re: Bill validator not working
Post by: sixcardmark on January 09, 2024, 03:37:26 PM
No when set chip is installed you can't do anything but enable BV and set denom.
Title: Re: Bill validator not working
Post by: Jeffro19 on January 09, 2024, 03:40:45 PM
Did you try the stand alone test for the 200 head?
It will test it and eliminate it as being good or bad.
Did you unhook the four pin connector on the right front transport to see if it started to search for the cash can?

Are you sure the head and transport are inserted correctly?

Jim

How do I do the stand alone test? How do I know if it is inserted correctly?  Thanks
Title: Re: Bill validator not working
Post by: Stayouttadabunker on January 09, 2024, 08:06:40 PM
My advice to you would be to ship it to Jim.
Send him that SET chip too...he can check it out easily enough.
He'll tell you what can be done with it once he gives it a look over.
I have a BV-200 to fool around with, but it's not for sale.
Jim will have whatever you need I'm sure.  :yes:

Just for kicks, I threw in a SET090 to see if it was backwards compatible with an SP731.
Although it appeared that I enabled the DBV ( I actually was able to get it to 9-1 and 6-25), when I put back in the SP731, it was NOT ENABLED because my yellow bill bezel didn't light up.
When I threw in a SET015, set the options to enable it, and threw back in the SP731, my yellow bezel came on ready to accept bills.
Title: Re: Bill validator not working
Post by: Jeffro19 on January 10, 2024, 11:49:59 AM
Do these tell me what chip I have? I went through the settings with the test switch. From what I have read the SET015 chip is the same as the BV on/off chip that I have. Not sure if that’s correct or not.
Title: Re: Bill validator not working
Post by: jay on January 10, 2024, 12:19:40 PM
Sort of.... This tells you what chips you have for a REEL Chip and Game Chip.

The game chip (ie SP731) is basically the operating system and the Reel chip is the theme.

IF you start off with the Reel chip - it has a TYPE.
You need to use a compatible game chip that matches its TYPE.
Many games for instance would be a TYPE 0 (no special features) so they all could be used with the SP731 or SP1271 (and about 15 others). The two I listed are the most common.
The document that describes your reel chip is called a PAR sheet. It lists  the TYPE, the reel symbol order, what reel strip numbers to use, projected frequency in payouts, %% payback etc.
If you go to RICKS FAQs, (main page, bottom right) - there is the IGT game bible which lists different themes - Ie double diamond and it will list the 10 chips that are available for that theme each with a different payout. This is kind of like a mini PAR sheet.

The document that describes all the different features and settings of your game chip is called a PSR (Program Summary Report) and it will specify what SET chip is compatible with your bill validator.
In this case we know a SP731 chip uses a SET015 chip to enable/disable the validator.

Since your SET chip is not labeled - we don't know what SET chip you have.
My earlier speculation is that the one you have is NOT a SET015, and I asked the question is there anyway to tell what chip ## it is, and the answer from the community came back as NO.
IF you have an eprom reader/burner you can load the chip into it and read the chip header which will tell you what it is. IGT did a good job of documenting this in their internal code.
Obviously not everyone would have one of these around to do that.

Taking this to the next level - Mark (Stayoutofthebunker) used a SET90 with the SP731 and basically duplicated your results - that enabling with a SET90 doesn't work even though it said it did.

I know that the game chip SP1271 is compatible with your theme and is a much newer chip and works with a wider variety of set chips including the SET90
SO if you have a SP1271 around we could try swapping out your SP731 and see if the set chip you have works with that.

SO... you could reach out to one of the vendors - JIM at Midwest is a very helpful and reliable person - and get a SET015 and perhaps get a SP1271 at the same time.
This gives you a couple of permutations and combinations to try.

If you become a contribuing member both the PSRs and PARs are avaialble in our download section.







 
Title: Re: Bill validator not working
Post by: Stayouttadabunker on January 10, 2024, 02:59:58 PM
In the display window, it's showing that he has an SP733.
I pulled out the PSR for that chip and check this out.
I outlined it in green...basically, bills will be rejected if the game denomination is higher than the bill denom.
You think it's possible that Jeffro set his denomination for 25 dollars, instead of 25 cents?
Disregard if the validator isn't pulling in bills, right?
"When the denomination is set to zero (none), the bill acceptor is disabled"...I actually never knew this...lol

The other thing is that SS7702 chip.
At least from checking out the Master Eprom List, I verified that it's a 94% chip for his Triple Double Diamond game.

