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Setting up a chamII+ with an S+ as a stand alone.

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qbert:

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--- Quote from: Jay on March 08, 2006, 05:34:25 AM ---My theory is that Tims basement will soon be full and the auctions will be sane again....
With respect to a CON1 they only use 2 wires. If you momentarily short them it does trigger coin in and a 3sec short causes it to reset and go into a Jackpot. The ChamII+ uses 3 wires. The Mikohn manual has a lot of this information in it.
Why do you want to artificially trigger a jackpot ?? do you have something more than the display go off when it triggers ?

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--- Quote from: CommTech on September 16, 2008, 02:58:23 PM ---
--- Quote from: Slotness_Monster on March 08, 2006, 10:26:56 AM ---Jay,
It sounds like Tim wants to isolate multiple machines from each other and drive a single linked jackpot.
We often use relays (we call them ice-cubes because they are about 1" square and clear) to provide contacts that have their voltages isolated.
Tim, you may be on the right path for simplicity.
Later from the cockpit,
'da Monster
P.S. If you wonder what a Cessna C182 cockpit looks like . . . . . see my Avatar. Soon to be Tims Avatar when I hear from him.

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--- Quote from: CommTech on September 16, 2008, 03:09:38 PM ---
--- Quote from: Foster on March 15, 2006, 05:55:51 AM ---I have S+ Roundtop Game chip 731 or can use a 738,
Cham II+ ver 2.01, 60 size display
I figured out the wiring,  Triple checking everything.
Going by the Cham II+ manual and couple pics from this post.
I can if I try hard enough to get it to increment the amount and even think a Jackpot has been won. by

I am not getting any communication with the machine. 
Does having the computer interfaced to the Cham II+ prevent it, or is something else going on
I have the Machine and serial type set to type 8, and jackpot reset at 3 seconds
Do I enable Progressive in the machine or do I leave it off?


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--- Quote from: CommTech on September 16, 2008, 02:59:08 PM ---
--- Quote from: Jay on March 08, 2006, 11:53:30 AM ---Oh I get it now. He wants to use a CHAMII as a linked unit. Very cool.
The only issue is if the machines get very busy will the multiple machines going off in succession look like a single 3sec closed event to the Cham..Relays are not known for their speed.


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--- Quote from: CommTech on September 16, 2008, 03:09:38 PM ---
--- Quote from: Foster on March 15, 2006, 05:55:51 AM ---I have S+ Roundtop Game chip 731 or can use a 738,
Cham II+ ver 2.01, 60 size display
I figured out the wiring,  Triple checking everything.
Going by the Cham II+ manual and couple pics from this post.
I can if I try hard enough to get it to increment the amount and even think a Jackpot has been won. by

I am not getting any communication with the machine. 
Does having the computer interfaced to the Cham II+ prevent it, or is something else going on
I have the Machine and serial type set to type 8, and jackpot reset at 3 seconds
Do I enable Progressive in the machine or do I leave it off?


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--- Quote from: CommTech on September 16, 2008, 03:10:13 PM ---
--- Quote from: rickhunter on March 15, 2006, 06:30:21 AM ---You need to setup the machine as a linked progressive for it to send data to the chamII+.  On an SP731, it's done with the dip switches positions 5 and 8 must be on.

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--- Quote from: CommTech on September 16, 2008, 06:42:33 PM ---
--- Quote from: rickhunter on March 15, 2006, 03:57:08 PM ---Just curious, did you set it up as Stand Alone mode in the configuration menu in the ChamII+ (not in PSP)

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--- Quote from: Foster on March 15, 2006, 04:59:07 PM ---
--- Quote from: rickhunter on March 15, 2006, 03:57:08 PM ---Just curious, did you set it up as Stand Alone mode in the configuration menu in the ChamII+ (not in PSP)

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yes under DISP
JP GRP 1 = SA
Next?

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What is MFILE1 set to?

