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**Reel Slots** Gaming Machines => IGT S2000 and Vision Games => Topic started by: CossackWarrior on November 27, 2014, 11:40:55 AM
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Well, this is officially my first post here. Great site. Thank you Channelmanic :applause: for pointing me to this site from KLOV. Im an arcade guy, but love variety, as I love a variety with women too :)
So, I purchased and received a working VERY minty IGT S2000 Wild Thing slot. PICS ATTACHED, as well as error messages.
When I received it, and started it there were a number of issues and concerns:
1. Cant find a manual for this sucker anywhere, does anyone have one?
2. VERY STRANGE, every time I turn the slot on he it emits a terrible chemical plastic smell. I look in the machine, cant find any smoke, burning, nothing. WTF is causing that?? It gives a headache almost instantly
3. The center reel artwork has come apart at the seam where the double sided tape is. What is the correct type of double sided tape to fix it, and where can you get it?
4. Noticed the 3 reel artworks could use a slight cleaning. Is there anything specific on how to clean the art on these?
5. Both the upper speakers continuously emit an annoying static noise from them, not a hum, but static. They play all the sounds well, but that static is just outright annoying. How can this be fixed? Board upgrades, repair?
6. The sub-woofer speaker is not hooked up, actually missing the harness to hook it up. Where can you buy this harness, and where in the machine do you connect it to?
7. The current JCM WBA 13 bill acceptor only accepts old US bills. What do I need to do and buy to convert it to accept new and old Canadian bills?
8. This morning I turned the machine on and I got an error message "DOOR OPEN M" and "Bill Validator Error", which I fixed by turning the machine off, pulling the cash box out, and firmly pushing it back in, then turning the machine back on. But then..........this morning in the middle of play, the following two messages started "General Reel Tilt" and "CALL ATTENDANT", and the the center reel and far right reel just kept spinning slowly. I turn the slot off and then back on only to see the same two messages, and now all three reels spin slowly and continuously.
9. The bottom light on the candle no matter what is continuously flashing, how do I correct that and why is that happening?
Yes, sorry, tons of questions on my FIRST post ever. I guess as a newbie this would be expected.
Thank you to everyone in advance to helps me out here.
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Sorry two more error pics attached.
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To clear the reel tilt, with the machine on and reels spinning slowly, open the door and turn the jackpot reset key (little brass one that goes in lock on handle side of cabinet) one time. Close the door and machine will reset and be ready to play.
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Welcome! That's one of the marquis S2000 themes, but hopefully whoever sold it to you disclosed the condition before they shipped it to you. I'd be pissed if I received a machine like this. Perhaps the agreement was that it wouldn't be shopped. Anyway, I digress.
Be ultra careful about cleaning those strips as replacements are near impossible to find anymore. Some strips are washable and others are not, meaning, the symbols will wipe right off with paper towel and water. Search the forums...I think there is a sticky topic that covers cleaning strips.
No worries, we'll get your machine going.
Jason
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Welcome! That's one of the marquis S2000 themes, but hopefully whoever sold it to you disclosed the condition before they shipped it to you. I'd be pissed if I received a machine like this. Perhaps the agreement was that it wouldn't be shopped. Anyway, I digress.
Be ultra careful about cleaning those strips as replacements are near impossible to find anymore. Some strips are washable and others are not, meaning, the symbols will wipe right off with paper towel and water. Search the forums...I think there is a sticky topic that covers cleaning strips.
No worries, we'll get your machine going.
Jason
Thank you for the welcome Jason. Happy to be here.
So its one of the marquis S2000 slots, cool. I guess I got a good first slot. Just out of curiosity, whats it worth, assuming there are no issues as described? lol
The gentleman in TX sold it to me as working with no issues. He was super nice, and as you can see packed it exceptionally well for safe shipping. I am not sure he meant to sell me a lemon. Maybe it happened along the long way from TX to Toronto, Canada. It was part of his personal collection. Truly this thing is immaculate, the outside, artwork, and chrome are flawless.
LOL, other than the outside, all the problems are killing me.
Looking forward to working with you Jason to help me through all this.
How shall we begin?
