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**Reel Slots** Gaming Machines => IGT S and S-plus Reel Games => Topic started by: Jlong on October 15, 2018, 05:47:46 PM
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Hi all.
I had always wanted a slot machine and finally a deal fell in my lap I couldn't say no to. Picked up 3 s+ machines for 150$ here in Costa Rica. Yes they have been used and abused in various casinos down here. But they are mostly complete. 2 even take the local currency in the bill acceptors. The 3rd bill acceptor doesn't work. Anyways on to the questions. 2 are double black tie with ss4714 and sp882. Can't find any information on the sp882 chip programming. One of the 2 is set up with Montana crediting and the other only takes 3 coins at a time. Anyone still have a PDF or a doc for the sp882 laying around? The other machine is a haywire I haven't torn into it yet too much but it's missing it's motherboard and the battery on the main board made a mess inside. Probably why the motherboard was removed. Any help would be appreciated with the sp882. I am still combing eBay for a motherboard to get the other one up and running. Great site by the way. Been super helpful getting the answers I needed here to have 2 working properly.
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Always good to help a Tika out....
I think your looking for a MPU board. That is the removeable board in the tray. The motherboard is the small fixed board that the MPU slides into.
You might want to contact some of those on the home page as they will likely have the S+ MPU motherboard.
Often better than a Ebay buy as the board will be tested and confirmed working.
If you have the tray (with a small transformer) you can likely ship just the MPU board and save the weight of the tray.
The Bill validator that is not working likely needs to use a SET chip to activate.
If your buying a SET chip, (and paying for shipping) also buy a Clear chip. Probably get those chips from the same vendor as the MPU board.
With regards to the SET chip. Go to the home page. Lower right side is RICKS FAQs and it will show the process for using the SET chip.
The clear chip is used to bring the machines back to factory settings. Rarely used but good to have just in case.
For the 882 (game chip) you are looking for a document called a PSR (Program Summary Report) and it has all the instructions of how to program the machine.
The other chip is the Reel chip and you can get a PAR sheet for that (Paytable and Reel) it will tell you the game %% payout frequency etc.
You can get some of that information from the online IGT game bible also to be found in Ricks FAQ.
There is also a simplified S+ game setting excel sheet that you should be able to find in the files area of the site.
With or without the PSR sheet this should help.
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Thanks jay for your super quick reply.
Actually I am looking for the small board that all the wires and mpu plug into. The mpu on that machine was a mess from the battery exploding but I cleaned it up pretty good and tried it in one of the others. Got a code 12 on the screen. So I'll get a battery here locally and try it again. Hopefully it will give me a 61 and I'll know it works. Got my fingers crossed on it. I'll check out the FAQs. I searched and searched for that sp882 couldn't find the documentation for it. Is it the same as another chip perhaps?
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I didn't see anything on the SP882 document in the NLG files area. And this long list of SP chips (below) doesn't show the SP882 either:
http://newlifegames.com/nlg/index.php?topic=303.msg847#msg847 (http://newlifegames.com/nlg/index.php?topic=303.msg847#msg847)
So it is probably one for exported machines that we don't see much here in USA. Maybe one of the folks here on NLG has it in their personal collection. There are other SP chips that have the Montana credits feature, you might be able to use the PSR for one of them to guide you on programming the machine with SP882. Check the list of SP chips (linked above) to see which ones have Montana credits.
just to make sure we are using the same terminology,
The smaller circuit board that is mounted horizontally on the bottom floor of the machine cabinet is called the "motherboard". The larger board that plugs into it and stands vertically is the "mpu" board. The mpu is the board with the battery.
Here is the NLG S+ gamepage for the Double Black Tie, the chart shows that the SS4714 has a payout percentage that is on the low side of what's available but that may be normal for casinos in your area. Some cruise ships and resort areas tend to have crummy payout percentages to fleece the tourists I guess.
http://www.newlifegames.net/igtbible/IGT%203CM/Game%20Library%20-%20S-Plus%20-%20Double%20Black%20Tie%20(3%20Coin%20Multiplier).htm (http://www.newlifegames.net/igtbible/IGT%203CM/Game%20Library%20-%20S-Plus%20-%20Double%20Black%20Tie%20(3%20Coin%20Multiplier).htm)
I couldn't tell if you meant the 3rd machine bill validator doesn't work at all, or if it doesn't work with local currency. If the 2 bill validators that accept local currency are DBV-200 or DBV-145 you might be able to remove the eprom from one of them and clone it to make another bill validator eprom for use in the third machine. Then just get a good-working bill acceptor for that 3rd machine and install your CR currency eprom.
