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**Reel Slots** Gaming Machines => IGT S2000 and Vision Games => Topic started by: therockinelvis on December 23, 2014, 12:50:26 PM
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Feel like I should know this but getting a blank. First off I have a Frankenstein. Went from D.D. Run to Slingo. I took a 5 reel vision and changed it to a 3 reel and changed the button deck for a 3 reel set up. Game was not complete when I got it. I had to do a clear to get the reset key switch to work. Turning the key did nothing until after the clear. Then got the usual messages close door yadda yadda. Starts booting gets to waiting for the video display and takes a while before the msverify comm error instead of msverify app start. So no maiden reel spin. Are I/O cards specific for 3 reel or 5 reel? I did not replace them. The vision monitor is not working but I think game will play without monitor. The only other thing is the wba run's unusually long with different noises than normal.
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I could be wrong but I thought msverify was the "handshake" between the MPU and the top box software on vision and reel touch games. If that's true then the top box cpu would need to be working
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very possible. I'll have to pull a working monitor to try.
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I thought of that because I've never seen that msverify pop up except on those type games
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Installed a working monitor and it showed initializing but did not go through any of the dots for rfa, ata, and bgm files. Then came the original msverify comm error, I noticed that the backplane is a 960 mother board. All my other Visions have a 960 stepper/video mother board. This machine was a 5 reel Vision to begin with and I changed it to 3 reel.
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It's been awhile but I recall having the same problem some time ago and I had to change the door I/O card out to the standard 3 reel standard button deck type. The 5 reel button deck type didn't work in a 3 reel for me.
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Usually I found the "msverify app start" displayed when BOTH the top box and machine had compatiable cards and software. In other words, you only get the "msverify comm error" when something's not right. Idesign may have pointed out correctly about using the 3-reel I/O cards rather than the 5-reel ones.
I'm not nearby my S2000 to swap different I/O's to verify that but it's certainly worth a try and won't hurt.
Cowboy is right about the "handshake" meaning everything needing to be working in order to get it working correctly - the machine may be "sensing" wrong I/O boards....or something else.
If you can post software that's presently installed, maybe we can try to verify if you're using the correct software for the game?
I'd like to add that there are some Vision videos I posted on youtube under Statouttadabunker showing some boot up errors for that platform that may help you? There is also a video of a Vision booting up correctly that may help help as well...that particular one showed how long each sequence took during the boot up of a popular Vision game.
I will try to post a link to it if you cant find it.
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Thanks Bunker. The chips, and data card work in another machine. I was able to figure out from my other machines to do away with the New Jersey version chip as it makes the machine take up to 9 minutes to boot. Most of my visions boot in 90 seconds to 120 seconds. It is supposed to come up msverify app start then reel spin and wait. Will try the I/O cards and check out your video's.
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haha! Found an old video I did hooking up a keyboard to the Vision topbox computer a few Thanksgivings ago...>>> http://youtu.be/f1v5ITvglHk (http://youtu.be/f1v5ITvglHk)
It was fun getting into the IGT Vision computer but I don't know how to use old dos commands...Lol
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Great video. Is that with the JP1 jumped? Listening to your accent, I could not put a place to it. Glad to meet you here.
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Yes! :yes: ...also connected to the old keyboard jack on the circuit board! :propeller:
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Having trouble finding JP1. See several others. Can you point it out for me?
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Elvis
Is this the JP1 you are asking about ?
http://newlifegames.net/nlg/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=15979.0;attach=42870 (http://newlifegames.net/nlg/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=15979.0;attach=42870)
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Yes that is it. Next to the memory sticks and invertor. Thanks
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Great video. Is that with the JP1 jumped? Listening to your accent, I could not put a place to it. Glad to meet you here.
Yeah...it's called the hard-of-hearing accent...Lol
Had bad ears since I was a kid...I kept hearing words differently from others I guess. :arrowthruhead:
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Now that you tell me, I have a friend with the same hearing loss. I was guessing a German accent.
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OK, Guy's and Gal's. I'm waiting on a monitor, so I decided to get it up and running to get through the codes. Installed a regular triple cash SB with 363 mains. Everything was working great except I had no sound. Went into menu, checked all the wiring, changed the amp. Nothing! Then I decide to put a dead monitor in it and plugged in all cables. Bang sound. So in order to make a vision a regular S2000 you have to change the top cabinet wiring or at least have it plugged in.
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Well, that's because the vision gets its sound from the top box monitor and the standard S2000 does not. So for S2000 conversion from vision you disconnect the top box cables since the monitor is literally dumb at that point and plug the sound system directly in the machine.
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I would check to make shore the wire harness with gray wires is connected to the lower power supply. I think the ribbon cable has to be plugged in to.