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Based on the issues you're having ; I'd hardly call your machine a lemon. Your machine was shipped and having several boards, harnesses, etc... it is common for them to come loose in transit. Thoroughly go through the machine ( bottom , door, and top .... take off top glass). Make sure all wiring and boards are secure. Also check for loose tokens or quarters in lower section of machine. You can use Scotch double-sided tape ( available at Walmart, Walgreens, CVS, etc) to tape the 2nd reel . The loose 2nd reel strip might have been the cause of the reel tilt ( slow moving reel). BV stacker error can occur when you don't put the cash can back i firmly.... Your issues are actually quite minor and with a little practice and playing time you'll easily know what the errors are and what to do. Good luck.
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Well thats fantastic news. It answers some of my questions very well, but a number of others still outstanding. Mainly, the speaker static noise, and the terrible chemical plastic smell when the game is turned on. The second one is what worries me most. I cant figure out where the burning plastic smell is coming from. The smell fills the whole floor in no time when the game is turned on. Gives everyone a headache, and when you look inside the slot, nothing seems wrong. STRANGE.
Also, the sub-woofer, where can I get the specific harness, and how and which pcb to hook it in.
This is surely fun. Arcades and slots cross over well, and make for a great combination in the game room.
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Still looking for information on points 1, 2, 5, 6, 7, and 9 :nerd:
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The smell could possibly be from some sort of cleaner they used that maybe was sprayed on the fan. Locate the top box fan and the lower fan.... unplug them and then turn the machine on.... If there is no smell; then that's the problem.... Clean the fans and surrounding areas.
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The smell could possibly be from some sort of cleaner they used that maybe was sprayed on the fan. Locate the top box fan and the lower fan.... unplug them and then turn the machine on.... If there is no smell; then that's the problem.... Clean the fans and surrounding areas.
Yeah, did all that, and the burning plastic chemical smell still keeps coming when the game is on. Plus the inside of the machine is SUPER clean. Its really strange.
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Time to put your nose to work.... Leave the machine on... open the door and sniff around......DO NOT remove any boards with the machine on... You can pull out the hopper for more headroom..... Then remove the reels and smell the power supply ; it's the big silver box behind the reels.
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I/O's reek when the fry :yes: . I have had an I/O smell up my house after I put the wrong bulb in the denom window, yet the I/O still works to this day.
There's an I/O on the inside panel of the door, and a I/O on the side of the MPU. Take a whiff near there.
-The hiss noise from the speakers is well documented. It's the MPU you have (most likely 99.9%), check your MPU # and you will know. A 502 along with a simm is quite annoying while in a home environment, a 504b has much less hisssssing, and an enhanced 1270 is basically silent. Let us know what you have
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1. Cant find a manual for this sucker anywhere, does anyone have one?
6. The sub-woofer speaker is not hooked up, actually missing the harness to hook it up. Where can you buy this harness, and where in the machine do you connect it to?
7. The current JCM WBA 13 bill acceptor only accepts old US bills. What do I need to do and buy to convert it to accept new and old Canadian bills?
9. The bottom light on the candle no matter what is continuously flashing, how do I correct that and why is that happening?
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1. This is a casino machine, there are no "user guides." You will find service and repair manuals in the download section.
6. Take a photo with the tray removed in in the bottom part of your machine. There are two different types of connectors used to connect the sub-woofer, we need to identify which one you have. Also take a picture of the back of the tray where the speaker is, it should have some sort of molex connector.
7. You need to know for sure that you have a WBA13. The only way to tell, is to pull out the validator, turn it upside down and look at the PCB on the bottom. If it has an eprom (a removable chip on a socket) then you have a WBA13. If you have s surface mount flash chip, you have a WBA12. Then to use canadian money, you will need to:
a. Get a wba23 head (your transport can be used provided you can get the canadian software, a chip if it is an wba13, you need to send it to someone to flash if it is a 12).
b. Get a wider duckbill to accomodate the width of the canadian currency. (they are 3mm wider, which may or may not work).
c. Get a wider bezel that will allow the currency to go in correctly.
9. There is an option in the settings menu for a door drop. It is probably enabled. You need to disable it.
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As Harvys mentioned check your I/Os. I had run into that before. They do smell nasty if some component fried.
