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**Video Poker, Keno, Slots, 21** Gaming machines => BALLY Game Maker => Topic started by: East2west on March 23, 2016, 12:46:06 PM
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Hey just got this machine it's from 92 buddy didn't know if it worked or not. Got it opened and on I have determined the battery is bad as well but machine fires up just fine but stuck in demo mode as well as it won't accept any bills nor will the light turn on for the bill but will cycle them out if you get one in haha. Just wondering where to start,thanks for any help
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Just a guess, but the bills cycling in and then out could be because the bill validator software is too old, doesn't work with the current bill designs the US uses now. Did you try a $1 bill, it should work if the bill validator is ok. Also, if it is in a "demo" mode the machine may not accept any money, coin or paper. Did you try coins?
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You need to do a clear on the machine and assign it a terminal ID as well as the rest of the settings.
Maybe someone else can chime in and put the instructions up? I'm on an iPad mini and its difficult to type!
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http://newlifegames.com/nlg/index.php?topic=66.msg408#msg408 (http://newlifegames.com/nlg/index.php?topic=66.msg408#msg408)
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That's one I was reading, from you - thanks Richard!
(this is what I get for selling ALL my Game Makers - I forgot everything)
If I am remembering this correctly -
Power up your machine, then open the door and turn the reset key. The screen should go into the service mode. Select CONFIGURATION and then look down to where you find HOST configuration where you enter the VGD address and SERIAL number. Just enter all 1's. Make sure to SAVE those settings, the exit or just close the door.
Report back and give us the good news!
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What else does the machine do to indicate it is in Demo mode? And I'm guessing you have rep,aced the battery, correct?
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Shortrackskater is correct. You have to set the terminal id. The instructions I have from way back are
open the door, turn machine on, turn the reset key, menu will come up, go to terminal id, I push #1 I believe 9x until the red save box comes up, press yes and you should be good. Good Luck!
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Hey guys,
Thanks for all the help and tips!! Just replaced the battery today... I don't have the audit or attendant key however I did order one and will come with my clear chip. I tried just bypassing the switch but it didn't leave that same screen. The screen says demo mode in the bottom and can't exit out of the screen. Even found a few different games to try replacing what's on there now. Hopefully when these come in I can access that screen, thanks again!!
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Also the lights on the coin/bill receiver is not on either I wonder is this due to the Demo Mode? I wish I could say what it did in the past but I just got this machine early this week
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Bill Validator will not be lit in Demo mode...
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Bill Validator will not be lit in Demo mode...
Roz can't he just jumper the wires on the key switch (power off first!) ? I don't have a GM anymore so I can't look to see.
Maybe it's better to wait for the key? :yes:
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What he can do if he doesn't have a key available is with the machine off remove the 2 wires from switch and remove the switch then bring the 2 wires thru the hole to the out side of the cabinet. Keep the wires from touching until its time to make contact. Touching the 2 wires together does the same as turning the key.
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There is more then one wire there is 2 under one crimp I just ran the wires to a on/off switch tried just switching on and off to mimic the switch and still will not leave this screen I got the printer problem solved just put paper in it hah
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Hey everyone.
None of us are too observant. All of his game eproms are labeled "DEMO" I don't think it matters if there is a terminal ID. But guess what Gamemaker fans. I bet none of us have seen the games "PULL TAB" & "KITCHEN SINK". Labels on mains are useless and can't see graphic chips. Extra wires on mpu are scarey.
Purely speculation on my part. I think machine was for salesman or at sales office. Pics of inside would help maybe. When ya get the key we will be able to access eprom smi #'s and main and graphic versions. The wires on board at mains are uncommon.
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Wow- glad you took a second look at the mpu photo. Demo indeed.
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That's what I thought as well been looking at replacing the MPU and also game
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Good catch ricker!!! I didn't bother to click on the picture of the MPU thinking I "knew" the answer! :duh:
But, on the other hand, I've never seen demo e proms before.
I tried to give you 100 karma points but it only lets me give 1! You deserve 100. :)
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Ok. Noticed something else. Has anyone seen a gamemaker with ticket printer that dispenses ticket in coin tray. Pics of inside with door open would be nice. There are no bet deck buttons, what the ?