By using the white TEST button you can check the machine's settings to see if the bill validator is enabled or disabled. If it is enabled but still doesn't work you can try it in one of the other machines to see if the bv works or not.
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thanks rokgpsman you guys are super helpful on this forum. I kind of have a passion for restoring old coin operated machines. Jukeboxes, soda machines even did a old payphone. Of all the forums i have used this is definitely the fastest for replies.
I believe you are correct about the sp882 being an export chip. As these machines were used in casinos here and yes the payouts are garbage. They clean out the tourists here all the time on the slots, maybe have a chance with cards or roulette. When i googled the sp882 i got a link to an old post on newlifegames.net from 2009 where it looks like user stayouttadabunker found the psr for the sp882 for another user. I know that was almost 10 years ago but hey i had to try. Maybe its better if i just get new eproms for one of the blacktie machines and a whole game kit for the other.
I thought it was kinda strange that both machines have the sp882 and are completely different. One doesn't do credits at all. It will only take up to 3 coins and then reject unless you spin the reels. if you win it immediately pays you the winnings. It also is the one i used for testing the bill validators on as its enabled on that machine. But it works like a change machine. Stick the bill in and it spits coins out. The other machine works with credits. Takes as many coins as you feed into it and you have to hit the cash out button for it to spit coins out. I guess its all in the options but i have no idea how to set them up without a psr. Ill try looking at the other psr here and see if there is one that makes sense compared to what i see on the screens when i push the test button.
The bill validators are all jcm wba 11 frames. 2 have wba 13ss heads one has a wba 11 head. the 2 13s are the ones that work. they power up and cycle properly and take local currency when i tested them in the one enabled slot. the other bill validator that is both wba 11 head and frame wont take local currency but it may be due to the currency being changed back in 2007. The eprom has a different label as well. I think you are right I may only need to change the head and clone the chips from one of the other working validators.
I can tell these are going to be fun projects.
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If your in need of a S+ mother board I’m sure if you posted a WTB (want to buy) ad in the Classified section one of our many vender can help you. I might even have one here, I can check tomorrow. I’m currently building a Haywire machine here, and I just converted it to a SP1274 game chip. Works great.
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NLG member Stayouttadabunker is still active on NLG, you could try sending a pm to him to see if he still has the SP882 document. Some of us never throw away or delete anything. Here is his NLG profile page and it has some contact info:
http://newlifegames.com/nlg/index.php?action=profile;u=17 (http://newlifegames.com/nlg/index.php?action=profile;u=17)
Or if you see one of his posts here on NLG you can click on one of the contact icons that is shown to the left side of his post, down below his username.
The action you describe about the machine not taking any more than 3 coins is the way the "normal" SP chip performs. Most S+ machines will only let you put in whatever the max coins are for 1 spin, coins inserted after that are rejected back to the coin tray. It takes a certain SP chip to let you insert a bunch of coins and build up credits. I think the SP chips that have the Montana credits feature will let you "tokenize" the coin so that each coin inserted will give you several credits, like insert a quarter and get 100 credits.
The other thing you mention about all winning spins getting paid immediately from the hopper instead of going to the credit meter, or sticking in a bill and it paying out coins from the hopper (like a change machine) are controlled by settings in the TEST menus. You should be able to change that. So even with the same SP882 chip in both machines you can select different options in the TEST menus so the machine don't have to operate the same.
On the player deck is there a button over to the left that says "Cash-Credit"? If so, pressing it once may change the machine that is paying out wins immediately to start storing the wins as credits.
