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**Reel Slots** Gaming Machines => IGT S and S-plus Reel Games => Topic started by: war pigs 64 on February 04, 2017, 02:46:24 AM
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HI. I have a 1997 IGT S-plus the candle on top is flashing yellow telling me the door is open I checked the optics and they are good also checked mother board and processor and wiring and they are good............... plz help
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What the machine is doing? Does anything else light up besides the candle? Are there any numbers showing in the winner paid display etc? Can you take a picture and post it there so we can see the machine? Welcome to NLG.
Dave
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everything lights up and the reels spin but doesn't except coin drops to tray but on the back of the coin acceptor if you push the white button then the machine will play and also makes sounds. I pulled a coin comparator from a working machine and it made no difference but win I blocked rake open the coin dropped to the hopper and showed a credit and played not sure why?????. And the candle is flashing yellow I checked the optics and there good.
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Is there a sample coin in the coin comparator?
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yes
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Have you tried blocking the rake on the comparator open to see if the coin goes to the hopper and registers a credit?
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Post a picture of the comparator showing the coin. You would not believe how many times it is inserted wrong
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Have you tried blocking the rake on the comparator open to see if the coin goes to the hopper and registers a credit?
yes
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Help US to help YOU, did you see reply #6 above?
Reply #6
Post a picture of the comparator showing the coin. You would not believe how many times it is inserted wrong
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Post a picture of the comparator showing the coin. You would not believe how many times it is inserted wrong
It is in the right way. I blocked the rake open and the coin dropped to the hopper and showed a credit and the machine played not sure why???? I pulled the coin acceptor from a working machine
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everything lights up and the reels spin but doesn't except coin drops to tray but on the back of the coin acceptor if you push the white button then the machine will play and also makes sounds. I pulled a coin comparator from a working machine and it made no difference but win I blocked rake open the coin dropped to the hopper and showed a credit and played not sure why? ??? ?. And the candle is flashing yellow I checked the optics and there good.
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Post a picture of the comparator showing the coin. You would not believe how many times it is inserted wrong
It is in the right way. I blocked the rake open and the coin dropped to the hopper and showed a credit and the machine played not sure why???? I pulled the coin acceptor from a working machine
No offense, but WE need to see that it is in the right way. If you are not willing to follow suggestions then you will find the amount of help you receive drops off. Everyone here volunteers their time, no one is paid to give you this help, it is donated by people that could use the time for other things. You can make it easier for people to try to help, or you can make it more difficult. Guess what happens when it is more difficult?
On some problems we can't help as well without a photo, so post one of the coin comparitor mounted inside the main door. When blocking the rake open allows a coin to get accepted that usually indicates a problem with the comparitor or its connections or its setup or the sample coin you are using.
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Have you tried blocking the rake on the comparator open to see if the coin goes to the hopper and registers a credit?
yes it does go through to the hopper and registers a credit and it played. The coin comparator came from a working machine so I know it works
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Post a picture of the comparator showing the coin. You would not believe how many times it is inserted wrong
It is in the right way. I blocked the rake open and the coin dropped to the hopper and showed a credit and the machine played not sure why? ??? I pulled the coin acceptor from a working machine
No offense, but WE need to see that it is in the right way. If you are not willing to follow suggestions then you will find the amount of help you receive drops off. Everyone here volunteers their time, no one is paid to give you this help, it is donated by people that could use the time for other things. You can make it easier for people to try to help, or you can make it more difficult. Guess what happens when it is more difficult?
On some problems we can't help as well without a photo, so post one of the coin comparitor mounted inside the main door. When blocking the rake open allows a coin to get accepted that usually indicates a problem with the comparitor or its connections or its setup or the sample coin you are using.
sorry I am new at this please be patient with me. I do appreciate all the help from all of you. I will post a pic as soon as possible and I would love to make a donation for the help
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sorry I am new at this please be patient with me. I do appreciate all the help from all of you. I will post a pic as soon as possible and I would love to make a donation for the help
A photo will be great, hopefully we will see something amiss in the photo or it will cause another idea that leads to solving the problem. A donation is very much appreciated, thanks for doing that. There is a link on the left side of the homepage, or many NLG members have a link at the bottom of each post they make.
