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Author Topic: Bally 809-ZZN Full Restoration.  (Read 73818 times)

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Re: A Bally 809-ZZN restoration.
« Reply #40 on: September 11, 2022, 03:28:41 PM »
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Wiring, I did find something not kosher in the wiring. I removed a aftermarket part. The burnt wires traced to the fuse, and bell. The wall ballast has two, and  I'm wondering if both ballast are being used or one. The factory install is one and the second one is not wired to anything after I removed the wiring that wasn't factory.  :Scratch-Head:
IGT model: S-Plus 25¢ 1991
Bally Model: V5500 25¢1995
Bally 3 reel model: 1114 $1.00 3 coin multiplier, 1977
Bally 3 reel Model: 1090-29, 25¢, 3 coin multiplier, 1979
Bally 3 reel model: 809-ZZN, 5¢ Mint Hotel and Casino,  5 coin multiplier, 1970
Bally 3 reel Model: 831-4Z 25¢ Frontier Hotel and casino, 3 coin multiplayer,1975
Rowe Jukebox Model: CD-100 Year: March 1990
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Re: A Bally 809-ZZN restoration.
« Reply #41 on: September 11, 2022, 05:09:54 PM »
some machines had a flourescent lamp on the door and another one in the top compartment.  Those games used the dual ballast assembly.

looks like someone had a bad ballast/starter so they swapped in the bigger assembly from a parts pile.

these days, most people change to an LED tube and get rid of the ballast/starter when the tube, starter or ballast goes bad.  The led tube runs directly on 120V and doesn't need the ballast or starter ... and it usually costs less than a ballast or flourescent tube.

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Re: A Bally 809-ZZN restoration.
« Reply #42 on: September 11, 2022, 05:33:11 PM »
some machines had a flourescent lamp on the door and another one in the top compartment.  Those games used the dual ballast assembly.

looks like someone had a bad ballast/starter so they swapped in the bigger assembly from a parts pile.

these days, most people change to an LED tube and get rid of the ballast/starter when the tube, starter or ballast goes bad.  The led tube runs directly on 120V and doesn't need the ballast or starter ... and it usually costs less than a ballast or flourescent tube.

Thanks, I will probably remove it. This one doesn't have a fluorescent on the top compartment. however I believe that a topper was installed on the top outside, and that is where the extra wires came from, I am almost certain.

Does putting in LED tubes loose value upgrading the slot machine?
IGT model: S-Plus 25¢ 1991
Bally Model: V5500 25¢1995
Bally 3 reel model: 1114 $1.00 3 coin multiplier, 1977
Bally 3 reel Model: 1090-29, 25¢, 3 coin multiplier, 1979
Bally 3 reel model: 809-ZZN, 5¢ Mint Hotel and Casino,  5 coin multiplier, 1970
Bally 3 reel Model: 831-4Z 25¢ Frontier Hotel and casino, 3 coin multiplayer,1975
Rowe Jukebox Model: CD-100 Year: March 1990
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Re: A Bally 809-ZZN restoration.
« Reply #43 on: September 11, 2022, 05:47:12 PM »
Just a little information, the Contact Plate on the hopper looks like this, a example of one in my junk drawer from a purchase of Bally slot machine parts.

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IGT model: S-Plus 25¢ 1991
Bally Model: V5500 25¢1995
Bally 3 reel model: 1114 $1.00 3 coin multiplier, 1977
Bally 3 reel Model: 1090-29, 25¢, 3 coin multiplier, 1979
Bally 3 reel model: 809-ZZN, 5¢ Mint Hotel and Casino,  5 coin multiplier, 1970
Bally 3 reel Model: 831-4Z 25¢ Frontier Hotel and casino, 3 coin multiplayer,1975
Rowe Jukebox Model: CD-100 Year: March 1990
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Re: A Bally 809-ZZN restoration.
« Reply #44 on: September 11, 2022, 07:21:57 PM »
the m-645-144 will be about as good as you can expect unless you find a wiper/contact plate for a 5-line-pay fruit game (e.g. 873-A disc below).  Those often supported a lot of payouts since you could get paid on multiple lines, and there were two sets of wipers fingers instead of one. 

should be easy to make one of those work for the payouts you need.

your m-645-144 would just need the 2 trace extended a little, and there's already room to do it.  People use copper tape or conductive epoxy to repair damaged traces.

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Re: A Bally 809-ZZN restoration.
« Reply #45 on: September 11, 2022, 08:25:34 PM »
the m-645-144 will be about as good as you can expect unless you find a wiper/contact plate for a 5-line-pay fruit game (e.g. 873-A disc below).  Those often supported a lot of payouts since you could get paid on multiple lines, and there were two sets of wipers fingers instead of one. 

should be easy to make one of those work for the payouts you need.

your m-645-144 would just need the 2 trace extended a little, and there's already room to do it.  People use copper tape or conductive epoxy to repair damaged traces.

