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**Reel Slots** Gaming Machines => IGT S and S-plus Reel Games => Topic started by: NHBFan on December 10, 2016, 09:13:19 AM
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Hello guys! I Just bought IGT slot machines and no ideas what to do with that. At first i have to get know what the model it is. I suppose IGT S+ but who knows.
Help me to recognize it please by pictures
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Welcome to NLG. Yes your MPU board is a 10Mhz S+ board. Post some pics and tell us what is going on.
:NLG_WELCOME:
Dave
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Thank you!
The problem is i just bought it and i`m not an expert at all. i`m from country where are not people who can say they are so good in american slot machines.
so i just started to explore this forum :wave:
first at all as i understand i need to replace the battery and then clean memory. Right? When i will do it i will revert with pictures for next step advices )
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Post pictures. Are you getting any kind of number on the reel glass. You need to change battery if you are getting a 12 in the winner paid window. Here's a link for IGT S+ new owners. Go over it and let us know what questions you have.
http://www.newlifegames.net/igterrors/ (http://www.newlifegames.net/igterrors/)
http://www.newlifegames.net/spset/gamechange.htm (http://www.newlifegames.net/spset/gamechange.htm)
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Soryy for my stupidity guys
Disaster happened. I damaged the chip during removing from board. Is it end?
Is it possible to get information from it and burn to blanc chip?
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If you are very, very, careful, you can straighten the legs. I use just my fingernail, but sometimes a very small set of needle nose or tweezers. If one breaks off, you will need to get a new one. Not every machine needs a clear after changing battery. Normally only if stuck in the "61" loop. This is usually caused by someone turning the jackpot reset key, thinking it is magic and will clear code 12. Not the case at all, only makes more work. Good Luck and let us know if you need more help.
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But if i need a new chip. Where i can buy absolutely the same?
Where i can get information about type of my chip to make a request? you can see top of my chip at picture. My slot machine is Hot Peppers
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Was your machine working properly before? You have a SS chip for Homerun instead of Hot Peppers. You can go to the NLG Home page and find a list of vendors. I am guessing it is the SP114 that you have damaged, since you were maybe attempting a clear. You can also get the proper SS chip. SS4211, SS4080, SS8806
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I took it from some guy who kept it in his apartment about 10 years. The battery gives voltage zero. So i cant say if it was working or not. I was not able to move ahead 12 error.
And now this situation with chip damaging...
So i have wrong SS chip. What does it mean? Reels do not spin proper? Or it will not work at all?
I would like to buy a proper SS chip for my board. How to find a vendors on home page? put up a notice?
Chip information from ebay seller. How to understand which one is proper for my board?
4703 0 97.433 HOT PEPPERS 2CM
4704 0 95.134 HOT PEPPERS 2CM
4705 0 92.541 HOT PEPPERS 2CM
4706 0 90.058 HOT PEPPERS 2CM
4707 0 87.577 HOT PEPPERS 2CM
4710 0 95.070 HOT PEPPERS 3CM
4711 0 92.446 HOT PEPPERS 3CM
4712 0 98.958 HOT PEPPERS 3CM
4713 0 87.547 HOT PEPPERS 3CM
4714 0 85.068 HOT PEPPERS 3CM
6477 0 90.019 HOT PEPPERS 3CM
7289 90.990 HOT PEPPERS 3CM
7289 90.985 HOT PEPPERS 3CM
7759 94.000 HOT PEPPERS 2CM
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You have Hot Peppers 3CM (3 coin multiplier). If you have the wrong reel chip, the game plays, but the symbols and the payouts will not match. The numbers next to the SS chip numbers denote the holdback, the higher the holdback, the looser the machine (pays more often).
http://www.newlifegames.net/igtbible/IGT%203CM/Game%20Library%20-%20S-Plus%20-%20Hot%20Peppers%20(3%20Coin%20Multiplier).htm (http://www.newlifegames.net/igtbible/IGT%203CM/Game%20Library%20-%20S-Plus%20-%20Hot%20Peppers%20(3%20Coin%20Multiplier).htm)
Based on the available chips, your most liberal chip would be SS4709. But any Hot Peppers 3CM chip would work.
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Ok, now it is more or less clear
i need SP114 and SS 4709 (SS4710, SS4711) chips for correct working. Thank you alot for support and patience
Next question about fuses. I can see three fuses socets. Are they same amperage rate? If no, what fuse i have to put in each socets?
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From the top down the fuse amp ratings are 6A, 8A, 6A. Welcome to NLG!