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OK, I checked all the harnesses and found the 3 grey wire harness not connected to the WAP. I plugged it in and still MSVERIFY COMM ERROR. Since it came from the casino unplugged maybe something is wrong with wap/ez pay. How do you check it? I see a red light on it but none of my machines has is lit.
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I don't know of any way to test it but, if you have a regular s2000 with no bonus game, I would swap them out as they don't require it, unless you are using titto or have a bonus game, just to rule it out. You might also try a netplex auto config if you can get into the operator menu or a clear.
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Thanks Brian. It was a 5 reel missing the monitor as a D.D. Run. I changed the reel tray, button deck etc. to 3 reel, I/O cards and so on. Everything works in another machine so I guess its time to trade that WAP and see what happens. I did put regular chips in it and it plays as a S2000 but not a vision.
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When you changed from 5 reels to 3 reels, did you also change the harness from 5 reel to 3 reel.
You don't need to change the harness from 5 reel to a 3 reel, but you do need to put jumper plugs in the last 2 reel spots if you leave the 5 reel harness in.
Don't know if this is part of your problem, but thought i would try and rule another possible issue out for you.
E~
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yes tray and harness. Got to be that WAP unit.
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When you switched from 5 to 3 reel did you put the 2 pin jumper on the harness behind the hopper?
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I used a 3 reel harness. What jumper pin behind the hopper? Please explain. I've heard of using a jumper for the 4th and 5th reel harness.
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This one, it should be bundled just above the power dist board
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OK this last bit was just plain dumbness. When I found the 3 grey wire plug not connected, I ran a continuity check back to where it plugs into the monitor. All was good. I plugged the wire into the WAP unit, but forgot the monitor. What a difference 1 plug makes. Working like a charm now. Thanks to everyone for the help.
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It's always the little things that kick our ass, lol
Like that midget gal in Vegas back in '89...
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It goes to show, that no matter how much you think you know. Something is going to fool you every now and then.
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:rotfl: Glad you figured it out!
One time I was checking fuses wondering why I had no power?
Works a lot better when the machine is plugged into the wall socket! :banghead:
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This Slingo game must not have a lot of info. to process. 95 seconds from turning on to ready to play. Just like Munsters. When I got my first Pink Panther it took 7 min. 45 seconds to boot. Changed NJ version chip ti NV chip and now 2 min. 15 seconds to boot. I love these visions with the bonus play.
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haha! Found an old video I did hooking up a keyboard to the Vision topbox computer a few Thanksgivings ago...>>> [url]http://youtu.be/f1v5ITvglHk[/url] ([url]http://youtu.be/f1v5ITvglHk[/url])
It was fun getting into the IGT Vision computer but I don't know how to use old dos commands...Lol
Do you happen to still have the pinouts for connecting the keyboard to vision LCD. I tried to look on the old site. I can't even find the search button there. Not sure if I needed to have a logon for the old site or not. Thanks!
Ian
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Ian, copy that quote and PM bunker. He might have unsubscribed to this thread
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"...hooking up a keyboard to the Vision topbox computer..."
OMG...it's been 6 years since I did that...I'll take a look around. :sherlock:
Okay update...>>> I cannot find that keyboard laying around.
I know I threw out a bunch of keyboards during the summer so it may have been trashed.
Presently searching through some of my Vision platform notes.
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Thanks for taking a look around. Let me know if you come up with anything.
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Okay...the moderator of the Vision section here should move this to a new topic maybe starting from Reply #32?
I need to ask whether or not the keyboard you want to use Ian, has the 5-pin or 6-pin connector end?
I attached a couple of pictures below...>>>
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It's the 6 pin.
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okay, I looked through my notes but couldn't find a whole lot more so I feel like I'm starting from scratch again...haha!
Basically 4 wires are needed to communicate with the topbox computer via your keyboard.
What we need now is the layout schematic drawing of the topbox computer circuit board...I had it once, gotta find it for ya.
Here's a picture that I had saved for the pin outs of the 6-pin DIN plug...>>>
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4 of your wires from the keyboard are going to go to 4 of the 5 pins on the topbox computer.
I remember making a 5-pin harness by cutting off the DIN plug on the keyboard and soldering 4 pins to the keyboard wiring but noting beforehand which colors went to which DIN pin first.
Which ones on the circuit board?...I don't know yet because I need a schematic of the circuit board....still looking.
I have a drawing somewhere...lol
One thing for sure, a multimeter will tell you which one of the 5 pins on the circuit board is shooting out 5+ volts.
Also, if you flip the board over, you'll be able to tell which pin is the one for common circuitry ground (-).
You'll know you'll have power when these two are connected - the keyboard's "Number Lock" LED will light up.
As far as the key data and the clock wires, those ones will be 2 of the remaining eight board pins for them. UGH
Here's a photo I took of my topbox circuit board with the cover off.
