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**Reel Slots** Gaming Machines => Bally Electromechanical => Topic started by: caneer on May 02, 2024, 06:01:13 AM
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Hello! I recently acquired this slot and I am looking to find out more about it, model/year/value? If there is anything you can tell me that would be great.
I wanted to find a user manual, there are a few functions that are not working correctly that I wanted to try and get fixed. Thank you for your time.
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809-N is a lightning model made for Kelly's Nugget casino.
the paperwork for it is on https://bingo.cdyn.com/slots/809-N/
generic manuals - which are mostly exploded parts diagrams - https://bingo.cdyn.com/slots/bally_manuals/
there's other stuff if you poke around in https://bingo.cdyn.com/slots/
while the bally 400 manual covers the 809's, the 2400 and 2600 manuals have updated information - especially if you have the newer parts on the right side of the reel mech.
yell if you want info on any specific issues.
btw, if you are in deep enough to access the flourescent tubes, please provide info on what generic part numbers they are (FxTy or whatever it says on the things).
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Hello! I recently acquired this slot and I am looking to find out more about it, model/year/value? If there is anything you can tell me that would be great.
I wanted to find a user manual, there are a few functions that are not working correctly that I wanted to try and get fixed. Thank you for your time.
Along with what wolftalk just wrote to you, there is a LOT of information on the Bally on this board. Simply scroll up slightly, add "809" in the search box and change the search area to "this board." :yes:
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You didn't state the problems the machine is having. Because these are full of moving mechanical and electrical parts, these can suffer from sticky / dried out oil or grease. Parts need to be able to move freely, in order for things to work. These machines are a marriage of electrical and mechanical parts. Relay contacts need to be clean and correctly adjusted with adequate clearance, contact pressure and and over-travel. Buy a GC electronics "contact burnishing blade for cleaning up oxidized / fouled contacts. Never use any form of sand paper on delicate electrical contacts. The hopper also contains moving mechanical electrical components that are prone to becoming gummed up. Check inside the top box, as there may be steppers in there - and those require service as well. The "Jones " plugs on the mechanism, hopper, stepper must be clean and carefully aligned. If not making good contact on all of the pins - some or all features of a game won't work. I use 100% synthetic electric motor oil on these. No detergents in the oil. You can use sewing machine oil, or 3 in 1 electric motor oil in the blue bottle. Do not use 3 In 1 in the red and black bottle, as it contains waxes that will gum up.
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The winner paid light stopped working I am thinking it’s a loose wire. The service button doesn’t work, not sure if it’s the switch or the wiring. The bell makes a buzz if I pull the handle too soon. I am not sure if it’s supposed to ring when ring when I hit any payout or just the jackpot. I hit a jackpot and there was no ringing.
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The bell is supposed to only ring on jackpots
Are you certain the buzz you are hearing is coming from the bell? The handle is locked by a solenoid, and it may be that - which you are actually hearing
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Yes it is the solenoid. Do you know when the bell is suppose to sound? on all pays or just jackpot?
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Do you know when the bell is suppose to sound? on all pays or just jackpot?
that was one of the differences between the various 809 models. Different customers wanted more or less noise.
you have a common problem ... your model/serial number plate says 809-N, but you have a service button on the door. The 809-N did not have a service button (according to the schematic). You could have anything from a replacement door bezel to it being a different machine with the serial number plate swapped on.
the service button would just turn on a lamp on the light tower poking up from the top of the machine. If your door button is wired, look at the wire colors and look for a terminal block in the top compartment where the wires from the tower attach. See if you can figure out the wiring based on the colors, or if necessary use a meter to verify.
an 809-N rang the bell on a 777 or whenever the bar jackpot relay powers. The bar jackpot relay powers when you have three matching bar symbols.
the bell actually would stay ringing as long as the reels stayed on matching symbols, so if the player walked away, eventually I assume someone had to come by and shoot the machine to shut it up ... or at least drop in a coin to disconnect the pay circuit.
most machines would only ring the bell for the duration of the payout for non-jackpot wins - it would be easy to change the behavior of the 809-N to that mode by changing a wire on a bar jackpot relay switch.
you can test the circuits with jumper wires or a voltmeter. Have a preference? You usually need a couple jumper wires (alligator clip test leads) when using the meter since you often want to check voltages with the units inside the machine, so clipping the lead onto something and hanging the other end out the front to attach to the meter is the easiest way to check voltages.
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Thank you, I will track those wires and see what I can find.
