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**Video Poker, Keno, Slots, 21** Gaming machines => IGT Fortune 1 Sircoma/Poker => Topic started by: Shadow-moses on June 28, 2016, 07:06:44 AM
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I just recently picked up a sircoma SG 103 draw poker from a guy who has 6 of the same machines, some had monitors some didn't, the one I got is complete with working monitor, he pretty much offered to give them all to me for dirt cheap, but at least 3 are only good for parts, is there any demand or interest for parts from these machines?, I'm thinking about picking them up but I don't need all the parts, thanx Ben
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I guess if anyone needs sircoma SG 103 parts I got them, quite a few of them lol
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You never know what parts you may need for these old games. Your machines look different than mine. That might make it more important for you to have some spare parts. My 2 cents
Ra
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Yeah, I see what you mean after digging into them, there is very little info on these unfortunately
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You have come to the best place to get help with these old games. This forum in particular is scarce with participants because most collectors went to the newer multi games when the law in their state allowed. I however, still listen to 8 track tapes and I love the character of these gems. IF you need any mother board work Larry Weber in Vegas is the best.
Ra
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I guess if anyone needs sircoma SG 103 parts I got them, quite a few of them lol
After you get all/many of those machines running you'll be the NLG expert on Sircoma, which is needed. :garfield:
Glad to have you here! :wave:
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Thanx, anybody know what battery is used on these, I've read two different things does it use a 3.7 volt or 4.5 volt, here is what the old one looks like, it's 2 inches long
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I think that is an older nicad battery, they were used in machines years ago. The machine's main circuit board (mpu board) had a charging circuit to keep them charged so when it was turned off the battery would keep the cmos memory alive. The same or similar battery was used on the Bally E-1000 machines. I don't think you can find a new exact battery anymore but you can substitute another one with the same or close voltage. The machine doesn't care as long as the voltage is correct, so any battery that will fit and is about the same voltage will work. If you remove the old battery there may be writing on it that gives the battery voltage spec. I'd guess that 4.5 volts would be correct for the original battery, based on the Sircoma manuals I've looked at. But I'd think a 3.6 volt lithium would be easier to find and would work ok, the cmos chip is spec'd to retain data as long as it has about 2 volts or higher on it.
But the newer batteries that people usually put in nowadays are not rechargeable, they are either normal AA batteries in a little battery holder or a long-lasting lithium style battery. This means you are supposed to disable the charging circuit on the mpu board, usually done by removing a resistor that is inline with the charging circuit and replace it with a diode. The diode lets the battery voltage go out to the cmos ram but doesn't allow any charging voltage to get back to the new non-chargeable AA or lithium battery. If you can find a schematic drawing of the Sircoma mpu board and can post it I can show you better what I mean by all this. Also you can read thru the Bally E-1000 threads to see how it is done on those machines.
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Yeah, I see what you mean after digging into them, there is very little info on these unfortunately
I looked in the NLG download area, there are some Sircoma manuals, see screenshot photo below of the Sircoma download area (it is located as a submenu under the IGT download area). But the manuals are short, only about 18-22 pages and they are more of an operator's guide, no board schematics, just some chassis wiring drawings. For download access you'd need to make a contribution to NLG website, can be just about any amount, either as a one time thing for 30 days privileges, or on a continuing basis for continuing privileges. See the home page for info, left side of screen. Becoming a Contributing Member also gets you listing capability in the Classifieds area for selling stuff.
This place has some Sircoma manuals for sale, but they appear to be the same ones here on NLG:
http://www.coinslots.com/manuals/sirc/ (http://www.coinslots.com/manuals/sirc/)
By the way, Sircoma was the name of a slot machine company for about 3 years, then they changed its name to IGT.
It looks like the lower glass on your Hi-Lo Poker machine has "IGT" written on it.
Check this out for something interesting about the Sircoma company:
http://www.videopokerinfo.com/history.htm (http://www.videopokerinfo.com/history.htm)
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Since I now have 4 of the of the old IGT, Sicoma, Fortune Coin games I really enjoyed reading the history. Thank you and Thank NLG.
Ra
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Ra,
I enjoyed reading that history article too. Here's one that is as good or maybe better, from our own NLG member badbaud. You may have already known this, it was a treat for me to read:
http://newlifegames.net/nlg/index.php?topic=6529.0 (http://newlifegames.net/nlg/index.php?topic=6529.0)
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Shadow-moses --- this link below will take you to the old NLG website Sircoma area that still has a lot of info, you might find something helpful on the Sircoma machines. If the old site asks for a password and username just hit enter, it isn't required there anymore.
http://newlifegames.net/nlg/index.php?board=48.0 (http://newlifegames.net/nlg/index.php?board=48.0)
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Since I now have 4 of the of the old IGT, Sicoma, Fortune Coin games I really enjoyed reading the history. Thank you and Thank NLG.
Ra
Which one of the Sircoma machines do you have? Do you find it similar to the Fortune I machines?