You can see in the smaller rectangle box that IGT etched "KBD/MS" onto the circuit board...>>>
(Click on photo to enlarge if needed.)
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Aren't there 2 rows of 5 pins? I'm at work right now so it's not in front of me. I'll chime back in later when I get home. Plus, all these customer's keep interrupting! :24:
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yes...there is. My arrows I drew could only show you 5...lol
Anyways, I took my topbox out of storage and found that I left my connector I made 6 years ago still on it!
I had only used the 2 top and 2 bottom leftmost pins to hook it up to the keyboard.
I used 4 wires from a ribbon cable going into a 10-pin black plastic housing.
Now what I mean by "leftmost pins" is the 4 pins closest to the "AUX" and "VGA" header connections.
I used 2 on the top row and 2 on the bottom row.
It's too bad I had never marked anything on the ribbon cable I made.
I think I had this used as a short extension to run out a different hole of the topbox unit so I could plug my keyboard into it.
When you close the topbox computer unit into the holding bracket, the holes for the plugs got blocked.
So I must of ran it a different way to clear the LCD holding bracket.
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yep...I did! Haha!
First picture shows the little extension I made going from the board to the back of the cover...I had made a hole in the cover to fit my plastic 4-pin housing.
The second picture shows the housing exiting the back of the topbox LCD unit cover.
That's where I plugged my keyboard into when I played with it.
It's too bad I didn't put a male DIN pin header there!!!! UGH!
We would of found out which pins was which!
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That's awesome! Well, I can at least find positive and negative, then I'm down to 2 wires. Shouldn't be too bad.
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My S2000 is stored away right now, wish I had it up and going.
I'd multimeter some pins for ya and find out! :yes:
Maybe some hearty soul can stick a multimeter in that header and see what's what on those 1st four pins? :Tongue_Out:
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You actually don't need the machine to boot up the vision LCD. A standard PC power supply will suffice. Just plug the old school IDE power connector in as seen in the pic. You have to jump the two connection on the power supply main harness to turn it on as seen in the second pic. I'll be playing around with it and keep you in the loop. This is an extra screen with some damage on the LCD so no lost play time on any of my visions.
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Oh yeah...I actually did that before to power up something.
The jumper cable acts like as if a switch is "ON".
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OK Guy's, I'm following this and don't understand what good a keyboard is. I have been under the idea that everything comes from the data card. Are you able to change the card like this? Add extra files or what?
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Well that's just it, my friend. I can't know until I get in. Based on the fact that it's simply a Windows 95 (and DOS) operating system, I can change a lot. I just want to get in there and play. See what I can/cannot do.
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I got it running....checking the 4 pin-outs on the LCD computer for the keyboard as we type...
Made a little video just now...lol
https://youtu.be/H2S8DuTBtgg
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I think that I like you, Bunker! You dive right into a challenge. It's not always why but, what if...
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Okay...making progress...
I get 5vdc out of the top 2 pins on the left side of the header from the LCD computer!
My multimeter shows the 1st top leftmost pin as 5vdc while the pin next to it is the ground. (-)
That means the bottom 2 pins on the leftmost side (closest to the AUX header) of that "KBD" header is for the keyboards' key data & clock!
Only old keyboard I have on hand is an old USB keyboard.
I gotta hack a USB keyboard plug now... :24:
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You also get 5v from the top and bottom in the second column. If you look at this pic it seems to follow + and - being in the second column. However, mine did not work either way. Getting late....work tomorrow.
I know that the pic is a 5 pin but I cross referenced the wires to make sure they were the same.
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I agree...but at least we know it's some sort of a combo with those 4 pins....well, 3 really.
I'm guessing the 2nd pin on the bottom row is the 5v +data pin.
The 1st pin on the bottom row might be the clock pin (-data pin) ?
I'm sure we'll find out soon enough.
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OK Guy's, I'm following this and don't understand what good a keyboard is. I have been under the idea that everything comes from the data card. Are you able to change the card like this? Add extra files or what?
Technically, you could change the card on your PC. For instance, maybe if you loaded a .bmp file of similar size where one of the "good luck" .bmp files were, it could possibly show up instead. I haven't tried it but in theory it seems like it would work. Just playing around while waiting for parts for my other project...
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"Technically, you could change the card on your PC. For instance, maybe if you loaded a .bmp file of similar size where one of the "good luck" .bmp files were, it could possibly show up instead. I haven't tried it but in theory it seems like it would work. Just playing around while waiting for parts for my other project..."
Ohh! That's what you wanted to do?