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You mentioned possibly changing one of the Double Black Tie machines to another game. I think the Double Black Tie game is a "clone" of some other S+ games, such as Double Red, White & Blue:
http://www.newlifegames.net/igtbible/IGT%203CM/Game%20Library%20-%20S-Plus%20-%20Double%20Red,%20White%20&%20Blue%20(3%20Coin%20Mul.htm (http://www.newlifegames.net/igtbible/IGT%203CM/Game%20Library%20-%20S-Plus%20-%20Double%20Red,%20White%20&%20Blue%20(3%20Coin%20Mul.htm)
and the Double BlackJack game:
http://www.newlifegames.net/igtbible/IGT%203CM/Game%20Library%20-%20S-Plus%20-%20Double%20Black%20Jack%20(3%20Coin%20Multiplier.htm (http://www.newlifegames.net/igtbible/IGT%203CM/Game%20Library%20-%20S-Plus%20-%20Double%20Black%20Jack%20(3%20Coin%20Multiplier.htm)
Possibly others. So you could change out the glass and strips on one of the Dbl Blk Tie machines to a clone game, the mpu chips would stay the same. That way you'd have a different looking machine and not need to change out the SP or SS chips. Of course, sometimes the glass and strips come with the SS chip so this may not be a big-deal idea, but something to be aware of. (plus, with those low-percent SS4714 chips I'd be thinking about changing them anyway, unless you are setting up a tourist-oriented casino) :garfield:
From what I understand, the WBA bill acceptors with an even model number (WBA-12) have an eprom and the model numbers with an odd number (WBA-11) have a flash rom. Or I've got that backwards. Anyway, the software for the WBA is stored in a chip located in the transport/stacker mechanism. So if you have the models that have an eprom you can more easily update and work with them.
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Attached is the PSR for SP1137. It is one of the few SP chips that has the Montana credits feature. Maybe it will be similar enough to your SP882 chip that you can get some of the programming for it taken care of. Don't be surprised if some of the programming info doesn't work, the SP882 is an older chip and SP1137 might have some newer features.
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Add Hot Peppers to the list:
http://www.newlifegames.net/igtbible/IGT%203CM/Game%20Library%20-%20S-Plus%20-%20Hot%20Peppers%20(3%20Coin%20Multiplier).htm (http://www.newlifegames.net/igtbible/IGT%203CM/Game%20Library%20-%20S-Plus%20-%20Hot%20Peppers%20(3%20Coin%20Multiplier).htm)
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Amechanic let me know if you have one. I am still putting a parts wishlist together. A vendor already contacted me but I will need several parts to get these machines back to 100%. Not to happy with the condor plus comparitors that they have. They are locked to one coin only and can't be programmed.
Rokgpsman. I will give him a try. Wasn't sure if I could just ask someone about a 10 year old post and actually expect an answer. But good to know there are more out there like me that keep stuff like that just in case. I believe the machine that is doing credits is "tokenized" 1 coin is 4 credits but cash out is 1 coin per credit. Kinda weird but I'll get it sorted out. The other machine that pays per win does indeed have a cash credit button but sadly when I tried it it does nothing. It doesn't even light up with a good bulb in it. But the pays per win is kinda fun. Gives it more action. Just need to make bills go to credits.
Good to know about just changing the glass and strips. I'll do amor searches and see which ones are compatible with it and see if I can track any down. These machines are getting older by the day. The bill validators have EPROMs in the transport mechanism. Actually 2 on a board with pins that goes into the socket on the mechanisms board. Looks nothing like the pictures I have seen online of the WBA-11. Maybe due to the currency here. I'll see if I can post a pic or 2 tomorrow to share.
Awesome thanks for the psr. I'll print it out and give it a try tomorrow afternoon and see how it lines up and let you know how it turned out.
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I found another psr that might be helpful, this one is SP878. It doesn't have Montana credits but I thought the rest of it might be similar to your SP882 since the SP numbers are so close to each other. Let us know how it goes!
Open the main door and look under that Cash-Credit button, make sure it doesn't have a wire disconnected.
EDIT- check the dipswitches on the mpu board on both DBT machines to see if they match, with some SP chips there is a dipswitch setting that causes inserted bills to go directly to hopper payout (dipswitch #4). Also check TEST menu option setting #8 Bill Acceptor Pay Mode, should be set to 8-1 for inserted bills to go to credit meter. I don't know if your SP882 chips works this way but it might.
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Add Hot Peppers to the list:
[url]http://www.newlifegames.net/igtbible/IGT%203CM/Game%20Library%20-%20S-Plus%20-%20Hot%20Peppers%20(3%20Coin%20Multiplier).htm[/url] ([url]http://www.newlifegames.net/igtbible/IGT%203CM/Game%20Library%20-%20S-Plus%20-%20Hot%20Peppers%20(3%20Coin%20Multiplier).htm)[/url]
Thanks Mark - IGT sure did get a lot of mileage out of their S+ games. They probably have 100 original games, the other 900 are clones and variations, like Triple Double Gobble-Gobble. :garfield:
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i know this is a silly question, But what is the Montana Credit Feature
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Montana credits allow additional coins to go to credit rather than dropping to the tray after the max for the game is inserted. I really like SP1137.