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Ok, so went through the whole slot tonight. Solved one of the major mysteries, the burning plastic smell......It was the FAN at the top that was defective. Super hot and stank. Have to find a proper replacement fan now, any suggestions on where to get one?
Also, found out I have a WBA-12-SS bill acceptor and validator. I would like to upgrade to the JCM WBA-23 (as rickhunter stated) already with the programmed chip for Canadian dollars, and correct parts to fit the larger bills. Can anyone point me to a person or site that has exactly what I need?
Speakers still have that constant static. Dont know what to do there.
I have attached pictures of the sub-woofer and the molex connector. Where can I get the harness for it, and where in the slot does the other side connect. I attached pictures of the rest of the inside of the slot as well.
There is now a new error message. "Bill Validator Comm Error" I plugged it all back in the same way. Hmmm
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More pics........
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More pics.......
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Another set......
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Last picture of the new error code. Sorry for all the pics, just figured these will all help answer my questions. :)
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Sure seems like a lot of problems came with the machine that was described as very minty. Maybe they were referring to the cabinet. Luckily most are small issues that can be taken care of one step at a time. Just curious did you purchase this from a company or private individual?
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I purchased it privately from a top class gentleman i n TX. He used to be in the business. Sells alot on fleabay. This slot was from his personal collection. My opinion is that this all happened during transportation (minus the fan of coarse).
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Ok, so went through the whole slot tonight. Solved one of the major mysteries, the burning plastic smell......It was the FAN at the top that was defective. Super hot and stank. Have to find a proper replacement fan now, any suggestions on where to get one?
Also, found out I have a WBA-12-SS bill acceptor and validator. I would like to upgrade to the JCM WBA-23 (as rickhunter stated) already with the programmed chip for Canadian dollars, and correct parts to fit the larger bills. Can anyone point me to a person or site that has exactly what I need?
Speakers still have that constant static. Dont know what to do there.
I have attached pictures of the sub-woofer and the molex connector. Where can I get the harness for it, and where in the slot does the other side connect. I attached pictures of the rest of the inside of the slot as well.
There is now a new error message. "Bill Validator Comm Error" I plugged it all back in the same way. Hmmm
I have a WBA 23 IDO 24 (eprom labeled CAN V3.04-34) for an IGT available.
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PM/Email sent on the unit. Thank you Ken.
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funny the ebay pro would leave the green battery on game board
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I agree. I'm probably pickier than most but I see many things I would change. First, CV slots shows to have the bass speaker harness & bracket in stock. I plugs in at the top left rear of the main cabinet. The wire connector is visble in your pic that I am re-posting.
http://www.centralvalleyslots.com/bottom-bass-speaker-bracket-and-harness.html (http://www.centralvalleyslots.com/bottom-bass-speaker-bracket-and-harness.html)
The drop chute is missing from the base plate & from the floor of the machine. Not a big deal if it is coinless. Other thing I would change is the mono sound harness in the top box (second pic). Stereo harness is much more desireable with a SIMM installed. That might account for some of you speaker buzz. You have the more desireable 504B MPU. Static shouldn't be a problem. The multimedia settings are configurable as mono or stereo in the menu 3.2.6.1. I would consider changing the Version chip to a VS011GX1 & even those SG chips to SG000363s. 362s are ok but if you ever clear your machine & set it up again you will be prompted to choose WAMM or IPC. If you use a KEY00031 as the PSR suggests, it will leave you stuck at that point. You will need a KEY00017 or 45 (recommended). 363s are set to WAMM by default. The GX1 version chip will change your display to show the $ amount & allow you to setup multiple denominations if so desired. I hope I am not confusing you. These are just things I notice. Obviously the Texas gentleman isn't as picky about his personal collection as most of us.
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bet the shipping was alot
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I agree. I'm probably pickier than most but I see many things I would change. First, CV slots shows to have the bass speaker harness & bracket in stock. I plugs in at the top left rear of the main cabinet. The wire connector is visble in your pic that I am re-posting.
