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**Reel Slots** Gaming Machines => IGT S2000 and Vision Games => Topic started by: irascible51 on October 13, 2019, 10:04:08 AM
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Is it a plus or not? Need to increase RTP on a Haywire Deluxe
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Please post a pic or two of your machine.
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RTP?????
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Why are you reporting the people replying to you?
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Sorry for the ignorance but I'm not sure how to communicate on the forum. I'm hoping my wife can send some pictures from her I Phone but not sure how to accomplish that
:EmoticonHelp4:
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We do not look down on anyone here. Another way to figure this out, Does your machine have speakers on each side of the top box? Also where your pull handle is will show the year, that will help also. If you have a S+ we determine which SS chip you have. If it is a S2000 then a key chip is needed to change %. When your wife takes picture she should see an option before sending to resize, make like 30% and it will post here. You are not the first to have trouble and that is why us volunteers are here to help others. Oh yea. Welcome to NLG
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Elvis
Appreciate your patience greatly. This Haywire does have speakers on the top. Also a speaker on the coin tray at the bottom (for what I don't know). No date by the handle/lever.
I could pull the MPU and take the shroud off/remove cover. So if a pic of the circuit boards & chips would be helpful.
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The speakers up top do they stick out like ears or are they flush with the cabinet?
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Yes, pull the mpu and let us know what chips you have. SB, SG, and most importantly if it has a SS chip. You have a S2000, but it may be using S+ chip
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Speakers stick out like ears on side. We'll get back to you when we pull the MPU.
:thank_you: Okay we're getting this for now I guess....emoticons/emogi's.
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Make sure the machine is off before pulling the MPU out.
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Got that thanks! Who, got the pics? Anyone, the missus sold me she sent them. I don't "participate" as far as the smart phones (yeah, I still have a rooftop antenna too!)
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You have to attach them in the post
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Pictures from irascible51.
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OK now we have information.
It is an S2000 with a 500 series mpu
If the machine is working and all you want to do is adjust the pay back % you will need to purchase a key chip if you don't have one. Member RB should be able to help you out. Probably should get a clear chip also as you might need one in the future.
We recommend a Key 45 and a Clear 225 because they will work with most S2000 board sets (in case your slot machines multiply)
If you do have another key chip you can use that.
Key 17, Key 31 will also work.
When you get one we can teach you how to use it.
Rich
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This is so wonderful; what a great service/courtesy. Now where do I find RB because I want to purchase from fellow members so as to support this help. Also, anyone have access to a source of hard copy of a owners manual where I might find the "how to" maneuver around the menu's from the "Cash Out, Change, etc. et. al. buttons. Failing a hard copy, a download would have to do...at least how to provision the machine.
irascible51/Bob P.
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This is so wonderful; what a great service/courtesy. Now where do I find RB because I want to purchase from fellow members so as to support this help. Also, anyone have access to a source of hard copy of a owners manual where I might find the "how to" maneuver around the menu's from the "Cash Out, Change, etc. et. al. buttons. Failing a hard copy, a download would have to do...at least how to provision the machine.
irascible51/Bob P.
PM sent!
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"where I might find the "how to" for your S2000 can be found also in the stickied topics on this page...here's a link...>>>
http://newlifegames.com/nlg/index.php?topic=21511.0
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Outstanding! Very exciting...appreciate it!!!
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Thanks all:
I got the Haywire IC Chips in record time (thanks Ron). Now on to the procedures where's theres a veritable "plethora" of them at the IGT S2000 link.
b.p. irascible51
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This becomes an addiction in my retirement. I've been looking some time for a player piano.....they are most available free but are transport prohibitve.....heavy. I'd like to have one of those old United or Williams shuffle bowl type "pin ball" machines too.
Okay, can anyone here know the difference between the IGT S2000 Double Diamond vs the Triple Diamond machines. None seem to have the nudge available. I'd like to find either a Double or Triple with multiple lines & with nudge. I like those Diamond machines but if I had more money a Texas Tea might be nice too.
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All nudge games are single line.
Those shuffle bowling machines are fairly easy to find.
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Thanks Mark, that was a quick and helpful reply. Yeah, nothing that I could find either in that nudge department. You just can't have it all in life...ha ha. I have been enjoying my IGT S2000 Haywire with nudge but I haven't figured out what combinations triggers the "Haywire" mode.
Robert P.
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Any win can possibly trigger the haywire mode.
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Yeah, what a blast....speaking of, I just got a 4 "Haywires" at 60 credits each. Most I've ever gotten out of this machine and yeah I've got the chips now and have to get goin on getting the payout percentage increased. FUN!
Best regards,
Robert P.
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Hey everyone,
I just answered one of own questions (via "The Bunker"). So I've got the "sticky" but with all of the chips that are on that MPU circuit board I couldn't tell you which ones are involved to accomplish the "increasing the payout percentage" Now I've got the 224 Clear chip and I've got the 48 Key Chip. Do both of these chips use the same socket? In succession? Then replace the chip on the socket that the original chip was in (is that how this works?) So which one in that sticky section would be best (simplest) for just changing the payout percentage at this point.
"Non Plussed" here.
Thanks all,
b.p.
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You just need to use the key 45 (45 not 48)chip then just change the player % after you do the key process. Remember when you key the machine there must be zero credits on the machine before you start.
