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Re: Asking for more help please...
« Reply #20 on: January 09, 2023, 10:51:25 PM »
The candle is crushed and broken and the top glass is cracked. Seems like the PO dropped it at one point or something else crashed into it. I have been debating on at least getting a candle on it so i can see if that will give me any clues.

Disconnect that candle in the topbox....there will be a white 4-pin Molex connector up in there with 3 wires (Red, Black, and Yellow).
It might have a dead short and the reason why your fuse blew.

Also, is your reel glass display connected?
There's two black plastic harness connectors...one sort of right of the coin comparitor, the other towards the door hinge end.
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Re: Asking for more help please...
« Reply #21 on: January 09, 2023, 11:03:10 PM »
The candle is crushed and broken and the top glass is cracked. Seems like the PO dropped it at one point or something else crashed into it. I have been debating on at least getting a candle on it so i can see if that will give me any clues.

Disconnect that candle in the topbox....there will be a white 4-pin Molex connector up in there with 3 wires (Red, Black, and Yellow).
It might have a dead short and the reason why your fuse blew.

Also, is your reel glass display connected?
There's two black plastic harness connectors...one sort of right of the coin comparitor, the other towards the door hinge end.

Yes i disconnected candle when i first started initially started working on it. I will have to check display connections again, but i feel i went through all of them before to ensure nothing obvious.

I have new door optics on order just in case its that, but even if those were not sensing door being closed the display should still light up right?
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Re: Asking for more help please...
« Reply #22 on: January 10, 2023, 12:05:11 AM »
You know...why not borrow the door optics from the slant for now and see they light up the display?
You have known good parts on that other machine to try to get this one working to narrow down and pinpoint the problem.
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Re: Asking for more help please...
« Reply #23 on: January 10, 2023, 12:30:58 AM »
You know...why not borrow the door optics from the slant for now and see they light up the display?
You have known good parts on that other machine to try to get this one working to narrow down and pinpoint the problem.
Yeah thought about it. Hate to screw up alignment of a good machine. But I’ll
Probably do that.

But if the board is good what’s stopping booting on machine? Puzzling
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Re: Asking for more help please...
« Reply #24 on: January 10, 2023, 04:32:41 PM »
Trying everything to figure out why machine won’t fire.

Are these supposed to be connected somehow?
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Re: Asking for more help please...
« Reply #25 on: January 10, 2023, 06:37:46 PM »
No...the colors will be the same (Green and Yellow).
It's hooked up correctly.
Did you ever remove your motherboard and look underneath?
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Re: Asking for more help please...
« Reply #26 on: January 10, 2023, 07:56:20 PM »
No...the colors will be the same (Green and Yellow).
It's hooked up correctly.
Did you ever remove your motherboard and look underneath?
Motherboard you mean the main board? Yes, i swapped it into a working machine and worked just fine. So my next stab in the dark was to see if there is a schematic i can see so i can figure out why its not booting or at least if it is, its not getting that info to the reels or display.
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Re: Asking for more help please...
« Reply #27 on: January 11, 2023, 02:53:30 AM »
The MPU is the removeable main board.
The motherboard is the small fixed board that the MPU plugs into.

Mark - is suggesting that you remove that board to see if there is anything stuck under it like a coin that may have caused your blown fuse and while it’s out we will inspect it for damage like burnt traces, loose connectors etc.

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Re: Asking for more help please...
« Reply #28 on: January 11, 2023, 08:11:47 AM »
The MPU is the removeable main board.
The motherboard is the small fixed board that the MPU plugs into.

Mark - is suggesting that you remove that board to see if there is anything stuck under it like a coin that may have caused your blown fuse and while it’s out we will inspect it for damage like burnt traces, loose connectors etc.
Got it. Ok will do shortly. Could that motherboard be bad and still have power to reeks, lights and BV?
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Re: Asking for more help please...
« Reply #29 on: January 11, 2023, 09:36:45 AM »
Also called a Backplane board.
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Re: Asking for more help please...
« Reply #30 on: January 11, 2023, 12:57:10 PM »
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Re: Asking for more help please...
« Reply #31 on: January 11, 2023, 01:17:46 PM »
Yes.
Ok swapped it out with a known working board and still nothing. It has a couple more plugs in the machine I pulled it out of so now I’m wondering if those are hooked up correctly. Can anyone verify?
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Re: Asking for more help please...
« Reply #32 on: January 11, 2023, 01:19:00 PM »
Also, this time I decided to close everything up and powered it on with the cord. The front display lights up quickly for a split second but still nothing. I never tried this with the other board, so no idea if that’s a change but at least it shows the display works. I couldn’t post the video, but I did catch this picture of it lighting up on the display for a split second before the fluorescent lights and bill validator fire up. But still no boot.
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Re: Asking for more help please...
« Reply #33 on: January 11, 2023, 01:46:39 PM »
What happens if you open and close the door ? any reel spins.
Does the white button do anything different.
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Re: Asking for more help please...
« Reply #34 on: January 11, 2023, 01:54:49 PM »
What happens if you open and close the door ? any reel spins.
Does the white button do anything different.
All the same symptoms. No spin test button does nothing. Reels still stiff.

So I have no idea where to go now. I hate to trash the whole cabinet but I’m totally lost now.
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Re: Asking for more help please...
« Reply #35 on: January 11, 2023, 01:58:21 PM »
Does the white molex plug just supply various power to board or what else? I know the reels being stiff is a good sign but what else is it for? Could one pin be bad where the reels are stiff but wont boot?

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Re: Asking for more help please...
« Reply #36 on: January 11, 2023, 02:11:19 PM »
I've had them that look fine, but don't make good contact. You could test with a digital multimeter, a wire may be broken, but not visible.
without reading all the posts, I assume you checked for bent pins on the mpu.

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Re: Asking for more help please...
« Reply #37 on: January 11, 2023, 02:35:15 PM »
Anyone direct me to the diagram both in and out for the white molex plug on the motherboard?

My plug is not burnt but want to know what it powers besides the reels which are stiff already. If it powers the MPU eventually maybe there is something there for me to look at further.
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Re: Asking for more help please...
« Reply #38 on: January 11, 2023, 02:47:40 PM »
Since you swapped motherboards….
What is left is your harnesses.

Use a multimeter at each end.
A burnt connector means that it’s arcing and creating a sparc.
Just because it’s not burnt doesn’t mean it’s a good connection.
No connection=no sparc or anything else.

Remember the wires are only crimped into the molex.
So is possible there simply is not a connection at one end or the other.

The only way power gets to the MPU is through the motherboard.
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Re: Asking for more help please...
« Reply #39 on: January 11, 2023, 02:49:10 PM »
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