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**Reel Slots** Gaming Machines => IGT S and S-plus Reel Games => Topic started by: Weissa1989 on July 09, 2020, 10:13:35 AM
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Hi Guys!
My name is Eric and I'm interested in to buy an IGT S PLUS slot. But the slot shows an error code to that I can't found anything. The display above shows following error code: "GRADR-???" Also see the attached picture.
So I hope, that one of you experts can help me to solve this issue.
Thanks for your help! ;-)
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That is the progressive jackpot. Not really needed in home use. Any other errors on the display near the reels?
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Hi!
Nope. There is no other error code shown on the displays.
According to the sellers statement the slot doesn't work.
Only the lights are shining but no chance to get the reels work after you put some money in... :-/
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Sorry - I'm wrong!
On the display "winner paid" stands "1"...
Br
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It probably shows 12 for a dead battery. Try to get a picture showing the lit displays. If using your phone reduce the size of photo
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I try to get a picture of the small displays. ;-)
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Do not see any new picture, only the one of the top progressive display.
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The GRADR=??? is on your progressive displays, and is likely saying that the Group Address is not set or not found. Assuming that you're not connected to a casino progressive system, that could be the cause.
I have not seen many 4-reel IGT S+ machines. Can you post a few more pictures of the entire machine, please?
Also, are you able to tell us what the SP (GAME) and SS (REEL) chips are in your machine, either by removing the MPU board (with the power OFF) or with this method (http://newlifegames.com/nlg/index.php?topic=2251.0)?
Also, can you provide some pictures of behind your top glass to determine what kind of progressive controller you have?
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That is the progressive display that has the error - the display is technically called a meter and not an error message with the slot itself.
On the S+ the Coin In and Winner paid windows would have errors like 12 (battery low) 3100 (hopper error) etc. I don't see any errors on the slot that would impair its functionality.
From a progressive display perspective these meters would be connected to a Cham II or Cham II+ controller board.
The ChamII+ (plus model) is a standalone progressive controller. All in one board that handles the progressive and displays the progressive amounts
The ChamII (non plus) requires the board to be connected to a CON2i SuperController (~~$800 unit) and is only a display unit.
The "i" on CON2i means IGT - you can sometimes find a CON2s or CON2b etc but you need the "i" version to work with IGT.
In a casino you commonly would have a bank of machines all connected to a common jackpot progressive - this is called a LINK progressive and that is handled by the CON2i SuperController.
The environment would look like several machines with ChamII (non plus) all connected to a single CON2i
When you don't have the CON2i controller (ie a machine is pulled from the casino and sold) you typically get the type of error message that you see displayed on the progressive meter.
You also can get these errors if this was a slot with a standalone progressive and the ChamII+ has been off for a while and the built in (rechargeable) battery has gone dead and the board needs to be reprogrammed.
To program the progressive (either CON2i or ChamII+) you need a custom 9 pin serial cable between a laptop and the (CON2i or ChamII+) controller board. You can take a standard 9pin cable and easily modify it as it basically requires a couple of pins to be jumpered. I take the brute force approach and cut a standard 9pin cable in 1/2 and do it that way with a bit of electrical tape. Lots of doc on this site on how to do this. You also require a program called PSP, which you can get from one of our members. As a side note the PSP is old (old) non windows software and works best on a old laptop with a physical 9 pin port. If you use a USB to 9pin adapter cable sometimes the PC will identify this as COM8 and the PSP only supports COM1,2 or 3.
The ChamII+ can be used as a ChamII (link mode) but not the other way around. So it is possible that this machine was used as part of a bank of linked machines but still has a ChamII+ board.
To replace a ChamII (non plus) with a ChamII+ board would be ~ $120 and would give you full progressive capability.
Once you have identified if this has a ChamII or Cham II+ lots of folks on this site can help you program it and there are manuals floating around as well.
From a slot perspective - this appears to be a good solid S+ machine that has many of the progressive components that people buy as add-ons. So if the price is right I would snag it even if you don't end up using the progressive at the beginning - you can always just pull the power to the meter and get rid of the ugly errors.
Hope this helps.
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Wow. I hadn't noticed the four 7's for 4 reel
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The S+ can support up to 5 reels.
