IGT s+ Payout question

[mikesauto]

5 Times Pay . Just bought converted from tokens to quarter  How do I get it to pay from hopper ,right now it only racks up credits?

[off-track]

5 Times Pay . Just bought converted from tokens to quarter  How do I get it to pay from hopper ,right now it only racks up credits?

Try pressing the cash-out button once.  IIRC, if it's lit all wins go to credits and un-lit pays from the hopper?

[jay]

If the above is not helping .... Some people don't want the machine to pay out coins so they pull the wire off the bottom of the button.  Thats easy to check out if there is a wire hanging or taped off.

You can also change that all coins go to the tray vs credits, you would use the little white button on the inside to get to the settings and then change the options.
Yes I know this sounds sooooo descriptive, what menu you get to and what option you change and how depends on what game chip you have in your machine.
These are described in what is called a PSR (Program Summary Report) which is specific to your game chip.

If you go to the NLG home page, bottom right you will find Ricks FAQs there is instructions there how to get your machine to display what Game and Reel chip you have in the machine.
Ie 1271 or 731 are pretty common game chips but there are many many options.  Post back here with your Game Chip number and we can better help you get to the right options and perhaps someone will post the PSR for your game chip.

You will also find a link to the NLG game bible within Ricks FAQs - This will allow you to look up "5x Pay" find out what reel chips are available (each representing a different payback) and based on what reel chip you have in your game you find find out what payback your machine is giving. There is a sheet for this too called a PAR sheet (Paytable and Reel). This describes in detail the variations of payback with more info than what we have published in the game bible.

Alternatively contributing members have access to the NLG downloads which has most PSR and PAR sheets available.

The other way to get your Game and Reel Chip numbers is to open the machine, power off, pull the hopper, remove the MPU board located at the back of the machine. On the MPU board the Game and Reel chips are pretty obvious (the words game and reel are etched into the board) and the chips themselves will most likely (should) have a sticker on them that say what their numbers are. Theoretically a sticker could be wrong or perhaps no sticker - but this would be the outlier vs the norm.

[mikesauto]

WHICH BUTTON IS CASH OUT? CHIP IS SS7811

[sixcardmark]

WHICH BUTTON IS CASH OUT? CHIP IS SS7811

2nd from left. Says cash-credit

[mikesauto]

That button is lit and all wires are connected

[sixcardmark]

That button is lit and all wires are connected

Press it once to un-light it, then all wins get paid to tray instead of credit meter.

[jay]

The 7811 is your Reel Chip.
SS7811
96.203 (95.792)
20.366
(90) AAA
2000/10000 (1)
4.91

Its a 2 coin version. Here is the link to the Splus bible for that theme.
http://www.newlifegames.net/igtbible/IGT%202CM/Game%20Library%20-%20S-Plus%20-%20Five%20Times%20Pay%20(2%20Coin%20Multiplier).htm

What game chip are you running ?

[mikesauto]

I was able to mess with it.The microswitch on cash credit button was loose ,now it dumps 3 coins and 3200 comes up in window. I cant find anything out of place on coin hopper? suggestions?

[jay]

There is a small spring that brings the brake back when the solenoid retracts.
These break or go missing. A spring from a bic pen can be cut in 1/2 and used as n a pinch.

[Stayouttadabunker]

I could be wrong but I always though the S+ Hopper Error code reasons were these?

[3100] is the hopper paid out an extra coin...>>>Bad brakes.

[3200] is because of a coin jam in the hopper...>>>Too much amps going to the motor.

[3300] is a very low or empty hopper...>>> No coins going thru optics in a certain amount of time.

How much coins do you have in the hopper Mike?

You said it was "converted from tokens to a quarter"...is the spacing on the wheel or wheel shelf correct for quarters?
If I were you, I'd remove the two bowl springs and four screws and small springs from the bowl and place aside.
You need to service underneath the wheel by taking off the screws on the agitator wheel.

This involves having to remove the knife as well.....a complete servicing and cleaning.
When putting the hopper back together, make sure the knife is just resting lightly upon thewheel shelf as you tighten it.

[mikesauto]

took hopper apart inc gearbox. cleaned and lubed . Still drops a few coins and shows 3200 ? I really wouldnt mind not having hopper and just rcking up credits . But i want to use coins for credit but dont need payout 

[Badbaud]

KLAR sells a "fake hopper" under coin handling www.slotmachinerepair.com

[jay]

A 3200 error occurs when the hopper is running but doesn't sense coins coming out.

