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Title: IGT S Plus Coral Reef not taking coins
Post by: sgolembiewski0903 on September 27, 2018, 04:16:24 PM
Here's what I know:
The coin in the cc is seated properly
I tried putting a piece of paper to hold the rake open, it does effectively hold the rake open
I closed the machine to try to insert money and now I am getting error code 21 - I read that to clear it all you have to do is open and close the door, but I'm having no luck with that
Also, as you can see in one of the pics, I tried dropping some quarters into the coin optic sensor and about 50% of the time the quarter would get stuck , not sure if that's a problem that will go away once everything else is working...
That's where I'm at with it...!


Here are some pics, sorry again for the imgur link, I keep getting told my file size is too big to post them directly


https://imgur.com/a/04GeOBw
Title: Re: IGT S Plus Coral Reef not taking coins
Post by: therockinelvis on September 27, 2018, 04:28:52 PM

Did you try the sensitivity screw. Turn all the way counter clockwise. The 21 should clear just by opening and closing the door and latching. It means coin in error
Title: Re: IGT S Plus Coral Reef not taking coins
Post by: sgolembiewski0903 on September 27, 2018, 04:53:12 PM
Just tried the sensitivity screw, it was already turned all the way. I've tried opening and closing the door and it's not clearing, is there a special way to clear that? Do I have to turn the jackpot key or anything like that?
Title: Re: IGT S Plus Coral Reef not taking coins
Post by: sixcardmark on September 27, 2018, 05:13:14 PM
Here's what I know:
The coin in the cc is seated properly
I tried putting a piece of paper to hold the rake open, it does effectively hold the rake open
I closed the machine to try to insert money and now I am getting error code 21 - I read that to clear it all you have to do is open and close the door, but I'm having no luck with that
Also, as you can see in one of the pics, I tried dropping some quarters into the coin optic sensor and about 50% of the time the quarter would get stuck , not sure if that's a problem that will go away once everything else is working...
That's where I'm at with it...!


Here are some pics, sorry again for the imgur link, I keep getting told my file size is too big to post them directly


https://imgur.com/a/04GeOBw


That coin should not be sitting there under the optics.  Looks like the hopper overflow diverter (flap) is stuck halfway open causing the coins to jam.
Title: Re: IGT S Plus Coral Reef not taking coins
Post by: sgolembiewski0903 on September 27, 2018, 05:45:51 PM
The coin has been removed!
Title: Re: IGT S Plus Coral Reef not taking coins
Post by: Jim on September 27, 2018, 05:58:55 PM
make sure the dirverter flap is working and staying shut, you can move the dirverter plunger using your finger, make sure it moves back and forth freely,  you should be able to drop coins into the optic and they should exit the bottom of the optic and travel onto the flap into the chute to send them to the hopper.

if there are no obstructions  the 21 should clear by opening and closing the door.
Title: Re: IGT S Plus Coral Reef not taking coins
Post by: sgolembiewski0903 on September 27, 2018, 06:03:09 PM
Are you guys certain that the code 21 is a coin-in error (according to the common codes sheet, it's supposed to be a coin-in error...?


They say it's a coin-optics error here: http://newlifegames.com/nlg/index.php?topic=2472.0 (http://newlifegames.com/nlg/index.php?topic=2472.0)
Title: Re: IGT S Plus Coral Reef not taking coins
Post by: sixcardmark on September 27, 2018, 06:25:13 PM
It's six of one and half dozen the other.  :rotfl:
Title: Re: IGT S Plus Coral Reef not taking coins
Post by: sgolembiewski0903 on September 27, 2018, 06:30:24 PM
Oof, I must admit I feel a little beat up by this machine today, going to take a break for the night... the diverter and plunger work great, the coin's are (occasionally) getting stuck because the metal chute (the one that sends the coins from the entire coin system to the hopper) that sits under where the coin falls out is not pushed in far enough, so coins are dropping/getting stuck on the edge of the chute entrance/hole. I don't exactly see how you can push it in further.



Title: Re: IGT S Plus Coral Reef not taking coins
Post by: sgolembiewski0903 on September 27, 2018, 06:31:31 PM
It's six of one and half dozen the other.  :rotfl:


Ah, I see. Well then I'm a little stumped, my brain's gone dead for the night!
Title: Re: IGT S Plus Coral Reef not taking coins
Post by: sixcardmark on September 27, 2018, 07:33:02 PM
Do the coin-in optic tests per reply #9: http://newlifegames.com/nlg/index.php?topic=2472.0 (http://newlifegames.com/nlg/index.php?topic=2472.0)  Good info there.
Title: Re: IGT S Plus Coral Reef not taking coins
Post by: sgolembiewski0903 on September 30, 2018, 03:11:37 PM
Do the coin-in optic tests per reply #9: [url]http://newlifegames.com/nlg/index.php?topic=2472.0[/url] ([url]http://newlifegames.com/nlg/index.php?topic=2472.0[/url])  Good info there.



Thanks, I'm working on that right now... but I have two questions:


1) The display does not go blank for a few second when I open and close the door, in the instructions it seems like that is a pre-requisite for the testing. HOWEVER, I did the test anyways and it passed all the tests.


2) I'm going to try taking off the optics and clean the eyes, is there a trick to taking off the plug? I'm having a little difficulty and don't want to break anything!
Title: Re: IGT S Plus Coral Reef not taking coins
Post by: sgolembiewski0903 on September 30, 2018, 03:46:25 PM
So I got that clip off... kind of a dumb design having a to use a pry in two spots but whatever! I only have 8 wires going into the 10-pin, but I'm guessing that's just the design of this machine.

As seen in the pics I got the screws off the optic assembly... I don't see how to get the other side off though, do I just grip it with some pliers and yank it off?

https://imgur.com/a/I6nta5z
Title: Re: IGT S Plus Coral Reef not taking coins
Post by: therockinelvis on September 30, 2018, 05:20:48 PM
Clean only with water dampened lint free cloth.
Title: Re: IGT S Plus Coral Reef not taking coins
Post by: sgolembiewski0903 on September 30, 2018, 05:30:03 PM
Clean only with water dampened lint free cloth.


Okay, now do you know if I have to clean the backside? I just unscrewed the frontside, but I'm uncertain of how to get the backside off? DO I just pull it out?
Title: Re: IGT S Plus Coral Reef not taking coins
Post by: therockinelvis on September 30, 2018, 05:35:19 PM
I've only taken one apart to change the denom. Usually clean with a q-tip . Did I read that when you open your door  then close and latch, that the lcd stays lit and not go blank?
Title: Re: IGT S Plus Coral Reef not taking coins
Post by: sixcardmark on September 30, 2018, 05:46:49 PM
You need to pop the coin comparitor out of the tabs and remove.  That will expose two screws to remove the whole metal bracket the comparitor and optics are attached to,  then you can get to other side of optics.
Title: Re: IGT S Plus Coral Reef not taking coins
Post by: sgolembiewski0903 on September 30, 2018, 05:58:31 PM
Yes, the 21 on the display stays solid the whole time.
Title: Re: IGT S Plus Coral Reef not taking coins
Post by: rokgpsman on September 30, 2018, 06:49:23 PM
Is that a 25cent coin optic spacer in his photo?

Title: Re: IGT S Plus Coral Reef not taking coins
Post by: sgolembiewski0903 on September 30, 2018, 07:02:12 PM
I double checked it,it does say $.25
Title: Re: IGT S Plus Coral Reef not taking coins
Post by: Amechanic on September 30, 2018, 07:13:25 PM
Easy way to tell if it’s a .25c coin guide is by the two raise ridges running down through the middle. The .50c and $1.00 don’t have those.
Title: Re: IGT S Plus Coral Reef not taking coins
Post by: sgolembiewski0903 on September 30, 2018, 08:11:39 PM
I tried Jim's Optic test : http://newlifegames.com/nlg/index.php?topic=14723.0 (http://newlifegames.com/nlg/index.php?topic=14723.0)


The popsicle test worked on 11_1 and 12_1, but NOT on 10_1 . I did the test twice to make sure the results were accurate.
Title: Re: IGT S Plus Coral Reef not taking coins
Post by: sixcardmark on September 30, 2018, 08:21:16 PM
Time for new optics or remove q2-q4
Title: Re: IGT S Plus Coral Reef not taking coins
Post by: sixcardmark on September 30, 2018, 08:40:29 PM
Pic with q2 removed:



Title: Re: IGT S Plus Coral Reef not taking coins
Post by: Amechanic on September 30, 2018, 09:33:51 PM
Reassembly and give it a try.
Title: Re: IGT S Plus Coral Reef not taking coins
Post by: sgolembiewski0903 on September 30, 2018, 09:59:36 PM
Pic with q2 removed:


I did take it apart and clean it before the test. Question Sixcard, why are there two options here? When you say Q2-Q4, it looks like just a little tiny chip with three soldered-on points, sound about right? Also, does that just turn off the sensors? Do I lose some sort of abilities if I do that?



Title: Re: IGT S Plus Coral Reef not taking coins
Post by: Amechanic on September 30, 2018, 11:50:31 PM
When you do this mod to the coin optic board it allows you the option of now using the coin comparitor or using a coin mech, the older mechanical type. The bad is that now the comparitor will allow extra coins to be inserted, but once you hit your machines limit, 2 coins, 3 coins etc., the extras will just go into the hopper and no credit will be added. The other thing about this mod is that your game now will accept both quarters and tokens because it can’t tell the difference.
Title: Re: IGT S Plus Coral Reef not taking coins
Post by: Jim on October 01, 2018, 08:22:17 AM
I have done this modification to several hundred S+ machines,  it still will stop additional coins from being accepted, as far as the normal machine functions, you can never tell that you did anything to the optics, EVERYTHING OPERATES AS IT SHOULD!! .  the inhibit feature that will not allow additional coins to be accepted is a function of the program and a wire that is connected to the CC-16, which will remove power from the CC-16 when the max amount of coins has been inserted. on a machine that has the belly door, remove the cc-16 and  bracket , now plug it back in and hold it in your hand, close the door , and watch what happens as you insert coins, you will see the CC-16 LED go out when you hit the max coins inserted.

Jim 
Title: Re: IGT S Plus Coral Reef not taking coins
Post by: sixcardmark on October 01, 2018, 08:57:05 AM
Thanks for clearing that up Jim!  I had one machine accepting extra coins then returning them to tray after the spin and thought it was one I had done the mod to, but it was the comparitor in that machine that was causing it. The rake arm was bent out so it could not reject coins.
Title: Re: IGT S Plus Coral Reef not taking coins
Post by: rokgpsman on October 01, 2018, 09:18:43 AM
.... why are there two options here? When you say Q2-Q4, it looks like just a little tiny chip with three soldered-on points, sound about right?