I just put it up as a example, I didn't even think it could be used, I found it my parts drawer. What Bally machine did this come from?
IGT model: S-Plus 25¢ 1991
Bally Model: V5500 25¢1995
Bally 3 reel model: 1114 $1.00 3 coin multiplier, 1977
Bally 3 reel Model: 1090-29, 25¢, 3 coin multiplier, 1979
Bally 3 reel model: 809-ZZN, 5¢ Mint Hotel and Casino,  5 coin multiplier, 1970
Bally 3 reel Model: 831-4Z 25¢ Frontier Hotel and casino, 3 coin multiplayer,1975
Rowe Jukebox Model: CD-100 Year: March 1990
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Re: A Bally 809-ZZN restoration.
« Reply #46 on: September 12, 2022, 04:02:41 PM »
I'm sure glad I don't mind cleaning goop off of the parts, that's nasty, nasty gunk.  :no:

Looking really good. And it doesn't smell.
IGT model: S-Plus 25¢ 1991
Bally Model: V5500 25¢1995
Bally 3 reel model: 1114 $1.00 3 coin multiplier, 1977
Bally 3 reel Model: 1090-29, 25¢, 3 coin multiplier, 1979
Bally 3 reel model: 809-ZZN, 5¢ Mint Hotel and Casino,  5 coin multiplier, 1970
Bally 3 reel Model: 831-4Z 25¢ Frontier Hotel and casino, 3 coin multiplayer,1975
Rowe Jukebox Model: CD-100 Year: March 1990
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Re: A Bally 809-ZZN restoration.
« Reply #47 on: September 12, 2022, 04:43:32 PM »
the m-645-144 will be about as good as you can expect unless you find a wiper/contact plate for a 5-line-pay fruit game (e.g. 873-A disc below).  Those often supported a lot of payouts since you could get paid on multiple lines, and there were two sets of wipers fingers instead of one. 

should be easy to make one of those work for the payouts you need.

your m-645-144 would just need the 2 trace extended a little, and there's already room to do it.  People use copper tape or conductive epoxy to repair damaged traces.

Hello.
This is crazy, but I have a base plate, with the other stuff I had in my box and it looks similar to the 809 plate we were talking about. This is the photos that I have.





IGT model: S-Plus 25¢ 1991
Bally Model: V5500 25¢1995
Bally 3 reel model: 1114 $1.00 3 coin multiplier, 1977
Bally 3 reel Model: 1090-29, 25¢, 3 coin multiplier, 1979
Bally 3 reel model: 809-ZZN, 5¢ Mint Hotel and Casino,  5 coin multiplier, 1970
Bally 3 reel Model: 831-4Z 25¢ Frontier Hotel and casino, 3 coin multiplayer,1975
Rowe Jukebox Model: CD-100 Year: March 1990
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Re: A Bally 809-ZZN restoration.
« Reply #48 on: September 12, 2022, 06:44:19 PM »
Moving forward. Getting the door on, adjusted, cleaned everything, upper glass, cleaned, then installed, some cabinet work, adjusting the lock assembly..  :yes:
IGT model: S-Plus 25¢ 1991
Bally Model: V5500 25¢1995
Bally 3 reel model: 1114 $1.00 3 coin multiplier, 1977
Bally 3 reel Model: 1090-29, 25¢, 3 coin multiplier, 1979
Bally 3 reel model: 809-ZZN, 5¢ Mint Hotel and Casino,  5 coin multiplier, 1970
Bally 3 reel Model: 831-4Z 25¢ Frontier Hotel and casino, 3 coin multiplayer,1975
Rowe Jukebox Model: CD-100 Year: March 1990
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Re: A Bally 809-ZZN restoration.
« Reply #49 on: September 13, 2022, 09:23:37 AM »
Hello.
This is crazy, but I have a base plate, with the other stuff I had in my box and it looks similar to the 809 plate we were talking about. This is the photos that I have.

yup, the payout counter units are pretty generic, with the main differences being the contact plate/wipers used and additional switches mounted in a few places.  There are a few different pawls used to operate the switch stacks, but afaik when they changed the pawl design, they used the newer design going forward even if the change wasn't needed for a particular game.  Minimized the parts inventory needed.

if you look in https://bingo.cdyn.com/slots/809-N/pics, there's some payout counter pics in there ... tho not one showing the completely assembled front side.  There's also a picture of a trace repair, which is how you could make your 2 trace become a 3 trace.

https://bingo.cdyn.com/slots/929-1%20and%20929-2/pics/ has a picture of a payout counter front, but the 809 did not have/use the vertical stack of switches in the lower/left corner.