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Montana credits allow additional coins to go to credit rather than dropping to the tray after the max for the game is inserted. I really like SP1137.
aw never seen one of those yet,
mine drops to tray, and if insert coins fast enough hopper will spit extra ones back out
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Montana credits allow additional coins to go to credit rather than dropping to the tray after the max for the game is inserted. I really like SP1137.
Always wished the option was available on all S+ Games like it is on the S2000 machines.
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It is a neat option, I assume it got the name "Montana" credits because of a gaming jurisdiction requirement there some time in the past. (or maybe that famous SF 49ers quarterback had some influence). :odie:
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It is a neat feature, I assume it got the name "Montana" credits because of a gaming jurisdiction requirement there some time in the past. (or maybe that famous SF 49ers quarterback had some influence). :odie:
the introduction of multi denom had something to do with it as well
25 cent coin on a 1$ credit machine cant have that auto going to the bet
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The state of Montana is restrictive on gambling. They allow video poker and a few other video machines in the casinos but not slot machines, and no reel-based machines. An exception is in the Indian casinos, they have the class II bingo style slot machines that can have reels. So I'm not sure what the origin of the term "Montana credits" is.
https://www.americancasinoguide.com/casinos-by-state/montana-casinos.html (https://www.americancasinoguide.com/casinos-by-state/montana-casinos.html)
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NLG member Stayouttadabunker is still active on NLG, you could try sending a pm to him to see if he still has the SP882 document. Some of us never throw away or delete anything. Here is his NLG profile page and it has some contact info:
Haha...Unfortunately I dug around and couldn't find an 882 PSR in my library.
Closest I had was an SP878 and SP922.
There's a lot missing really.
Another thing you could try is to sort of "reverse engineer" the SP882 chip you have by going through all the options one-by-one and comparing it to an SP882/SP922 PSR sheet to try and figure out what's different. :sherlock:
I used to do this sort of stuff years ago learning everything I could about the ol' S+ chips. :yes:
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Here is SP922 in case it is helpful and you want to try using it as a guide for your SP882.
(it is a .doc file, I didn't see a pdf version of it)
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Hey rokgpsman. Great job. Looks like the the psr for the sp1137 works for my machines. Turns out one was set up for euro style 2 credit. That was the one doing Montana style. Switched them both to vegas non-credit option and the one that has the validator enabled puts bills to credits and wins immediately cash out. Much more fun. Only takes the 3 coins max before a spin though. But everyone here at the house is happy with that. It seems they did something strange with the validator though. Our currency here is in thousands. We have a 1k,2k 5k and 10k bills. 1k is about 2 dollars. It won't take anything over 2k and give 80 credits for it. After checking in the options the machine is setup to 25 cents and USA region did the math and seems all they did was stick a chip in the validator so it will read the currency and set the 2k bill to trigger a 20 dollar bill in the program. If i got a eprom burner would looking at the programming help or it is what it is and I should be happy it works at all? We do have 25 coins here btw. Probably what they used. Thanks again for all your help.
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If one of the bill validators accepts all the bills you want it to but the other one does not it would seem that you could update the older one by cloning the eprom from the newer bill validator. This should work provided they are both the same model but I'm not too familiar with the WBA units. You mentioned one (or was it both) of them had a piggy-back board that allowed 2 chips to connect into one socket?
If your SP882 allows "tokenization" that might be something to look into. Then you could simply insert 1 coin and get many credits for it. If you set the machine to "non-credit" then I think all wins will get paid immediately from hopper, won't go to credits. And if you insert a bill it may pay it out of the hopper too. Can you set it for credit operation? That way when someone gets a winning spin they will get the win put to credits and can then play off the credits instead of having to insert money for each spin.
Glad to hear you are making good progress with the Double Black Tie machines. Can you set the credit limit higher to get the machine to accept bills larger than 2K? Do you think it is a limit problem in one of the machine's settings, or maybe the bills larger than 2k have been redesigned (look different than in years past) and the software in the WBA just doesn't recognize them? We have that problem here with older bill validators not working with the new US $100 bill.
What is the status of the Haywire and what are your plans for it? We probably should start a different discussion thread for it if you want to pursue any questions and help with it.
