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**Video Poker, Keno, Slots, 21** Gaming machines => BALLY Game Maker => Topic started by: shortrackskater on March 01, 2015, 11:07:37 PM
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This is happening on my recently acquired Game Maker which is an earlier mode. The sounds all work on the sounds screen including "card flip sound," but when I play a game, they are silent during the dealing. I don't see any dip settings for this. Any ideas?
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Someone has got to know this I'd think.
16 views and everyone is scratching their heads? :Scratch-Head:
I know this may have been a stupid question. But I searched the hell out of NLG and can't find anything similar.
I can't see that they're be card flip sounds in the sound test window but no card flip sounds.
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ok, I'll take a shot-
does this machine have 2 different speaker systems, maybe in test mode it uses the basic speaker but in the game play mode it uses the other (enhanced) speakers sound system and something has happened to that 2nd sound system? If you have more than one speaker have you checked that all are connected?
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ok, I'll take a shot-
does this machine have 2 different speaker systems, maybe in test mode it uses the basic speaker but in the game play mode it uses the other (enhanced) speakers sound system and something has happened to that 2nd sound system? If you have more than one speaker have you checked that all are connected?
Nope... just a single speaker. It's very similar to my newer Game Maker and sounds are identical...other then the flip sound not registering on this one.
I appreciate the response though. I guess all the Game Maker people have fled the forum. Hey were did the rolling laughing icon go??? This looks like him but he's not rolling anymore. :rotfl:
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I don't know any thing about the Game Maker, but in your options menu or some place else can you control the speed of the card flip? I would think it would be in a similar menu, or submenu, like 2.1,or 2.2 like you see in the setup of other machines?
Gary
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There is a setup for game speed and color of each game but there's no sound settings in that menu.
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Have you read thru the Game Maker discussions in the old NLG archives? There are a lot of threads about No Sound and Low Volume issues on the Game Maker over there. Here are a couple of them:
http://newlifegames.net/nlg/index.php?topic=1717.msg12389#msg12389 (http://newlifegames.net/nlg/index.php?topic=1717.msg12389#msg12389)
http://newlifegames.net/nlg/index.php?topic=27176.msg208541#msg208541 (http://newlifegames.net/nlg/index.php?topic=27176.msg208541#msg208541)
You can do a Search in the Game Maker forum for "sound" and a lot of threads come up. Maybe something over there will get you going on what is the problem.
In particular they said to check switch #2 on dipswitch #2, it is set ON or OFF depending on whether you are using enhanced sound with an addon deluxe sound board, or just using the standard speaker. You could try putting switch #2 in the opposite position and see what happens after rebooting machine.
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I did find those links earlier before I posted... but thank you, again!
I also tried dip switch 2 but all I got after re-booting was just no audio at all. I'm at a loss with this.
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You said in original post that it is an early model Game Maker, what is the model number? Is it similar enough to your other Game Maker machine that if you wanted to you could swap around boards or other subassemblies that might at least pin down what is causing the problem? Or could it be that the game software you are playing requires the enhanced sound board when the game is running to produce sound? Maybe someone before you got the machine installed some software other than the original software to that machine.
You are probably familiar with the following attachments, but just in case... :garfield:
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Seems like it is a dipswitches on the board that does it, but not sure.
Just looked at the legend rokgpsman posted for DIPS, it could be the Deluxe Sound?
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Shoot...thought I posted that here. I think I did in a PM to him.
Yep...tried the deluxe sound and I got no sound at all. :no:
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Okay this makes NO SENSE to me...
I am just playing the "Big House Bonus Poker" game. I hit a full house and the card flip sound APPEARS.
It will work fine until I press menu and go to another game. Then it goes away. If I go back to BHBP, it is still gone. It returns each time I get a full house.
For fun I tried changing card backs but that didn't do anything.
ANYONE??? I'm stumped. :Scratch-Head:
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If you play a different game and get a high hand like the full house or some other bigger jackpot does it also make sound then? On some of the Williams games I am familiar with they had different sounds and sound levels for low, medium and high jackpot levels. Maybe somehow, somewhere, the sounds for lower level activity is turned way down or muted but the higher level sounds are still enabled?
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Tried that... nope!
And, the thing is, I have another Game Maker and it makes all the card flip sounds all the time and there's no way to enable or disable them there.
I even wiggled out the sound chip and pushed it back in... no change.
Miffed I tell ya... I'm miffed!
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Can you swap different things around from the machine with sound to figure out what is causing the problem with this machine? Or do you think the problem could be in the wiring instead of any circuit boards? Is there a voltage from the power supply that is only used by the sound circuits?
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Are the 2 machines running the same mains? I'm thinking that might be it...we've heard before, on other platforms, that when they run short of space on the EPROM, sound is the first thing to go, since it is not critical. Or maybe it was never even intended to be there in the first place, who knows.
Compare the mains and report back! :wave:
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I was wondering if your games chips just have a problem? Have a corrupt sound chip? Like CVSLOTS said, a different version of software could be your problem, and just programmed that way.. I found that out when I got my Game King, it was running 5.3 if I remember, but it was different then my friends GK with the same software. He could do different thing in his Black Jack game then I could...
