Bally 809-f 1968

[SPN]

I’m restoring this 809-f and it sees to have the wrong reel strips and wrong stop index wheels..

Does anyone know the 809-f and I know by trying that it’s not the same as 809-b

I also looking for the reel strips, stop index wheels, reel and top glass for the 809 if anyone have this glass for sale

It does not have the payout unit only the counter unit and I have never seen any machine before having it on the top like this, have anyone here seen it before?

Can this be a machine made for export or is it a us model?

Thanks

[wolftalk]

looks like you have an 809-f cabinet and top glass, but the rest ...

when it left the factory, the 809-f was the same as the 5 cent version of the 809-b.  There were tape and index disc differences between 809-b's for different coins.

I don't know how many machines used reel tapes with 8-ball symbols ... most were 742-A machines.

your reel glass is inconsistent with the top glass for some payouts, so it looks like someone assembled a game from pieces.  I assume it's no longer a multiplier machine, so it's acting more like a 742-A?

to ID the reel mech, are there any markings on the wiper boards in black pen?  If not, what codes are stamped into the index discs?

to id the tapes, either write down the symbols as they appear from top to bottom (top symbol is where you see the tape overlap) or remove the top of the tape from the tin and look for the code written on the underlapped section for reel 1.  It'd be something like m-220- 791.

from the symbols I can see in your pic, the tapes are consistent with m-220-[791,792,793] which were used on a few "forty-niner" versions of the 742-A.  The tape definitions are below.

the corresponding index discs would have p-484-[239,240,241] codes or BF-49-[1,2,3] codes stamped into them.
 

[SPN]

It looks to me that both the hopper and reel mech are a 809 but since I can’t find any info about the 809f I’m not sure..

Here’s some more pics

Thanks

[wolftalk]

the 809-F is the same as an 809-B.  Even used the same schematic initially (w-1046-511).  Eventually the 809-B schem was updated to w-1046-1756

I don't have 1756, but the 511 schem is in the 809-B stuff on https://bingo.cdyn.com/slots/

your payout counter is not from an 809-F - it used M-645-118 for the contact plate.

new guess is someone took an 809-F cabinet, some glass and a reel mech and swapped in the reel shaft and hopper from a 742A-something.

if they didn't make any wiring changes on the reel wiper boards, then the payouts probably don't match the glass. 

it looks like you have a score motor with one cam, which wouldn't be enough to do odds multiplying unless all the multiplying stuff is still in the top compartment and the motor/cam is just generating pulses (faking a coin exiting the hopper) ... which would work.

I guess you need to decide whether to make the game work like the top glass says (change the reel tapes), or if you don't have the pieces, you'd need to replace the top glass with something that matches the tapes.

next step is probably stick the reels on symbols that don't match the glass and see if/how they are wired on the reel wiper boards.   Your tapes have melons, 8-balls and I assume 7's that aren't on the glass, and the glass has double and triple bars that aren't on the tapes.

[kjnuke]

Those reel strips you have are for an 809 forty niner. I have a 809-ZZE forty niner with those reel strips and the correct upper glass. I was told to be careful with that that upper glass, as it would be almost impossible to find a replacement.
Probably be easier to replace the strips if you can find them. I think the triple bar machines were more common.

[SPN]

How does your 809 ZZE upper glass look like?

[kjnuke]

I'll try and figure out how to upload a picture of mine for you.
There's a lot going on with that machine. Would be interesting to see what's behind that upper glass and if the multipliers and everything else is still there with that score motor on top.
809-F is a triple bar machine, so I'm assuming the upper glass is correct for it symbol wise, not sure of the payouts though. It also has the wrong reel tapes.
Also, per wolftalk, the payboard is not the correct one.
You'll also need to source a reel glass for it that is correct.

[kjnuke]

Here's a picture of my upper glass.

[kjnuke]

The payout counter on my 809-ZZE is the same as yours (96). So it seems that it should pay as your reel tapes on that machine. Maybe wolftalk can expand on that.

[keystone9]

I'll take that upper glass if you change it out.

[wolftalk]

Those reel strips you have are for an 809 forty niner. I have a 809-ZZE forty niner with those reel strips and the correct upper glass. I was told to be careful with that that upper glass, as it would be almost impossible to find a replacement.

nice!  I missed the forty-niner versions of the 809 when looking at reel tapes.

your payout counter disc cannot support the payouts on you glass.  You need a 20 trace, and the M-645-96 disc doesn't have one.  You could get creative with modifying the -96 board to work, but it'd be very kludgy.  Be better if you can find a board that supports the pays you need.    However, it's possible and then you'd just need to change the tapes.

the unknown is your slotted reel index discs.  Need the code numbers stamped into them.

right now:
- your reel tapes and payout counter would work for a forty-niner machine, but not an 809B/F
- your glass is an 809B/F.
- the index discs are unknown
- reel wiper wiring is unknown.  While they may have started life as 809-F's, rewiring the contact plate and changing wiper finger connections is easy.

[SPN]

Thanks for your help and feedback about this strange game and I have decided to put the machine away and maybe use it as a part machine, so it’s back in  storage and I rather start on another project

I really appreciated it and now I know a lot more about this machine