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It looks like the reel glass is for an 808 model, since it says play 1 or 2 coins.
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Re: the lights,
Checking the actual light, socket, and wire connection tab would be first then proceed from there.
The buzz from the handle pull might be coming from the handle release coil/switches.
Try inserting a coin or depressing the coin trip wire. Wait a few seconds and slowly pull the handle.
See if that makes a difference, buzz or no buzz.
The bell and service/change light I believe operate on the same common solid blue wire.
There’s also the red wire that signals the bell when a jackpot is made.
Check the light(s) in the fixture on top of the machine.
The blue and or black/yellow wires should be traceable back to the switch.
Wire colors are from memory and may be different in your machine.
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The winner paid issue was the incorrect lightbulb installed.
The service light was a faulty switch.
The jackpot bell had the hammer stuck behind the bell now it rings on any payout or when the service button is pressed.
Thanks guys for your help.
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When I drop in the first coin is the light sometimes gets stuck on the second coin row and hums. Its like it doesn't want to reset the counter. Is there an adjustment to be made? I tried to post a video but the file was too big.
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I am not sure what this part is (122-101) but it looks a bit swollen, is this something I should be concerned with? Thank you.
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When I drop in the first coin is the light sometimes gets stuck on the second coin row and hums. Its like it doesn't want to reset the counter. Is there an adjustment to be made? I tried to post a video but the file was too big.
Put the video on YouTube and post the link here.
That part is a transformer. Likely, since your machine is mostly working, it's fine and it's not black from an overload and high heat. If there are issues later, you may be asked to check output voltages. Be careful... there's high voltage there! :lightningbolt: :lightningbolt: :lightningbolt:
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Thanks, I am surprised I didn't already light myself up :) I was able to reduce the video size, super grainy, turn up the volume to hear the struggle. thanks again
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This first coin light usually stays on permanently. The second coin in, then lights up and so on.
Possibly the odds unit is struggling to advance or reset.
Best to inspect for missing springs, burnt coil, obstructions.
Also, check the switch stack for loose screws.
Make sure the contacts are on the correct side of the round peg.
Then manually advance and reset.
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Thanks, I am surprised I didn't already light myself up :) I was able to reduce the video size, super grainy, turn up the volume to hear the struggle. thanks again
There is no video showing. It's only 49kb size. You need to post it on YOUTUBE, then put the link here.
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if your end will send it, you can email it to slotpics@cdyn.com and I'll stuff it someplace people can see. I have high incoming limits for attachments, but sometimes the sending server has lower limits.
if that's no good, you could try using the upload form on flyers.cdyn.com and see if that works, otherwise contact me at the above email and I'll send ya a link to a cloud drive you can upload it to.
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caneer's video here: https://bingo.cdyn.com/slots/809-N/pics/809-n%20-%20sticky_odds_reset.mp4
david lee's suggestion in post #16 is likely.
if you aren't familiar with servicing bally stepper units, there's quite a few videos on youtube. The key is you want the wipers to whizz back to the reset stop without slowing/stalling. Sometimes cleaning the crud off the rivets with isopropyl alcohol and a scrubby is good enough, but you may need to take things apart if there's dried lube on there.
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Thanks Guys!! I increased the tension on the stepper spring and now it wizzes back real fast.
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Thanks Guys!! I increased the tension on the stepper spring and now it wizzes back real fast.
fwiw, you can get away with that when a stepper unit doesn't step up too many times, but you should still verify the unit steps up all the way without struggling at the top step(s) if you add tension to the torsion spring.
the payout counter spins the wipers more than 720 degrees, so if the torsion spring is too tight, the unit can't step up far enough and you get runaway payout and/or safety shutdown.
2 turns of tension when the unit is reset is the normal amount, increasing to maybe 2.25 or 2.5. Anything more than that and the problem is elsewhere:
- cruddy rivets / wiper contacts
- sticky/dried lubrication on ratchet shaft
- excessive wiper tension onto the rivets
'course, someone may have installed the spring with too little tension, so try and remember the 2 turns rule so ya don't need to keep looking it up like I do.
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I just moved the spring over two holes. It wast much but it worked.
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Great that you got it going.
Have you cleaned the mechanical apparatus pertaining to the stepping and reset function,
since posting the photo?
It appears to have some dried lubricant on the pivot points.
This also will diminish performance.
Usually a solvent type oil applied 2-3 time with manually activation in between will help remove sludge.
Wipe clean and apply fresh lube such as 3 in 1 oil or any similar type oil.
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Thanks I will do that now.