Over the years IGT made different versions of the coin optics board. They are similar but the transistor that gets removed by the mod is called Q2 on some boards and Q4 on other boards. It is always a 3 legged part. On some boards there is also a round optic part that is called Q4, you never remove it.
Title: Re: IGT S Plus Coral Reef not taking coins
Post by: sgolembiewski0903 on October 01, 2018, 02:55:52 PM
Wow, great info guys! I removed the Q2 chip and am still getting the code 21 error, and am still unable to clear it, how do I proceed from here?
Title: Re: IGT S Plus Coral Reef not taking coins
Post by: sgolembiewski0903 on October 01, 2018, 03:37:17 PM
I saw someone mention that they cleared this way, worth a try?:


I was able to clear my error by removing the motherboard several times and reseating it, along with coin hopper, DBV, coin comparator and cleaning all optics with a q-tip and compressed air.  My wheels quit spinning and the machine returned to normal and started dropping coins (finishing out it's previous payout)  Apparently the coin in error occurred during a pay out thereby killing the DBV and coin accept ability.  As usual, I don't know what the exact fix was but all is back to normal.
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Title: Re: IGT S Plus Coral Reef not taking coins
Post by: sixcardmark on October 01, 2018, 05:21:30 PM
The code 21 should disappear for a few seconds after you latch the door.  If it does not you may still be in open door mode.
Title: Re: IGT S Plus Coral Reef not taking coins
Post by: therockinelvis on October 01, 2018, 05:22:05 PM
It doesn't make sense that your displays stay lit when you close the door. They always go blank then come back on.  Simply lifting the latch should make the displays go blank except the coins played. Putting the latch back down should take a couple seconds to light the displays again. With the door open pushing the test button will light them again. You have pushed so many buttons and turned the key. Try pushing the tiny white button next to the on/off switch several times until you reach the end of the pages when the displays should go out then came back on. Is it possible your door optics are not seeing the door as closed and thus since there was a coin past the optics set off the 21 error. I am leaning heavy on door optics since it will not clear and the display doesn't go blank. The 61 after the battery change has me stumped although you didn't get 61-1, you got 63-2 or something. Should have been 61 then 61-1 then close the door turn key. It didn't sound like you got that. 
Title: Re: IGT S Plus Coral Reef not taking coins
Post by: sgolembiewski0903 on October 01, 2018, 05:58:18 PM
Elvis, imI getting code 21 just to clarify. It's not going blank when I open and close, is there a test for door optics?
Title: Re: IGT S Plus Coral Reef not taking coins
Post by: sgolembiewski0903 on October 01, 2018, 06:00:26 PM
The code 21 should disappear for a few seconds after you latch the door.  If it does not you may still be in open door mode.


So probably like Elvis said, dolr optics may be the issue?

Title: Re: IGT S Plus Coral Reef not taking coins
Post by: therockinelvis on October 01, 2018, 06:05:45 PM
An easy way to check. place a piece of painters tape on the cabinet where the optic is. Then put one on the door where the optic is. then draw a line where the optics are. Then close the door and push the latch down. Do the marks line up? If not align them. S+ door sag quite often. Next check the tiny wires that go into the eye's. They break easily. They are both different sender and receiver. You can take a picture with your phone to see if the emitter is flashing.
Title: Re: IGT S Plus Coral Reef not taking coins
Post by: Jim on October 01, 2018, 06:33:47 PM
get into the input test menu, go to test 13,  now close the door and latch down,  the number 1 should be toggling back and forth from a 1 to a 0, if not then something in the optic circuit is not working.

Jim
Title: Re: IGT S Plus Coral Reef not taking coins
Post by: sgolembiewski0903 on October 01, 2018, 06:49:06 PM
get into the input test menu, go to test 13,  now close the door and latch down,  the number 1 should be toggling back and forth from a 1 to a 0, if not then something in the optic circuit is not working.

Jim


And the mystery continues... As I lift the latch up and down it does toggle from 13_0 to 13_1.


The optics don't look PERFECTly lined up but they are close.
Title: Re: IGT S Plus Coral Reef not taking coins
Post by: sgolembiewski0903 on October 01, 2018, 07:02:25 PM
If I cycle through all of the test options, the screen will go blank for 1-2 seconds before it displays the "21" again
Title: Re: IGT S Plus Coral Reef not taking coins
Post by: sgolembiewski0903 on October 01, 2018, 07:07:23 PM
Thought it might be helpful as a reminder that the problem initially started after...:

After battery install[/color]
 Progress! So the code went away, the machine did its initial spin, and the "insert coin" light went on. Coins are still falling right through, and the red light on top of the machine is flashing. I think the machine is free of code 61 though?
[/size]RockinElvis, I don't see a list under my coin comparitor?
 
 
 The machine worked fine using test credits, but the code 21 occurred after I began looking into the issue of the coins falling straight th[/color]rough
Title: Re: IGT S Plus Coral Reef not taking coins
Post by: sixcardmark on October 01, 2018, 07:17:17 PM
Make sure everything on that orange harness going to coin optics is plugged in good.  Try moving all those wires around a bit, like you maybe did in the beginning.  I have one machine that I get a 21 on all the time, all I do is jiggle on those orange wires and close the door and it goes away.
Title: Re: IGT S Plus Coral Reef not taking coins
Post by: sgolembiewski0903 on October 01, 2018, 07:41:14 PM
Fiddled with all of the wires, unplugged the hopper and mpu and plugged it back in.


Turned the machine on, heard a ding, and now its alternating bewteen Win meter: 3100 and Win Meter 3100/Coins PLayed 1
Title: Re: IGT S Plus Coral Reef not taking coins
Post by: sixcardmark on October 01, 2018, 07:56:07 PM
open and shut door a few times

it should be ready to play now
Title: Re: IGT S Plus Coral Reef not taking coins
Post by: sgolembiewski0903 on October 01, 2018, 08:03:03 PM
open and shut door a few times


No dice  :Scratch-Head: :fryingpan:
Title: Re: IGT S Plus Coral Reef not taking coins
Post by: sixcardmark on October 01, 2018, 08:06:59 PM
did the 3100 clear?
Title: Re: IGT S Plus Coral Reef not taking coins
Post by: sgolembiewski0903 on October 01, 2018, 08:16:27 PM
Nope
Title: Re: IGT S Plus Coral Reef not taking coins
Post by: sgolembiewski0903 on October 01, 2018, 08:18:28 PM
It appears I made a slight mistake, what is altering between winmeter 3100 and winmeter: 6/coins played: 1
Title: Re: IGT S Plus Coral Reef not taking coins
Post by: sixcardmark on October 01, 2018, 08:21:42 PM
3100 was prob from when you replugged in the hopper, is that when it dinged?  Just means hopper overpaid a coin.  Try test 13 again, sounds like the door not closing again.
Title: Re: IGT S Plus Coral Reef not taking coins
Post by: sgolembiewski0903 on October 01, 2018, 08:26:26 PM
3100 was prob from when you replugged in the hopper, is that when it dinged?  Just means hopper overpaid a coin.  Try test 13 again, sounds like the door not closing again.


I had unplugged the hopper with the machine off. When I turned the machine back on I heard the ding. Test 13 still seems to be good. It switches from 13_0 to 13_1 when I open and close the door.
Title: Re: IGT S Plus Coral Reef not taking coins
Post by: sixcardmark on October 01, 2018, 08:53:36 PM
3100 should clear when you open and close the door and the door optics are working.  Very strange, may have to use clear chip?
Title: Re: IGT S Plus Coral Reef not taking coins
Post by: sgolembiewski0903 on October 01, 2018, 09:06:22 PM
Well, I do have the chip now. Everyone says to use it as a last resort, do you think I should try it? Also, I don't know how to use it but imI sure you or someone on here moght!
Title: Re: IGT S Plus Coral Reef not taking coins
Post by: knagl on October 01, 2018, 09:39:52 PM
Well, I do have the chip now. Everyone says to use it as a last resort, do you think I should try it? Also, I don't know how to use it but imI sure you or someone on here moght!


Nothing wrong with using the clear chip in your scenario.  Instructions on how to properly use it are found here: http://newlifegames.com/nlg/index.php?topic=16134.0 (http://newlifegames.com/nlg/index.php?topic=16134.0)

It seems to me like there's an issue with the machine seeing the door as closed, although you were successful in your door optics test.  Let's start with the clear chip and see where that brings us, and we can go forward from there.
Title: Re: IGT S Plus Coral Reef not taking coins
Post by: sgolembiewski0903 on October 01, 2018, 11:45:21 PM
I've done it, and from what I can tell it's gone full-circle.


After using the clear chip (and clearing a few error codes starting with 61) I was back to the point of being able to use the button on the coin optic to give me test credits and the machine worked fine with that (like it did before). The Insert Coin light was on but all coins fell straight through to the tray (just like before).


I tried unplugging the CC to see if it would skip on through to the optics and got a code 21 error. From that point, the 21 has been stuck, opening and shutting the door isn't working (like before). The only difference that I know of is now the coin optics do not have Q4 because I removed it.
Title: Re: IGT S Plus Coral Reef not taking coins
Post by: Jim on October 02, 2018, 07:01:52 AM
go back and test the coin in optics, now that Q-4 is removed all three should respond,  if not then you could have a bad connection on your optic board, they use the same type of connector that the power connector on the motherboard uses that causes all the problems. the metal contact becomes compressed and looses its connectivity, you can remove each one and physically look at it and see if it looks compressed.  also you can hold it up to a light source, look through the plug connector from the bottom side, as you look through it you will see the gap in the connector, this will tell you which one has to be reformed.

the one wire/connector you are most concerned with is the wire at pin 4, orange with a red tracer, this is the wire for the optic in question. 


Jim
Title: Re: IGT S Plus Coral Reef not taking coins
Post by: therockinelvis on October 02, 2018, 05:41:52 PM
I can't help it, I'm still stuck on the door not showing closed. When doing the test did  it show
good
as you were latching or the whole time after latching?
Title: Re: IGT S Plus Coral Reef not taking coins
Post by: sgolembiewski0903 on October 02, 2018, 11:35:46 PM
I can't help it, I'm still stuck on the door not showing closed. When doing the test did  it show
good
as you were latching or the whole time after latching?


