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Re: IGT Game King Sound Issues?
« Reply #20 on: March 09, 2016, 08:30:23 PM »
If you look at the speakers/wiring, there aren't any resistors inline between the amp and the speakers right?  Clean wiring all around?

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Just opened up the top glass and checked wiring.  No resistors or foreign objects to be found.  Never pulled the glass before and notice the inline amp (P/N: 76928000) hanging out up there.  Wiring doesn't appear burnt or frayed.  Connections appear to be tight.

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Re: IGT Game King Sound Issues?
« Reply #21 on: March 09, 2016, 08:39:29 PM »
It would be nice if you had another game to throw in just to see if the similar sound anomalies existed.  If you had access to another GK 5.0 set for testing, that would REALLY be nice. 

For grins, have you ever cleared and reloaded your game?  Last resort, but I would do it if it were me.

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Re: IGT Game King Sound Issues?
« Reply #22 on: March 09, 2016, 08:59:23 PM »
Being the rookie that I am, is there a help file?  Or just insert the Key 022 I just received and go with that to clear and reload?  At this point, I'm not far into play and not worried if I need to reset the history.


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Re: IGT Game King Sound Issues?
« Reply #23 on: March 09, 2016, 09:02:34 PM »
This looks helpful on using the Key 22:

http://newlifegames.com/nlg/index.php?topic=883.0
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Re: IGT Game King Sound Issues?
« Reply #24 on: March 09, 2016, 09:08:46 PM »
Got it.  Here goes nuthin'.  Check back with you in a little bit.  *crossing fingers*

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Re: IGT Game King Sound Issues?
« Reply #25 on: March 09, 2016, 09:38:05 PM »
Looks when I set it to the SAS Redemption by the instructions, I now have a "Bill Validator Comm Error".  I'm guessing I have to start again.  Not going to work on this much more tonight.  I'm going to do the Key Chip again and if it works, I'll come back and give an update.  Otherwise, I'll try this again tomorrow.


I appreciate the assistance, Jason.


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Re: IGT Game King Sound Issues?
« Reply #26 on: March 09, 2016, 10:19:54 PM »
Ok, Bill Validator working.  Still plays as advertised.  Just the sound issue still, so I'm done for the night.  I'll smack my forehead on it a little more tomorrow night.   :banghead:

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Re: IGT Game King Sound Issues?
« Reply #27 on: March 09, 2016, 11:11:54 PM »
The sound issue (hum?) may just be the way that model of mpu works since the common suggestion is to get the newer style mpu for improved sound. In a casino the average player might not even notice it with all the other loud and variable casino noises.
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Re: IGT Game King Sound Issues?
« Reply #28 on: March 09, 2016, 11:23:13 PM »
I had 2 5.0 sets in two different MPUs, and neither of them sounded like that.

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Re: IGT Game King Sound Issues?
« Reply #29 on: March 10, 2016, 08:21:49 AM »
Sorry it wasn't as simple as a mis-matched sound SIMM card.  After listening to your youtube video it's clear that the MPU is addressing and playing the wrong sounds.  Have you tried re-seating the MML2 sound card that the SIMM plugs into?  Also verify that all the DIP switches on the sound SIMM are set to OFF.  If I have time today I'll burn a software set that matches yours and see if the sounds are OK on it.

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Re: IGT Game King Sound Issues?
« Reply #30 on: March 10, 2016, 09:42:32 AM »
My plan of attack for tonight was to pull cards, check/clean contacts, and reinstall. I was thinking like Jason that maybe the new sound SIMM needed to be "recognized" by doing a reset.

I'm wondering the same with you on the MPU is playing the wrong sound bite or attempting to play two at the same time and causing that reverb.

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Re: IGT Game King Sound Issues?
« Reply #31 on: March 10, 2016, 01:23:30 PM »
Hopefully that will fix it.

I loaded a board up with:

M0001001
G0004857
C0001189
DSS00334

The sound was fine on the games you're having issues with, so it's not a software mismatch. 

Check all the socketed chips on the MPU board too. Over time they sometimes they work themselves out a little.  Just firmly push down on them, you'll be able to tell if it wasn't fully seated when you do.  Do that with the CPU/FPGAs in the PLCC (square) sockets as well.


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Re: IGT Game King Sound Issues?
« Reply #32 on: March 10, 2016, 01:42:39 PM »
Hopefully that will fix it.

I loaded a board up with:

M0001001
G0004857
C0001189
DSS00334

The sound was fine on the games you're having issues with, so it's not a software mismatch. 

Check all the socketed chips on the MPU board too. Over time they sometimes they work themselves out a little.  Just firmly push down on them, you'll be able to tell if it wasn't fully seated when you do.  Do that with the CPU/FPGAs in the PLCC (square) sockets as well.