NLG homepage:
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sorry I am new at this please be patient with me. I do appreciate all the help from all of you. I will post a pic as soon as possible and I would love to make a donation for the help
A photo will be great, hopefully we will see something amiss in the photo or it will cause another idea that leads to solving the problem. A donation is very much appreciated, thanks for doing that. There is a link on the left side of the homepage, or many NLG members have a link at the bottom of each post they make.
NLG homepage:
[url]http://newlifegames.com/nlg/index.php[/url] ([url]http://newlifegames.com/nlg/index.php[/url])
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Did the comparator you took out of this machine work in the other machine then? That would tell you if it is the comparator or if the trouble lies in electronics etc. If we can eliminate a thing or two we can get closer to figuring this out. There is a possibility of maybe a couple of things going on.
Dave
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Did the comparator you took out of this machine work in the other machine then? That would tell you if it is the comparator or if the trouble lies in electronics etc. If we can eliminate a thing or two we can get closer to figuring this out. There is a possibility of maybe a couple of things going on.
Dave
yes the comparator worked in the other machine. the candle is still flashing yellow ran input test 13_0 and the 0 did not flash on and off it just stayed on. I checked the door optic with the other machine and they are good and checked the wire for power going to the optic and it is good I checked the cash can wires and they were tide together. and there is no switch or optic in the belly door. I thank the machine is trying to tell me there is a door tilt. ??? ??
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The candle will flash yellow until a paid credit is played. All that is telling you is that the door has been opened. So ignore that part. If everything is checking out try putting a coin in. The candle will not shut off playing a credit from the comparitor button. But if a coin credit is played it will shut off.
Dave
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The ONLY reason the candle flashes is to alert the Casino that the door has been opened or it has hit a jackpot and needs a handpay.
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The candle will flash yellow until a paid credit is played. All that is telling you is that the door has been opened. So ignore that part. If everything is checking out try putting a coin in. The candle will not shut off playing a credit from the comparitor button. But if a coin credit is played it will shut off.
Dave
the coin keeps dropping to the tray. I blocked the rake open on the coin competitor and it played and the yellow light is still flashing something ain't right
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Maybe a dumb question here but that looks like a token in the comparitor - hard to tell with those new style quarters all being different by state.
Are you putting in a quarter or the same type of token?
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Maybe a dumb question here but that looks like a token in the comparitor - hard to tell with those new style quarters all being different by state.
Are you putting in a quarter or the same type of token?
it is a quarters
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The candle will flash yellow until a paid credit is played. All that is telling you is that the door has been opened. So ignore that part. If everything is checking out try putting a coin in. The candle will not shut off playing a credit from the comparitor button. But if a coin credit is played it will shut off.
Dave
the coin keeps dropping to the tray. I blocked the rake open on the coin competitor and it played and the yellow light is still flashing something ain't right
If you blocked the rake open and with the door closed, it accepted a coin and registered a credit, then played that credit. But the bottom light of the candle is still flashing afterwards, it sounds like the machine still "thinks" the door is open.When you close and latch the door, do the displays go off and come back on again? Your first post sounds like the machine is ready to play but won't accept coins. You say the optics test out good but are you sure they are lined up correctly? You can check that with tape on the cabinet and door and with a pencil mark. The thing that bothers me is the bottom of the candle still flashing. Unless there is a bare wire shorting out, it just keeps reading the door open. :Scratch-Head: Let's go through the whole start up....Door open switch on, Reel lights etc. come on, reels spin, bottom of candle flashes and the insert coin and credits lights both come on. When you close and latch the door the candle goes off the display lights go off, then the bottom of the candle starts flashing again the reels spin again then the insert coin light comes on and the credits light comes back on. Are all of these things happening?
Dave
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If you blocked the rake open and with the door closed, it accepted a coin and registered a credit, then played that credit. But the bottom light of the candle is still flashing afterwards, it sounds like the machine still "thinks" the door is open.
It is impossible to play a game if the machine thinks the door is open (test games using the pseudo coin button on the coin-in optics excluded, of course).
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The ONLY reason the candle flashes is to alert the Casino that the door has been opened or it has hit a jackpot and needs a handpay.