Basically on a payout - power is applied to the hopper - the solenoid is extended at the back to push off the hopper brake -  and it spins.
If it spins too long without a coin being counted you get a 3200.

As coins pass the coin optic they are counted
When the correct amount is reached - power is shut off - the solenoid is released and the spring brings the brake back in to prevent an over pay of coins due to wheel momentum.

SO - either you don't have enough coins in your hopper, you might have the wrong type of wheel in the hopper for the size of coin your using, but the most likely cause is the hopper knife.  I know if I have less than about 30-40 coins my wheel doesn't pick them up too well and I get the occasional 3200 - so I keep about a 300 coin float in my machines.

When the hopper lifts the coin up it runs down a plastic (bake lite ??) strip called a hopper knife guiding the coin to roll past the optic before hitting the coin tray.
Hopper knives deteriorate over time or get bent. So its not uncommon for the coin to simply drop back into the hopper before it reaches the optic.
Even on a good day many coins could simply fall back into the hopper - but as long as they keep flowing a few falling off the apple cart is no big deal.
Hoppering (if that is a word ??)  is not an exact science.

Your coin optic could also be dirty but this is less likely as a dirty optic would not spit out a few coins first. Its more likely that the coins are flowing low behind the knife and are not being seen by the optic. The height of the optic is adjustable (to accomodate (penny, dime, quarter or dollar sizes) . Again if a few are registering then this is likely not your issue.

You could open your belly door and remove the light plate behind it or leave the door open and tape the door optics together to simulate a door closed to see what is going on.
There is also A 10coin hopper test will also give you an indication of what is going on but you really want to get eyes on this.... Perhaps an infrared web cam on the inside ... (ok now I am being silly).

In terms of not coin dispensing (on the cheap) - set your hopper limit and credit limit to 9999 this will avoid hand pay situations, and simply pull the wire from the bottom of your cash/credit button that way you can't manually (or accidently) cash out. At least not until you build up more than 10k credits... after that you will hit a hand pay and a turn of the reset key will clear the credits and your back to the beginning.

[mikesauto]

How do I set hopper and credit limit?

[jay]

What game chip do you have.

[mikesauto]

SP831

[jay]

The type of Game Chips you have determine what options you have.
Ie some game chips have separate hopper and credit limits while others only have 1 limit, and when reached it goes to hand pay.
You use the white test button to get to the correct menu then change the options with the reset key, or spin buttons etc.
This varies between game chips.

Each game chip has a document called a PSR - Program Summary Report that details what these options are.
A similar document is available called a PAR sheet - Paytable and Reel that describes the reel chip behavior in your machine.

I have attached two files. The first is the PSR that's specific to your game chip. These are not the easiest things to read if you have not gone through this before.
Next is a simplified sheet that walks you through changing all the settings - we have documented many of the common chips (yours is not that common) but if you have these two documents printed and side by side it becomes fairly easy on what to change and how.

If you become a contributing member you would have access to our downloads folder where all these nuggets of gold are kept.

[mikesauto]

Can someone explain this a little? I'm a mechanic and we have self diagnostics and recoding on cars I've done for yrs ,this seems about the same

[jay]

According to the PSR
Pressing the self test switch or the Bet One Credit player switch “pages” forward through the self test mode, and pressing the Play Max Credits player switch pages backward.  Changes or selections in the options pages may be made by pressing the Change switch or turning the jackpot reset key.  During a tilt condition, only the WAMM/CCOM machine address may be selected or altered.  The numbers appearing below enclosed in < > represent the self test page number, [ ] represent the option number, and { } represent the setting.  The self test pages appear in the following order:



Credit Limit   Automatically matches the maximum hopper setting that can be set by DIP switch or in the self test mode.  If the SAS EFT option is selected, the maximum limit cannot exceed 9,999.

SO knowing that the Credit limit is tied to the hopper - we need to look at the Max Hopper Pay.

Max Hopper Pay <7>   Programmable only if DIP switches 1 and 2 are set for self test selection (on position); otherwise, this page is for display purposes only.  Determines the maximum number of coins that may be paid out of the hopper

So based on the Max hopper pay instructions - you need to pull your MPU, and set the dip switches. Generally there is a sticker on the tray that also has the designation of each of the dip switches.

Next

According to the Simplified sheets you would press the white test button 13 times, until you see a 7 in the coins played. Then you use the reset key to change the number to 9999.

Once this is done - press the self test button to move to another page (this locks in the setting you just made). Close the door.