--- Quote from: Foster on March 15, 2006, 06:00:36 PM ---mfile = 4
I found the problem
Even though I had followed the wiring correctly, I was using 26 guage wire and the connectors in the 4 pin plug for the IGT wasnt cutting through the insulation (Teflon I think)
When I changed to 22 guage with normal insulation it started working
right now its incrementing properly and the jackpot condition cleared
now to reset the values and play with it
It even updated the progressive setting on the S+

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--- Quote from: CommTech on September 16, 2008, 06:48:16 PM ---
--- Quote from: Cactusjack on March 25, 2006, 10:13:12 AM ---
--- Quote from: Foster on March 25, 2006, 07:18:23 AM ---Few more things
What is the best way to lengthen the cables between the controller and display?
Build newer longer ones or make extensions for them?
I want the controller in the stand and the display above the machine.
Foster

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It may all depend on the length.  The electronics may not tolerate a much longer length than already provide.  They might start picking up other noise (like from the Fluorescent ballast and AC wiring).
As to cost, if you look up the price for the male type IDC connector needed to make an "Extension cord" of the ribbon cable, you will note they are extremely expensive (I just had to buy some for another project).  The cost of two normal Female IDC headers and some fresh ribbon cable will prove to be much cheaper.
If you are careful, you can line up the ribbon in the grooves of the connector and use a standard bench vice to press the two parts together.
Before you try to use your home made cable assy. It is best to make two tests on it.  First, make sure pin 1 goes to pin 1.  It is very easy to get this backwards.  Second, you should test for shorts between adjoining wires (like 1 to 2 to 3 and 2 to 3 to 4 etc.)  since it is also easy to crimp down just to the side of the wires and end up joining every adjoining wire together.  Once tested outside the machine, its time for the Smoke Test..........
Even after making a new cable that you are sure is a perfect copy, if you still have some weird display problems, the wire length is probably too long for the electronics.
Digikey also sells premade cable assemblies in varying length (both end to end or the extension type you mentioned).  Most are custom made after you order so it may add time to your delivery.  That's assuming they carry the number of pins you need.
CJ

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--- Quote from: CommTech on September 16, 2008, 06:51:25 PM ---
--- Quote from: Foster on March 25, 2006, 03:49:36 PM ---Guess I could mount that ugly controller on the back of the machine.
The display will be on the top of the machine, just wont see part of the candle.
I am not in the position to do wood working at all. Live in an Apartment.
Roundtop machine.
I will try to take both cables with me to the local electronic parts place I know he has the 2 pin connectors and the 10 or so IDC connectors, just do not know if he has the connector that goes into the power supply

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--- Quote from: idesign on March 25, 2006, 05:20:20 PM ---Why not just leave the controller in the top box.   That's where the CHAMII+ is located when the machines are in a casino.

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--- Quote from: CommTech on September 16, 2008, 06:53:00 PM ---
--- Quote from: Foster on March 25, 2006, 05:59:31 PM ---That be a small problem for my setup.
None of my award glass is has the window for the mikohn 60x8 display, so until this afternoon, the display was sitting on the top door ledge. covering part of the award glass, I have the short roundtop (no player tracking plate)
The controller is velcroed to back of machine
I had a black matt frame made today to hold the display no glass.  and just velroed it to top of the machine. and then moved candle to top of the frame for now. As long as you dont look too closely at the back area it looks very clean for now.

Hey anyone have a progressive label that goes in the award glass I have one but need a second one for Sugar N Spice glass. 
I suspect if you get all spice or all sugar symbols it pays the progressive since it also has a lower none progressive value for mixed sugar and spice symbols (game chip comes back as a cats n dogs game)

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qbert:

--- Quote from: CommTech on September 16, 2008, 06:54:05 PM ---
--- Quote from: idesign on March 25, 2006, 06:04:58 PM ---I have a short RT machine too.  I have been toying with the idea of making something that would sit on top of the machine.  My idea was to have the display mounted on a chrome tube where the candle is and then mount to candle on top of the display.  The wires would feed through the candle hole on top of the machine.  Please upload a photo of what yours looks like.

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--- Quote from: CommTech on September 16, 2008, 06:56:38 PM ---
--- Quote from: Slotness_Monster on March 25, 2006, 07:27:03 PM ---If your choice is pipe then you could use a floor flange. Should find them at Lowes/Home Depot.
Flat Black might not be your first thought, but this color will fade into the background. Chrome would be hard to find.