I once changed the .snd files for the cash-out sound file of an ATA San Disk card to a
similar sized cropped .mpeg file of the Beverly Hillbillies theme ending sound "Y'all Come Back Now!" :rotfl:
As I recall, all I did was change the file name from .mpeg to .snd or whatever IGT is naming their Vision sound files.
It's been a while since I've changed one....lol
Luckily I still had a computer that could read those old ATA photo memory cards and
changed various sound files at random.
I had never really thought of changing the .bmp files tho? Awessome!! :cool_thumb_up:
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That was just an example of what could be done in order to answer Jim's question. Getting into the operating system I was more thinking of creating a custom boot load screen and audio file. It would play every time the LCD boots. I saw a version of it on youtube and my brain went to churning....
No luck on the keyboard tonight. My wife just had surgery so I'm off to care for her. Then it's bed for me. Let me know if you come up with anything.
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Tried again tonight....no luck :banghead:
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Yeah...need schematics of that Vision LCD circuit board...I'm pulling mine out when I get a chance...try to trace the traces from the pins back onto the circuit board.
I'm really wishing I kept notes on this...lol
Upon pulling out board, this is what I have....>>>
Made by RadiSys in 1999.
Etched on the bottom of the circuit board are the numbers: MCB 60-0329-05 but
there is a sticker on top that has numbers: 61-0753-50 MCB
The 10-pin KBD/MS header at location [H7]
The nearby "AUX" header is located [H6] and next to that is the "VGA" header is located at [H5]
We know "KBD/MS" is abbreviated for Keyboard/Mouse".
We only know that my extension ribbon cable for the keyboard that I left on it from six years ago used only pins 7, 8, 9, 10.
I am certain that pin 10 closest to the edge of the circuit board is the ground (-) pin.
Pins 7, 8, and 9 put out 5vdc when paired up with pin 10.
All four pins have a board trace going to some sort of a small IC component on the top side of the circuit board.
On the bottom side of the circuit board, only pins 7, 8, and 9 have a small trace running from them.
Only pin 10 doesn't have any trace on the bottom side - that's why I think it's the ground pin (-) ?
I am also certain that a mouse can be connected to some or all of the other
remaining six pins somewhere from pins 1-6 but I've NEVER seen anyone do it.
So basically, to try to hook up the keyboard, we're left with three pins: 7, 8, and 9 for the DATA, CLOCK, and VCC.
That's about 24 different pin combinations? I'm on it!! :arrowthruhead:
I did it before, and I'll do it again! haha!
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No luck...I tried all 24 combos....took almost two hours! :hissyfit:
I'm trying a UBS keyboard.
All I get is the three LED's to light up (NUM lock, Caps lock, Scroll lock) but
the keyboard won't respond when pressing the [F2] key to enter setup.
I may have to find an older DIN version? I don't know... :Scratch-Head:
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That was me last night! :banghead: I wonder what we're doing wrong????
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That was me last night! :banghead: I wonder what we're doing wrong? ???
I don't know but if it means anything, last time I did this, the LCD was in the machine connected up to the rest of it.
I'll stop by an old computer repair shop tomorrow morning and
see if they have any old keyboards they're throwing out.
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My buddy at work thinks he has an old 5 pin in his garage. We'll see how that goes.
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Good luck! Here's my notes of what I tried the other night.
I was dealing with four wires coming out of my keyboard which were colored Blue, White, Orange, and Green.
I did 24 wire combos in alphabetical order with n=number lock, c=Caps lock, s=Scroll lock lights for led lights being "ON".
I used a dash "-" to indicate which of the three lights did NOT light up.
As you can see below, only two wire combinations lit up the LED lights on my keyboard.
I noted also that BGWO and BOWG were on header pins 8, 10, 7, and 9...>>>
BGOW ---, BGWO ncs, BOGW ---, BOWG ncs, BWGO ---, BWOG ---,
GBOW ---, GBWO ---, GOBW ---, GWBO ---, GOWB ---, GWOB ---,
OBGW ---, OBWG ---, OGBW ---, OGWG ---, OWBG ---, OWGB ---,
WBGO ---, WBOG ---, WGBO ---, WGOB ---, WOBG ---, WOGB ---,
Excuse my disorder! :rotfl:
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I want to chime in just to make sure I see all of these posts. O the possibilities. Find a way to get some Elvis on my machine and I can die happy.
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I am searching now for a 5 pin DIN/AT keyboard (the old school kind with the big plug). I'm not why it would make a difference but the old posts all seem to use that keyboard. The crazy thing is that on ebay they are going for $25 and up :Scratch-Head: . I'm not going to pay that....ever. Once I find one I will try again. Thrift stores...computer shops...I'm on a mission. If I can put a pic of Elvis in where it's supposed to say "Good Luck", "Win!", etc... that would be cool. Maybe even a "thank you very much" when you insert cash! :applause: The possibilities are endless!