I understand that 5 reels are common in Oz but I have never seen one much less a 4 wheel version.
This is indeed a rare beast - I would like to see the reel tray and see if the reel assembly is any different.
I am sure the wiring harness is different as mine has connectors for 3 reels. Is there 4 plugs or 5 on this harness. Enquiring minds kinda wanna know.
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Good morning gentleman!Thank you very much for the quick and informatial reply!
This slot is actually not in my possession. So when I buy this beautiful piece, I will send all required pictures which will help you to help me ( :dancing_2: ) to get the slot run. :)First of all it's good to hear, that i can "disconnect" the meter so that this bad "error message" is gone - problem one will be solved. ;)But the 2nd problem is, that (according to the seller) the reel don't starts after put some money in it - and that without a error code in the litter - or does "1" mean any error code?What do you guys thing - is there a chance to get the slot run when i exchange the small battery (on the motherboard i guess?!)?
Thanks for your hints and have a nice friday. ;)
BR
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In the only picture you posted it says Winner Paid 1 - which means that the last payout was 1 coin.
I doubt there will be any problem to get your slot working properly. The S+ are very durable and replacement parts when needed are low cost.
Why won't it run when you put money in ?? could be a variety of reasons - and more information will be needed to diagnosis the actual issue.
For instance when you put a coin in - does it go to the hopper or fall out to the coin tray, does it increment the credit meter or just stay blank.
Common issues
- No sample coin in the comparitor - if the machine was recently taken out of service then they would have emptied it of all the cash and likely the sample coin put in the comparitor.
- Although it doesn't show on the pic - I assume this has a bill validator - if so there should be a cash can. This might be missing so the machine won't play (even if its not needed).
- Often they remove the interior locks when a machine is sold - so the interior door in front of the cash can might be slightly ajar - The machine won't play. Closing the door or a small piece of tape to hold it closed will fix that up.
- Door optics might not be lined up so the machine thinks the door is open (this is unlikely as there is a 1 in the winner paid window), alternatively the optics could be damaged.
Nothing earth shattering..
You mentioned that you would need to change the battery ?? I am not sure what leads you to that conclusion as there is nothing on the slot that is indicating the battery is low ?
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As a soon to be slot owner there are a few things you probably don't know.
1. The theme of your machine is readily changeable by changing out the glass, reelstrips and 2 chips. You can often buy what is known as "game kits" that have all of these parts.
- You can change your machine into a 5 coin, 2 coin, 3 reel etc.... there is nothing that can't be changed though a simple game change.
2. You can change the payback %% of your machine by changing one of these 2 chips (called a reel chip).
3. On the main page of this site - bottom right there is a section called RICKS FAQs that has lots of information on how to do a game change, how to change various functions like reel sounds etc.
4. In this same section you will find the IGT Game Bible which has a listing of all of the various themes available and the various chipsets.
5. After a battery change sometimes the internal CMOS memory of the slot gets out of sync and you need to do a factory reset - this requires a Clear Chip - not often do you need to use this but having one around is handy so if the seller of the machine has a clear chip I would pick this up as well.
6. The bill validator needs to be reset after any game change and sometimes for other reasons (this is common) this requires a SET Chip - If the seller of the machine has a SET chip I would get one of these also.
7. Enabling or disabling some progressive settings also require the use of a Set chip.
With respect to the "chips" mentioned - there is a removable board that lifts out - this is called the MPU board.
There are two chips in sockets on the MPU board - Called Game and Reel chips. You simply pop out the Game Chip and pop in the Set or Clear chip, put the board back in and then you are able to change certain settings of the machine. You then reverse this process and put the game chip back in.
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In the only picture you posted it says Winner Paid 1 - which means that the last payout was 1 coin.
I guess I do have some concern that the 1 is in the leftmost position on the display. I believe that if it was indicating that the last payout was one coin, the 1 world be on the far right side of that display.
Without having the machine in your possession to see what it's doing or not doing, it's tough to diagnose it.
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Hello gentlemen!
That the diagnosis is though to say even the slot is not mine is completely right.
Today I have seen it "in real" and I have bought it.