[url]http://www.centralvalleyslots.com/bottom-bass-speaker-bracket-and-harness.html[/url] ([url]http://www.centralvalleyslots.com/bottom-bass-speaker-bracket-and-harness.html[/url])
The drop chute is missing from the base plate & from the floor of the machine. Not a big deal if it is coinless. Other thing I would change is the mono sound harness in the top box (second pic). Stereo harness is much more desireable with a SIMM installed. That might account for some of you speaker buzz. You have the more desireable 504B MPU. Static shouldn't be a problem. The multimedia settings are configurable as mono or stereo in the menu 3.2.6.1. I would consider changing the Version chip to a VS011GX1 & even those SG chips to SG000363s. 362s are ok but if you ever clear your machine & set it up again you will be prompted to choose WAMM or IPC. If you use a KEY00031 as the PSR suggests, it will leave you stuck at that point. You will need a KEY00017 or 45 (recommended). 363s are set to WAMM by default. The GX1 version chip will change your display to show the $ amount & allow you to setup multiple denominations if so desired. I hope I am not confusing you. These are just things I notice. Obviously the Texas gentleman isn't as picky about his personal collection as most of us.
Ok, everything you described above I want......lol This will be my one and only slot, so I want it to be packed with all the goodies. Yes, most of what you described above totally flew over my head. Nevertheless, I will need to understand all you described above and would like to source everything you described above as well.
PM sent.
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bet the shipping was alot
Believe it or not, I paid $300 US for the shipping to my door. That is an awesome price for shipping. My secret for getting low rates on shipping is uship.com Works almost everytime to get very great rates.
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I also just realized by looking at my machine and pics, that there are a number of connectors not connected. What are they all for? Please refer to my previous pics.
Also, there is nothing connected to my i/o board. The connector and harness are just hanging in the back. Any reason for that?
Would it also be suggested to upgrade from my current i/o board? Pics attached.
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You have the correct I/O. The harness from the backlight reel controller plugs into it. I saw it hanging in your cabinet. Does your machine have backlit reels? Got your PM. Will email you shortly..........RB
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Ok, great its the correct I/O. Wonder why the previous owner had it unhooked though? What exactly does the I/O do? I can only assume he had it unplugged cause it was defective or something. Hmmm
Yes, this cab has the backlit reels (meaning the lights are inside the reels, correct?)
Thanks for helping me out RB. Looking forward to your PM.
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The I/O (input/output) card/board must be plugged in for the machine to work period. It has many functions. The harness from the backlight controller to the I/O is optional. Is your backlight controller present? See pic. Yes your reels are backlit but that dosent mean all the parts are there.
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Geez, looking at your pic, I am also missing the whole metal housing for the backlight controller as you can see from the attached pics. I also noticed the top right plug is being used on my controller and not in your pic ?????
Do you also have a source for the metal housing for the backlight controller?
It seems that that the harness from the I/O controller to the backlight panel was not plugged in at the I/O controller. Hmmm
lool, the more I look, the more is missing. The previous owner had the backlight panel attached with velcro. Arghhhhh.
Pics of my reels are attached as well.
RB, can you look over the other pics I posted to double check to see if there is anything else I may be missing?
I noticed in the upper compartment two connectors not being used, and two brackets on either end. What where they used for?
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It appears that your printer harness is plugged into the upper right. It shoud NOT be. That machine needs to spend a few days with me. I hate when things are half-ass done. I have plenty of mounting plates for the controller but no extra covers, Please unplug that printer harness. Do your backlights even work?
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It appears that your printer harness is plugged into the upper right. It shoud NOT be. That machine needs to spend a few days with me. I hate when things are half-ass done. I have plenty of mounting plates for the controller but no extra covers, Please unplug that printer harness. Do your backlights even work?
Ok, unplugged the printer harness. I would love if a knowledgeable person in slots could come over and take care of all this, but then I would lose out on all the fun stuff :drool04: I think I am the same, when I see arcades half ass restored, it freakin kills me.
Good to hear you have the mounting plate, the cover is just another item to add to the list to source, lol.
I checked the reels, and the backlights do work.
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And the saga continues................
Tonight while playing the slot, I decided to play by pulling the handle, and after the few times, it goes into "General Reel Spin" "DOOR CLOSURE M". Truly frustrating.