Yes, it was toggling between 0 and 1
Title: Re: IGT S Plus Coral Reef not taking coins
Post by: sgolembiewski0903 on October 02, 2018, 11:39:19 PM
About to go do Jim from Midwest Slot's instructions. IN the meanwhile I was wondering if anyone knows a good way to pull the chips without a chip puller? I pulled mine out but it bent a few legs (I bent them back). Not sure if there is a good method, or if I should just go buy myself a chip puller!
Title: Re: IGT S Plus Coral Reef not taking coins
Post by: Jim on October 03, 2018, 06:26:44 AM
I use a screw driver, long thin type with a medium blade.  insert the screw driver between the socket and chip and gently work it underneath, the chip will usually pop right out with no damage to the chip or bend any legs.  Usually enables you to reinsert the chip easily because it was not deformed in the process.

for your clear and set chips, I use a wire round type socket for these chips, because I insert them quite a few times troubleshooting machines. the wire round socket has stiff rigid legs that will not bend during the insertion process.  I have all my clear and set chips mounted in these sockets.

Jim
Title: Re: IGT S Plus Coral Reef not taking coins
Post by: sgolembiewski0903 on October 03, 2018, 02:45:11 PM
Thx for the advice!


So here are some pics I took... everything looks pretty normal and not smushed or anything like that, I pulled out the orange/red tracer wire and it looks perfectly fine...? The ONLY thing I see (notice in the pic) that the red/black wire has a little nick in it, a tiny amount of exposed wire, looks like all the wires in the pic were compressed. The orange/red tracer wire looks a little smushed... but not bad


https://imgur.com/a/ltr4bcG
Title: Re: IGT S Plus Coral Reef not taking coins
Post by: Amechanic on October 03, 2018, 03:23:42 PM
The only way to know if the wires are good would be to check each one with a voltage meter. I would meter each wire out to be safe.
Title: Re: IGT S Plus Coral Reef not taking coins
Post by: sgolembiewski0903 on October 03, 2018, 03:43:16 PM
I know I sound dumb saying this, but I'm not veryproficient with a multimeter. How would I do this? Would I turn the machine on, and put the probe on the ends, and make sure that they give out a reading? Also, what is an acceptable reading so I know what I'm looking for?
Title: Re: IGT S Plus Coral Reef not taking coins
Post by: sgolembiewski0903 on October 03, 2018, 03:47:43 PM
So I THINK I may have done it correctyl.. I put the positive on he ends and just grounded it on the coin chute... On the 12-pin connector some of the wires gave me readings, some did not. The orange/red tracer wire gave me a reading of about 9volts.
Title: Re: IGT S Plus Coral Reef not taking coins
Post by: Amechanic on October 03, 2018, 04:26:13 PM
I myself would unplug that coin harness and remove it from the machine. You don’t want to do this with power on. You can use any of these settings, (see pic), to check for your wirings Continuity. Do it without power. Put your meter on one of these settings and watch your meter as you touch your lead together. You should see it change from a 1 to a 0.. That means you have no resistance. This is also how you check resistors, coils, etc. So if possible pull that small wiring harness and check it from end to end. Locate the orange/red at both ends and connect your leads to those connectors.
Title: Re: IGT S Plus Coral Reef not taking coins
Post by: sgolembiewski0903 on October 03, 2018, 04:46:22 PM
Just checked every all the wires on the harness, all passed and had continuity.
Title: Re: IGT S Plus Coral Reef not taking coins
Post by: sgolembiewski0903 on October 03, 2018, 05:02:15 PM
Also, anyone know where I can find a clear socket for the chips? They are both 14-pin, right? Or do they consider that 28?
Title: Re: IGT S Plus Coral Reef not taking coins
Post by: Amechanic on October 03, 2018, 05:05:53 PM
Total number of pins.
Title: Re: IGT S Plus Coral Reef not taking coins
Post by: therockinelvis on October 03, 2018, 05:09:39 PM
Can you post a video to your picture site. Would like to see only the reels and displays. Start video, turn machine on, close door and take it until after the reels spin. Did you say the 21 went away? And now only the 3100 shows? You can leave the hopper out for this. Early on you said the hopper was not working. Did you find what was binding it? There is a hopper test also. I think #4 then turn the key and it should pay 10 coins
Title: Re: IGT S Plus Coral Reef not taking coins
Post by: sgolembiewski0903 on October 03, 2018, 05:43:40 PM
You might not need the video, what it's doing when I turn on the machine is simply lighting up, the bill validator goes through it's noises, and then the display goes to code 21. No reel spin.


After I used the clear chip it would do the reel spin, work fine with test credits (the hopper worked fine also) but it would not take money, although the "insert coins" light was on. As soon as I messed with the CC/Optics it went back to code 21.
Title: Re: IGT S Plus Coral Reef not taking coins
Post by: sgolembiewski0903 on October 03, 2018, 05:46:42 PM
Not sure if this link works, not exactly sur ehow to upload videos.. https://photos.app.goo.gl/ZJpRMbnxbjMwgzsDA
Title: Re: IGT S Plus Coral Reef not taking coins
Post by: sixcardmark on October 03, 2018, 05:52:03 PM
Yes it works.  You have a power issue, the 21 should be solid lit.
Title: Re: IGT S Plus Coral Reef not taking coins
Post by: sgolembiewski0903 on October 03, 2018, 05:54:14 PM
It is solid lit, I forget who it was that mentioned this, but it has something to do with the way the display lights work that give it the illusion of going on and off in the video.
Title: Re: IGT S Plus Coral Reef not taking coins
Post by: therockinelvis on October 03, 2018, 05:57:42 PM
Yes lcd flashes in video. With the door open, does the 21 stay lit? Or are they blank until you go into tests?
Title: Re: IGT S Plus Coral Reef not taking coins
Post by: sgolembiewski0903 on October 03, 2018, 05:59:29 PM
The 21 stays lit w without the door open.


Edit: with and without
Title: Re: IGT S Plus Coral Reef not taking coins
Post by: sixcardmark on October 03, 2018, 06:08:10 PM
EDIT: I just noticed that too, the 21 should not appear until after the BV cycles with door open.
Title: Re: IGT S Plus Coral Reef not taking coins
Post by: therockinelvis on October 03, 2018, 06:11:56 PM
Clear it again
Title: Re: IGT S Plus Coral Reef not taking coins
Post by: sgolembiewski0903 on October 03, 2018, 06:13:46 PM
The 21 comes on after the BV is done cycling, there may be like a .5 second overlap where both are on at the same time
Title: Re: IGT S Plus Coral Reef not taking coins
Post by: sgolembiewski0903 on October 03, 2018, 06:16:03 PM
Clear it again


Clear the slot machine again with the clear chip?
Title: Re: IGT S Plus Coral Reef not taking coins
Post by: sixcardmark on October 03, 2018, 06:21:26 PM
It looks to me like you are NOT getting the door closed and latched, it's still open.   Make sure the latch is ALL the way down.

Right now my machine is giving the 21 and does same thing yours does in vid with the door open.  When you latch the door the 21 will dissapear for a few seconds.
Title: Re: IGT S Plus Coral Reef not taking coins
Post by: sgolembiewski0903 on October 03, 2018, 06:34:59 PM
Earlier when I tested the door optics it wotkwo fine. Is yhere a special way to close and latch these doors? I feel like iveI tried everything!
Title: Re: IGT S Plus Coral Reef not taking coins
Post by: sgolembiewski0903 on October 03, 2018, 06:39:30 PM
I do not have the coin tray installed, does that matter?
Title: Re: IGT S Plus Coral Reef not taking coins
Post by: sixcardmark on October 03, 2018, 06:48:17 PM
I do not have the coin tray installed, does that matter?
no
Title: Re: IGT S Plus Coral Reef not taking coins
Post by: sixcardmark on October 03, 2018, 06:50:20 PM
Try that door optics test #13 again.
Title: Re: IGT S Plus Coral Reef not taking coins
Post by: sgolembiewski0903 on October 03, 2018, 07:38:15 PM
It togglea between 1 and 0.

Title: Re: IGT S Plus Coral Reef not taking coins
Post by: sixcardmark on October 03, 2018, 07:54:15 PM
It togglea between 1 and 0.
A previous post you said it toggled between 0 and 1 when door was being open and closed.  It should only toggle while the door is closed.
Title: Re: IGT S Plus Coral Reef not taking coins
Post by: sgolembiewski0903 on October 03, 2018, 08:18:54 PM
So, with the door closed, I lift the door latch up and down, as I lift it up and down it goes from zero to one.
Title: Re: IGT S Plus Coral Reef not taking coins
Post by: Amechanic on October 03, 2018, 08:21:12 PM
What state are you in. Maybe someone from NLG Lives close by?
Title: Re: IGT S Plus Coral Reef not taking coins
Post by: sixcardmark on October 03, 2018, 08:33:36 PM
So, with the door closed, I lift the door latch up and down, as I lift it up and down it goes from zero to one.

That is not correct, try this from flash cards:

"This optic’s readout toggles between a low (0) and a high (1) state when the main door is closed."

Push latch down and leave it down during test.
Title: Re: IGT S Plus Coral Reef not taking coins
Post by: sgolembiewski0903 on October 03, 2018, 09:20:49 PM
Hmm. First video is what I was doing: https://photos.app.goo.gl/LdGNRAABD9MgGKsV6


Second video is what I think you suggested: https://photos.app.goo.gl/LPpLukuQwDBwe8xt8


Also, I live in Casa Grande, AZ, about an hour north of Tucson and as little as 30 minutes away from metro Phoenix depending on where you are (that's a BIG "depending", if you live in central/east/north Phoenix it could be as long as 1.5 hours)


Before calling someone in, I'm wondering if 1) I'm messing something up (like I may have with the optics test), or 2) Perhaps going over the basics one more time for this issue might help, it's been a long thread and people (including myself!) might be getting confused... AFTER ALL, this machine was working before it "suddenly stopped working" - Granted I'm not sure if it stopped working before being moved into storage for a (1-2 years) or after they plugged it in when they came to move it form their rstorage.
Title: Re: IGT S Plus Coral Reef not taking coins
Post by: sgolembiewski0903 on October 03, 2018, 09:23:46 PM
I am very much so hoping that the door optic test is failing, and based on what I read earlier, I think that might be the case!

My lines MAY be imperfect, but I think they're close... this is how it lines up: https://photos.app.goo.gl/kV7RQWeC4Hk69AXj8


Perhaps this is as simple as door optics????


If so, someone mentioned adjusting them, but if I remember correctly form when I looked they don't look very adjustable? They kind of look like you would have to bend something to "adjust" them? Any clues?
Title: Re: IGT S Plus Coral Reef not taking coins
Post by: sixcardmark on October 03, 2018, 09:24:31 PM
BINGO door test is FAILING

Bad door optics, bad connection somewhere, or door optics not lined up.
Title: Re: IGT S Plus Coral Reef not taking coins
Post by: sgolembiewski0903 on October 03, 2018, 09:28:37 PM
BINGO door test is FAILING


BAM!!!! I knew there had to be SOMETHING going on that was overlooked (my error of course!!)


I might have even removed Q4 unnecessarily.