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qbert:

--- Quote from: CommTech on September 16, 2008, 06:59:03 PM ---
--- Quote from: cessnac182golf on March 25, 2006, 09:39:33 PM ---I was going to make one for my new roundtop similar to the three that I have made for the 16". I am planning to make a small base that is apx. 3/4" high above the peak and about 4" wide and then an apx 17" long X 4" High box to house the display. I was going to make it only 4" deep and provide hidden slots ( one on the bottom and one on the top were you will not see them) for cooling. The candle or topper would mount dead center on the top. I could make several at the same time and the formica work would be a lot easier because there are no complex angles like on the 16".
OH.......forgot to mention........the CHAMII+ will need to be inside with the power supply. If you use longer ribbon cable, be sure to use a choke ( the round magnet that has the wire wrapped around it)to limit interference.
and...........question.............this go bananas game. I can not get it to do a 2 level progressive. There are two award levels : 2500 and 300. With the set chip in it is set up for 31-3 but when I try to set up the progressive levels it will only do 1 through 4 and with the set chip (090) out,  running game chip 1274 the test shows 31-1. Book says that it is because the game will not support 2 levels, only one. Is this right?    Thanks   Tim   arrow   
PS.....How big are the displays (size) that Joey has hooked up to the CON1?

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--- Quote from: CommTech on September 16, 2008, 07:00:33 PM ---
--- Quote from: Jay on March 25, 2006, 10:25:28 PM ---Tim: That looks like an awsome machine. Can you give us another pic zoomed out so we can see your progressive add on in full glory and your topper.
Rick: I am running off a 1271 game chip and it is working with multi-level progressive (top link) secondary .... but I am not sure the reel chip will recognise this or if it will just pay out the 240....

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Rick: Does the secondary level increment?

--- Quote from: Jay on March 26, 2006, 09:50:05 AM ---Yes both increment.
My best guess is that the 1271 Game handles the progressive settings but I think the paytable would be in the reel chip.... and my suspicion is that the "HOOK" to pay out a secondary progressive might not be there.


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--- Quote from: CommTech on September 16, 2008, 07:05:02 PM ---
--- Quote from: cessnac182golf on March 27, 2006, 03:38:42 PM ---Hey Rick.....you have a CON2.........I have found someone who has the CON2 and a supreme controller with a power supply (for my big board) and I purchased both. I just received an email that after telling him what I games that I am running that he says that he thinks I need a "CON2 I".........the I being IGT, and that he must check his inventory but he has the regular CON2's. I am running all the info off the IGT's through CHAMII+ units and do not need to get the signal directly off the machines. I am not looking for the information that the casinos want, just coin in and jackpot signals (if I ever happen to hit one  :91-) The regular CON2.............it communicates with the CHAMII+ units....right? And enables the jack.do files.............Right?  So.do I need the "CON2 I" or will the regular flavor do?  Thanks!     Tim

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--- Quote from: CommTech on September 16, 2008, 07:06:37 PM ---
--- Quote from: Jay on March 27, 2006, 03:58:57 PM ---Tim,
If you use your ChamII+ as standalones they can send the coin info to the CON2.... however they remain as standalone, each with their own jackpot info specific to the machine. This then lets the CON2 have a second pooled Jackpot but you would only be displaying that on your supreme or other display.... not on the local in machine display.
If you want a pure link configuration then the S+ machine talks to the CON2 and the CON2 talks to the CHamII+ this way they are all showing the same value (and messages) and a coin in on any machine adds to the pool.
Although you can put a CHamII+ in a link mode... its a real waste. A lot of people have the ChamII's (not plus model) that they would love to trade you + $$ for the II+ (just a suggestion)....