I appreciate you taking the time to test my configuration on a known good system. It gives me confidence that I may be able to fix this tonight.

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Re: IGT Game King Sound Issues?
« Reply #33 on: March 10, 2016, 07:28:25 PM »
Ok, no joy.  Pulled every chip/card I could (with the exception of the M0001001) chip since it's been out multiple times so I'm assuming that those contacts are clean.  I tossed the thought of buying the next cheapest thing in line, the Multimedia Lite card, but then figured that the other games wouldn't work right if that card was broke.  I'm guessing the inline amplifier in the top is good as well because I wouldn't have any sound if that was shot.


So, the only thing I could think it could be would be (a) corrupted game chip(s) trying to reference the wrong memory address in the sound SIMM since I have a known good SIMM from Ohio Gaming.


If anyone has a suggestion, please feel free to chime in.  Otherwise I'll consider this a lost cause and start saving up for a 044 setup and mark this thread complete.  I applaud the effort everyone has given me on this ordeal.  :applause:

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Re: IGT Game King Sound Issues?
« Reply #34 on: March 10, 2016, 07:41:51 PM »
One last thing, if and when I upgrade to the 044 config will I just need the MPU, Backplane, and Game Board?  Is there anything else I would need to make the change over stress free (i.e. wire harness, installing a resistor somewhere, etc)? LOL

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Re: IGT Game King Sound Issues?
« Reply #35 on: March 10, 2016, 07:49:14 PM »
One last thing, if and when I upgrade to the 044 config will I just need the MPU, Backplane, and Game Board?  Is there anything else I would need to make the change over stress free (i.e. wire harness, installing a resistor somewhere, etc)? LOL

If you jump to 044, get GK 6.2 or 6.3 if you can get it.  Also, get a 044 MPU that doesn't have Vrbata battery.  They leak after time and can damage the board.

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Re: IGT Game King Sound Issues?
« Reply #36 on: March 10, 2016, 08:27:48 PM »


So, the only thing I could think it could be would be (a) corrupted game chip(s) trying to reference the wrong memory address in the sound SIMM since I have a known good SIMM from Ohio Gaming.


If anyone has a suggestion, please feel free to chime in.  Otherwise I'll consider this a lost cause and start saving up for a 044 setup and mark this thread complete.  I applaud the effort everyone has given me on this ordeal.  :applause:

Game chips have a CRC (Cyclic Redundency Check) installed. If any one bit is not right the machine shuts down, locks up. Can't be the chips.

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Re: IGT Game King Sound Issues?
« Reply #37 on: March 10, 2016, 08:30:27 PM »
So much for the simple fixes.  The two last items are the MPU or the sound board.  The inline amp would not cause this problem.  Personally I would lean towards the sound card because if there was an addressing issue on the MPU board it would cause other issues and the machine would probably not boot at all.  The sound board is also cheaper to replace. It's up to you if you want to try to further isolate the problem.  You will still have the low level hiss/hum associated with the 3902 MPU board though.

If you upgrade to a 044 board you will need the MPU/Tray, motherboard (backplane), and a legacy adapter board if you want to use your current software on the new MPU board.  Or you can upgrade to GK 6.0+ which uses a programmed flash memory card.  Here's a thread that shows some of the hardware.

http://newlifegames.com/nlg/index.php?topic=880.msg3908#msg3908

It's possible that you may have to make some changes to your monitor settings due to the higher resolution of the 044 board after upgrading as well. 

Jason brings up a good point with the Varta battery.  Some 044 boards do have them, but they can be modified to work without them.  The modification requires the removal of a component on the board (along with the battery of course), so if you purchase one from a vendor who offers a warranty they might not honor it if you modify it.  Best to find one that doesn't have it to begin with if possible.

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Re: IGT Game King Sound Issues?
« Reply #38 on: March 10, 2016, 08:47:47 PM »
Not to go too far off topic, but you might check this thread out concerning monitors when upgrading to 044:

http://newlifegames.com/nlg/index.php?topic=8337.0

I run a Wells Gardner LCD in mine and only had to press the auto-adjust button when I upgraded to 044.  Ceronix may be a bit more complex per the copied link.  Anyway, just wanted make sure you have a bit more info.

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Re: IGT Game King Sound Issues?
« Reply #39 on: March 10, 2016, 09:03:31 PM »
Copy on the Varta battery, I've experienced those P.O.S. on some radar and telemetry systems I work on.


I've downloaded those info sheets in the previous post.  Been a long day, so I'll pop the monitor tomorrow and verify which model I have.  Been searching for the 044 setup and will email supplier about the battery and video connections before I order.  I'll keep you gentlemen updated tomorrow what progresses.


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