Richard
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Here's some more pics
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And some more, thanks for the help guys hope I didn't dump money into something I can't convert at least also check the last phone with total ins and outs and pays could that be a good sign it worked at least one point in time? Again many thanks
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Thanks for all the pics. You do have a horse of a different color! No hopper, takes coins, no bet deck buttons, printer in belly and not tito type tickets.
I wonder if hopper plug is used or is printer hard wired or plugged into backpane or what? Thinking you will have some fun ahead of you.
Richard
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Is that a hint to run haha.. Neat having something different for sure but not so much being my first machine haha. Any starting place? I guess any other way to access the control screen?
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You should keep. Is a rare one indeed. I think that some of the games may be class II, perhaps all? Does it play now? If so, can you print ticket after win? Looking at entire mpu board, there are wires and wires connected to eprom legs, and other places. Must have to do with software, printer, coin handling, etc. I do not think a clear chip will do anything. If you get key and can access service menu(door must be open), you will need to access some info and write it down before you use clear chip.
Richard
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Ok Great Thanks! I really appreciate the help and I def have a itch now
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No I can't play any games right now stuck on the one screen what do you mean by class II game? Sorry new to this all been researching for a while now hopefully with some new games, reset key and clear chip something might work oh ya and a new MPU board... Which brings me to a different topic the one I purchased doesn't match exactly with what's in there now I will attach a copy of what I ordered hopefully it's compatible
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No I can't play any games right now stuck on the one screen what do you mean by class II game?.....
Some places in the US do not allow gambling in any form. Other places called Class II allow it but it isn't the full-on (Class III) kind that Vegas has, the Class II places have playing limitations, and some types of games are not allowed. The Class II machines may look like a normal slot machine but they actually contain software that mimics a pull-tab game, a bingo game or other type of game that has a finite and predetermined set of outcomes. Often these Class II machines are in Native American (Indian) casinos. There is also a category called Class I, it is for fairly primitive games, mostly used for ceremonial events, no real exciting gaming that would bring in the tourists.
Use google to lookup "Class II gaming", there's a lot of interesting stuff about it and its limitations. The bottom-line is that it isn't the same wide-open experience as Las Vegas style gaming, but you can win some money at Class II establishments and many feel it is better than having no nearby casino at all.
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Cool it sounds interesting
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I know it shows topic solved............................but................ I still think we should try to correct current problem. If you look at your screen or pics it shows a small slot machine under the "Keno" game tab. It shows a little red box, which is your bill collection door or collector box. It thinks the door is open or the "cash can" isn't seated properly. I would check both. There may be a switch on the lock cam and it sets or trips when lock is closed. I can see a sensor on door of cash can. If we can clear this issue, game should work as set up now.
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Ok I will for sure I seen that symbol didn't know what it was.. Any tips on how to make sure it's seated fine and shut? Also how would I check these and the collector box
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I guess a little more info. Does the cash can door close and "lock"/knob that turns to keep door shut? To remove bill collection unit, use a credit card at each end, insert between bill collection unit and housing that holds it and with a little wiggle, bill collection unit will/should slide out. Would be nice if it is full of $100 bills, ha! They do make an extraction unit to easily remove the bill collection unit and I am sure one of the vendors here can help with that if you didn't get with machine.
Richard
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Thanks for the solid team effort Richard! I ended up drilling out that lock(hit it once with my centre punch and it exploded) open but does sit tight I could alway remove the mag and hold it tight against the other end as well... No $100s unfortunately... What is the dip switch for that's on one of my photos, it's just hanging there and well nothing will ever change that's state unless I switch it manually
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So I took the magnet off the door and placed it on switch but the symbol is still on, the bill receiver is sitting good got it out found the switch it's pushing that in ok... Should I try taking this apart and getting my meter on just to varify it's changing state? I also am going to add even more pics I see a pit of empty spots on a board in behind and don't know if that's right/wrong or if maybe it's just upgrades and swaps, thanks as always and I will get this!!
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So I took the magnet off the door and placed it on switch but the symbol is still on, the bill receiver is sitting good got it out found the switch it's pushing that in ok... Should I try taking this apart and getting my meter on just to varify it's changing state? I also am going to add even more pics I see a pit of empty spots on a board in behind and don't know if that's right/wrong or if maybe it's just upgrades and swaps, thanks as always and I will get this!!