I will bring it to my house at the end of July and then I will send a lot of pictures and questions. :EmoticonHelp4:
For now I want to say thank you. :thank_you:
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One further small questions... ;-)
Where I can buy a manual for an IGT s+ (includes troubleshooting instructions)? Ideally as a download version. :-)
Eric
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The manuals are pretty much useless. On the inside of the front door is a label with all codes. This site is 1000 times better than any manual
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I agree that the manuals are pretty useless but as a contributing member we do have a downloads section where you can snag the manual or another kind member might send it to you if your profile is up to date with your email address. As a contributing member you can also post to the classifieds for a WTB (want to buy) or WTS (Want to sell) ads. I however suggest updating your profile and do not provide the email in an open post otherwise some bot-net might scrape it and you will be buried in spam.
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I thought that a noob like me will help this manual. ^^
But if anyone can send me this manual (also for a view paypal-bucks) I will appreciate that. :)
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Hey Guys!
Hope you're doing good so far.
Since begin of this week I'm officially owner of an IGT S+. :propeller:
First start up shown the error 12. Battery was changed - error 12 thrown away.
But there is a new problem... Error code 61.
According to a lot of topics here the problem could get solved by press the "test" button for about 3 to 10 seconds then the error code 61 switch to 61-1 and so on...
My problem is that there is no possibility to come to 61-1...
Do you have a hint for me what I can do?
Thx guys.
Erich
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Did you press and hold the button until you hear a ding sound.
See ricks faqs on the front page.
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I already read that there must be a sound after press the test button. Unfortunately there is nothing while I'm pressing this button. :-(
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You might want to test the button with an OHM meter to see if it working.
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You mean I have to do a voltage measurement?
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Resistance measurement across the button. To see if the button works.
If you changed the battery do you have a clear chip ?
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Understand. I will check on that.
I have only changed the battery - chips haven't been changed from my site.
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Some S+ machine for some reason Need a clear chip after a battery change.
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Bad news. :-/
Which chips have to be exchanged?
Do you have a hint for me where I can buy those?
I have to say that I'm located in Austria.
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There are two chips that you should procure.
1. Clear Chip - used to reset system back to factor reset. You remove the game chip, insert the Clear Chip, run the clear, remove the clear and re-install the game chip.
2. Set Chip - this is used to activate the bill validator. This is done basically the same way. Remove the game chip, insert the SET chip, set the denomination, Remove the set, reinstall the game chip.
You would rarely need to use the Clear chip. Usually this happens after a battery change when the cmos has become corrupt.
The set chip is needed anytime you do a game change or after a clear has been run.
If you don't have a DBV then the set chip is not necessary.
Most of the vendors on here would probably send you a couple of chips even though its international. The other option is if you have an Eprom burner you can burn your own chips, and all you need is the software binarys.
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Are you pressing the right button? The little one right next to or behind the power switch
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@Jay: So I have to buy those 2 chips. Is there anything I have to know to buy the correct chips?
Do you know someone of this forum who will sell and send?
@Elvis: I have pushed the small white button next to the power switch - error code 61 occurred.
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If it's not allowed to post a eBay link inhere please delete.
On eBay I found 2 chips, which may help me to get the slot run.
Are those 2 the correct parts?
https://www.ebay.com/itm/254129953670 (https://www.ebay.com/itm/254129953670)
Fixed tiny font issue. -knagl
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The Set 15 and the 123 Clear chip should be fine for your needs.
The price is good, looks to be about $20 in shipping to your location.
If your looking for parts the people with Banner advertisements on our home page are great to work with. We don't sell banner ads the space is given to those who are known to be helpful to NLG members.
With that said - the price from Ebay appears good, and I can't see that international shipping is going to be much less regardless of who you go through.
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Perfect.
Do you know for what a SP731 Chip is?
Because there is a second set for about 16$ even with a SP731 chip.
Should I buy this set - just safety first?
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Your S+ has two important chips.
One is called a Reel Chip and the other is a Game Chip. Each chip has a number associated with it.
If you go to Ricks FAQ on the home page of the site - bottom right - there are instructions on how to get your machine to display these values.
Alternatively - when you remove your MPU board (large tray behind hopper) ---- *** ONLY remove with power off you will clearly see these two chips on the board and they are generally labeled with their numbers.
