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**Reel Slots** Gaming Machines => Bally Electromechanical => Topic started by: Scotty78 on September 30, 2015, 03:42:59 PM
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Hey all, brought another one home. Pics are attached. Couple questions. The agitator is missing in the hopper, I see Happ sells two, a 3 finger and a 6 finger? Which one do I get? Also, everything's works great on it until it's time to pay out. I set up a 3 BAR pay, the bell rang, but the hopper didn't do anything. Does nothing on any pays. Timer does nothing either.Initial checks indicate all fuses good, no blatantly loose wires, wiper arms on reel boards clean and making contact, and wipers on pay board next to hopper are all cleaned and making contact. Any thoughts?
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I almost forgot, I'd like to add a candle to this one, do EM's use a dif candle than the new ones? If so, is there a source for these?
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There's some great vendors listed on the home page of NLG. Check that out before you order anything. Look at shipping costs as well. Hopefully one of our old timers will chime in soon on your question. I "flipped" your pictures so they can be viewed without straining your neck! :propeller:
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Thank you sir! I don't know why the iPad always flips my pics like that. Going to look at the vendor page now!
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The Bally hoppers us the 6 point hopper stars. I would check your Beau Plugs for broken wires or bad connectors. These are the plugs that connect the hopper and reel to the cabinet. Your should also to see if the hopper spins, and some hopper have fuses too.
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Thanks Amechanic. I will look closer at the Beau plugs, I pulled the hopper and didn't see any corroded or burnt. I'll check the backside of them at the wires as well. The hopper does spin freely. This one has me scratching my head, and I thought I was doing so good after I got that Lowboy running like a champ lol.
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Check the relay stack on the hopper too for loose wires and the the contacts are correct. I use my meter to check the contact. Just because they touch, doesn't meen they are making a good connection. Also look for any wires hanging in the cabinet that can rub on moving parts.
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Post some pics of your hopper from different angels, maybe we can see whats wrong.
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Can do. Will put up some pics of it in and out of the machine. I apologize in advance because I'm sure they'll post sideways.
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I think the 3 coin stars were for dollars, and the 6 pointers for smaller coins. But I don't remember, and it probably don't matter.
AFA pay problems, set up a pay and then pull the hopper out and step the payboard up one step and then gently push it back in and see if that affects anything. You might also pull on the carriage (horseshoe thingy clipped on the payboard that holds your outer wiper fingers) and also pull down on the reels to see if moving the wipers gives better contact and initiates pay. If you can get anything to pay, that's a giant step. Try all pay combinations, especially the higher pays. Mechanically step up the payboard and then reset it to ensure that it resets all the way. You can check oldReno troubleshooting tips for additional help and suggestions. I say that only because I don't know what level of troubleshooting you are at....
Afterthought-- I notice you have a 1090, so the payboard and assy are probably separated from the hopper, so you can actually manipulate the payboard with it in the machine. And I would guess the step up solenoid on the payboard has a bunch of washers on it?? You can remove the screws holding the payboard in place, and move it forward a bit so you can watch it and step it up. Check your molex plugs for loose pins, as they are more likely to be problems than the old Beau plugs. Basically the power to turn on the hopper payout relay flows through the payboard, so it it is not getting juice, the payout relay can not turn on. YOu can also CAREFULLY using a pencil or wood stick reach back and push down on the payout relay to see if that fires the motor. Use the old one hand in the pocket technique with that trick.
We did go through this with another 1090-type machine in the past, and I think the threads are still up...? Anyway be careful.
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Making any progress on the hopper?
The 1090 quarter machine I have has a 6 pointed star agitator.
Power to the hopper is provided by the Payout Counter when it is set up to pay by the reel wipers.
If every winning combination where to be set up with no response I would assume no power to the reel wipers.
Page 75 in the Liberty Belle Book has good explanation on how reel wipers, payout counter and hopper work together.
Check for continuity probably at the reel wipers for power then to the payout counter then the hopper.
Then after that you'll find the problem in a very unexpected place by accident.
Good luck, keep us advised.
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Ooo, nice one! Could i get you to take some pics of the transformer, fuse area and the connection bar thingy like the attached pic
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Oooooooooookay. Reviving this thread. Apologies to all for dropping off the radar, had an assignment opportunity come up at work and had to take it. They wouldn't let me bring the 1090 to Greenland lol. So. It's much as I left it, and after looking at it with fresh eyes, it looks like some cobbed up wiring was done in here. I will post pics of the suspect areas tomorrow afternoon. Still no pays at all. I'm wondering if it was wired to not pay by someone. As always all help is appreciated. I tested all hopper switches, continuity is good open and closed. I really think it's way upstream of the hopper at this point. And the coin lockout seems to stay energized...
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Also, winner paid light does not come on for any pays I set up, and the win meter does not reset, it remains at 147 which is where it's been since I acquired it.