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Sircoma I have the rare TV Dice game. I have never seen another one. The game is EXACTLY like the 2 IGT games that I have. The older Fortune Coin game is from 1979 i believe and is primitive as heck but works 100% Pictures of all of my games,except the newest IGT Caesars Palace Slot machine, are on my profile. I was warned to stay away from the old IGT games but I am already addicted.
Ra
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Sircoma I have the rare TV Dice game. I have never seen another one. The game is EXACTLY like the 2 IGT games that I have. The older Fortune Coin game is from 1979 i believe and is primitive as heck but works 100% Pictures of all of my games,except the newest IGT Caesars Palace Slot machine, are on my profile. I was warned to stay away from the old IGT games but I am already addicted.
Ra
I thought they might be similar but haven't seen or worked on either. You have a wonderful collection and room!
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Thank you so much. I have worked on my game room for 11 years. Unfortunately I find myself in the position that I must move. Life has many twists and turns.
Ra
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Thank you so much. I have worked on my game room for 11 years. Unfortunately I find myself in the position that I must move. Life has many twists and turns.
Ra
Good luck with the move, hopefully the next game room setup will go easier since you know how you want it.
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I just read the post by Badbaud. What an interesting tale from a really nice guy. This story have everything. Guns, guts and glory. I was waiting for a lady in red to play a major role. lol.
This rich history, and the people like Allen that lived it are treasures in my book. This depth make be bristle when I try to sell one of my games and a cheapskate offers me $100 for a working and cosmetically clean Fortune 1. I always direct a slug like that to one of those Japanese toys.
I tip my hat to all of the NLG members that help keep the memories and the machines alive.
Ra
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Hmmm, after looking into them farther i see that two are different, they are sg108's, they say sircoma and IGT on the tags inside, the 103's are 3 board setups and the 108'sare 2 board setups, anyone know how to reset either one of these models? does it have to do with the keyed switch on the side?, the sg103 has 1 key switch on the side the sg108 has 2 on the side and one inside, all I can get to come up is a jumbled screen
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If you dont have a key you can buy a cheap home depot lock and use that OR I have activate the switch in my games with the door open with my finger for free.
Ra
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I have both keys, I'm just not sure what the procedure is, Is there a trick to it
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No trick on my games however I had a similar screen that was cored by simply re seating the mother board and the chips found thereon. Remember that I said similar not the same. Badbaud may want to chime in and rescue me.
Ra
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I tried reseating the chips and everything, I'll go through all the plugs and other connections
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Shadow, any luck on getting your games working properly?
Ra :Scratch-Head:
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No, still the same issues, I cleaned all the plugs and whatnot, I thought maybe it was an issue with the board sets, but I get the same result with all 4 sets
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I would send the boards out to Larry Weber and Badbaud from this forum. They have always come through for me.
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I have the same machine (the 3-board model). If the screen is messed up, it could be the battery; at least that was what was wrong with mine (along with some corrosion). The battery it uses is 3 1/3-AA's (1/3 the length of a AA battery) in a series that output 3.6-volts but a lower mAh. I got mine on ebay. http://www.ebay.com/itm/BALLY-BATTERY-ESERIES-NiCad-3-6V-/152028476827?hash=item23659a759b:g:g4gAAMXQ855Rorfp (http://www.ebay.com/itm/BALLY-BATTERY-ESERIES-NiCad-3-6V-/152028476827?hash=item23659a759b:g:g4gAAMXQ855Rorfp)
Like you said, there is almost no information on these machine on the internet. These machines are literally the first video poker machines ever made.
Mine is in working condition, though some lights are out on the buttons, and one of the electro-magnets makes a loud buzzing sound. If you have spare parts, I might take some bulbs off your hands. I haven't gotten around to seeing how hard they are to replace yet.
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Quig:
The bulbs are easy to replace. I devised a way to make quick work of this task. I think that it is on the old archive area.
Good luck
Ra
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It turns out all of my bulbs were good except for one, they just weren't making electrical contact. I made a little spacer out of small copper wire to go between the bulb and the button to push the blub out more. This works well.
I did find that one of my buttons does need replacing because the contact in the back is missing. If you have parts Shadow-moses, I could use a couple whole button assemblies for the Hold button and I need a Draw button. Let me know.
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So glad to hear that your lights are working well. The copper wire trick is a good one. The sockets can be had online for not a lot of loot. Depending on how old your game is you will not be able to get the EXACT socket but the newer ones with more posts work just fine.
Show us the finished product
Ra
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Hi. I just picked up a Sircoma SG103 Video Poker 200. It wasn’t working. I started cleaning and reseating wires. After a couple attempts it started right up. Couple button lights are out. Trying to find the archived instructions mentioned. Seems like the top light and bell isn’t working. Looking for info on the schematics or user manual. Couldn’t get into the download area to download “Sircoma draw poker” The rest seems to work well. The manufacture date is Dec 1979! Still mostly working, even the CRT! I’ll post a picture and video as soon as I can figure out how to do that in this forum.
Tony