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I'm trying to troubleshoot my attendant switch. I think if I can get that working I will be in a good spot... If someone has a Game Maker i would love to hear your outputs so I have 3 wires going to my switch (2 under one both brown with a blue strip) that was reading 0v either ac or dc ( I don't know what the voltage source would be from ac or dc) and the other wire is blue with a red strip that read like 5v ac and 2milv dc just wondering if this is a normal output or where the other ends go or even if that would be an issue.
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Yay I got it I got it I got it!!!!!!!! It was a loose wiring harness in the back
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Well I may have jumped the gun but it is definite progress will let me enter each game but screen is weird and still demo mode
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Kool,
You will always be in demo mode based on your chips. I see in your pic gm3 on first page a label that reads "pseudo coin", but can't see if there's a button. Have you tried? Did pic of small slot machine disappear from screen? See your a Gamemaker Demo Slot Tech.
Richard
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Just running through testing now I have lots of errors coming up EPROM test shows error on personality 3,4,7,8,9,10 just wondering are these my "demo games" and now that I can access the configuration screen any advice where to go next, sorry Richard i don't think I said it right but mine sounds the same as yours I think it was because the harness wasn't seated on the board tight
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That picture is gone but now says game play disabled no location
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So im going to add some pictures maybe that will help some more... It's saying bill acceptor err and game disabled no location.. Now if I go into coin/bill acceptor and click force com. Error it goes away but can't load the machine even with quarters I'll add some more pics but progress is progress
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Just an update this seems to be a hot page.. I got the bill validator to at least cycle ( found a random screw jamming the gears as well the connector attached to the light by the coin reciver was put on backwards so I think that was a problem also... I think I was too excited when I got into the screen and messed the terminal ID up.. Any way to reset it or change it it first stated there was none assigned thought I was hitting 1 but guess not again I love pictures so here's where I went and what I managed to mangle
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Nice.
In the picture above under the column "diagnostics", next to the bottom is "memory test". Touch, then find "eprom chksum" and "ee prom chksum". Eprom checksum will show you the games, smi #, payback %. EE prom checksum will show you the settings of your machine. These are the settings you set when you do a clear and reset. Best you take picture of these screens before you do a clear. You will have a reference starting point that way. I, and others, would like to see the above screen shots.
I think you are close to getting the current board running. You will need another mpu board if you want to run regular or known games available as in the casino(non demo eproms).
Richard
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Thanks again Richard! I'll attach what I have hopefully I didn't erase any memory from anything ... I also order a MPU and will be 2-3 weeks! So I'll attach what I see and hopefully I didn't more damage but it is nice having back up when troubleshooting!! I'm not seeing any percentages or any numbers... It just saying it ok or not... Am I in the right spot?
Thanks as always!!
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You are in the right spot. Your screens look nothing like mine. Anyone else have screens like these? I think your board has been modified extensively. I will take some pics of my screens to show you difference. But have to take my kitty outside now for a play date, lol.
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Ok great haha you can't neglect kitty mine reminds me daily! I hope replacing the board will be a good fix and I have a feeling your right with the MPU board I was tempted to eliminate the wires and put chips prongs back on board but I will leave it ... I'm also nervous I don't have all the harnesses because I did a test where it checked like external sources so I'm taking it like printer bill validator thinks like that it said I couldn't communicate with any... Hoping new MPU board will def help and hope MPU board is a good one haha :)
Happy Easter!
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Here's pic's of my eprom & ee prom.
Have you tried the saferam clear? In order for me to do a saferam clear I use clear chip in p-10, and turn switches 7-8 on sw1.
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I havnt yet still waiting for the chip to arrive then I will for sure
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Just a guess on my part. My and reg. machines do not have a choice of saferam clear. I kinda think you don't need a clear chip, but like you, I would wait for clear chip before ya try.
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Hey just an update... Seem to have went backwards I'm not sure what chip I messed up but no screen comes on just a blue screen and can here something flickering or ticking constant. Not sure what I did but ya no screen now just blue... The "replacement board I got looks like is was found in the bottom of a lake so I'm not putting that in(waste of $100) I found another one online that looks good and says it was working when pulled from the machine not sure if I want to dump any more into this any tips?