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The bills here got updated slowly back in 2008. They created the new 50k and 20k bills first then redesigned the 10k then 5k then 2k finally ending with the 1k making it a polymer bill. The fact that the machine will take a 2k bill leads me to believe that it was in use to at least 2009 so it should read the 5 and 10k bills as well as they were changed before the 2k. The 2 validators with the 13ss heads on them will read the 2k bills ok after a couple of tries. Neither will read the 5 or 10k so far. But my examples were well used so I may try again. The validator with the 11ss head won't read any of the new bills. Yes they have a piggyback board with 2 EPROMs in it. I'll take some pics to share.
I tried the tokenization setting. I will have to wait for my set chip so I can change the amount of credits per coin. It's currently set at 4.
I set the credit limit to 500 just to see if the bigger bills would work but no dice. The bills don't get accepted. But I can now use a 2k bill and then another one right after it. So that's a plus. They are fun machines. Payout is ok. I can see what you were saying about maybe changing the odds. I'll do some digging on other reel chips here in the forum.
The haywire got put on the back burner till I can get parts here. But I definetly want it working also. I'll start a new thread when I get some pics and parts.
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You may also want to check the dipswitches on the head.
You can exclude certain denominations.
In the US there was a bad run (lots in circulation) of fake $50's that were validated.
For sometime the $50 was turned off.
It is a common perception that a $50 is bad luck. This stems from two sources.
The Dead mans Hand which is a famous picture of a person with four aces and a bullet through his head. There is a $50 on the table.
Ben *Bugsy* Siegel who opened the first Hotel/Casino *The Flamingo* on the strip was gunned down - accounts differ that he was either found dead with a $50 sticking out of his breast pocket or was placed in his mouth. Supposedly this was a message from Chicago to others who may have been Skimming (stealing) from the count.
So to cut to the chase .... while the fakes were in circulation - the public was told that the $50 was disabled because it was bad luck.
There also is a max credit setting so your 50K bills may exceed that limit. You will need to use your set chip.
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Many thanks to you all for your help on this project. Special thanks to slots4home for providing me the parts I needed for the haywire too. Started a new thread for the haywire machine. I was trying to use the set chip to change the denomination on one of the double black tie machines. Set it and put the chip back and it boots to a 61. When I push and hold the self test, screen goes blank for a second and then I get a 65 1 error. When I hold the self test to clear that error the denomination is 0. Can't change it. Any ideas? Also something else has changed as well that makes the coin in go to the base and not the hopper. Can't figure out what else changed.
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61 should go to a 61-1
is the game chip plugged in the right way with the matching knotches ?
The 65 is a CMOS error.
I would press the white set button to go through all the settings until it resets, then turn the jackpot key once.
Close the door.
Are you sure you didn't use a clear chip ? the loss of your credit settings sounds like a clear chip has been used.
Download Rons Simplified game settings sheet from the files area and this will walk you through changing the credit settings.
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I'm sure it's not the clear chip. It was the set chip. Gave me the option to choose the denomination. It was kinda strange that I would set the denom and then cycle thru again without a power off and the denom was zero again. Wondering if maybe the sp0882 doesn't support 50 cent denom. The other machine is set for 25. Or maybe I need another set chip? It worked great on my sp0805 haywire.
I never get to 61 1. When the 61 error shows I hold the self test button and the screen flashes and then the 65 1 error shows up.
By the way what is the key switch on the mpu housing for?
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The key on the MPU housing is not a switch. Its a physical lock to keep the MPU tray in place.
The key switch I was referencing is on the right side of the S+
The 61 should only come up after a game change or a clear. To cavet that statement you only get a 61 after a game change if the game chip was changed to a different number.
This is why I think you may have used a clear chip or did something funny (ie chip backwards) to cause the game to forget its settings.
The 65 is a cmos error. It comes up when the format of the two CMOS chips don't match. One cmos is on the MPU board the other is on the fixed mother board.
If I had a 1271 and went back to a 731 I would get a 65 error. In reverse going to a 1271 from a 731 = Typically the 1271 is smart enough to recognize the old format and you don't get a 65 error.
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On my machines all 3 have the key switch on the mpu housing. It has wire leads coming off it and going down to the motherboard.
I knew you were referring to the jackpot reset to clear the 61 error. Was just curious about the other key switch on the mpu housing.
I made sure I didn't put any chips in backwards. The chip I used worked on the sp805 haywire. Just not sure why the double black tie won't take a change. It does play though. So maybe I won't worry about it. Haven't tried the bill validator yet.
All the same this double black tie machine is the one I wanted a new game kit for so maybe it's just asking a little harder for the change now. Lol
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Interesting - where on the mother board do the leads go ?