The Reel Chip is the theme of your machine. It is what makes it a 2 coin double diamond or a 3 coin Haywire, or a 5 coin triple diamond deluxe, etc, etc.... change the chip, change the machine.
- if your changing this chip you would typically also change the glass, and reel strips to match.
- The chips come in different pay back %%%, again I refer you to Ricks FAQs and something called the IGT game bible this will tell you the number of the chip for which game.
- Again if your chip has a payback of 78% and you want a 98% payback, change the chip.
- Associated with this chip is a document called a PAR sheet. (Paytable and Reel) - it describes the theme in detail, the reel strip order etc.
A Game Chip controls the behavior of the machine. Type 0 is the most common type of chip and is used with games that have no special features. If you were to get a game like Double Diamond Deluxe .... this game nudges the reels up or down depending on which way diamonds are pointing. Balloon Bars nudges up if the balloon shows below the pay line, SlamDunk nudges down if the basketball shows above the payline. I believe this is a Type 5 chip (but I am just going from memory here). Haywire is another TYPE and then there are Buy A Pay games that are another TYPE as well.
- The Reel chip will determine what TYPE of game chip you need.
- There are a lot of different Type 0 chips. Some had to do with different gaming regulations for specific accounting, then early S+ didn't support progressives so that was added, later support for linked progressives were added. Then later a combination of linked, non-linked and multilevel progressives was added.
- Depending on the game chip you have options to ring the bell every time a win is made (ie 2 cherrys) or just when the top award is there, or never. Reel sounds on/off etc.
- The options for your game chip is described in a PSR sheet. (Program Summary Report).
Coming back to your question the two most common type 0 chips are SP731 and SP1271. The SP731 has the option to play music when you win rather than just DING DING DING ... there are 7 - 9 songs to choose from. The cavet here is 1.) Your game needs to be TYPE 0, and 2.) the theme has to support the song capability (only about 20 of the 60 themes do).
The SP1271 chip was a major upgrade for the S+ and added tons more accounting features to the platform, unfortunately for the designers to do that they had to drop the music.
If your machine recently came out of a casino it is most likely that it would have the newer 1271 and as your home would not be subject to gaming regulations requiring specific accounting, a 731 is often more desired so you can set the machine to play music on the wins.
When you change from a 1271 to a 731 or vice versa this will create another error on your machine .. something like a 63-? or 65-? usually these clear (instructions in Ricks Faq) but this is again another case where a clear chip might be necessary if the error doesn't clear like it should. What happens here is that the CMOS gets reformatted for the different accounting functions.
Before you buy the SP731 you should check what Reel and Game chip are in your machine and cross reference against the IGT game bible to see if its compatible with your theme.
Sorry for such a long winded reply.
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Ok. So that's truly not so easy as it seems.
Remove old chip, plug in New chip... :-(
I have to take a look on my motherboard. I will take a picture of it and post it so I hope with your help I will get the right once.
Here is a picture of my slot - Austrian version. :-)
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For the Clear chip and Set chip - swap, press a few buttons, swap again, very easy.
Instructions for both are with Ricks Faqs
If you are changing Game Chips you need to make sure its the right TYPE so its compatible otherwise slot won't work.
The wrong chip won't hurt anything but it won't help either... ha ha.
...... Its kind of like saying Alcohol won't solve your problems, but then neither will Milk.
Worst case is that you would need to run clear chip again.
Make sure you look at the IGT game Bible for the list of chips, and see Ricks Faqs on a game change.
Once again a game change is changing glass, reel strips and chips.
Over the years I have collected over 60 different game kits for my machines.
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Please check on following link: https://www.ebay.at/itm/IGT-S-S-Plus-Slot-machine-RAM-BV-Bill-Validator-clear-set-chip-SP731-EEPROM/254153363543 (https://www.ebay.at/itm/IGT-S-S-Plus-Slot-machine-RAM-BV-Bill-Validator-clear-set-chip-SP731-EEPROM/254153363543)
Where I can see on that auction if the chips are matching with my machine?
There is no information (number like it's mentioned on igt bible) shown.
Or I miss out something in this auction?!
Br
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1. What chips are currently in your machine ? - This is fundamental to know before making any changes.