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Ok, now it is more or less clear
i need SP114 and SS 4709 (SS4710, SS4711) chips for correct working. Thank you alot for support and patience
Next question about fuses. I can see three fuses socets. Are they same amperage rate? If no, what fuse i have to put in each socets?
SP114 is a really old chip. While you are at it, might as well upgrade the game chip to an SP1271 which is what most of us use now on the S+ for your game type.
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Starting from the top .....
Your machine is an S+ - the theme can be any available game
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You will want to pick a reel chip that matches the number of coins for your machine - then you can choose whatever payout %% you want. For home use we usually choose higher %%
The reel chip has a TYPE .... you then use a GAME chip that matches the TYPE.
Newer GAME chips have better options for hopper and credit and progressive jackpot settings.
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Thanx for replies and advices guys!
good news i brobably able to fix my damaged SP chip. But if i can to do it is there a raeson to replace it with SP1271 new one?
If SS chip manages reels spins and wrong type of chip means uncorrect matches while gaming but what does SP chip manage?
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The reel chip controls the theme, number of coins, paytable etc.
The game chip controls machine function. For instance with older game chips the max hopper payout is controlled by a dip switch on the MPU board. Reel spin speed is another dip switch setting etc. There are many more options in a newer game chip that negates the use of dip switches and much more finer control over credit functions as well.
So NO you don't need to change, but probably worth changing.
If you are buying chips you will want to get a SET chip and a CLEAR chip as well. The clear is rarely used but the SET is needed to re-enable your bill validator after any kind of game change.
This includes changing the game chip.
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Thank you jay!
SET chip is for bill validator only? I dont have bill acceptor
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The SET chip is typically only used for enabling validator. So you probably won't need one.
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another issue at the picture. i remove hoper and can see there are no fuses. Some wires connected each other. You can see orange-black and orange green wires connected directly.
to what fuse i need to connect this pair of wires? one more problem there is just one fuse cap. Is there a way to hold other two fuses?
Is this white socet at the picture is for power cord?
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Woah! Whatch out for old sparky! I am at work but I can take a look at one of my machines later if no one else chimes in.
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two wires (green and blue-black) connected to middle fuse socet. and another two pair of wires (orange-black/orange-green and black-brown/black-red) connected each other directly
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Hello guys!
Finaly started up my machine and it is realy cool. I`m happy :applause: But there are some new questions about setting. Is it possible to get won credits immediatly in coin tray.
Sorry it is hard to explain what i mean. An example: i put 10 tokens and won 5. Is it possible to get my won 5 tokens in a money tray but not add it to my credit amount?
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before you play, hit the cash/credit button. Then all pays will go to the coin tray.
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yes ALL PAYS. but i want to get just won token go to coin tray and my PAYS stayed as a credit
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exactly what I mean. When cash/credit button is lit, all coins go to credits on all wins. When the button is not lit, all coins get paid right away after each win, credits do not accumulate.
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ok i understand. But how to make cash/credit button not lit? I press it before play but nothing changes. May be becouse of my very old Game SP chip?
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You have to do it with no credits on machine. Cash out, then push the cash/credit button so it is not lit. If you play from then on, it will pay each win to the coin tray and will not accumulate credits.
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What do i do wrong?
switch on power
press Cash button (it doesnot lit)
put coins
when some matches Cash button lits and wins accumulate to credit
Video (sorry for quality)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4ds56fw8zXo (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4ds56fw8zXo)
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maybe it is because of your really old SP chip. Which SP chip did you have again?
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I still waiting for new SP and SS chips. so i still use my old SP114
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I would think that right now it is the SP114. Your tray for the MPU should have a label for the dip switch settings. Or try changing option 8-0 to 8-1. Open door push white test button next to on/off switch until you see a 2 or a 5 in win window. turn jp key until you see 8 in window, press spin button to make it show 8-1
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With that old of an SP. Look for 1-0 (or 1-1) .. probably a couple of pushes of the self test will get you there. Change the right side 1/0 to the other by pushing the spin reel button.
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Ken is correct. Not used to those old chips.
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Ken is correct. Not used to those old chips.
I can't remember for sure .. the chip isn't the only old thing around here.
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I have no documentation for SP114. I'm sure as soon as you get your newer generation SP, you will be able to play in "cash" mode.
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when you enter the self test modes( open door and press the white test button) as you press the white test button, with a "0" in the coins played window, you should see a 5_either a 0 or a 1 in the winner paid window, if the spin button is lit, then you can push it to change the 1 to a 0 or the 0 to a 1, I believe the "0" will put the wins on the credit meter.