Click on photo to enlarge if needed...>>>
Title: Re: Bill validator not working
Post by: jay on January 10, 2024, 03:23:57 PM
Still a Type 0
731/733 are of the same vintage and use a SET015
Title: Re: Bill validator not working
Post by: Stayouttadabunker on January 10, 2024, 04:01:00 PM
I totally agree Jay...older SP GAME PROMS.
I wish I had his machine, I'd get it runniing in a few minutes.
I still think he needs Jim's help tho...I have everything needed, but I'm too far away up at the top of New York.
Jim could test the BV, and throw the mis-labeled chip into a programmer.
Title: Re: Bill validator not working
Post by: jay on January 10, 2024, 04:06:25 PM
I am suggesting he gets a SP1271 and a Set 15 - probably <$10 either or both will resolve the issue.
Title: Re: Bill validator not working
Post by: Stayouttadabunker on January 10, 2024, 04:09:53 PM
Excellent suggestion  :yes:
Title: Re: Bill validator not working
Post by: Jeffro19 on January 11, 2024, 07:29:24 PM
Hey everyone I got it working! Apparently the bill validator wasn’t installed or seated correctly. I took it out just to try and reinstalled and the light lit up. I also noticed it’s much easier to close the door with the handle. The bill validator must of not been in there just right. As soon as I closed the door the light lit up. I tried a dollar bill and it wouldn’t take it but then noticed it says $5 to $100 bills only? I tried a newer $5 and it didn’t work but a newer $20 bill worked just fine. Thanks everyone for their help and suggestions. I was about to give up. Now just need some of the small led bulbs that will fit in there for the bill validator lights. Thanks again!
Title: Re: Bill validator not working
Post by: Stayouttadabunker on January 11, 2024, 07:42:07 PM
Glad you got it going!  :applause:
A lotta times, that's all it is.
We just assumed that you had it in there correctly....an S+ doesn't tell you like the newer slot machines will.
It only took 57 Reply's to find out you had a loose validator... :duh:

Your BV might only have the older firmware...ahh....leave it be....20's are okay right?
Have fun with your machine!  :yes:
I'm marking this topic as "Solved".
Title: Re: Bill validator not working
Post by: Jeffro19 on January 11, 2024, 07:49:49 PM
Yes I’m gonna leave it as is. $20’s will work just fine.
I just assumed it was installed correctly but obviously it wasn’t.
The previous owner must of never installed it correctly.
Thanks again!
This made my day 😊
Title: Re: Bill validator not working
Post by: twinfire on January 11, 2024, 08:35:42 PM
Lol… If only he had listened to Jim 6 days ago!
Title: Re: Bill validator not working
Post by: twinfire on January 11, 2024, 08:38:06 PM
It’s nice to see there are so many here willing to put in the time/effort to help others.

Happy to hear it was a simple fix!
Title: Re: Bill validator not working
Post by: Jeffro19 on January 11, 2024, 09:08:04 PM
Yes I really appreciate everyone helping me out!
So great to have people on this forum with the knowledge of these machines. 😊
Title: Re: Bill validator not working
Post by: jay on January 11, 2024, 09:25:51 PM
There is likely a bank of dip switches on the side and only certain bills are enabled.
It should be an easy change.

One reason to disable $50 is that apparently you could take $5 and using a pencil could make a few marks that the validator would then recognize as a $50. When people asked the Casio why they could not use $50 they were told they were unlucky.

Subsequently when the new money came along - I believe the $10 was the first the casinos who were still using S+ (and not willing to pay for the s2000 upgrade) simply disabled the new monies.  I believe the colored $5 was the last bill to be released and JCM was never paid by IGT for it and the firmware for the validator was never officially released. Somewhere along the line it did make it out into the wild and has propagated.


The new dbv series never had the sensors to support the new magnetic bills.


On another not some people set the dbv denomination to 1cent so a $bill quickly puts on 100 credits.
Title: Re: Bill validator not working
Post by: Jeffro19 on January 11, 2024, 09:39:12 PM
Ok I will take a look at the dip switches to see if there are any.
One day I would like to get it to take at least 1 dollar bills. Hopefully that’s just a dip switch setting since the dollar bill has not changed like all of the other bills have.
I will try a $10 and a $100 just to see if those work.
So I’m assuming this bill validator will not work with the newer bills?
But it did work with a newer $20.
Title: Re: Bill validator not working
Post by: jay on January 12, 2024, 07:27:09 AM
That depends on the firmware.
Its capable of all new monies except the latest $100
Jim can do a head exchange or you can send him yours and he can flash it.

Do a search on the site or google for JCM DBV200 dip switch settings.
Title: Re: Bill validator not working
Post by: Jeffro19 on January 12, 2024, 08:18:59 AM
Ok great I will check that out.  If I can’t get it maybe I will send it up to Jim.
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