2. Once you know this you can make a request to the NLG community (in the Looking for section - as a new thread) PSR and PAR sheets for chips SS2299 and SP9922
*** the SS and SP numbers I just used are made up numbers get your chip numbers as per item #1
3. You can look up your theme in the IGT game bible (Ricks Faqs has the bible) at the top of each theme it says the Game type for that theme. Both the PAR sheet and the game bible will tell you what TYPE of Game Chip you need. The PAR sheet is just way more detailed.
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3 Coin Multiplier Black Tie (139A) (TYPE 0)
4. As you are looking at some Random Chip on auction you can again request a PSR sheet for it and that will tell you what TYPE it is. Or you can just ask and someone on this site can probably tell you.Or you can ask the seller - What TYPE number is the chip ?
Fixed font issues. -knagl
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I'm guessing his game isn't going to be in the IGT game bible. There's only three 4-reel games in there, and this is an international theme to boot. Hopefully someone will have the needed documentation.
Weissa1989: with the machine turned OFF, can you remove the hopper, remove the silver MPU board tray in the back of the machine, and post a picture of the board and the chips on it? Hopefully the chips are labeled.
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Any history you have on the machine would also help.
Is it directly from a casino or did it operate in someone's home before you purchased it. Since you are not in the states obtaining parts may be more difficult and expensive. Pictures of the mpu and the chips will help a lot troubleshooting your new machine.
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Hello Guys!
Thank you very much for your support. Tomorrow I will take some pictures of the MPU.
Hopefully it gave me/you all the information I need to get the slot run.
This beautiful piece should be a in working condition eyecatcher. :-)
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Here are the pictures of my MPU.
Hope, we'll find the correct spare parts.
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I found the number "SS6372" in following list:
http://newlifegames.net/nlg/index.php?topic=156.0 (http://newlifegames.net/nlg/index.php?topic=156.0)
But what I can do with this information?
Br
Fixed tiny font issue. Last line of text in original post said "Br". -knagl
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Also your game chip is sp1168
So... you can use this information to request the PSR and PAR sheets in the other area of the forum.
The PSR will tell you how to change your game options.
This will also tell you the TYPE so if you want to change game chips you can select a compatible one.
The PAR will show you your reel stop order and %% paybacks.
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Hello everyone!
Since a view days I'm owner of an IGT S+ slot.
First error "12" solved. Than error "61" shown - no chance to come to error 61-1 so I have to check a RAM Chip (Game Prom) and a B/V Chip.
Is there anybody who knows where I can buy the correct chips to solve error 61 and further who can organise the PSR/PAR sheets to get my slot run?
Thx in advance.
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http://www.newlifegames.net/igterrors/ (http://www.newlifegames.net/igterrors/)
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I already know that hints - thx.
But there is no chance to come to 61-1 by pushing the test button.
So its necessary to clear "Game prom" and the B/V Chip.
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Are you saying that your machine does not advance from "61" to "61 1" when you press and hold the white self-test button near the power switch for about 5 seconds? Are you holding the button down, or just pressing it? You need to hold the button down for at least 5 seconds.
Also, I merged the new thread you created here in the S+ section into this thread since it's all about this same machine.
I did create a new post on your behalf in the section to request documentation, asking if anyone has the documents for the chips that are installed in your machine. You can see that thread here, and hopefully someone is able to come through with some information for you:
http://newlifegames.com/nlg/index.php?topic=29101.0 (http://newlifegames.com/nlg/index.php?topic=29101.0)
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I hold down the test button for round 10 seconds but nothing happens.
Either a "ding-sound" or a switch from 61 to 61-1...
Thx @knagl for open the new thread in the correct section of this forum!
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Hi Guys!
I guess next week I will get my RAM Clear chip and the B/v Chip.
I want to start as soon as I will receive them. ^^
Should I start with clearing of the game prom or with the B/v chip?
Br
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Do the RAM clear first.
If you were to enable the bill validatior first and then did a RAM clear after that, it would just clear out the setting you had just made.
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Hi Guys!
Today I received my clear chip.
According to this description I put in the ram clear chip, start the machine, push the "spin reels" button that the ram gets cleared (shown 999).
After that I put in the SP chip and start the slot again.