I can press MAX BET button a zillion times, and that never happens. Only when the pull down the handle. What could it be?
Loose connection somewhere, bad pcb?????
I did notice that if I pull the handle slower and more gently than a normal pull down it happens waaaaaaay less. But if you pull it down in normally, it goes into General Reel Spin.
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I cant stop the bottom light in the candle from flashing fast. Is there a procedure to temporarily stop it, and why is it happening anyways?
LOL, I have so much to learn about slots.
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I think you mean "General Reel Tilt". Open the door, turn the jackpot key 1 time & release it. Reels should stop & return to normal after door is closed. Anytime there is an error the candle will flash. Is it flashing at all times or only when there is a problem? Check to be sure your reels are properly seated & there are no obstructions such as loose display, reel glass fluorescent light or even wires that might be rubbing on the reels. Pulling the handle merely trips a micro switch in the mechanism that functions just like pressing the spin reels button. The look & feel of the pull handle is merely nostalgic. If there is a slight obstruction to one or more of the reels, pulling the handle just might create enough vibration to make a difference. You should see telltale signs on the reel strips or basket edges if there is some rubbing. Could also be a door optic problem. Not properly aligned or possibly bad but doubtful. Does your MPU still have the green battery? It should be removed from 502, 504 boards. It is not required for home use. A faulty battery can leak acid onto the board traces & usually leads to door open issues which will cause a reel tilt.
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I concur that the pulling of the handle may be causi g too much of a vibration/wiggle. What is this machine sitting on? If not sufficiently solid and level, this could be the cause of the Reel Tilt.
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I think you mean "General Reel Tilt". Open the door, turn the jackpot key 1 time & release it. Reels should stop & return to normal after door is closed. Anytime there is an error the candle will flash. Is it flashing at all times or only when there is a problem? Check to be sure your reels are properly seated & there are no obstructions such as loose display, reel glass fluorescent light or even wires that might be rubbing on the reels. Pulling the handle merely trips a micro switch in the mechanism that functions just like pressing the spin reels button. The look & feel of the pull handle is merely nostalgic. If there is a slight obstruction to one or more of the reels, pulling the handle just might create enough vibration to make a difference. You should see telltale signs on the reel strips or basket edges if there is some rubbing. Could also be a door optic problem. Not properly aligned or possibly bad but doubtful. Does your MPU still have the green battery? It should be removed from 502, 504 boards. It is not required for home use. A faulty battery can leak acid onto the board traces & usually leads to door open issues which will cause a reel tilt.
Yes sorry, General Reel Tilt. Stopped it with the turn of the jackpot key, and door closure. Thank you.
The lower light in the candle is flashing all the time, even when operating properly. The reels are in nice and tight, with no obstructions (although on one, the double sided tape is kinda loose.)
The MPU does have the green battery, and I do suspect it needs to be removed as I think it has leaked slightly. I will remove it tomorrow. Is there anything in the settings I have to change after removing the battery?
I will also have to double check if the door optics are aligned. How do you check that?
Also right now (temporarily until I find a nice stand) the slot is sitting firmly on the floor.
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Did you ever check to see if the dropdoor switch is not jumped together for the blinking light?
The green battery does not backup the settings, just remove it and put board back.
If the door optics are not aligned, then the machine does not play at all.
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Check the cash box door as well. There should be a micro switch there with a blue & green wire. If it hasn't been previously bypassed, do so by connecting those 2 wires. It is part of the door optic circuit as well as the belly door. Below is a pic of the damage caused by a neglected green Varta battery. See the corrosion eating into the traces & surrounding components. Many people break or clip them off. I remove the board from the tray & heat the joints from the bottom with a soldering iron. This board was sent to me by a member to clean/repair. He had to buy another board.
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Did you ever check to see if the dropdoor switch is not jumped together for the blinking light?
The green battery does not backup the settings, just remove it and put board back.
If the door optics are not aligned, then the machine does not play at all.
Ok, stupid questions. Where is the drop door switch? Do you have a pic you can show me?
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Thank you everyone for your help. This slot is complete, and now working glitch free.
Man, still have to hit this jackpot though. Now I know why I never gamble in real life casinos, lol.