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Title: Helix software?
Post by: KAD on March 03, 2023, 09:47:06 AM
Will Helix software work with a Viridian WS? Thanks.
Title: Re: Helix software?
Post by: idesign on March 03, 2023, 12:22:22 PM
Pretty much all of them will.  They come on CFAST cards so will have to be converted to CF cards.
Title: Re: Helix software?
Post by: jakah440 on March 03, 2023, 01:00:35 PM
Will Helix software work with a Viridian WS? Thanks.
I'll add that some require specific hardware such as a dynamic button panel or a monitor that needs to be able to hit some of the higher resolutions of a wide screen.

Justin
Title: Re: Helix software?
Post by: idesign on March 03, 2023, 01:20:45 PM

I'll add that some require specific hardware such as a dynamic button panel or a monitor that needs to be able to hit some of the higher resolutions of a wide screen.

Justin

What game have you found that requires a higher res Wide Screen?  I never had an issue with screen res on a WS with any Helix  or Helix + game. I was even able to play Buffalo Gold Revolution, a Gen9 MarsX game, on mine after I added a USB touch controller. 

Also, the OLED deck is a must but most of the WS Viridians come with them.
Title: Re: Helix software?
Post by: jakah440 on March 03, 2023, 01:33:01 PM

I'll add that some require specific hardware such as a dynamic button panel or a monitor that needs to be able to hit some of the higher resolutions of a wide screen.

Justin

What game have you found that requires a higher res Wide Screen?  I never had an issue with screen res on a WS with any Helix  or Helix + game. I was even able to play Buffalo Gold Revolution, a Gen9 MarsX game, on mine after I added a USB touch controller. 

Also, the OLED deck is a must but most of the WS Viridians come with them.

Sorry i missed that he had a WS to start with. I have a standard Viridian that i've had to add a hi-res monitor to.
Title: Re: Helix software?
Post by: KAD on March 03, 2023, 03:22:39 PM
Thanks guys, still trying to decide between regular and wide screen. I am finding some Helex software out there , that's why I asked. KAD
Title: Re: Helix software?
Post by: jakah440 on March 03, 2023, 03:40:02 PM
Thanks guys, still trying to decide between regular and wide screen. I am finding some Helex software out there , that's why I asked. KAD
I would say if you are going to run newer games I would get the WS. I have a regular which was a good place to start but i'm looking for a WS now. The regular with the WS carrier board does play a lot of them but i believe to play the lightning Link games you need the LCD buttons and i haven't seen a good way to incorporate the LCD buttons into that cabinet.

Title: Re: Helix software?
Post by: hemiroid on March 03, 2023, 05:03:59 PM
i believe to play the lightning Link games you need the LCD buttons and i haven't seen a good way to incorporate the LCD buttons into that cabinet.

I can play LL games on my WS Viridian with a green board and standard button panel no problem...
I do prefer LL on my dynamic button panel WS cabinet...
Title: Re: Helix software?
Post by: jakah440 on March 03, 2023, 08:41:03 PM
i believe to play the lightning Link games you need the LCD buttons and i haven't seen a good way to incorporate the LCD buttons into that cabinet.

I can play LL games on my WS Viridian with a green board and standard button panel no problem...
I do prefer LL on my dynamic button panel WS cabinet...
What game  number is the ll?
Title: Re: Helix software?
Post by: hemiroid on March 04, 2023, 12:10:38 AM
What game  number is the ll?

Any LL that I have tried...
...I had 5 different titles and knew people that had titles I didn't.
I've had success with most all the CFast card software that I personally converted to CF card to run in my MK7. You're results may vary.
All I have ever owned were WS cabinets...

Title: Re: Helix software?
Post by: The laneman on March 04, 2023, 09:10:48 AM
What game  number is the ll?

Any LL that I have tried...
...I had 5 different titles and knew people that had titles I didn't.
I've had success with most all the CFast card software that I personally converted to CF card to run in my MK7. You're results may vary.
All I have ever owned were WS cabinets...

I agree with all the above.All the LL I have tried in a WS machine worked.
Most LL will work in a narrow machine also with a WS carrier board with the exception of titles with the 4.00.C OS.That one will give you a error of "needs a second screen".
The games look much better in a WS machine.
Title: Re: Helix software?
Post by: jakah440 on March 04, 2023, 09:24:25 AM
Thank you all for the responses. I’ll give it a try. I looked at the PAR sheet and it said LCD required so I didn’t even try. I’ll load it up today and see!
Again thank you! Justin
Title: Re: Helix software?
Post by: idesign on March 04, 2023, 09:29:42 AM
Thank you all for the responses. I’ll give it a try. I looked at the PAR sheet and it said LCD required so I didn’t even try. I’ll load it up today and see!
Again thank you! Justin

So what machine did you get?
Title: Re: Helix software?
Post by: jakah440 on March 04, 2023, 10:06:05 AM
I have a regular Viridian with a red carrier board and have installed a Hi-res widescreen monitor in the top. Also installed a CFast card reader in it. I want to find a WS cabinet so it's a little less Frankenstein-ish.  :rotfl:
Title: Re: Helix software?
Post by: jakah440 on March 04, 2023, 10:43:25 AM
Well I guess never fully trust the PAR sheets and what it says.  :banghead: Installed and it works! It does have the 4.00.C OS.