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I did re-seat all the chips. I also removed that particular game chip and rebooted. Still, not flip sound.
I'm headed home and...it's after 5! Something is calling me. :drinking_wine:
I'll do a main check when I get home, and report back.
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Mains are
V7M1000A0604-20
V7M4000A0604-20
Much older (1994) than my other Gamemaker (1999), but I don't see why the card flip sound would appear after the Bonus poker game... and then go away.
It can't be any wiring. All I can think is that it's maybe a corrupt chip... but I did replace that particular game chip with another exact game and got the same results.
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After thinking about it more, it almost HAS to be the software. If all mechanical devices appear to be the same, then what's left???? Hey, if you really wanna know, swap the Mains...otherwise, I got nothing. You can't troubleshoot if you don't have a "constant"....
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That makes the most sense to me. :yes:
My next probably dumb question is... can I swap the mains out with my newer ones or would it be better to just post a WTB for that particular main? I'm not up on mains...
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Just swap them! You p already have a Clear, so you cannot hurt anything! Worst case, we will have another thread here!
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Much older (1994) than my other Gamemaker (1999), but I don't see why the card flip sound would appear after the Bonus poker game... and then go away.
It could have been a glitch (bug) in the software that got corrected in the newer software once someone noticed it and reported it.
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Mains swapped...finally
And now my card-flip sound has returned full time! :applause:
Funny, the old mains had "bad" written on them and then crossed out.
The last person who serviced this machine was Joey! :propeller:
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Did you install the same version mains or a different one? Do you think the checksum on the chips you removed changed?
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Sweet.. :cool_thumb_up: Glad to see you figured that out.. How goes the CEI Project?
Gary
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Did you install the same version mains or a different one? Do you think the checksum on the chips you removed changed?
No - I got them from member Ricker. I'm guessing the - # at the end is the version?
The old ones were -20 and the ones he send me were -24.
Everything went fine although jurisdiction stayed locked. I think there's another chip in there for that but it all works fine.
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Sweet.. :cool_thumb_up: Glad to see you figured that out.. How goes the CEI Project?
Gary
I haven't touched my extra CEI mpu's in a while. I need to list them on ebay. I did sell one and now he needs help but I can't get him to post here! He's not computer-savvy. He send me probably 10 pictures of various mpu's from his CEI machines. I'll be writing him back soon and will strongly encourage him to post in the forum here, where he'll get faster help... from you! Ok and hopefully SolidSilver will chime in too. :applause:
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I can't get him to post here! He's not computer-savvy.
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That funny.. :24: Not computer-savvy, but yet want to work on a computer operated Video Poker machine.. Maybe he has a MPU and tray for the one I have?
Gary
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I know this is an older topic. But, I have a Game Maker/Gambler's Choice machine that does the same thing. The mains are:
V7M100005305-17
V7M400005305-17
It will have a flip card sound on Black Jack but, not on any of the poker games. The rest of the game works fine. So, how difficult would it be to find replacement mains? Maybe newer ones that would have a flip card sound?
Also, my game does not have any game eprom in position P10.
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Hang... I'll check what versions I have at home. Maybe member ricker will reply too! He's a pro with Game Makers.
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I know this is an older topic. But, I have a Game Maker/Gambler's Choice machine that does the same thing. The mains are:
V7M100005305-17
V7M400005305-17
It will have a flip card sound on Black Jack but, not on any of the poker games. The rest of the game works fine. So, how difficult would it be to find replacement mains? Maybe newer ones that would have a flip card sound?
Also, my game does not have any game eprom in position P10.
Hey hey,
17 mains are unique. Made for the Gamblers Choice, as were the games. You cannot change mains and use your game chips as the game chips were developed for the 17 mains only and used in foreign markets mainly. Does your money/credit total say "Bank"? Many peeps keep p-10 empty if they change games often. Since you have card sounds on the blackjack, it seems the card flip sounds are programed into the game chip, and maybe not enough memory for sounds on other games? I do not even know if you can change mains and game chips and work with your board as I do not know if a Gamblers Choice board was made different. Not much help for you, but a little info. The Gamblers Choice game chips will not work with other mains, but some of your games are unique and not available for the other mains.
Richard
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Richard,
Wow, thanks for your reply. You Sir are correct about the "Bank". I just thought that was there since this game does not use a hopper. So, I guess at this point I just learn to deal with the no flip card sound. Also, thanks for letting me know about the game proms as I was going to try to add one in P10
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Try adjusting your sound volume. The “flip†sound is flat so it is almost inaudible at low volume. If you get the flip sound at full volume, adjust the volume to your preference. Hope this helps :wave:
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You can add a game to P-10 if compatible with mains. Have to turn on game. If game is not compatible with your 17 mains you will know. A posted picture of the games on your machine would be of interest, as those of us with "USA casino" Gamemakers will see that some of your pokers are not avail. for our platform. Now I am old and I think most/all of what I posted is correct, but I have been wrong in the past.
Richard
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Here is a shot of the game options screen.
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I remember I had sound issues a couple years back on my bartop game maker where some sounds were there and some weren't and it was the sound chip on the board that was going out. I'm at work now and can't get a chance to look at the chip number but I had posted here on NLG, maybe before the site was moved.
Hope this helps, Jim