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**Reel Slots** Gaming Machines => Bally Reel Games => Topic started by: Bikertrash00 on November 29, 2023, 06:45:48 AM
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Well I sold my Triple Diamond and decided to pull out the Bally E-Series I was working on 3 years ago. Spent some time getting the black shafts freed up (solenoid shaft was completely froze), got everything freed up and lubricated. I had a reel reader that had a bad bulb so figured out which bulb and replaced it. Put everything back in and fired it up, ran test 8 a couple times worked great! Shut the door and put coin in pulled handle, instant tilt and wheels kept spinning and error code 41, double checked reel 1 and it was free not hitting reader or anything else. Found the thread "Eseries Reader Diagnosis for Dummies" by GOS (2016), pulled the M7 chip and of course bent and broke 1 pin (Oh No!) Being I had the chip out I went ahead and did the diagnosis, Aligned the 3 reels on the first position of payline and my win meter showed 1 22 therefore reading correctly, it states if any position is failing I would get a value other than 22.
So I guess my first step to move forward would be to get a new chip or repair the broken pin? Then continue diagnosing the 41 error.
Thanks again for you help!!!!!
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Update, fixed broken pin on chip, still getting error 41, went ahead and moved reel readers and it stays at error 41 so error does not follow board. Any ideas on what could be causing the error?
Thanks again!
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Well how did you fix a broken pin on an IC chip? Do tell!
Your machine looks similar to mine. I'm trying to fix my e2000 my wife "won" in a neighborhood giveaway.
Can you do Test 3, for switches? If you can, post the results.
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Lol I knew somebody would ask, a very small gauge copper solid core wire, solder low heat. I tinned the copper with solder and just enough heat to get it attached, I was worried about heat and the chip but I figured I had nothing to lose. After solder took the Dremel and ground copper a little to make it flat and thinner.
Test number 3 shows all my switches working with the proper code, Input port #1 should be correct because display does show 120 after coin switch.
Not sure about the Input ports 2-6 and the dip switches, did not understand if or how to test those.
Thanks for the reply!
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Lol I knew somebody would ask, a very small gauge copper solid core wire, solder low heat. I tinned the copper with solder and just enough heat to get it attached, I was worried about heat and the chip but I figured I had nothing to lose. After solder took the Dremel and ground copper a little to make it flat and thinner.
Test number 3 shows all my switches working with the proper code, Input port #1 should be correct because display does show 120 after coin switch.
Not sure about the Input ports 2-6 and the dip switches, did not understand if or how to test those.
Thanks for the reply!
Excellent work! Unfortunately, I'm not going to be much help to you, but hopefully draw some attention to your problem. Looks like you've done plenty of searches on Code 41 errors. My limited memory suggests reel issues. I'm off to find that post on 'Eseries Reader Diagnosis for Dummies'. Don't think I've seen that yet.
Best wishes.
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Somebody also posted about error 41 and if he turns the slot on and lets it run for a couple hours his 41 code goes away, tried that last night and no change. I also read that some chips are more sensitive and changing chip takes care of it. I will keep researching.
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Anybody have any suggestions? The error does not follow the reel reader, the other test showed the reels were lined up reading 1.22, I am assuming it could be a problem with the main reader board? I am so close to getting it functioning it's frustrating at this point. Could be a chip being to sensitive?
Thanks again!
Scott
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Have you looked at this, found in another thread discussing Error 41?
'If it isn't reading any of the reels when using test 5 then it is likely the reel reader decoder which sits behind the front of the reel frame.
It can also be the IO board, my guess there would be U8 being bad or possibly Q32'
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Do you have the 6 digit number on the M7 chip?
I may have a replacement if you do.
The next step would be to replace the M7 socket with a new one.
You may also want to try removing that wire repair for the broken pin and cut a pin off of a bad, or not needed IC, and replace the wire with the cut off pin.
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Do you have the 6 digit number on the M7 chip?
I may have a replacement if you do.
The next step would be to replace the M7 socket with a new one.
You may also want to try removing that wire repair for the broken pin and cut a pin off of a bad, or not needed IC, and replace the wire with the cut off pin.
It appears to be 501088, I have attached a picture
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I have that M7 chip and can ship it to you if you respond to the PM I sent you and give me your ship to address.
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The chip is on the way. A weak power supply can also cause problems.
Solder a jumper across the 2 outside contacts of that small relay across the board from the RAM board to eliminate power supply issues.
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Did I see that you sell new power supplies for these machines?
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Yes, they are being sold on our Ebay store, no takers on my NLG classifieds.
my byline says it all
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The chip is on the way. A weak power supply can also cause problems.
Solder a jumper across the 2 outside contacts of that small relay across the board from the RAM board to eliminate power supply issues.
Thanks for the chip and the heads up on power supply, I will double check the voltages and solder the jumper.