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If you decide you need another board, let me know. I have some from V7200s I could sell. Tested, working, new battery, and software available if you need it.
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What would the price be on those now this baby is an oldy if it's for
Some reason not comparable would you do a return? Thanks
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Just re-read your posts, and it sounds like you have a leg bent, broke off, or folded under...might want to get your bent screwdriver out and start checking legs.
And not sure where you buy your parts, but you should be able to return it if it was guaranteed? I think all of the vendors on here honor returns of a part of it doesn't work for you.
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What would the price be on those now this baby is an oldy if it's for
Some reason not comparable would you do a return? Thanks
What model is the machine you're working on? I'm guessing it's a V7000 or V7200 (I can't remember the difference).
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Ya I did I snapped a prong on 2 different ... 3 different chips ...
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The print out from the machine says it's a V7000 Version 0.0.1
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What's the model on the ID plate?
Actually, mute point now that you've found bent/broke legs...
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VMPL1PP-B0
I'm just wondering the board in it before wasn't properly functioning and was saying no location would replacing the MPU with a different board help me too
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That sounds like a serial number, but whatever. I jumped in late to this post and maybe I need to go back and read the prior 50 comments to see what you've done and haven't done. If the latest MPU you installed has bent legs on software, the MPU is not necessarily the issue, it's the BENT LEGS.
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It is indeed the bent legs I was being silly messing around late trying to swap chips to see if that would make different games work... Ended up mashing 3 bad and didn't notice
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Well, straighten them out and see where you get. I wouldn't guess you'd come across 3 bad boards (in one machine). Now, is this the same software as you started with?mdodnt some guys see "Demo" on it?
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I tried to straighten them out and they snapped off
Sooo... Ya no fixing that and it was just 1 replacement I bought off a site but it's clear there's water damage on the board ... And I broke the legs off the 3 chips ...
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If you are bending those ic legs when you are prying them out of the socket you need to change your method and be easier with them. Otherwise you will just cause yourself more headaches. On some older machines it can be real hard to find a replacement software chip.
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If you are bending those ic legs when you are prying them out of the socket you need to change your method and be easier with them. Otherwise you will just cause yourself more headaches. On some older machines it can be real hard to find a replacement software chip.
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You have to handle IC's "by feel" so to speak. You can't just put 'em in and pull 'em out. You have to FEEL when the legs seat into the sockets and then gently apply pressure. Same with taking them out - you need to gently pry at each end (sometimes just a little bit multiple times) keeping the chip level as it exits the socket. If you pull too much on one side, the torque will just bend the hell out of the legs on the other side which increases the chance of them breaking when you try to straighten them out. A chip puller helps in removing, but I've pulled too hard on mine and bent legs as well. You just have to go slow and easy.
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Well just so we're on the same page yes I know I need to be more gental so saying you need to be more careful ... I know this I was being a dummy and Rambo ..... So is there a fix to the broken ones? Is it easier to replace the whole board so I know everything I'm comparable... So thanks for the tips on being more careful
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Hey all,
I think all of us need to remember that the original mpu board in this post is like no gamemaker any of us has seen. There are a number of wires attached to the board. These wires are soldered to many of the eprom legs on the board. With all of the mods to this board, I wonder if any changes were made to the mother or backpane.
There are ways to repair the legs on the chips and can be found by searching this site. Not that easy and does require some skill. Good to copy or save file on chip if possible before use. Are the broken legs from the orig chips on orig board? I still think your machine was never in a casino. With all of your game eproms labeled "demo" it's not like most of us know as "Stuck in demo mode", which deals with the terminal I.D. issue.
If you can get back to your earlier status with games and diag. screens there may be hope.
Richard
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I got angry one day and took the wires off the board it didn't. Change a thing but quality of the picture and yes from original board that broke right off ..... I'm one sad panda and this may become a expensive light....
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Does anyone know of a company or anyone that might be able to help me? Maybe make rewrite some eeproms for me?? It is 3 legs on 3 different chips thanks for the help... Or if someone was interested I woul send my board and all to see if we can get it working... And if someone wants to purchase this headache I'm sure we could arrange that also haha thanks guys for the help
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Have you checked on getting another mpu board and just throwing that one away?