Than the error 61 was shown - press the white button near the power button - nothing ever happened...
What can I do guys? I have no idea...
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Did you hold the white button in for awhile?
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Yep. For about 10 seconds and longer... :-(
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When running the Clear chip .....did you get the count up ?? and you landed at the "2 999"
Please see these instructions....
http://newlifegames.com/nlg/index.php?topic=16134.0 (http://newlifegames.com/nlg/index.php?topic=16134.0)
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Hi Guys!
Today I received my clear chip.
According to this description I put in the ram clear chip, start the machine, push the "spin reels" button that the ram gets cleared (shown 999).
After that I put in the SP chip and start the slot again.
Than the error 61 was shown - press the white button near the power button - nothing ever happened...
What can I do guys? I have no idea...
I think your problem is that to do the clear, you have to push the small white test button inside and not the reel spin button. The machine will then start counting up to 999. You want to do this at least 2 times.
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With the clear chip an instruction manual is coming with.
According this manual I have to push the "reel spin" button.
When I do this one of the small displays shows some numbers till it comes to 999...
So I will check what happens when I click instead of the "reel spin" button the white test button...
Hope it will help! 😊
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If your see the display count up to 999 then that it. I was always taught to clear at least two time.
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Install the ram clear chip, install the board in the slot, start the slot, press the test button - nothing happens...
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Sounds like their might be an issue with the button.
Can you post a pic of the button your pushing.
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I have disassembled the button but on the cables I don't do anything.
Do you need more/other pictures?
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With the machine off - can you test the button with a meter to make sure its working ? Visually it looks to be in good shape.
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Electricity is not my favourite topic... :-(
I don't know what I have to do?
Disconnect the button and measure the plug ins with a meter?
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If the power is off - electricity is not a factor.
You set the meter on resistance (Ohms) and when you touch the two probes together you should see the needle swing. Untouch they swing back. Simple Open or closed.
Then you can touch the probes to the button (where the wires are) and press the button.
If the needle swings - button is good, if it doesn't - button is bad.
If you were trying to get exact measurements of a component on the board you typically have to remove the component and test it independently to get an accurate reading. That is not necessary here as we are just seeing if the button works or not. Just make damm sure that the power is off before you do this.
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I will check on that. Hopefully only the button is demaged... :-)
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So i I have tried another button also without success...
I guess there is no power on the cables. Is that possible?
I have found another strange thing on the mpu.
I guess there are two chips missing. What do you guys think?
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Recap: forgetting the machine. If you set your meter to ohms and touch the probes together does the needle move ? It should. If it doesn’t Your meter is set wrong or needs a new battery and there is no point in continuing unless this test works.
Next: ensure the power is off on the slot machine !!!! Very important or you might wreck your meter.
Next: Touch the probes to the two spots where the button has wires. The meter should do nothing.
Finally: press the button. The meter should move just like the first step. If it doesn’t then the button is not working.
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Today I made those test according your instructions.
The meter does nothing... I tested it with other cables/plugs (to be sure that the meter is working and there is an electrical resistance (ohm)...
Do you have an other hint for me?
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Forgetting any other plugs, wires etc. If you set the meter to Ohms and just touch the two meter probes together does the meter move ?
If the answer to this is NO then the meter typically has a AA or AAA battery in the back, and it is either missing or dead.
If the meter is not working you cant use it to test anything.
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Can you slowly remove/lift up on the Clear chip you installed?
Check to see if any of the contact legs are folded underneath the chip body.
Don't be afraid to admit you may have possibly installed the Clear chip incorrectly, if that may of happened.
I've done this many times accidentally and I've been working on S+ slots for many, many years.
Sometimes I even put the Clear chip in the wrong socket as well....things happen! haha
It's no biggie and nothing will happen to the clear chip....just re-install it into the correct socket making sure all of the legs are in each individual socket.
Then power up the machine and hit the test button for a second and a half.
The chip should begin it's clearing sequence.
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I put the probes of the meter together and the meter shows a reaction...
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If the probes together cause a reaction you should be able to use a short piece of wire between the probles and get the same reaction.....
The button should behave the same way. No reaction by touching the two wire points, but when you press the button the meter should react.