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I'm guessing if the counter still so stop says that it is not resetting the hopper check the zero stop switch see if the rubber button is hanging it up and I see it has been a long time since you started this post so let's get it fixed now
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Ok here we go, pics coming. For the record, I am not ultra knowledgeable on these. I know EM pinballs, and circuitry, but matching some of the slot component names with the part will take a minute for me to understand, so please bear with me. The 3 photos show where I am at right now. I can coin up (but that little coil by the mech stays energized), I can pull the handle, the reels spin, and index properly. That's it. No pays, even when I set them up. The hopper motor is free and not bound up. Any and all help is appreciated. I am standing by with with my meter and a willingness to learn. If anyone needs more photos of anything, please let me know and I'll be glad to take them. :thank_you:
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This would be the zero stop switch a better picture on your end would be appreciated and if you do not have the manual you can go to my Facebook page go down about 30 or 40 post and download it it will save you a lot of time
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Check the payout relay mounted on the hopper top left corner approximately above the beau-plug.To begin with test the coil to see if it's working, inspect for loose or broken wires.Then make sure the contacts are clean and making contact with it mate. Contacts can appear to be closed, but still no continuity. Best to beep all contacts to be sure.
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Ok... interesting. Zero stop switch, check. Contacts were dirty on the switch, used a business card to clean them, they ring out clear now. I put the hopper back in, plugged it in and... it will not coin up anymore. I put 1-3 coins in, the coin accepted light comes on, but the chime doesn't ring with each coin drop like it did before, and the handle won't pull, unless I open the door and pull back on the pawl with my finger.
I have attached what I hope is a better picture of the zero stop switch... and I apologize for their being sideways, I don't know how to make it stop doing that...
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Push the hopper diagonally back and forth in and out just a 1/4 of and in or so.
Might be a weak connection. This happens every so often when replacing units.
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Push the hopper diagonally back and forth in and out just a 1/4 of and in or so.
Might be a weak connection. This happens every so often when replacing units.
Did this, and cleaned all the switch contacts again. Machine now coins up, chime rings again for each coin, handle pulls, but still no pays. I reset the pay board I think. The pay board does not move at all through all my handle pulls, nor my forced pays. Is that bad?
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Discovered Winner Paid light socket was inop. Repaired. Winner Paid light stays on. Still no pays. Light dies not go out when coined up and handle pulled after a pay scenario.
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Where are your payboard wiper fingers setting?
Sounds like no hopper reset. Clean '0' sw & 'B' sw
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This is where the fingers are set after I manually reset the pay board.
I cleaned the zero stop switch, the B switch is on the side of the reel mechs correct?
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I got the Winner Paid light to go out. I had to push down on the coil on the back of the pay board. Coin meter did not reset however, and pay board does not index on its own with gameplay.
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Where are your payboard wiper fingers setting?
Sounds like no hopper reset. Clean '0' sw & 'B' sw
Cleaned zero and B switches. Verified good contact with meter. No change in machine operation. :EmoticonHelp4:
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Does this coin switch wiring look correct for a 1090? I've been going through old threads looking for any clues and stumbled across a miswired coin switch that wasn't allowing pays...
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I will start saying yes but you do need to look at the switch closely yellow should go to Common blue should go to normally open orange should go to normally closed and you should test a switch with a meter
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Bingo. Wiring correct but the NO is closed all the time. Could this be the solution to my problem??? I'll swap it with the overflow coin switch and find out...
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If you unhook the wire and it is closed it will reset the coin switch as soon as the A&C switch reset on the real machine and it will not pay
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Looks like I jumped the gun. Switch is actually good. But the normally open rings out through the common wire. Once disconnected the switch operates properly.
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When the coin switch is pressed down it trips the coin relay on the hopper. When the wire returns it trips the handle releaseTry this with the machine on, press and hold the switch down. Listen for the coin relay to trip when doing so.Now release the switch wire and the handle release will activate.Also pay attention to the accuall switch wire, make sure it moves freely in both direction.If I get to the shop later I'll double check the wiring on the 1090 I have.
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You need to follow the theory of operation.
When you are diagnosing a machine you start with coin in coin goes in activate screen relay coin relay activates handle release solenoid if you do not have the manual go to my Facebook page go down 20 or 40 post you will see where you can download the manual I believe around page 18 is a basic 3 coin or five coin multiplier get the coin in circuitry working proper first then the hopper reset circuit must work proper first then we look at payout many issues can cause it not to pay out on a 1090 it's not as simple as the earlier machines there are a lot more features they put on the newer machines to keep people from cheating I cannot stress enough theory of operation start with coin in what does it do what does that part do what does that part do onward and onward
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Ok. I downloaded the manual, thank you. The coin in circuitry is functioning properly. I will go from there.
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Just an update on this, I have not fixed it yet. I've been traveling a lot for work this year, but I am back on the case of the 1090. Will post updates as I have them.