Follow the key procedures below.( not the clear)
http://newlifegames.com/nlg/index.php?topic=323.0 (http://newlifegames.com/nlg/index.php?topic=323.0)
Your going to adjust the "game select" 7.1.2
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Thanks Q, sorry, it was a type on my part, I do have a 45 Key. Is the socket that this is going into is it obvious?
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I would like to add that it is ESSENTIAL that the power is turned off EVERY time before removing/installing the MPU board
and that the chips are in the CORRECT orientation.
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Yeah, I'm on to that stuff. I have a static strap and use it too (although I recall it was the CMOS stuff that was super sensitive).
How can identify the culprit in question (identifying numbers on existing chips?).
Thank you though,ounce of prevention better than pound of cure.
Robert P.
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It is the "SB" chip you remove. Pay attention to the notch on chips and install correctly.
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Using the # 45 Key chip. Will it the SB100177 chip that I will be "toggling" on the MPU? Where do I go (what's the best way) to clearing the credits (there are about 500 credits on the machine and I won't want to have to play with all of coins)?
Thanks all,
b.p.
p.s. Then I guess that it's on to the "Accounting" and MTA 12, is that correct/best way?
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Start reading the stuff in here for your machine...will solve ALL your questions....>>>
http://newlifegames.com/nlg/index.php?topic=21511.0 (http://newlifegames.com/nlg/index.php?topic=21511.0)
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Outstanding! As usual. Thanks "Bunker"
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Uhh...it's the same page as the other reply! You just didn't read it. haha
Knock off the credits by clearing them first either by playing them off or using a clear chip in where the SB socket is.
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Hi ya "Bunker" but I tried to read it but it was a bit all encompassing...too much...I needed the Monarch Notes/Cliff's version...ha ha....do you remember those things....I also utilized Classics Comics Books for my Book Reports at school....sheez...how I made it through all of that.
Yeah, well inspite of the lean situation with my Deluxe Haywire at this point it would take me qutie a few pulls to blow through all of the credits that are the machine at this point. It was reluctant to use the Clear chip (thank you "RB") because I didn't want to lose everything and have to start at the beginning.
Thanks,
b.p.
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You can clear the credits another way...cash out a ticket...lol
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Hey hey....I certainly would go that route but this machine is coin in & coin out.....am I missing something here?
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Yeah...a ticket printer... :rotfl:
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Yeah, you said it brother!! Ha ha!!! Now I suppose that's the bad news and that's the good news.
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May have no recourse but to "Call For The Attendant" Maybe enpty out the hopper and let it seek out the missing coins...etc. as above.
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Just an observation on my part.
Let me understand.
A agree you probably don't want to go through a total clear just to reset the credits because you want to change the play back %.
Now for the logic check.
1 You want to change the machine to obtain better odds.
2 You need to clear 500 credits to be able to key the machine to change the %
3 If you have 500+ credits on the machine it sounds like the pay back % must be pretty good already.
Why not just wait until you burn off the credits on your "tight" machine then change the %.
You will find only a very small difference in game play by changing the %. Unless it is currently set at 78 or lower.
But with over 500 credits on the machine I doubt it.
I would wait until you run it out of credits and then change it.
Just my 2 cents
Rich
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Works for me Rich as I have no problem pulling the handle everytime I pass by the machine. That between that and the GameKing in the back here. So it's that lean then that much normall though as it might have quite a few pulls to get to that 500 (wouldn't want to have it out of my pocket in a casino at the reservation).
Regards,
Mr. P.
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Wow survived the swapping of the chips and getting the 45 installed (sans bent pins & noting proximity of notchs). Fell short on the actual changes that I was seeking to accomplish. Too slow with my lack of experience and the machine timed out and went into error mode...I couldn't get to the Table 2-3 Master Money Accounting Meters page & to the MTA 12 Base Payback % (trying to make my machine a litte more liberal with the pay outs).
Cheers & regards to all here,
Robert P.
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What is your current payback %? By default they will be at the highest (usually 98%). Here's how you can check, no keychip etc required.
Press the MPU self test button
Press the cash credit button 6 times
Press Spin reels 2 times
Press cash credit 1 time
You should see 7.1.2 in the display along with game selection
Press Spin Reels 1 time
It should show you the payback percentage and game #. If it says Game#1 it's already set at the highest (most liberal or loose) as it can be. If says Game#2 or higher then you'll need to key the machine to change it.
To return to normal game play simply close the door.
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This is fabulous enllightenment. I won't be able to get it tomorrow though cause I'm just about of gas right now....ready for nighty night. I think that I saw about 89.xxx payout percentage something in my past. I told the folks to set it up lean cause that's probably what I'm likely to expect at the Akwasasne Indian Casino up country from here (about 1/5 hours)
Thanks much,
Bob P.
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Ah OK. Well if you asked them to set it "tight" then it may be lower than default. Was just trying to save you all the hassle of keying etc if it's already set as high as it can be.
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Trying to find the "sticky" that covers the PayOut Percentage for my IGT S2000 Deluxe Haywire. Can you help me going my way through the menu's to get to change in for something higher than the 89.99 % that it's on right now. I have gotten through two pairs of swaps with the chips I believe sucessfully...no pins bent that I can see, notch in proximity and used a static strap. I should be good to go if I just needed some guidance at this point.
Thanks,
Mr. Robert P.