Pictures attached.
Thanks all!
Title: Re: Helix software?
Post by: The laneman on March 04, 2023, 10:47:43 AM
That version works because you have a widescreen monitor on top.If it was a narrow top screen it would come up with the needs two monitor error.

The way your machine is,thats the best you can do till you find a WS machine.I did the same till I found my WS.
Title: Re: Helix software?
Post by: jakah440 on March 04, 2023, 11:07:13 AM
That version works because you have a widescreen monitor on top.If it was a narrow top screen it would come up with the needs two monitor error.

The way your machine is,thats the best you can do till you find a WS machine.I did the same till I found my WS.

Thanks Rich. I'll keep looking!

Justin
Title: Re: Helix software?
Post by: hemiroid on March 04, 2023, 11:31:17 AM
Also installed a CFast card reader in it.

Care to school me on how you installed a CFast card reader in your MK7?
I had no clue that was possible...
Title: Re: Helix software?
Post by: The laneman on March 04, 2023, 12:17:27 PM
I think he meant to say the sata to cfast adapter.
Title: Re: Helix software?
Post by: hemiroid on March 04, 2023, 12:37:53 PM
I think he meant to say the sata to cfast adapter.

???
I had no clue that was possible?
Does that allow a CFast card to plug into a MK7 carrier board somehow?
All I see is a USB slot in the front of the logic box on the carrier board???
Title: Re: Helix software?
Post by: jakah440 on March 04, 2023, 01:13:30 PM
I think he meant to say the sata to cfast adapter.

???
I had no clue that was possible?
Does that allow a CFast card to plug into a MK7 carrier board somehow?
All I see is a USB slot in the front of the logic box on the carrier board???

I'll send some pictures of how I did it. I used a CFAST to SATA reader and made a cable to power it  Yes it's great as you no longer have to convert!!
Title: Re: Helix software?
Post by: The laneman on March 04, 2023, 01:14:56 PM
Here what it looks like.
You can use a adapter or a SSD
The SSD runs a little slower though.

jakah440 mounted his,which is nicer.I set mine just on top of the carrier box.

Title: Re: Helix software?
Post by: jakah440 on March 04, 2023, 01:19:18 PM
I think he meant to say the sata to cfast adapter.

???
I had no clue that was possible?
Does that allow a CFast card to plug into a MK7 carrier board somehow?
All I see is a USB slot in the front of the logic box on the carrier board???



I'll send some pictures of how I did it. I used a CFAST to SATA reader and made a cable to power it  Yes it's great as you no longer have to convert!!
Title: Re: Helix software?
Post by: The laneman on March 04, 2023, 01:44:29 PM
One thing I want to point out.
If you use the adapter with a CFast 3ME4 card (which most of the newer software is on) the machine wont see the card.You need to put it on a CFastME card.
Title: Re: Helix software?
Post by: jakah440 on March 04, 2023, 02:09:45 PM
One thing I want to point out.
If you use the adapter with a CFast 3ME4 card (which most of the newer software is on) the machine wont see the card.You need to put it on a CFastME card.

Great info!
Title: Re: Helix software?
Post by: hemiroid on March 04, 2023, 02:23:59 PM
If you use the adapter with a CFast 3ME4 card (which most of the newer software is on) the machine wont see the card.You need to put it on a CFastME card.

So I could end up back where I am now still having to convert to make it work...
Maybe not worth it to change now?

I like how you guys are thinking!
That's a slick idea...

I never realized that is how a hard drive connected to a MK7.
I had seen games on hard drives in the past but had no clue how they were used...
Title: Re: Helix software?
Post by: The laneman on March 04, 2023, 02:28:32 PM
The advantage of CFast over cf is they are faster.The machine boots faster with the CFast.

To run a factory Aristocrat program that’s on a ssd you need to makes changes to the chips in U2 and U3.You remove the bios chip because the bios is on the ssd drive.

Hopefully Chad from the facebook nlg group is taking notes.  😀
Title: Re: Helix software?
Post by: hemiroid on March 04, 2023, 02:44:49 PM
HAHA, HAHAHA...  :rotfl:
Title: Re: Helix software?
Post by: jakah440 on March 04, 2023, 03:00:58 PM
HAHA, HAHAHA...  :rotfl:
Yup!  :rotfl:
Title: Re: Helix software?
Post by: jakah440 on March 05, 2023, 09:35:29 AM

I'll add that some require specific hardware such as a dynamic button panel or a monitor that needs to be able to hit some of the higher resolutions of a wide screen.

Justin

What game have you found that requires a higher res Wide Screen?  I never had an issue with screen res on a WS with any Helix  or Helix + game. I was even able to play Buffalo Gold Revolution, a Gen9 MarsX game, on mine after I added a USB touch controller. 

What USB touch controller did you use for this conversion?