So how do I address door opticsst the power first? ALign the sensors (as seen in the pic before this post)? Someting else>
Title: Re: IGT S Plus Coral Reef not taking coins
Post by: sgolembiewski0903 on October 03, 2018, 09:30:10 PM
BINGO door test is FAILING

Bad door optics, bad connection somewhere, or door optics not lined up.


After seeing that pic, do you think it mgiht be a simple alignment issue? After all, the machine has been moved a couple of times, who know how "nicely" it was treated during moving! How would I align the sensors?
Title: Re: IGT S Plus Coral Reef not taking coins
Post by: sixcardmark on October 03, 2018, 09:32:25 PM
which pic was it?  I have never had to adjust door optics.
Title: Re: IGT S Plus Coral Reef not taking coins
Post by: sgolembiewski0903 on October 03, 2018, 09:36:57 PM
This is how they line up:

https://photos.google.com/share/AF1QipO5B3a4TdhBAGWX9hsBVSuSwnCgqwz69lSDOqnKVqBZiPs3CuABNrocB8CvipGnxQ?key=cklFUjRzbGZnRk1jZ1ZJSTVUN2lwVlI4VFdNZTlR


Here are the pics of the coin optic sensors, they both have clips.. not sure I would test them to make sure they're good?


https://photos.app.goo.gl/hheXtj4597CCb9jB7
Title: Re: IGT S Plus Coral Reef not taking coins
Post by: sixcardmark on October 03, 2018, 10:01:38 PM
Can't really tell from the pics.  I think someone said you can use a camera to test the emitter.
Title: Re: IGT S Plus Coral Reef not taking coins
Post by: sgolembiewski0903 on October 03, 2018, 10:13:57 PM
Can't really tell from the pics.  I think someone said you can use a camera to test the emitter.


I'll start a new thread, what is the camera test?
Title: Coral Reef failing 13_0 test for door optics
Post by: sgolembiewski0903 on October 03, 2018, 10:15:45 PM
I am unable to clear my code 21, when testing test 13 with the door closed, it does not switch back and forth from zero to 1. How can I go through this to troubleshoot what the problem is? If it's just alignment... how do I 1(identify what to align and 2) perfrom the alignment!


Fingers crossed fixing this issue gets the machine running!
Title: Re: Coral Reef failing 13_0 test for door optics
Post by: sixcardmark on October 03, 2018, 10:25:28 PM
Here is something you can check, Jim from Midwest had me check this for a 21 and he nailed it! 

Check the connection on J10 of the motherboard. (with mpu tray still in place, it is the long black connector farthest to the right in the back) You will have to remove hopper. There is a green wire on the left end of that connector that goes thru the door optics.  Make sure it is plugged in tight.
Title: Re: Coral Reef failing 13_0 test for door optics
Post by: sixcardmark on October 03, 2018, 10:28:05 PM
Finally making progress now!
Title: Re: IGT S Plus Coral Reef not taking coins
Post by: therockinelvis on October 04, 2018, 01:54:30 AM
The door optics have 2 screws on the bracket for adjustment. Cabinet side up and down. Door side in and out. Way back I said the take a picture of optics with your phone. The light is faster than your eye, but camera will get it.
Title: Re: Coral Reef failing 13_0 test for door optics
Post by: Jim on October 04, 2018, 07:13:28 AM
I even hate to go here, but it has to checked out before we suggest all the items that could cause the door optics from working!!  Since this machine worked once before and moving it around is the only variable,   perhaps the cash can door switch is still attached and has not been by passed??  this certainly would cause the door optics not to work. 

check out the cash can switch, make sure it is by passed.

Jim
Title: Re: Coral Reef failing 13_0 test for door optics
Post by: therockinelvis on October 04, 2018, 05:44:30 PM

Good thought Jim. I have been positive of door not being closed from the beginning. Cash can totally slipped my mind. Also belly door switch.


This will show door optic test


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MpZjM2dVPGs (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MpZjM2dVPGs)
Title: Re: Coral Reef failing 13_0 test for door optics
Post by: sgolembiewski0903 on October 04, 2018, 10:04:21 PM
Thanks guys! Spent the day at the storage unit auctions, just getting around to this slot machine... I read your guys' comments and have a few questions:


1) The cash can... what is that? Also, by bypassing it am I bypassing the BV? I want to make sure the BV works once we finally gett the machine working!


2) RockinElvis mentioned something about a belly door switch, not sure what that is either? I actually looked and I couldn't see any switch or sensor for the belly door!


Fixed tiny font issue.  -knagl
Title: Re: Coral Reef failing 13_0 test for door optics
Post by: sixcardmark on October 04, 2018, 10:21:35 PM
Bypassing cash can switch will not disable anything except an open door error.
Don't think any s+'s have a belly door switch.
Here's a pic of the cash can door switch, this one has been bypassed.

Title: Re: Coral Reef failing 13_0 test for door optics
Post by: knagl on October 04, 2018, 10:32:02 PM
Don't think any s+'s have a belly door switch.

Some of the later run of S+ machines did, plus slant top S+ machines do, too.  Not many uprights do, but it is possible.

I'm merging this topic back into the earlier thread of the machine not accepting coins -- this is all related, and creating a new topic is only going to cause people to rehash things that have already been tried.
Title: Re: Coral Reef failing 13_0 test for door optics
Post by: sixcardmark on October 05, 2018, 02:06:12 PM
Some of the later run of S+ machines did, plus slant top S+ machines do, too.  Not many uprights do, but it is possible.
OK, good to know.  I have around 10 s+ machines here and none have/had any belly door wires or even a place to mount a switch.
Title: Re: IGT S Plus Coral Reef not taking coins
Post by: sgolembiewski0903 on October 05, 2018, 02:18:04 PM
I'm assuming the cash can switch is bypassed because I don't even have one! I took a photo of the optics, not sure if I did it right?

Also, the back rigth long black connector on the motherboard is giving me some trouble, the green wire seems like it's in there nice and tight, but I'm unable to pull the whole connector off right now, it doesn't seem to want to come up. It's also hard to see what I'm working with, but it looks like it's just a little tab that needs to be pushed in and then you should be able to pull it right up?


https://imgur.com/a/FPnKa0I
Title: Re: IGT S Plus Coral Reef not taking coins
Post by: therockinelvis on October 05, 2018, 02:31:09 PM
If you have a bv and don't have a cash can in it, then that's the problem. We need to know what bv you have. Dvb200, wba, if not sure post picture.
Title: Re: IGT S Plus Coral Reef not taking coins
Post by: sixcardmark on October 05, 2018, 02:35:23 PM
Pull the cash box out and look for wires in that cage somewhere. 

If that black connector on motherboard is snug, it's probably OK.(leave it for later)

Title: Re: IGT S Plus Coral Reef not taking coins
Post by: therockinelvis on October 05, 2018, 02:52:36 PM
Sorry I misread. Didn't see attached pictures
Title: Re: IGT S Plus Coral Reef not taking coins
Post by: sgolembiewski0903 on October 05, 2018, 11:54:21 PM
Very interesting... Strange that a cash can would require optics instead of something else!

https://imgur.com/a/ap3W8Ee

The wires look plugged in. I ran my finger through the optic line and every time I do that the bill validator turns it's gears a few seconds after.

I'm hoping this is good news, but I have no idea what this means and also:

1) If the machine worked before like this, but it isn't working now, why would bypassing these sensors be a fix?
2) If what I need to do is unplug those wires, how in God's name do I do it?! They are tiny it and due to their location it seems like I would need to remove some stuff to get there, but I don't see a easy way to do that?
Title: Re: IGT S Plus Coral Reef not taking coins
Post by: therockinelvis on October 06, 2018, 04:50:53 AM
Those are for the cash can. The wires you are looking for are green. Reach behind the validator and see if they are tied up. Very important they are connected to each other and not grounding to the frame. Most of us cut them at the front of the machine. I have seen a few where they were stuffed between the frame and BV
Title: Re: IGT S Plus Coral Reef not taking coins
Post by: sgolembiewski0903 on October 06, 2018, 02:09:22 PM
Not exactly sure where behind the bill validator I should look for the wires, here are some pics I was able to take.

https://imgur.com/a/aKOf9WK
Title: Re: IGT S Plus Coral Reef not taking coins
Post by: sixcardmark on October 06, 2018, 02:22:07 PM
1st pic are the cash can door wires tied together bypassing the door switch.
Title: Re: IGT S Plus Coral Reef not taking coins
Post by: sgolembiewski0903 on October 06, 2018, 02:27:37 PM
Hmm, so that answers that question... so are we back to door optics again?
Title: Re: IGT S Plus Coral Reef not taking coins
Post by: sixcardmark on October 06, 2018, 03:14:30 PM
I guess we need to check for that rare belly door switch.  Open belly door and look around for a switch, or two wires tied together.

Did you try the camera test that Elvis suggested?  Looks like maybe the door is a tad lower than the cabinet optics?
Title: Re: IGT S Plus Coral Reef not taking coins
Post by: Amechanic on October 06, 2018, 03:31:42 PM
I just saw this on YouTube on testing the S+ optics. Have you run this test.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=u8VA6pE_P8M
Title: Re: IGT S Plus Coral Reef not taking coins
Post by: sixcardmark on October 06, 2018, 03:37:57 PM
I just saw this on YouTube on testing the S+ optics. Have you run this test.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=u8VA6pE_P8M

Yes he got solid 1, Failed: https://photos.app.goo.gl/LPpLukuQwDBwe8xt8
Title: Re: IGT S Plus Coral Reef not taking coins
Post by: sgolembiewski0903 on October 06, 2018, 04:12:35 PM
I guess we need to check for that rare belly door switch.  Open belly door and look around for a switch, or two wires tied together.

Did you try the camera test that Elvis suggested?  Looks like maybe the door is a tad lower than the cabinet optics?


No belly door switch unless it's hidden! I did take pictures but it was kind of hard to get a good camera angle, not exactly sure what kind of pictures need to get taken for that test (I'm guessing as straight-on as possible). The pics are posted a few posts above this one.


My gut feeling is that since the door optics test failed, the door optics must be not working or they're out of calibration or something like that...


Is there a checklist or troubleshooting guide on how to address a 13_0 test fail? I also find it very difficult to see if the optics are lining up, the paper/draw-a-line test doesn't seem exact (does anyone know how perfectly calibrated the optics have to be?)
Title: Re: IGT S Plus Coral Reef not taking coins
Post by: sixcardmark on October 06, 2018, 04:29:49 PM
That's pretty much what we are doing.

Here's set of optics: https://ebay.us/g0dDg1  I would try raising the door side or lowering the cab side optics about 1/16" - 1/8" and see if that works, if not optics set are cheap.