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I just read this thread from the beginning! reply # 17 caught my interest, if the door optics do not work then the machine can never get into the game play mode. when you run input test 13_0, you have to close the door and move the latch to the full down position, at this point ( if the optics are good and aligned properly) the 0 should start changing from a 0 to a 1 and continue toggling as long as the optics are aligned. if it is not toggling, then you have to find out why! you said the optics work in the other machine, so now we are down to alignment, you can check alignment by slowly bringing up the latch bar assembly, if the optics were out of align at some point they will align and the 0 will start to flash to a 1, if this never occurs then you have a grounding problem or the board is bad or the motherboard is bad. if the board works in the other machine, I would guess a ground problem. usually J-10 on the mother board, last wire on the right, a green/blue wire. the door optics have to work before a normal game will operate with the door closed.
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I just read this thread from the beginning! reply # 17 caught my interest, if the door optics do not work then the machine can never get into the game play mode. when you run input test 13_0, you have to close the door and move the latch to the full down position, at this point ( if the optics are good and aligned properly) the 0 should start changing from a 0 to a 1 and continue toggling as long as the optics are aligned. if it is not toggling, then you have to find out why! you said the optics work in the other machine, so now we are down to alignment, you can check alignment by slowly bringing up the latch bar assembly, if the optics were out of align at some point they will align and the 0 will start to flash to a 1, if this never occurs then you have a grounding problem or the board is bad or the motherboard is bad. if the board works in the other machine, I would guess a ground problem. usually J-10 on the mother board, last wire on the right, a green/blue wire. the door optics have to work before a normal game will operate with the door closed.
I tried everthing with door optic and nothing work .If your standing in front of the machine looking at the mother board the very back right harness show a black/blue wire loop on the right side and on the lift side of the harness shows a green wire. At the cash can box there are 2 wires one go's to the cabinet optic the other one go's to cash box I tested them neither one has power I traced them and both are grounds so I untwisted the wires then I checked the cabinet optic for power and there was no power then I twisted the wires back together then I retested the cabinet optic for power and thy have power now. so does that mean the ground is a loop and it is good and I checked the door optic for power and it has power but these wire run back to the upc board. and if you touch the inside of the metal cabinet you can feel a light shock I don't thank that's supposed to happen
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You swapped the door optics parts with another machine when troubleshooting. Did you get them reversed when you installed them? The connector on each optic part is the same so they can be put in the wrong place but won't work if reversed. One optic is the transmitter, the other optic is the receiver. You have to go by the color of the wire to know which one goes on the door and which one goes on the cabinet frame.
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You swapped the door optics parts with another machine when troubleshooting. Did you get them reversed when you installed them? The connector on each optic part is the same so they can be put in the wrong place but won't work if reversed. One optic is the transmitter, the other optic is the receiver. You have to go by the color of the wire to know which one goes on the door and which one goes on the cabinet frame.
Yes there in the right place
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Ok, let's figure this out! door optic should have the red/black wires on it. when you unplug the optic, you should read +5vdc on the two pin connector, the two wires are, 55wire(green) it goes from that connector to the belly switch connector, there should be a jumper plug in the belly door switch connector, it comes out of that connector as a 54 wire ( green/ yellow) and goes to pin 20 of J203 (which is mounted on the top board cage housing. the other wire is a 07 wire(black/violet) it goes directly to pin 19 of J203. that's it for the door optic.
Cabinet optic. white and red wires, when you unplug the cabinet optic, you should read+ 8-10 vdc on the two pin connector, the two wires are 22 wire (red) it goes directly to J-10 pin 19, the other wire 56 (green/blue ) goes to the cash can switch connector, should bypass that switch, connect to the 55 wire (green) and it goes back to J-10 pin 20. that's it for the cabinet optic. The green wires are ground wires. don't go shorting anything to the cabinet, you may damage something else. with the power off, you should be able to read zero ohms from the green wires to the metal chassis.
Hope this helps
Jim
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Ok, let's figure this out! door optic should have the red/black wires on it. when you unplug the optic, you should read +5vdc on the two pin connector, the two wires are, 55wire(green) it goes from that connector to the belly switch connector, there should be a jumper plug in the belly door switch connector, it comes out of that connector as a 54 wire ( green/ yellow) and goes to pin 20 of J203 (which is mounted on the top board cage housing. the other wire is a 07 wire(black/violet) it goes directly to pin 19 of J203. that's it for the door optic.