Also, the OLED deck is a must but most of the WS Viridians come with them.
Title: Re: Helix software?
Post by: idesign on March 05, 2023, 10:25:49 AM
Micro-touch USB controller with the USB cable.  It's a straight forward conversion.  Just disconnect the serial controller and add the USB version along with the cable plugged into a USB port on the backplane.  I still have an extra one if you need it.
Title: Re: Helix software?
Post by: jakah440 on March 05, 2023, 10:45:38 AM
PM sent
Title: Re: Helix software?
Post by: hemiroid on March 05, 2023, 12:26:56 PM
Just for future reference...
This is the USB controller I put in mine. Got it off eBay.
https://www.ceronix.com/product/cpm2484/ (https://www.ceronix.com/product/cpm2484/)

I think I got the USB cable from Ceronix but you can also make your own...
It was like $5 but cost $10 to ship...  :24:
https://www.ceronix.com/product/cps1980/ (https://www.ceronix.com/product/cps1980/)

I failed to get Buffalo Revolutions to load. I was told it required a USB touch.
I swapped out my controller and Revolutions loaded just fine...
I ran Revolution in my cabinet with a static button panel.
I was told Revolutions was a Gen9 game?

I have Walking Dead 3 but haven't tried it yet.
It is a EdgeX game that requires a certain resolution [4K] 32" monitor, virtual button deck and Vertex controller if I understand correct...

Title: Re: Helix software?
Post by: jakah440 on March 05, 2023, 06:52:28 PM
Just for future reference...
This is the USB controller I put in mine. Got it off eBay.
https://www.ceronix.com/product/cpm2484/ (https://www.ceronix.com/product/cpm2484/)

I think I got the USB cable from Ceronix but you can also make your own...
It was like $5 but cost $10 to ship...  :24:
https://www.ceronix.com/product/cps1980/ (https://www.ceronix.com/product/cps1980/)

I failed to get Buffalo Revolutions to load. I was told it required a USB touch.
I swapped out my controller and Revolutions loaded just fine...

Would it be possible to have you take a picture of the Molex end of that cable. Ceronix now wants 24.95 to ship that 5.00 cable.  I think i would like to make one instead!!

Thanks, Justin
I ran Revolution in my cabinet with a static button panel.
I was told Revolutions was a Gen9 game?

I have Walking Dead 3 but haven't tried it yet.
It is a EdgeX game that requires a certain resolution [4K] 32" monitor, virtual button deck and Vertex controller if I understand correct...
Title: Re: Helix software?
Post by: hemiroid on March 05, 2023, 07:42:28 PM
If you call them they will adjust shipping to around $10...
...their website can't handle tiny items.
Title: Re: Helix software?
Post by: jakah440 on March 05, 2023, 07:58:18 PM
If you call them they will adjust shipping to around $10...
...their website can't handle tiny items.

Ok thanks!!

Is that red, white,green,black,black?
Title: Re: Helix software?
Post by: hemiroid on March 05, 2023, 08:16:42 PM
Is that red, white,green,black,black?

red, white, green, black, gray
Title: Re: Helix software?
Post by: jakah440 on March 05, 2023, 08:25:26 PM
Excellent thank you!
Title: Re: Helix software?
Post by: Nik_booyahh on July 07, 2023, 02:06:26 PM
i believe to play the lightning Link games you need the LCD buttons and i haven't seen a good way to incorporate the LCD buttons into that cabinet.

I can play LL games on my WS Viridian with a green board and standard button panel no problem...
I do prefer LL on my dynamic button panel WS cabinet...

LL games or LC games?

I purchased 5 LL games for helix a while ago with the intent of changing to cf and using in my varidian, however was told shortly after by 'techs' that LL games will not work standalone. So they have been sitting in a draw going to waste
Title: Re: Helix software?
Post by: The laneman on July 07, 2023, 02:12:00 PM
If they aren’t connected to a vertex controller they will be Lightning Cash instead of Lightning Link.

Do you have a list of what software you have?
Title: Re: Helix software?
Post by: Nik_booyahh on July 07, 2023, 02:29:16 PM
Iv been told that's the case if the game says LL/LC. Mine only say L/L. See photo
Title: Re: Helix software?
Post by: idesign on July 07, 2023, 02:51:30 PM
Those games will play as LC but they are Australia games and need the controller to make them work
Title: Re: Helix software?
Post by: The laneman on July 07, 2023, 02:55:31 PM
Idesign is correct about them being Australia software.

World base like in my picture will play on standalone (no vertex controller needed)

Are you from Australia?
Title: Re: Helix software?
Post by: Heihachi_73 on July 07, 2023, 03:21:25 PM
NSW has separate software for Lighting Link and Lightning Cash e.g. Bengal Treasures LL (NSW) is 10163521 whereas Bengal Treasures LC is 10163522. Or 1.01-63521 etc. if you're used to seeing the dots and dashes.
Title: Re: Helix software?
Post by: Nik_booyahh on July 07, 2023, 03:29:46 PM
I am located in Australia. The games I have are NSW based software.
So all in all, my games can't be played standalone? 🥲
Title: Re: Helix software?
Post by: The laneman on July 07, 2023, 03:32:26 PM
I forgot NSW does have different ones for Link and Cash unlike World base.

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