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Re: A Bally 809-ZZN restoration.
« Reply #50 on: September 13, 2022, 08:46:07 PM »
Hello.
This is crazy, but I have a base plate, with the other stuff I had in my box and it looks similar to the 809 plate we were talking about. This is the photos that I have.

yup, the payout counter units are pretty generic, with the main differences being the contact plate/wipers used and additional switches mounted in a few places.  There are a few different pawls used to operate the switch stacks, but afaik when they changed the pawl design, they used the newer design going forward even if the change wasn't needed for a particular game.  Minimized the parts inventory needed.

if you look in https://bingo.cdyn.com/slots/809-N/pics, there's some payout counter pics in there ... tho not one showing the completely assembled front side.  There's also a picture of a trace repair, which is how you could make your 2 trace become a 3 trace.

https://bingo.cdyn.com/slots/929-1%20and%20929-2/pics/ has a picture of a payout counter front, but the 809 did not have/use the vertical stack of switches in the lower/left corner.

Thanks.  :thank_you:
IGT model: S-Plus 25¢ 1991
Bally Model: V5500 25¢1995
Bally 3 reel model: 1114 $1.00 3 coin multiplier, 1977
Bally 3 reel Model: 1090-29, 25¢, 3 coin multiplier, 1979
Bally 3 reel model: 809-ZZN, 5¢ Mint Hotel and Casino,  5 coin multiplier, 1970
Bally 3 reel Model: 831-4Z 25¢ Frontier Hotel and casino, 3 coin multiplayer,1975
Rowe Jukebox Model: CD-100 Year: March 1990
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Re: A Bally 809-ZZN restoration.
« Reply #51 on: September 13, 2022, 08:49:18 PM »
More door pictures. Good news nothing was hacked up. I put in new bulbs, replaced the felt in the door glass, replaced the felt on the light covers pressing on the glass. I resolved the plug problem. I still need to restore the belly glass, the replacement tubes are on order. All of the lights are being replaced with new ones. The Upper glass was really dirty, I hand cleaned it carefully not to loose any of the paint.
IGT model: S-Plus 25¢ 1991
Bally Model: V5500 25¢1995
Bally 3 reel model: 1114 $1.00 3 coin multiplier, 1977
Bally 3 reel Model: 1090-29, 25¢, 3 coin multiplier, 1979
Bally 3 reel model: 809-ZZN, 5¢ Mint Hotel and Casino,  5 coin multiplier, 1970
Bally 3 reel Model: 831-4Z 25¢ Frontier Hotel and casino, 3 coin multiplayer,1975
Rowe Jukebox Model: CD-100 Year: March 1990
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Re: A Bally 809-ZZN restoration.
« Reply #52 on: September 13, 2022, 08:59:03 PM »
More good news, the electric lock bracket is still intact, wires, and I have a extra lock assembly in my cabinet. Very cool.
IGT model: S-Plus 25¢ 1991
Bally Model: V5500 25¢1995
Bally 3 reel model: 1114 $1.00 3 coin multiplier, 1977
Bally 3 reel Model: 1090-29, 25¢, 3 coin multiplier, 1979
Bally 3 reel model: 809-ZZN, 5¢ Mint Hotel and Casino,  5 coin multiplier, 1970
Bally 3 reel Model: 831-4Z 25¢ Frontier Hotel and casino, 3 coin multiplayer,1975
Rowe Jukebox Model: CD-100 Year: March 1990
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Re: A Bally 809-ZZN restoration.
« Reply #53 on: September 13, 2022, 11:10:11 PM »
I checked out the plug for the hopper. The wiring is EXACTLY like the 809-ZEE wiring diagram.  :applause:
IGT model: S-Plus 25¢ 1991
Bally Model: V5500 25¢1995
Bally 3 reel model: 1114 $1.00 3 coin multiplier, 1977
Bally 3 reel Model: 1090-29, 25¢, 3 coin multiplier, 1979
Bally 3 reel model: 809-ZZN, 5¢ Mint Hotel and Casino,  5 coin multiplier, 1970
Bally 3 reel Model: 831-4Z 25¢ Frontier Hotel and casino, 3 coin multiplayer,1975
Rowe Jukebox Model: CD-100 Year: March 1990
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Re: A Bally 809-ZZN restoration.
« Reply #54 on: September 14, 2022, 05:17:12 PM »
It's obvious that the slot machine is basically complete, I remove the belly glass bezel from the door and a metal filler was on the left side, if someone took it apart that wasn't A technician they would have probably tossed it.  :yes:
Working on the belly glass, the Bally glass is beautiful, in excellent condition. I replaced the lights, and it tested good. The good thing that is that wiring that hasn't been hacked. Life is good.  :applause:
IGT model: S-Plus 25¢ 1991
Bally Model: V5500 25¢1995
Bally 3 reel model: 1114 $1.00 3 coin multiplier, 1977
Bally 3 reel Model: 1090-29, 25¢, 3 coin multiplier, 1979
Bally 3 reel model: 809-ZZN, 5¢ Mint Hotel and Casino,  5 coin multiplier, 1970
Bally 3 reel Model: 831-4Z 25¢ Frontier Hotel and casino, 3 coin multiplayer,1975
Rowe Jukebox Model: CD-100 Year: March 1990
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Re: A Bally 809-ZZN restoration.
« Reply #55 on: September 14, 2022, 05:29:09 PM »
So someone added a extra ballast, (another member pointed it out to me) transformer to the machine after it left the factory and I got rid of it.
IGT model: S-Plus 25¢ 1991
Bally Model: V5500 25¢1995
Bally 3 reel model: 1114 $1.00 3 coin multiplier, 1977
Bally 3 reel Model: 1090-29, 25¢, 3 coin multiplier, 1979
Bally 3 reel model: 809-ZZN, 5¢ Mint Hotel and Casino,  5 coin multiplier, 1970
Bally 3 reel Model: 831-4Z 25¢ Frontier Hotel and casino, 3 coin multiplayer,1975
Rowe Jukebox Model: CD-100 Year: March 1990
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Re: A Bally 809-ZZN restoration.
« Reply #56 on: September 14, 2022, 05:36:49 PM »
On to the slug reject. It's rejecting nickels, I took it apart and cleaned the parts. One thing I noticed was that the screws were buggered up.
I pulled out a couple of European slug reject from my parts pile and used the screws, and a missing plate. Now back to the first problem.