Cabinet optic. white and red wires, when you unplug the cabinet optic, you should read+ 8-10 vdc on the two pin connector, the two wires are 22 wire (red) it goes directly to J-10 pin 19, the other wire 56 (green/blue ) goes to the cash can switch connector, should bypass that switch, connect to the 55 wire (green) and it goes back to J-10 pin 20. that's it for the cabinet optic. The green wires are ground wires. don't go shorting anything to the cabinet, you may damage something else. with the power off, you should be able to read zero ohms from the green wires to the metal chassis.
Hope this helps
Jim
Ok once again I checked the voltage on the door optic and they read 4.8 and then I checked the cabinet optic they read 8.57 and I also checked the 2 wires going to the cash box and they have no voltage are they supposed. or are they just grounds then I checked the ground to the metal chassis and it ohms out to 0
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Let's try this. Tell us everything that happens. Unplug machine, open door, turn machine on, plug machine in. Tell us everything in order of what happens next. Or better yet shoot a video, should not take longer than 30 seconds I would think. Post to youtube and paste link here. If it were in front of any of us it would be running by now. Since we can't see it, it is more difficult. Sorry, going back and reading everything, you state with the rake blocked open, and the door closed and latched, that it accepted a coin and played a game. If this is what is happening, then it may be just a bad solenoid on the rake or wiring to the rake.
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Let's try this. Tell us everything that happens. Unplug machine, open door, turn machine on, plug machine in. Tell us everything in order of what happens next. Or better yet shoot a video, should not take longer than 30 seconds I would think. Post to youtube and paste link here. If it were in front of any of us it would be running by now. Since we can't see it, it is more difficult. Sorry, going back and reading everything, you state with the rake blocked open, and the door closed and latched, that it accepted a coin and played a game. If this is what is happening, then it may be just a bad solenoid on the rake or wiring to the rake.
I am sure it would be running by now if it was in front of any of you. This is my personal slot machine it the first time I have ever worked on one. So please hold your sarcasm to yourself. So let me start from the beginning. I turn the machine on and then the reel spin the I shut the door the candle never go out or comes back on it just keeps flashing the machine says to insert coin but the coin just drops to the tray so I ran a optic test 13-0 and the 0 never flashed off and on so I thank it in the 2 wires going to the cash box there is no voltage or are they just grounds
and yes I did swop optic from a working machine so I know they work
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Sarcasm??? We are trying to help you. We do not get paid for this, just for the love of the game. Jim explained the wiring perfectly. the cash box wires do not have voltage. Just twist together and tape. Open your front drop door (Belly Door) upper left side will be a switch with 2 wires. Pull them off switch and tape together. Now again, The Rake. If blocked open, does the machine work every time??
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Sarcasm??? We are trying to help you. We do not get paid for this, just for the love of the game. Jim explained the wiring perfectly. the cash box wires do not have voltage. Just twist together and tape. Open your front drop door (Belly Door) upper left side will be a switch with 2 wires. Pull them off switch and tape together. Now again, The Rake. If blocked open, does the machine work every time??
there is no switch in the belly door just a loop wire upper lift side I checked the door optic volt 4.8 and the cabinet optic volt 8.9 so there ok. The rake blocked open yes it works every time. I have 2 other IGT S-plus machine and the to 2 wires that go to the cash box have voltage of 8.9 and if you disconnect the candle starts flashing and machine will not play. reconnect them plays fine. that's why I ask about the wires I was hoping that was it. Sorry I took your msg the wrong way and thank you very much for helping me.
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I'm curious about the door. When the door is open and the machine on, when you close and latch the door, do the displays go off for a second or two then come back on? Does the candle go off and come back on also?
You have to understand from our standpoint, we have members with decades of experience on these machines. And everything you're saying is so contrary to ordinary, that it feels like we're stuck in the middle of a fake news story. The machine doesn't pass the Door Optics test (13) but you can block the rake open and it accepts a coin, registers a credit and will play, as you said "every time." Very odd.
Let me know about the displays and candle when you close and latch the door.