You could try turning on the machine, close door, then from bottom of door try to raise up on it, it should have a little play in it if it has dropped a little. See if that clears it.
Title: Re: IGT S Plus Coral Reef not taking coins
Post by: Amechanic on October 06, 2018, 04:50:13 PM
I just use blue painters tape on the door and cabinet. Make sure your door latch is all the way down when you put your mark. I have a ruler I use to get them marked. Now I did have one cabinet where the optics were very sensitive. I knew they were lined up, but I noticed my door and cabinet gap was a little wide. I put a small flat washer behind the cabinet optic to shim it forward, and that solved that problem. I also learned that the red/white wire optic was cabinet mount only and the same for the red/Black is only for the door. Drove myself crazy chasing a similar problem just for those reasons. Too bad you don’t have a second machine to test those optics on.
Title: Re: IGT S Plus Coral Reef not taking coins
Post by: therockinelvis on October 06, 2018, 07:16:29 PM
Sometimes you have to remove the reel glass to see the optics then adjust as needed
Title: Re: IGT S Plus Coral Reef not taking coins
Post by: sgolembiewski0903 on October 06, 2018, 10:38:30 PM
Jist a thought here, but something in the optics must be working since when I loft up and down on the latch, at a certain point every time, the 13-0 changes to a 13-1, right? I simply tried unscrewing the cabinet optic and holding it up to the door optic to see if I could get it to do the 0-1 toggling and could not get it to.
Title: Re: IGT S Plus Coral Reef not taking coins
Post by: therockinelvis on October 07, 2018, 05:06:36 AM
Well since at that certain point it works. Adjust the optic to match where the latch is at that place. There are 3 or 4 Philips screws under the displays, Remove them, remove the display, remove reel glass, then you can see the optics and how they need to be adjusted. You may even have a bad wire on the door side that is moving when the latch is sliding.
Title: Re: IGT S Plus Coral Reef not taking coins
Post by: Amechanic on October 07, 2018, 11:01:43 AM
I don’t remember any more, but we’re the optics swapped out, or was that another thread? It possible ones gone bad?
Title: Re: IGT S Plus Coral Reef not taking coins
Post by: sgolembiewski0903 on October 07, 2018, 11:22:28 AM
I don’t remember any more, but we’re the optics swapped out, or was that another thread? It possible ones gone bad?


They were not swapped out, must be a different thread. Something in the door optics must work (see my post a few posts above), but maybe overall they are bad? Going to try what Elvis said to do... However I did mess with them a little bit before and could not get any different results.


Hate to ask, but I'm getting really eager to play this, does anybody on this forum live near Phoenix that would want to come down to Casa Grande  and do some work on this machine for me?! I'll just watch you and hopefully learn that way!
Title: Re: IGT S Plus Coral Reef not taking coins
Post by: sixcardmark on October 07, 2018, 11:30:45 AM
The door optics do not work or are out of align.  During test 13 with handle down result is solid 1, that means the optics are not seeing each other.
Title: Re: IGT S Plus Coral Reef not taking coins
Post by: sgolembiewski0903 on October 07, 2018, 11:34:50 AM
The door optics do not work or are out of align.  During test 13 with handle down result is solid 1, that means the optics are not seeing each other.


So then I must
1) Align them
OR
2) Buy new if they don't work


Out of curiosity, should I try to make sure that there is power being fed to both sides of the optics? Obviously one side is getting power fed to it but maybe not both sides?
Title: Re: IGT S Plus Coral Reef not taking coins
Post by: Amechanic on October 07, 2018, 11:47:32 AM
These wires are very fragile and can break inside the plastic cover. I’ve seen them break off flush to were they attach too. I would look at the doors wiring for that optic. It goes up and dow every time the doors closed and the run right around the entry to the bill acceptor and can get pinched.
Title: Re: IGT S Plus Coral Reef not taking coins
Post by: sixcardmark on October 07, 2018, 11:59:05 AM
During test 13 when the handle is slid down it does change from a 0 to a solid 1.  It must change to flashing back and forth from 0 to 1 to pass test.  So the question is - what is causing it to just change to a solid 1???
Title: Re: IGT S Plus Coral Reef not taking coins
Post by: sgolembiewski0903 on October 07, 2018, 12:04:28 PM
Exactly my thoughts!
Title: Re: IGT S Plus Coral Reef not taking coins
Post by: sgolembiewski0903 on October 07, 2018, 12:12:51 PM
If I hold the latch up at JUST THE RIGHT spot it will go do the 0-1 toggle. But when I say "just the right" I mean it is such a fine/small spot, that I don't see how I could possibly align that. And if I did, even the SLIGHTEST movement in the machine would cause it to go out of the alignment - I mean even if someone hit the button too hard it would probably cause it to go out of alignment.
Title: Re: IGT S Plus Coral Reef not taking coins
Post by: sixcardmark on October 07, 2018, 12:25:14 PM
That pic with the align tape looks like there is a gap between the door and the cabinet?
Title: Re: IGT S Plus Coral Reef not taking coins
Post by: sgolembiewski0903 on October 07, 2018, 12:28:16 PM
Gees it's like fine-tuning a manned rocket ship to get these optics to work! Question: Do the optics have to be in a certain position in their bracket to work? Here is a picture of the door optic, does that little gold tab on the outside of the optic socket need to be in a certain position on the bracket? Does the two little circles within the optic need to be in a certain position?


https://imgur.com/a/1ONTNcC
Title: Re: IGT S Plus Coral Reef not taking coins
Post by: sgolembiewski0903 on October 07, 2018, 12:42:25 PM
That pic with the align tape looks like there is a gap between the door and the cabinet?


No, there is no gap there, again I don't know how big is acceptable but it's pretty tight, wouldn't know how to make it any tighter
Title: Re: IGT S Plus Coral Reef not taking coins
Post by: Amechanic on October 07, 2018, 12:48:30 PM
It could mean that your optics are weak. I use to have to adj electric triggering on bowling pinsetters. Those ball detects work off the same principal. When the optic would start fail the adjustment beams got smaller.
Title: Re: IGT S Plus Coral Reef not taking coins
Post by: sgolembiewski0903 on October 07, 2018, 12:59:49 PM
It could mean that your optics are weak. I use to have to adj electric triggering on bowling pinsetters. Those ball detects work off the same principal. When the optic would start fail the adjustment beams got smaller.


Interesting. I actually managed a bowling alley for a while, we had 82-70's! I knew nothing about them except for all the basic stuff, and a FEW advanced-basic items haha.


I'm just going to order new optics, see what happens. Starting to get frustrated with this thing  :banghead: :bomb:
Title: Re: IGT S Plus Coral Reef not taking coins
Post by: therockinelvis on October 07, 2018, 01:03:24 PM
The optics do not touch. They must align. That's why you get signal in the sweet spot. Cabinet side up and down only. Door side in and out only. Told you that long ago.
Title: Re: IGT S Plus Coral Reef not taking coins
Post by: Amechanic on October 07, 2018, 01:37:29 PM
The optics do not touch. They must align. That's why you get signal in the sweet spot. Cabinet side up and down only. Door side in and out only. Told you that long ago.
Do you have 2 thin small washers to try under the cabinet optic to try and shim it out just a little?
Title: Re: IGT S Plus Coral Reef not taking coins
Post by: sixcardmark on October 07, 2018, 01:40:59 PM
It could mean that your optics are weak. I use to have to adj electric triggering on bowling pinsetters. Those ball detects work off the same principal. When the optic would start fail the adjustment beams got smaller.


Interesting. I actually managed a bowling alley for a while, we had 82-70's! I knew nothing about them except for all the basic stuff, and a FEW advanced-basic items haha.


I'm just going to order new optics, see what happens. Starting to get frustrated with this thing  :banghead: :bomb:

Damn, my first full time job when I was 16 was a pinjumper.  Boss wanted to send me that Brunswick school to get certified, but I passed. I knew a little about the Brunswick and AMF pinsetters both, but man that was a long time ago.  I made a lot of money bowling instead.  :rotfl:
Title: Re: IGT S Plus Coral Reef not taking coins
Post by: sgolembiewski0903 on October 07, 2018, 01:52:38 PM
Pot games and such? These days its hard to make money in tournaments... but that could be because in AZ tournaments are much more scarce than they are in other parts of the country where they have a bowling alley every 2 miles! There might not be more than 50 bowling alleys in all of AZ, whereas Detroit metro probably has over a 100!
Title: Re: IGT S Plus Coral Reef not taking coins
Post by: sgolembiewski0903 on October 07, 2018, 01:57:30 PM
The optics do not touch. They must align. That's why you get signal in the sweet spot. Cabinet side up and down only. Door side in and out only. Told you that long ago.
Do you have 2 thin small washers to try under the cabinet optic to try and shim it out just a little?


I'm sure I do somewhere. I just ordered new optics, I've tried just about every which way of adjusting the optics (or so it seems)... I'll mess with it some more when the new optics arrive - hopefully Amechanic's comment about the optics getting weak is what the problem is here - struggling to come up with how else I can try aligning these things...


Also, Elvis and your comments kind of contradict each other, Elvis says cabinet optics only go up and down, sticking a shim in it would be "out and in"!
Title: Re: IGT S Plus Coral Reef not taking coins
Post by: Amechanic on October 07, 2018, 02:10:48 PM
Also, Elvis and your comments kind of contradict each other, Elvis says cabinet optics only go up and down, sticking a shim in it would be "out and in"!

