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Author Topic: Detailed Restoration of a Bally 1090  (Read 87474 times)

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Re: Detailed Restoration of a Bally 1090
« Reply #200 on: July 15, 2018, 10:41:17 AM »
Air cylinders are my first thing in these old machines. The rubber cup seal turns to a sticky tar. I just remove the old seal and clean up the mess it makes, then I apply a very thin amount grease on the steel piston and assemble. Do not use a large amount of grease or you will have a mess inside the machine as it squirts out of the air hole on the back of the air cylinder. Learned that the hard way.

Air cylinder grease/seal question.  Seems I have this exact problem.  Machine I recently obtained (mechanically sound and seemed well maintained) ran well for a few thousand coins, then handle got 'sticky' on the return.  Black sticky mess at the piston/cylinder
- Is using the wrong kind of grease at fault for the seal failing?
- What kind of grease should be used?  (Ordinary bearing grease?)
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Re: Detailed Restoration of a Bally 1090
« Reply #201 on: July 15, 2018, 11:28:18 AM »
You don’t want a thick sticky grease. I like to use the blue grease that’s used for trailers and other wheel bearing that go into water. DO NOT use a lot of grease inside the cylinder. A very thin amount is more then enough. Just remove what’s left of the cup seal and clean up the black sticky goo. The cup seal is not needed.
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Re: Detailed Restoration of a Bally 1090
« Reply #202 on: July 15, 2018, 12:04:00 PM »
Thanks!  Good way to clean the goo from inside the cylinder?  Used GoofOff for the piston (and was still a chore) but am afraid that would be too harsh for the plastic cylinder.  Do you know what kind of plastic that is?

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Re: Detailed Restoration of a Bally 1090
« Reply #203 on: July 15, 2018, 01:41:58 PM »
Thanks!  Good way to clean the goo from inside the cylinder?  Used GoofOff for the piston (and was still a chore) but am afraid that would be too harsh for the plastic cylinder.  Do you know what kind of plastic that is?


Be careful cleaning the cylinder, I got grease shooting everywhere by accident.


Bally Model: V5500 25¢1995
Bally 3 reel model: 1114 $1.00 3 coin multiplier, 1977
Bally 3 reel Model: 1090-29, 25¢, 3 coin multiplier, 1979
Bally 3 reel model: 809-ZZN, 5¢ Mint Hotel and Casino,  5 coin multiplier, 1970
Bally 3 reel Model: 831-4Z 25¢ Frontier Hotel and casino, 3 coin multiplayer,1975
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Re: Detailed Restoration of a Bally 1090
« Reply #204 on: July 15, 2018, 05:20:56 PM »
I soaked mine is gasoline.
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Re: Detailed Restoration of a Bally 1090
« Reply #205 on: July 15, 2018, 07:33:22 PM »
I soaked mine is gasoline.


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Just my opinion:


With my parts being so old, and not knowing what would happen if I put any type of cleaner on them, I cleaned all of the plastic by hand.
It would be difficult to source some of the plastic parts if they melted. Better safe than sorry.


Also, the slot machine that I restored is running EXCELLENT.
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Bally Model: V5500 25¢1995
Bally 3 reel model: 1114 $1.00 3 coin multiplier, 1977
Bally 3 reel Model: 1090-29, 25¢, 3 coin multiplier, 1979
Bally 3 reel model: 809-ZZN, 5¢ Mint Hotel and Casino,  5 coin multiplier, 1970
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Re: Detailed Restoration of a Bally 1090
« Reply #206 on: July 15, 2018, 07:59:31 PM »
I have found the rubbing alcohol works great for cleaning the air cylinders and pistons. A lot of paper towel and a pair of gloves come in handy to keep your hands clean. I’ve also used acetone solvent.
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Re: Detailed Restoration of a Bally 1090
« Reply #207 on: July 16, 2018, 07:56:30 PM »
3M makes a citrus-based adhesive remover that worked awesome!  Rinsed immediately in case it is corrosive to the metal or plastic.  Think I DO need the seal tho, too much blow by, serves no purpose now.


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Re: Detailed Restoration of a Bally 1090
« Reply #208 on: July 16, 2018, 08:25:52 PM »
3M makes a citrus-based adhesive remover that worked awesome!  Rinsed immediately in case it is corrosive to the metal or plastic.  Think I DO need the seal tho, too much blow by, serves no purpose now.


The seal is obsolete, I looked everywhere for a replacement with no such luck. :(
Bally Model: V5500 25¢1995
Bally 3 reel model: 1114 $1.00 3 coin multiplier, 1977
Bally 3 reel Model: 1090-29, 25¢, 3 coin multiplier, 1979
Bally 3 reel model: 809-ZZN, 5¢ Mint Hotel and Casino,  5 coin multiplier, 1970
Bally 3 reel Model: 831-4Z 25¢ Frontier Hotel and casino, 3 coin multiplayer,1975
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Re: Detailed Restoration of a Bally 1090
« Reply #209 on: July 16, 2018, 08:47:55 PM »
3M makes a citrus-based adhesive remover that worked awesome!  Rinsed immediately in case it is corrosive to the metal or plastic.  Think I DO need the seal tho, too much blow by, serves no purpose now.


The seal is obsolete, I looked everywhere for a replacement with no such luck. :(




I had found one that is close.  The ID is smaller and needs to be cut. Works OK but, not like the original. The only purpose of the seal is to keep the handle from slamming back into position. If you keep your hand on the handle during return it's not that much of an issue.


 Best just to clean it and lube it.


 I have thought that the next game I may try putting the piston on the lathe and cut a groove for an O-ring or two.  :Scratch-Head:

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Re: Detailed Restoration of a Bally 1090
« Reply #210 on: July 16, 2018, 08:48:16 PM »
People have bought wheel cylinder cup seals and then had to cut the center out. In my opinion they are not needed. I just hold onto the handle till it’s back into the starting position.
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Re: Detailed Restoration of a Bally 1090
« Reply #211 on: July 16, 2018, 11:10:08 PM »

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Bally Model: V5500 25¢1995
Bally 3 reel model: 1114 $1.00 3 coin multiplier, 1977
Bally 3 reel Model: 1090-29, 25¢, 3 coin multiplier, 1979
Bally 3 reel model: 809-ZZN, 5¢ Mint Hotel and Casino,  5 coin multiplier, 1970
Bally 3 reel Model: 831-4Z 25¢ Frontier Hotel and casino, 3 coin multiplayer,1975
Rowe Jukebox Model: CD-100 Year: March 1990
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