Dave
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I'm curious about the door. When the door is open and the machine on, when you close and latch the door, do the displays go off for a second or two then come back on? Does the candle go off and come back on also?
You have to understand from our standpoint, we have members with decades of experience on these machines. And everything you're saying is so contrary to ordinary, that it feels like we're stuck in the middle of a fake news story. The machine doesn't pass the Door Optics test (13) but you can block the rake open and it accepts a coin, registers a credit and will play, as you said "every time." Very odd.
Let me know about the displays and candle when you close and latch the door.
Dave
[/quote I run through all the test again and this is what happened when turn the machine on and closed door the display and candle go off and come back on and the reels spin. optic test 13-0 does not pass / ran a coin optic test using a popsicle stick 11-01/12-01 and it past. I put a coin in and drop to the tray so I block the rake open again and drop a quarter through now it says 21 in winner paid. So now the machine makes me look like F---- IDIOT. I am so ready to put this machine out on the curb and get rid of this nightmare. PS. maybe moving the parts and wiring around made it start acting right who knows.
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OK we have a BINGO now. When you blocked the rake it allows coins to go thru just like a pseudo credit with the door open even though the door is closed the machine is not seeing it. Thus optics or wiring. Here is your next step and please don't blow it off. Remove your reel glass and put the display on without any screws. Then close the door and look at the optics. They should be perfectly aligned. The one on the door has no adjustment up or down only in and out. The cabinet side has up and down adjustment. Since you have put these optics in another machine, we know they are good. Again ignore that pesky flashing light. It will not stop until the machine see's the door as closed and a paid game played. If this does not work, post where you live and maybe we have a member nearby that can come in person to help.
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OK we have a BINGO now. When you blocked the rake it allows coins to go thru just like a pseudo credit with the door open even though the door is closed the machine is not seeing it. Thus optics or wiring. Here is your next step and please don't blow it off. Remove your reel glass and put the display on without any screws. Then close the door and look at the optics. They should be perfectly aligned. The one on the door has no adjustment up or down only in and out. The cabinet side has up and down adjustment. Since you have put these optics in another machine, we know they are good. Again ignore that pesky flashing light. It will not stop until the machine see's the door as closed and a paid game played. If this does not work, post where you live and maybe we have a member nearby that can come in person to help.
it did not work. so I removed the door optic with the wiring connected closed the door just enough so I could reach in and line up the optic up by hand I even had them touching face to face still did not work. I live in San Antonio Texas
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......So now the machine makes me look like F---- IDIOT. I am so ready to put this machine out on the curb and get rid of this nightmare......I live in San Antonio Texas
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unplug it and store it in case you ever need parts for your other machines.
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I had called them be for he to expensive for me. thanks anyway
Well, they are a business and need to be paid for the repair work they do. Besides, what choices do you have, you've tried all the normal things a homeowner can do to get it working.
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OK maybe this will finally get it. Here is a video showing how it works. Since you have another machine you should have noticed it.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MuRzD-bHmeY (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MuRzD-bHmeY)
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I had called them be for he to expensive for me. thanks anyway
Well, they are a business and need to be paid for the repair work they do. Besides, what choices do you have, you've tried all the normal things a homeowner can do to get it working.
yeah it suck when you live on a fixed income. Thanks for trying to help me I sure appreciate it.
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A fixed income? This is an addictive hobby. One machine leads to another and so on. I have 26 personal machines and would get more if I had more room. Don't you give up now. We have a lot of time in you. It has to work again.
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OK maybe this will finally get it. Here is a video showing how it works. Since you have another machine you should have noticed it.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MuRzD-bHmeY (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MuRzD-bHmeY)
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A fixed income? This is an addictive hobby. One machine leads to another and so on. I have 26 personal machines and would get more if I had more room. Don't you give up now. We have a lot of time in you. It has to work again.
I 'm hooked now there's no turning back. Can't giving up now I met a lot of great people on here and thanks for all of the help
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thanks for the video. my machine does the opposite it just stays on so will keep trying the door optic and thanks again for help me
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what did you find out to get this machine running, I see the topic solved icon?
Jim
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what did you find out to get this machine running, I see the topic solved icon?
Jim
don't know it just stared working. All I did was pug it in I guess it has a mind of its own.