I never noticed that the door optics moved in and out? I’m going to have to look at my S+ Haywire. I’m not saying that using shim washers are correct. It’s just what worked for me. They were maybe .030 thick.
Title: Re: IGT S Plus Coral Reef not taking coins
Post by: therockinelvis on October 07, 2018, 05:01:37 PM
Look at the screws. The cabinet side has slots for up and down movement. The door has very limited movement. I still remember my first experience with out of aligned optics. I was just as discouraged as you. Did you check the wires on the door side? Lift the latch up and down to see if they are rubbing something. So often they get pinched by the BV when the door is closed. When you get it you will say OMG and never forget. Were you able to take video of the cabinet optic with machine on? The optic flashes so quickly the eye can't see it. Since you have ordered replacement optics be sure to match the wire colors. They are 2 different optics. Receiver(door) and transmitter(cabinet). Only cabinet pulses. Removing the reel glass might seem like more work, but with it out of the way you can see the optics perfectly.
Title: Re: IGT S Plus Coral Reef not taking coins
Post by: sgolembiewski0903 on October 07, 2018, 05:29:43 PM
IllI have to make a  little video showing what's going on and post it here. To remove the third nut on the display (to remove windoe glass) it's kind of up there and tucked away, is there a trick to doing it? I tried removing the large metal panel in front of it but it wasn't coming out vwry easily and I didntd want to mess anything up!
Title: Re: IGT S Plus Coral Reef not taking coins
Post by: sixcardmark on October 07, 2018, 05:44:43 PM
Best way to remove reel glass is to remove the fluor tube from top of door. This will expose three 7/32 nuts.  Use a nut driver is easiest.  Now you can remove the fluor tube socket/reflector assy.  You should now have enough room to remove the reel glass, pull up on it. Reinstall the fluor tube assy.
Title: Re: IGT S Plus Coral Reef not taking coins
Post by: Amechanic on October 07, 2018, 06:22:02 PM
IllI have to make a  little video showing what's going on and post it here. To remove the third nut on the display (to remove windoe glass) it's kind of up there and tucked away, is there a trick to doing it? I tried removing the large metal panel in front of it but it wasn't coming out vwry easily and I didntd want to mess anything up!
To remove the door display nuts, you really need to take the inside door panel loose unless you can get at the nut with a socket and a universal swivel. With the door panel off a nut driver works great. You don’t need to remove the door display, just loosen it up to take pressure off the reel glass. Then you have the 3 nuts holding the reel glass fluorescent bulb.
Title: Re: IGT S Plus Coral Reef not taking coins
Post by: therockinelvis on October 08, 2018, 05:41:59 PM
Nothing else has to be removed. Three 5/16 nuts under display as pictures. Display will lift up. Sometimes it is a little stuck from drink goo and smoke. Jut rock it a bit. Glass will slip out of light channel. Don't be scared and don't you give up after 7 pages here and 5 more on the other. These things are tanks, your not going to hurt it.
Title: Re: IGT S Plus Coral Reef not taking coins
Post by: sgolembiewski0903 on October 09, 2018, 11:30:21 PM
Tomorrow or the next day I'm going to work on it some more! Hopefully  I have the new optics by then just to be sure... granted I'm not sure my current optics aren;t working but hey - it helps to have a guaranteed working pair  :dancing_2: .


Have been MIA for the last few days due to work, will probably be MIA tomorrow but I'm hoping to at least get to removing the reel glass... If going in through the bottom it seems very difficult due to space issues (I can't fit a screwdriver/my-hand in to remove the nut)... I haven't had time to fully digest your great comments yet, maybe it's easier than I first thought! SIxcard mentioned going i from the top, seems like it might be easier than going in from the bottom?
Title: Re: IGT S Plus Coral Reef not taking coins
Post by: therockinelvis on October 10, 2018, 01:53:01 AM
1/4" ratchet with socket. 2 of the nuts you have to feel for.
Title: Re: IGT S Plus Coral Reef not taking coins
Post by: Amechanic on October 10, 2018, 03:38:01 AM
Don’t over tighten them. I have found the studs broken off. If the feel hard coming off they could be rusty on the thread.
Title: Re: IGT S Plus Coral Reef not taking coins
Post by: sixcardmark on October 10, 2018, 07:06:08 AM
I have changed the reel glass on S+ machines probably 50 times and have NEVER removed that lower panel.
Title: Re: IGT S Plus Coral Reef not taking coins
Post by: therockinelvis on October 10, 2018, 07:44:54 AM
We all have different techniques
Title: Re: IGT S Plus Coral Reef not taking coins
Post by: sixcardmark on October 10, 2018, 08:14:00 AM
I have tried to loosen those lower nuts before when the glass was stuck like glue from spilled drinks but never had much luck getting them all loose. Two of them are very hard to get to.  I think it's worth a try to start from the top.  Just trying to make it easier.  Hope I didn't offend anyone.
Title: Re: IGT S Plus Coral Reef not taking coins
Post by: rokgpsman on October 10, 2018, 09:58:55 AM
.....I have tried to loosen those lower nuts before when the glass was stuck like glue from spilled drinks but never had much luck getting them all loose. Two of them are very hard to get to.  I think it's worth a try to start from the top.  Just trying to make it easier.  Hope I didn't offend anyone.

Don't worry about that, we all have different ways to do some things. Everyone here is trying to help and different ideas often give the person needing the help some choices to solve his problem in a way that works best for him.   :wave:
Title: Re: IGT S Plus Coral Reef not taking coins
Post by: Jim on October 10, 2018, 10:57:49 AM
since you are having door optic problems removing the glass will serve many purpose:  first it will allow you to exactly see if the optics are aligned, and secondly it will allow you  physically to put the optics together to get the machine to reset the fault codes.

to remove the glass: remove the flor. lamp and its holder by removing the three 7/32 nuts, you can unplug the holder and get it out of your way. now loosen the nuts that hold the display panel in place, this will allow you to have some "wiggle" room when you remove the glass, again there are three nuts, 5/16 one under the left side (visible)  one underneath the denom lamp , and the third is on the right side, a little more difficult to get to, use a small extension (1 inch) this will allow you to work the tool with your fingers and not bust your knuckles. as stated before, the light fixture holder may seem attached after everything is removed, its just the foam padding sticking to the glass, some slight pressure will get it removed, same applies to the light panel, some gunk and grime may have it stuck to the glass, but some slight pressure will get it undone.

now you have full access to the optics and you can proceed from here. once the problem is solved, then you can replace the glass etc. 

Jim
Title: Re: IGT S Plus Coral Reef not taking coins
Post by: therockinelvis on October 10, 2018, 05:02:04 PM
Well the next time I need to change reel glass I will try the flour. way. I have only changed kits in a S+ 2 times and that was for 5 line glass. And only removed for optic alignment twice and that was when I was a newbie. Have repaired at least 100 S+ and 50 or so S2000. IGT is by far my favorite machine to repair. Since he has used his clear chip we better get ready to teach him about the settings he will need. I remember my feeling of getting the optics aligned for the first time. He will be so happy with himself. And that is what this hobby is all about.
Title: Re: IGT S Plus Coral Reef not taking coins
Post by: sgolembiewski0903 on October 10, 2018, 09:29:20 PM
Removed the reel glass, still the same issue... even when moving one of the optics by hand, in order to get the machine to toggle from 0-1, that point is SO fine I think it would be impossible to align, not to mention the slightest bump of the machine would knock it out of alignment...


I doubt IGT designed their optics to work on such a precise alignment (it is so precise, I can only hold it for about a second before the natural shaking movement of my fingers knocks it out of alignment (and I'm not a very "shaky" person)).


Any tips on how to align? Personally, I'm eagerly waiting for the new optics, and praying that those work!
Title: Re: IGT S Plus Coral Reef not taking coins
Post by: therockinelvis on October 11, 2018, 01:52:15 AM
loosen the screws just enough to slide the optic. Move it a hair, wait, repeat. Trying to hold by hand is pretty hard. If bumping the machine knocks it out of alignment then there are other issues. How much does your door move when it is open? Are you having to lift up on the door to close it?  Maybe bad hinge or just needs to be tightened.
Title: Re: IGT S Plus Coral Reef not taking coins
Post by: Amechanic on October 11, 2018, 03:55:50 AM
Can you post a couple pictures? One of a side view with your door closed and latched, then one from the front, but mostly of the top half of the door to see how it’s lining up with the cabinet.
Title: Re: IGT S Plus Coral Reef not taking coins
Post by: rokgpsman on October 11, 2018, 06:48:17 AM
A few years ago we had someone here that got tired of fighting their door optic alignment problem so much that they moved both of the optic parts to the reel shelf, with the optic parts facing each other so they were always in alignment. This told the machine that the door was closed. Then when they wanted to tell the machine the door was open (so they could enter the TEST & Setup menus) they simply put a small card in-between the optic parts to block the infrared optic light, which told the machine the door was open. Not saying this is what you should do, but it shows a clever solution to their problem. I think their machine had a door that was sagging or warped.
Title: Re: IGT S Plus Coral Reef not taking coins
Post by: sgolembiewski0903 on October 11, 2018, 12:53:15 PM
loosen the screws just enough to slide the optic. Move it a hair, wait, repeat. Trying to hold by hand is pretty hard. If bumping the machine knocks it out of alignment then there are other issues. How much does your door move when it is open? Are you having to lift up on the door to close it?  Maybe bad hinge or just needs to be tightened.


I am having to lift it up to close it, yes.


I'll get some pics soon to put on here!
Title: Re: IGT S Plus Coral Reef not taking coins
Post by: sgolembiewski0903 on October 11, 2018, 07:03:42 PM
Okay, got the new optics in, still the same issue... Here are some pics I can provide.  The last pic is what it looks like when the machine is actually toggling 010101 like it's supposed to, the sensors are definitely not lined up at this point but that's when it triggers the 01010101.  The pic before the last pic is what it looks in (actual photo).  First pic is how it sits naturally.


https://imgur.com/a/KUzilaB
Title: Re: IGT S Plus Coral Reef not taking coins
Post by: sgolembiewski0903 on October 11, 2018, 07:19:30 PM
A few years ago we had someone here that got tired of fighting their door optic alignment problem so much that they moved both of the optic parts to the reel shelf, with the optic parts facing each other so they were always in alignment. This told the machine that the door was closed. Then when they wanted to tell the machine the door was open (so they could enter the TEST & Setup menus) they simply put a small card in-between the optic parts to block the infrared optic light, which told the machine the door was open. Not saying this is what you should do, but it shows a clever solution to their problem. I think their machine had a door that was sagging or warped.


I notice that in the pic the sensors are facing each other pretty much dead-on. Here is a picture of how my sensors are working for me.
Dead on = 1
Sensor above or below other sensor = 0
sensor PERFECTLY (hairline) in the right spot above or below the other sensor = toggle 1010101


https://imgur.com/a/MjI4sNu
Title: Re: IGT S Plus Coral Reef not taking coins
Post by: sixcardmark on October 11, 2018, 07:35:49 PM
Keeps getting stranger.  You should never get a 13-1.  You should get 13-0 when not lined up, or 13-(toggle 0-1) when lined up.
Title: Re: IGT S Plus Coral Reef not taking coins
Post by: sgolembiewski0903 on October 11, 2018, 07:42:03 PM
Keeps getting stranger.  You should never get a 13-1.  You should get 13-0 when not lined up, or 13-(toggle 0-1) when lined up.


Hmm.. could it be something to do with the fact that I used the clear chip? Perhaps a setting needs to be addressed?