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The chip is on the way. A weak power supply can also cause problems.
Solder a jumper across the 2 outside contacts of that small relay across the board from the RAM board to eliminate power supply issues.
Just want to verify this is the relay you are talking about.
FYI my power supply is 5.03v 7.60v & 10.77v
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yes, the leads in both ends get soldered together with a jumper.
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Here is a picture of the relay mod and accounting battery, not original but does not hold voltage.
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I put a sticky at the E-Series section on how to put in a LiIon battery and a diode.
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I put a sticky at the E-Series section on how to put in a LiIon battery and a diode.
Yep I looked at it before, the battery I saw somebody else suggested was non-rechargeable (https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B082GGDZGK/ref=ox_sc_act_title_2?smid=ARMK6YILTU4P7&psc=1 (https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B082GGDZGK/ref=ox_sc_act_title_2?smid=ARMK6YILTU4P7&psc=1)) so I will keep looking.
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Well after different M7 chip and relay mod still have error 41, is there a way to test the decoder board? was going to pull out decoder board but that appears tricky, removed nuts and there is another set of nuts betut between board and chassis.
Is this my next step? https://newlifegames.com/nlg/index.php?topic=39599.msg209288#msg209288
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unplug the decoder board, leave it mounted on the frame, clean the metal header pins with an eraser then reassemble and see if that helps.
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unplug the decoder board, leave it mounted on the frame, clean the metal header pins with an eraser then reassemble and see if that helps.
Cleaned with eraser even shot some DeoxIT in the plugs and worked them on and off several times still the same error 41
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Remove the plug on the reel #1 reader card.
Remove each pin on the connector, one at a time, clean the pin contact area with an eraser, spread the pin back out and use a razor blade to restore the pin flap position before reinserting the pin in it's housing.
Sometimes you will discover a pin that is broken in half due to corrosion, if you find one replace the entire pin with anew one.
If the above shows no defects do the same procedure on every pin of every connector connected to the reel decoder board.
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Cleaned & spread every one on the reel 1 connector put reels back in powered up and after a few seconds hopper starts spitting out nickels kept refilling until finally stopped. Reset closed door put a nickel in pulled handle and no tilt but reels kept spinning with no error, tried this a couple times with same result then all the sudden tilt and error 41, aaaaah was so close, pulled other 2 connectors off board same procedure put back in still error 41. Unplugged reel 1 plugged back in with a few wiggles, pulled handle reel 1 stops no 2 or 3, error 42. Cleaned and spread every wire in all 5 plugs and back to error 41.
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Pull out the reel mech and flip it over.
Locate the tiny coil latch arms that are actuated when a reel coil energizes, see the latch arms are mounted on a thin black metal rod.
Spin that rod with your thumb and forefinger. It should spin freely and the shiny latches should not move.
If any of them move while spinning the thin black rod remove all of the old grease from under the latch arms and lubricate the latch arms until the rod spins freely.
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Pull out the reel mech and flip it over.
Locate the tiny coil latch arms that are actuated when a reel coil energizes, see the latch arms are mounted on a thin black metal rod.
Spin that rod with your thumb and forefinger. It should spin freely and the shiny latches should not move.
If any of them move while spinning the thin black rod remove all of the old grease from under the latch arms and lubricate the latch arms until the rod spins freely.
Already cleaned both rods and all the levers before, double checked and they both spin free, I got some action after I cleaned the plug for reel 1 so I pulled reader 1 back out and looked real close at solder joints for the connector and a couple looked questionable so I reflowed the solder and we went back to error 42, pulled out the other to readers and did the same but no change, reel 1 stops then error 42, I will swap card 2 & 3 today just to make sure it does not follow the card.
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Pulled and swapped reel readers 2 & 3 with no change, seems like if I wiggle wires it will bounce from error 41 to 42 so I think my next step is to trace all wires to the baud connectors, strange thing happened again I did a reset and it did not do anything right away so I looked at display and I think it read 507068 for a second then hopper started spitting out nickles again, kept feeding and it kept spitting so I just shut it off for the evening.
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Frustrating. Hang in there, we're rootin' for ya.
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Hope everybody had a wonderful Christmas and have a Happy New Year. I will get back on task and start tracing wires in a week or two.
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Have not had time to trace wires yet but did fire it up the other day, put a nickle in and whola a full cycle with no error, tried again and 3rd reel did not stop, error 43! AAAAAh so frustrating.
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Do a test 3 and slowly pull the handle and look for the Arm and Kick switch codes.
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I did test the switches will the reels out but I ran the test #3 and as I pulled I got a 20 and then a 10 on the readout.
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looks like those are not the problem
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Also when I first turned it on today it started spitting all the nickels out of the hopper and showed the code in picture (507040), I had to hit reset about 4 times to get it back to normal.