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--- Quote from: CommTech on September 16, 2008, 07:08:40 PM ---
--- Quote from: cessnac182golf on March 27, 2006, 04:33:42 PM ---Thanks!  So let me see if I have this right....the CHAMII+ will communicate to the CON2 (regular) and then the CON2 will talk to the big board and the big board would display the single linked progressive and the machines would be standalone units still displaying the jackpot of that particular machine. In the case of the CON2 I....That unit reads the info directly from the machines and then relays that info back to the CHAMII or CHAMII+ units. How dose the JACK.DO files work with these setups? I have a feeling that I'M going to have a hard time getting and or finding the "I" model.......and that probably means a lot more bucks.  :37-  What I had in-visioned was this............Each machine having a display.......and not all having the same thing showing......Different progressive amounts were every coin in would add to the big jackpot ......displayed on the big board. And then the big board switching from the big jackpot display to  showing all 6 individual present progressive jackpots (the board is set up to be one and or a combo of up to 6 totally different displays) and then back to the mega jackpot. But I want to be able to program the CHAMII+'s (or chamII ) to use the JACK.DO files ...................and get the infamous...2 Min Time Out!. What do you think Jay....should I hold out for the I model?   Thanks!   Tim  :5-

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--- Quote from: CommTech on September 16, 2008, 07:10:14 PM ---
--- Quote from: rickhunter on March 27, 2006, 04:51:34 PM ---Tim to the best of my knowledge, there are 4 models of con2 controllers, two of which are for fiber links (IF and AF).  The other 2 are the Con2A and the Con2I.  You will need the Con2I to do everything, you do not need 2 con2's.  The con2I will interface with IGT equipment and your ChamII+'s.  IF you run a 2 level progressive the top prize in any machine will always be Jackpot1, and the 2nd prize would be the In-Machine displays (jackpot2).  You should be able to display both jackpots in your displays.  Though I don't know how to program 2 independent displays.  I think they would all be clones of each other.  You could set up the machines to run the local Mfiles and the big sign to run jack1.do, etc and mess.do files for the timeout so they don't all display the same thing.

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--- Quote from: CommTech on September 16, 2008, 07:11:03 PM ---
--- Quote from: Jay on March 27, 2006, 05:59:09 PM ---It is my understanding that there are two configs.....
S+ ---Coin Detect ---> ChamII+ running standalone progressive (not link)-----> Coin Detect ---->Con2 ------> Output to display for linked prog
(I also think that this could look like as I have not seen any documentation to support the top)
S+ --> Coin Detect ---> ChamII+ running standalone progressive (not link)
     --> Coin Detect ---> Con2 ------> Output to display for linked prog
OR
S+ ---Coin Detect ---> Con2 --> Output to display for linked prog & ChamII/ChamII+
In this second configuration which is the most common the output can all be the same or as Rick describes the CON2 has multiple outputs that can display a different jackpot group and messages.
The big difference between the CON1 & CON2 is that the CON2 can drive CHAMII/II+ and supremes and have different outputs.
The CON1 can only drive LED4/LED5 and all output is pretty much the same.
On the LED4/5 stuff you can change the dip switches to display progressive amounts from any group but then you loose the messaging on those devices and it only displays the $ value.
 
 

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--- Quote from: CommTech on September 16, 2008, 07:13:10 PM ---
--- Quote from: cessnac182golf on March 27, 2006, 06:07:44 PM ---Thanks!   It sounds like the CON2a would not be able to make the JACK.DO files work (and the 2 min time out). Right? 
And thanks again for all of your help!!   Tim :5-

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--- Quote from: rickhunter on March 27, 2006, 06:47:19 PM ---the con2a will do that with Bally and Williams machines.  But if you want it to interface with your S+, gotta get Con2I

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qbert:

--- Quote from: CommTech on September 16, 2008, 07:15:01 PM ---
--- Quote from: cessnac182golf on March 28, 2006, 09:57:57 PM ---Well Jay.here are the pictures of the displays and the toppers. The Volcano display is pending as is the 4th but I thought you just might like to see those toppers as well. 1 per post  :32- speed

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--- Quote from: CommTech on September 16, 2008, 07:19:26 PM ---
--- Quote from: cessnac182golf on March 28, 2006, 10:01:18 PM ---Just how many Volcano games have there own lava lamp as a candle?
And nothing like Betty to top the 4th
And "Play Max Coins to WIN A Motorcycle! Jack.DO

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qbert:

--- Quote from: CommTech on September 16, 2008, 07:21:03 PM ---
--- Quote from: cessnac182golf on March 28, 2006, 10:14:24 PM ---Could always mount a garden hose on top of this one...And when you hit the Tidal wave...Splash!

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