OR could it possibly be a power issue? Perhaps I need to meter the connectors?
Title: Re: IGT S Plus Coral Reef not taking coins
Post by: sixcardmark on October 11, 2018, 08:29:31 PM
Just ran test 13 on four machines and could not get a 13-1 on any of them.  Even unplugged the coin optics on one so I could start test with a code 21, same thing 13-0 until door closed, then 13-toggle 0-1 with door closed/latch down.
Title: Re: IGT S Plus Coral Reef not taking coins
Post by: rokgpsman on October 11, 2018, 09:17:09 PM
Does his machine possibly have the door optics parts installed reversed? Emitter where the receiver should be? The connectors on both optic parts are the same, so it is possible to get them installed wrong.
Title: Re: IGT S Plus Coral Reef not taking coins
Post by: Amechanic on October 11, 2018, 10:20:20 PM
Does his machine possibly have the door optics parts installed reversed? Emitter where the receiver should be? The connectors on both optic parts are the same, so it is possible to get them installed wrong.
If they were installed backwards or each in the wrong location you wouldn’t get any response from the optics.
Title: Re: IGT S Plus Coral Reef not taking coins
Post by: rokgpsman on October 11, 2018, 10:39:25 PM
What about a wrong SP chip for the version of mpu board? (16mhz SP chip installed on a 10mhz mpu, or vice-versa). Would that cause crazy door optic operation?

I'm thinking of oddball things, it seems like all of the logical and usual causes have already been looked at.
Title: Re: IGT S Plus Coral Reef not taking coins
Post by: Jim on October 12, 2018, 08:08:42 AM
yes we looked at all the obvious problems with the optics, HOWEVER,  there can many other reasons that the optics won't work,  wiring issues (could be resolved by voltage and continuity tests) and finally the board itself. (if we knew for sure the board was good, or no bent pins somewhere, or some connector not seated properly) 

first step I would do would be to verify the voltages are present, using the machine connector as the measuring point.  all that information is in the download section, in the repair book for the S+,  it is labeled as the "constant door open state"  page  14.   

P.S.   looking at your posted pictures,  picture z3,  the optics could never work like that, they aren't close to being aligned. 

Jim   
Title: Re: IGT S Plus Coral Reef not taking coins
Post by: sgolembiewski0903 on October 12, 2018, 12:49:58 PM
yes we looked at all the obvious problems with the optics, HOWEVER,  there can many other reasons that the optics won't work,  wiring issues (could be resolved by voltage and continuity tests) and finally the board itself. (if we knew for sure the board was good, or no bent pins somewhere, or some connector not seated properly) 

first step I would do would be to verify the voltages are present, using the machine connector as the measuring point.  all that information is in the download section, in the repair book for the S+,  it is labeled as the "constant door open state"  page  14.   

P.S.   looking at your posted pictures,  picture z3,  the optics could never work like that, they aren't close to being aligned. 

Jim


Where can I find the download section?


Also, I double checked and the optics are installed on the correct sides.
Title: Re: IGT S Plus Coral Reef not taking coins
Post by: Amechanic on October 12, 2018, 01:07:38 PM
It’s located on the very top of every page in the blue print. Here a link.

http://newlifegames.com/nlg/index.php?action=downloads (http://newlifegames.com/nlg/index.php?action=downloads)
Title: Re: IGT S Plus Coral Reef not taking coins
Post by: sgolembiewski0903 on October 12, 2018, 01:20:17 PM
It’s located on the very top of every page in the blue print. Here a link.

[url]http://newlifegames.com/nlg/index.php?action=downloads[/url] ([url]http://newlifegames.com/nlg/index.php?action=downloads[/url])



Hmm, it says I am not allowed to view downloads. Do I need to ask a moderator for permission?
Title: Re: IGT S Plus Coral Reef not taking coins
Post by: Amechanic on October 12, 2018, 01:30:32 PM
It’s open to contributing members of NLG. For a small donation to the sight it opens up to you. Well worth the money. There is a link at the bottom of each page for that too.
Title: Re: IGT S Plus Coral Reef not taking coins
Post by: sgolembiewski0903 on October 12, 2018, 01:34:24 PM
Sounds good I was planning on doing that anyways, nowsn a better time than any I reckon!
Title: Re: IGT S Plus Coral Reef not taking coins
Post by: rokgpsman on October 12, 2018, 04:36:44 PM
If case you haven't already seen it, there is also a lot of good information in the How-To Guides and other "Sticky Notes" found at the top of the S+ forum area:
http://newlifegames.com/nlg/index.php?board=80.0 (http://newlifegames.com/nlg/index.php?board=80.0)

Also, on the NLG homepage in the panel on the right-side of the screen is "Rick's FAQ" area with links to many useful S+ posts:
http://newlifegames.com/nlg/ (http://newlifegames.com/nlg/)

And the old NLG website is still archived and available for reading. The S+ model has been out long enough that the discussions and information on the old site is still valuable to S+ owners:
http://newlifegames.net/nlg/ (http://newlifegames.net/nlg/)

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.....Hmm, it says I am not allowed to view downloads. Do I need to ask a moderator for permission?

Nearly all of the NLG website is free for everyone to use. But for access to the downloads area and for posting items for sale in the Classified Ads area NLG members are asked to become "contributing" members instead of regular members. These contributions help to pay for the website costs to keep NLG online. All of the folks that help with questions and hours of problem-solving volunteer their time, no one is paid. So all contributions go to keeping NLG running. You don't have to become a contributing member to get help, there is no distinction in that between regular members and contributing members, everyone gets helped the best that we can. In addition to access to the download area and the Classified Ads area a contributing member gets unlimited storage of private messages on the NLG site. Regular members are allowed 10 pm's to be stored, then they have to delete some in order to receive more.

Here is information about user levels on NLG. There is an icon "badge" under your username on the left side of each of your postings that indicates your user level.
http://newlifegames.com/nlg/index.php?topic=45.msg308#msg308 (http://newlifegames.com/nlg/index.php?topic=45.msg308#msg308)
Title: Re: IGT S Plus Coral Reef not taking coins
Post by: rokgpsman on October 12, 2018, 06:06:51 PM
.....first step I would do would be to verify the voltages are present, using the machine connector as the measuring point.  all that information is in the download section, in the repair book for the S+,  it is labeled as the "constant door open state"  page  14.   

I think this is the troubleshooting page Jim referred to:
Title: Re: IGT S Plus Coral Reef not taking coins
Post by: sgolembiewski0903 on October 13, 2018, 01:16:38 PM
It seems as if all the options that I am able to perform myself have been done... might have to call in a service? I don't have the parts on hand to start doing things like switching boards, and I have zero knowledge of how to read these types of diagrams! It kind of seems like we've tried all "first aid" items and now it's time to call in the doctor - to be analagous.



Fixed tiny font issue. -knagl
Title: Re: IGT S Plus Coral Reef not taking coins
Post by: rokgpsman on October 13, 2018, 07:02:21 PM
What city is near you, and does it have any type of slot machine service shop?
Title: Re: IGT S Plus Coral Reef not taking coins
Post by: therockinelvis on October 14, 2018, 04:46:00 AM
I have a hard time believing this is anything but the usual. Did he ever find the green wires for the cash door switch? Are we sure the cash can is in all the way? I know he keeps talking about toggling in test 13. Is he trying to align the optics while out of test mode? Is he pushing the test button enough times to get out of test mode? Lets face it, just closing the door would exit test mode if machine saw door as closed. I am still confused how he gets past 61-1 without the door closing. He has cleared it twice, how can he get past the 61, 61-1, 65-1 etc.?
Title: Re: IGT S Plus Coral Reef not taking coins
Post by: sgolembiewski0903 on October 14, 2018, 01:38:01 PM
What city is near you, and does it have any type of slot machine service shop?


Yes as far as I know there is one in Tempe, AZ which is about an hour away from me
Title: Re: IGT S Plus Coral Reef not taking coins
Post by: sgolembiewski0903 on October 14, 2018, 01:39:36 PM
I have a hard time believing this is anything but the usual. Did he ever find the green wires for the cash door switch? Are we sure the cash can is in all the way? I know he keeps talking about toggling in test 13. Is he trying to align the optics while out of test mode? Is he pushing the test button enough times to get out of test mode? Lets face it, just closing the door would exit test mode if machine saw door as closed. I am still confused how he gets past 61-1 without the door closing. He has cleared it twice, how can he get past the 61, 61-1, 65-1 etc.?


I admit my gut agrees with you on this that is probably isn't an overly-complex issue, it might just be something that I am doing wrong or something that was accidentally overlooked, etc.


Am I supposed to align the optics in or out of test mode? I've been aligning them in test mode
Title: Re: IGT S Plus Coral Reef not taking coins
Post by: therockinelvis on October 14, 2018, 03:36:55 PM
Try aligning them out of test mode. Once they align, display should go blank for maybe 5 seconds while it resets. Turning the machine off then back on should get you out of test mode
Title: Re: IGT S Plus Coral Reef not taking coins
Post by: sgolembiewski0903 on October 18, 2018, 01:12:25 PM
Sorry for the inactivity ya'll! Been busy with work and a few other things SLASH I needed a little break!


Going to work on aligning the optics today.


Kind of random, but is this topper a desirable piece? I saw it at an auction yesterday, the whole ht for $35... I had a dolly and a trailer with a ramp but I was unsure of how heavy it would be so I didn't buy it? https://imgur.com/a/g6R0ZzM
Title: Re: IGT S Plus Coral Reef not taking coins
Post by: Amechanic on October 18, 2018, 01:26:49 PM
That’s what they call a slant top style slot machine. Very heavy. Like moving a refrigerator. I like them my self.
Title: Re: IGT S Plus Coral Reef not taking coins
Post by: sgolembiewski0903 on October 18, 2018, 01:53:03 PM
With a dolly is it possible for one person to easily move?


Also, did you see that topper? It has a digital display, I'm guessing that screen is where the "cascading diamonds" bonus plays out.  I've NEVER seen one like that before that I can remember, and I've frequented a fair amount of casinos!


I was thinking that I could possibly just buy it and sell it to a slot machine shop (there was one near the auction location).
Title: Re: IGT S Plus Coral Reef not taking coins
Post by: sgolembiewski0903 on October 18, 2018, 02:26:09 PM
Try aligning them out of test mode. Once they align, display should go blank for maybe 5 seconds while it resets. Turning the machine off then back on should get you out of test mode


Nothing good to report back after trying that. I will say that I tried getting out of the test menu by pressing the white button until it got to the end, and at the end, the screen went blank, made a DING, and now it's displaying 3100 and 16-3 alternating.


I got that 3100 code before and fiddlig with the hopper fixed it but I haven't had any luck with it this time around.
Title: Re: IGT S Plus Coral Reef not taking coins
Post by: sixcardmark on October 18, 2018, 03:19:27 PM
try opening and closing the door a few times.  Maybe it's working now.
Title: Re: IGT S Plus Coral Reef not taking coins
Post by: Amechanic on October 18, 2018, 03:25:43 PM
With a dolly is it possible for one person to easily move?
Also, did you see that topper? It has a digital display, I'm guessing that screen is where the "cascading diamonds" bonus plays out.  I've NEVER seen one like that before that I can remember, and I've frequented a fair amount of casinos!
I was thinking that I could possibly just buy it and sell it to a slot machine shop (there was one near the auction location).