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I have but many people don't know if it will be comparable with my machine(lol) and I havnt found someone willing to let me try one on the machine and return if it doesn't work but if anyone is willing I'd love to try it out!
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Hopefully someone knowledgeable on these machines can give good advice or suggestions about replacement mpu boards. If not and you find a replacement mpu board for a low enough cost it might be worth getting it just on the chance it will work, especially if you don't have a lot of money invested in the machine. In general, these machines don't seem to be as popular as other slot machines so there may not be a lot of people strongly familiar with them.
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So I just ordered a MPU hoping maybe it will be what I need... Wonder what will happen with this unit. Seeing it doesn't have and max bet buttons or a many buttons... What's perditions, work. Work with flaws ... Orrrrrr not work at all???
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So got the new board today... Thinking I will need to replace the battery on the board but this screen is coming up now any suggestions?
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Silly question but did you restart the machine?
Make sure all your IC's/ EPROMs are firmly seated, no bent legs etc.
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Do you mean turn main power off and on again. I did that and even tried bypass key .. Nothing I don't see a physical reset button on this board like the original one had I will check to make sure all EPROMs are good
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Check battery voltage. Also check the DIP switch settings and let us know.
Do you or do you not have a clear chip?
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Just checked the eeproms all are good.. Battery is dead, and I do have a clear ram chip. Going to have to get a new battery before any further progress the batty in my existing is a replacement I put in that's almost half the physical size but same voltage do I don't know if I will be able to span the legs haha
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Hey guys! I got the new Battery installed today. Put the clear chip in as well as flipped ds1 7&8 and did the clear .... Now I'm showing this screen and refer to original photos I guess I have a dinasour... Thanks for any advice becuase I can't get out of this screen... Not sure why the photos are going sideways when I upload either ... Sorry!!
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No need to post two same pictures. I deleted one and flipped the other.
I'm sure there will be help on the way!
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You're in a settings screen. You need to set these to "activate" the machine. You use the key switch and play buttons to set each one. Once you make the setting you "key switch" and it goes down to the next.
Do you have these instructions?
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No I don't nor do I have buttons... I only have one the change button I'll add a photo.. When I use the key switch nothing happens not when I use this button..
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I haven't been involved much in this thread. Hopefully someone will chime in and help. There probably will be one button that might work to select the settings. Then, when you turn the key that will save the setting and advance down to the next. Try pressing the button and see if the first selection under JURISDICTION will change from "not selected" to one, two, three, etc. If you see ONE, then turn the key and it should save that and drop to the next.
These are the typical settings for this machine, but these are for normal Game Makers... so who knows what will happen here. But it's worth a try. Some settings will be default and won't let you change them.
Jurisdiction – ONE
SAS – 2.83
Chassis Type – UPRIGHT
Coin Acceptor – COIN ACCEPTOR
Bill Acceptor – JCM DBV
Hopper – COIN
Door Type – MECHANICAL
Double Down – ON
Tournament – ON
Primary Host – NONE
Secondary Host – NONE
EFT – DISABLE
Secondary Device – NONE
Typical settings for a V7200 model are as follows:
Jurisdiction – ONE
Primary Host – NONE
Secondary Host – NONE
SAS – NONE
Chassis Type – UPRIGHT
Coin Acceptor – COIN ACCEPTOR and COD BOARD
Bill Acceptor – JCM WBA
Hopper – COIN
Door Type – PULSED OPTIC
Double Down – OFF
Tournament – OFF
EFT – DISABLE
Secondary Device - NON
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Hey, a couple of thoughts,
Have you tried the pseudo coin button at top of cabinet(probably does nothing)? Someone here may have a model similar to yours(7000 series) and can look and see the wire colors for the "start button", and that's provided you have the button wiring harness to the door/button area.
Richard
Afterthought: I mentioned earlier that modifications may or may not have been made to the motherboard/backpane. These mods would have been wires added, like on your original main board.
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I have my Gamemaker in demo mode. I like it in demo mode only because you dont have to mess around with currency or the coins. Just my opinion. Good luck with your machine.