IGT model: S-Plus 25¢ 1991
Bally Model: V5500 25¢1995
Bally 3 reel model: 1114 $1.00 3 coin multiplier, 1977
Bally 3 reel Model: 1090-29, 25¢, 3 coin multiplier, 1979
Bally 3 reel model: 809-ZZN, 5¢ Mint Hotel and Casino,  5 coin multiplier, 1970
Bally 3 reel Model: 831-4Z 25¢ Frontier Hotel and casino, 3 coin multiplayer,1975
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Re: A Bally 809-ZZN restoration.
« Reply #57 on: September 14, 2022, 07:35:15 PM »
I am working on a Coin Mech Inc. 5¢ Acceptor and I don't know if it is missing anything however it keeps rejecting the 5¢. I've cleaned everything, and I am stumped.
IGT model: S-Plus 25¢ 1991
Bally Model: V5500 25¢1995
Bally 3 reel model: 1114 $1.00 3 coin multiplier, 1977
Bally 3 reel Model: 1090-29, 25¢, 3 coin multiplier, 1979
Bally 3 reel model: 809-ZZN, 5¢ Mint Hotel and Casino,  5 coin multiplier, 1970
Bally 3 reel Model: 831-4Z 25¢ Frontier Hotel and casino, 3 coin multiplayer,1975
Rowe Jukebox Model: CD-100 Year: March 1990
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Re: A Bally 809-ZZN restoration.
« Reply #58 on: September 14, 2022, 08:44:22 PM »
I got the Mint Casino fob for the slot machine.
IGT model: S-Plus 25¢ 1991
Bally Model: V5500 25¢1995
Bally 3 reel model: 1114 $1.00 3 coin multiplier, 1977
Bally 3 reel Model: 1090-29, 25¢, 3 coin multiplier, 1979
Bally 3 reel model: 809-ZZN, 5¢ Mint Hotel and Casino,  5 coin multiplier, 1970
Bally 3 reel Model: 831-4Z 25¢ Frontier Hotel and casino, 3 coin multiplayer,1975
Rowe Jukebox Model: CD-100 Year: March 1990
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Re: A Bally 809-ZZN restoration.
« Reply #59 on: September 15, 2022, 07:23:59 AM »
Regarding the coin mechanism.
The little screw in the flip open magnet door isn’t original.
This screw is for adjustment and needs to be long enough to move the door in and out.

It appears the problem is, the screw needs to be turned out allowing the magnet to slow the coin.
Depending on how far the screw sticks out the other side. It could be possible to make the adjustment.
Usually a quarter turn resolves the problem.

But in this case it might take some extra fine tuning.

 

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