To move a slant top you almost need an appliance dolly. If you strap it to one of those then yes a person could move it. I wouldn’t want to try doing it wit a regular two wheel dolly tho.

As for your game.. The 3100 is a code that the hopper jammed or could have an optic problem. I my self would check the connectors on the back of the hoppers plug. I knocked one off once by Accident and caused this code. The 16-3 has my attention since it’s not an error code that I see.
Title: Re: IGT S Plus Coral Reef not taking coins
Post by: therockinelvis on October 18, 2018, 04:40:02 PM
Better yet, take that darned Hopper out and leave it out for now. With it out you should be able to power the machine on and not have that error. The only time I ever got 3100 is when I put the hopper in while the machine was on. Always cleared open/close door.  Been giving you 3100 since the beginning. Take that error away and work on one error at a time. Lets get it to reset itself then add coin and hopper back to the mix.
Title: Re: IGT S Plus Coral Reef not taking coins
Post by: sixcardmark on October 18, 2018, 05:23:07 PM
Door says 3100 code (hopper overpay) alternates with normal display, so 16 3 is not a code?
Title: Re: IGT S Plus Coral Reef not taking coins
Post by: therockinelvis on October 18, 2018, 05:28:05 PM
No 16-3 codes. The only thing that would make sense if it had paid 3 coins of 16 :Please_Post_Pictures_2clr:
Title: Re: IGT S Plus Coral Reef not taking coins
Post by: Amechanic on October 18, 2018, 05:46:59 PM
No 16-3 codes. The only thing that would make sense if it had paid 3 coins of 16 :Please_Post_Pictures_2clr:

This is what I’m wondering if it thinks it had a coin jam or hopper malfunction at that partial payment?? Did we ever figure out if this hopper good or runs?
Title: Re: IGT S Plus Coral Reef not taking coins
Post by: off-track on October 18, 2018, 07:34:00 PM
I got that 3100 code before and fiddlig with the hopper fixed it but I haven't had any luck with it this time around.
Did your fiddling include releasing the motor brake and rotating the hopper wheel by hand?  Are there coins in the hopper?  I had this error recently and found a nickel had somehow found it's way into my quarter machine causing a hopper jamb on payout.
Title: Re: IGT S Plus Coral Reef not taking coins
Post by: sgolembiewski0903 on October 18, 2018, 08:59:04 PM
The hopper does work fine, before I got stuck in code 21 (and now code 3100/16-3) it worked when using tedt credits. Payouts were ckrrect and complete.


Removdd the hopper and am still getting the same error codes
Title: Re: IGT S Plus Coral Reef not taking coins
Post by: Amechanic on October 18, 2018, 09:19:35 PM
Anyway you can post a shit video of these two codes? The 16-3 is odd..
Title: Re: IGT S Plus Coral Reef not taking coins
Post by: sgolembiewski0903 on October 18, 2018, 09:27:00 PM
Here ya go


https://photos.app.goo.gl/fTPPqDaLiCiCJSsS9
Title: Re: IGT S Plus Coral Reef not taking coins
Post by: Amechanic on October 18, 2018, 09:50:34 PM
The 16 is in the winner paid light and the 3 is in coin played. If it was a code the numbers would be like then you see the 61-1 together. To me that machine is saying it had/has a hopper malfunction 3100 possblie after paying 16 coins on a 3 coin play..
Title: Re: IGT S Plus Coral Reef not taking coins
Post by: sgolembiewski0903 on October 18, 2018, 10:00:36 PM
The 16 is in the winner paid light and the 3 is in coin played. If it was a code the numbers would be like then you see the 61-1 together. To me that machine is saying it had/has a hopper malfunction 3100 possblie after paying 16 coins on a 3 coin play..


The only thing I have done since using the cleaar chip was a few spins on test credits and they all paid out properly.
Title: Re: IGT S Plus Coral Reef not taking coins
Post by: Amechanic on October 18, 2018, 10:51:52 PM
When you say test credits are you referring to the white test button by the coin in optics? That will allow you to spin the reels and should add up credits that would have been won under normal playing conditions with $$ being used. They go away once the doors closed and the game boots up to be played.
Title: Re: IGT S Plus Coral Reef not taking coins
Post by: therockinelvis on October 19, 2018, 01:51:54 AM
There you go, it's still in test mode
Title: Re: IGT S Plus Coral Reef not taking coins
Post by: therockinelvis on October 19, 2018, 01:58:03 PM
Why is this machine not exiting test mode when turned off? Machine off then back on should have it looking for door closed. That is when you should try aligning optics. When they are aligned display will go blank, reels will spin right to left, the display will come back on, ready for a paid game. Dropping coins with door open state will cause code 21.
Title: Re: IGT S Plus Coral Reef not taking coins
Post by: Amechanic on October 19, 2018, 03:20:10 PM
One thing keeps crossing my mine and I’m not sure it matters, but I would pull the ram chip off the MPU and ground it out on a metal surface for 30 second to a minute. Them reinstall it to see what the machine does? It should work like doing a clear on the board. It just a thought :Scratch-Head:
Title: Re: IGT S Plus Coral Reef not taking coins
Post by: sgolembiewski0903 on October 20, 2018, 11:49:15 AM
I've done it, and from what I can tell it's gone full-circle.


After using the clear chip (and clearing a few error codes starting with 61) I was back to the point of being able to use the button on the coin optic to give me test credits and the machine worked fine with that (like it did before). The Insert Coin light was on but all coins fell straight through to the tray (just like before).


I tried unplugging the CC to see if it would skip on through to the optics and got a code 21 error. From that point, the 21 has been stuck, opening and shutting the door isn't working (like before). The only difference that I know of is now the coin optics do not have Q4 because I removed it.


The credit button (near the coin optics) only worked until this happened. If I used the clear chip again it would probably do the same ting I'm assuming. Except now I don't see the code 21, I only see the 3100 and 16-3 alternating.
Title: Re: IGT S Plus Coral Reef not taking coins
Post by: sgolembiewski0903 on October 20, 2018, 02:14:12 PM
So I went a little rogue and used the clear chip again, since I can still use the test credit button for a little slot enjoyment in the meanwhile! Howeever, I am afraid to press the test button since it will put me right back to the error code 21 that we couldn't get rid of!

Does it suggest anything that after I use the clear chip and turn on the machine the test credit button works? The insert coin light comes on and everything seems fine, but it just won't accept money.

QUOTE FROM EARLIER: After I used the clear chip it would do the reel spin, work fine with test credits (the hopper worked fine also) but it would not take money, although the "insert coins" light was on. As soon as I messed with the CC/Optics it went back to code 21.


Fixed tiny font issue, again.  -knagl
Title: Re: IGT S Plus Coral Reef not taking coins
Post by: therockinelvis on October 20, 2018, 05:04:18 PM
I am very curious. Can you list the steps and actions you are doing for the clear? I thought the 21 came from inserting coins? Then you said something about getting it with the pseudo coin button. After clearing the machine are you using the set chip for denom. and BV on? Are you trying to align the optics with the machine NOT in test mode?
Title: Re: IGT S Plus Coral Reef not taking coins
Post by: sgolembiewski0903 on October 20, 2018, 05:37:27 PM
I have not used the set chip after using the clear chip. Maybe that's the problem? I don't think anyone mentioned that you need to use it immediately after using the clear chip.


After using the clear chip the insert coin light and the $.25 light are on on the display, no others. Coins fall right through. When doing the 13_1 test with the door open the screen displays a 13_0 UNTIL the I close the door, then it displays a solid 13_1 (rather than a toggling 101010etc.)



Title: Re: IGT S Plus Coral Reef not taking coins
Post by: therockinelvis on October 20, 2018, 05:42:13 PM
Please stop doing the 13 test and work more on aligning the optics through the reel glass. Get those sucker's aligned
Title: Re: IGT S Plus Coral Reef not taking coins
Post by: sgolembiewski0903 on October 20, 2018, 05:47:21 PM
Please stop doing the 13 test and work more on aligning the optics through the reel glass. Get those sucker's aligned


They look as aligned as they can possibly be, I don't know how to align them any more than they already are. Unless there's some trick like one has to be 45 degrees and the other had to mirror it I don't know how else to align them.


The 13 test is the only way to confirm they are aligned anyways, correct?
Title: Re: IGT S Plus Coral Reef not taking coins
Post by: sgolembiewski0903 on October 20, 2018, 06:03:10 PM
I go through the service menu until it goes blank. The reels do their initialization spin and then the display lights up (showing me the last known bet/pay from when I use the test credits). Insert coin light is also on.


I believe it's out of service mode but I honestly have no idea at this point since the machine doesn't seem to be making any sense




Title: Re: IGT S Plus Coral Reef not taking coins
Post by: knagl on October 23, 2018, 11:10:34 PM
I go through the service menu until it goes blank. The reels do their initialization spin and then the display lights up (showing me the last known bet/pay from when I use the test credits). Insert coin light is also on.

Everything you described in your last post indicates that the machine is ready to accept a coin and play.

When you open the door and then close it, do the LED displays (such as the number in the Coins Played display) go blank for a second or two, then return?  If so, that's an indication that your door optics are working properly.
Title: Re: IGT S Plus Coral Reef not taking coins
Post by: Jim on October 24, 2018, 07:36:19 AM
I need you to do three things: If you to get your machine working.

with the machine as you described:  close the door and put the latch all the way down, insert a coin, what happens??

open the door, get into the input test mode,  where 10_1 is shown in the window, do the test for each optic and tell me what happens on 10_1, 11_1 and 12_ 1, 11_1 can also be toggled by using the small white test button.

now do test 13, and tell me what happens when the door is closed and the latch all the way down.

If you send me your board, and the entire CC-16 assembly complete with harness I will test them in my machine, it will only cost you the price of shipping both ways, 13.65 each way.

Jim
Title: Re: IGT S Plus Coral Reef not taking coins
Post by: therockinelvis on October 26, 2018, 05:05:47 PM

I go through the service menu until it goes blank. The reels do their initialization spin and then the display lights up (showing me the last known bet/pay from when I use the test credits).





I went to one of my machines, opened the door, pressed the pseudo coin button and played a few spins until I won something. When I closed and latched the door the displays went blank, the reels spun right to left and came to rest in the last position of a PAID game, not test game. I then repeated it again and this time when I closed the door, I lifted the handle to break the optics. It then spun the reels right to left to the last TEST game. I believe your machine is seeing the optics close for a second then breaking. This is why I keep pushing aligning with the door closed and moving optics so slightly through the reel glass. Once they align you will see the display go blank. We have a 3 hour time difference, so getting on the phone with you would be tough. I am normally home for about an hour then go to bed. Go to work, then spend time at the hospital with my wife, then back home, shower, computer, bed again.
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