Hope this helps
Jim
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i think i need to wait for a new chip. Will revert to question when i get it. New SP chip comes along with proper SS chip for my Hot Pepper machine. Hope to get it till Christmas
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Hello guys!
Finaly got new correct SP and SS chips for my slot machine. I replased old chips with new ones and put motherboard to slot. Is there anything else i need to do? Couse nothing happen when i turn on the power. No errors on displays and reels do not spin
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Double-check that you inserted each chip into its correct socket, that the chips are oriented correctly in the socket (the notch on one end of the chip should be in the right position) and that none of the little legs on the chips got bent over. Also check if you have the mpu board fully inserted into the motherboard, try removing it and then reinstalling.
All of this should be done with the machine powered off.
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chips inserted correct and no bended legs. does it looks like SS or SP chip issue?
looks like SP chip problem. is it possible my MPU is not suitable with SP1271? If so what SP chip i have to use instead my very old SP114?
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well it is seems my MPU board doesnt support SP1271 chip. I Put my old SP114 back and everything is ok. New SS reel chip works great and symbols and pays are mutch (see foto)
the only problem i still want to get my pays in the tray not acumulate to credits. As i undersatnd i need to get new SP chip. But if SP 1271 is not supported by my MPU is there a proper replacement for it
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a SP 731 is user friendly and should work with your game.
Jim
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Just an idea,,,,,,,
There is a jumper block (black shorting block) near one end of each chip, I believe these jumpers are set depending on the memory size of the eprom in the socket (like 128k, 256k, 512k etc). Perhaps these jumpers need to be moved to a different setting for the new chips you received, hopefully someone familiar with your mpu board can say. I don't know if SP1271 is compatible with your mpu, but it is a popular SP chip used in many machines.
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With that old of an SP. Look for 1-0 (or 1-1) .. probably a couple of pushes of the self test will get you there. Change the right side 1/0 to the other by pushing the spin reel button.
it helps me to turn my machime to "cash" mode, but now it starts to do double pays all the times. Seems i changed something else in settings. Anybody know how to return to normal pay?
Just an idea,,,,,,,
There is a jumper block (black shorting block) near one end of each chip, I believe these jumpers are set depending on the memory size of the eprom in the socket (like 128k, 256k, 512k etc). Perhaps these jumpers need to be moved to a different setting for the new chips you received, hopefully someone familiar with your mpu board can say. I don't know if SP1271 is compatible with your mpu, but it is a popular SP chip used in many machines.
moved pins to another position. got 61 error and then 61_1 by pressing test button.
turn jp key and got 65_3 code error
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moved pins to another position. got 61 error and then 61_1 by pressing test button.
turn jp key and got 65_3 code error
65_3, turn the Jackpot Reset key again. You'll likely get another error (65_1 or 65_2), that's okay. Follow the directions on this page:
http://newlifegames.net/igterrors/ (http://newlifegames.net/igterrors/)
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moved pins to another position. got 61 error and then 61_1 by pressing test button.
turn jp key and got 65_3 code error
65_3, turn the Jackpot Reset key again. You'll likely get another error (65_1 or 65_2), that's okay. Follow the directions on this page:
[url]http://newlifegames.net/igterrors/[/url] ([url]http://newlifegames.net/igterrors/[/url])
it works! reels spin but "0" blink in coin played box and coins are not accepting
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Insert coin and coin played should be alternating blinks with SP1271.
Change sample coin in comparitor and/or adjust sensitivity clockwise then all the way back counterclockwise in lower right of comparitor.
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big thanx to all for answers. It works good with new SP chip! The only problem i need to resolve is uncorrect pays. for example
if i won 1 coin it displey correct but hopper pays 1 or 2 coins.
if i won 5 it pays 6 or 9 coin
if i won 40 it pays 69 coins
all the time winner paid displays correct but hopper gives wrong number of coins.
The same with my old SP chip. i got this problem a day ago after trying to set "Cash mode". rpobably did somethng wrong.
Help please!
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In case you (or someone else) isn't sure where the coin comparitor sensitivity adjustment is:
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When a machine pays 1 or 2 extra coins that is often a problem with the coin counter on the hopper. But if it is paying 69 coins on a 40 coin win then something else is probably going on. Does your hopper have all the same coins in it, no mixture of different size coins? Check that the hopper knife is laying flat on the coin wheel and that it isn't bent. Also, that the coin separator is only allowing 1 coin at a time to reach the knife. The coin separator is a part on the hopper located a few inches ahead of the knife, mounted on the outer rim of the hopper, it only allows 1 coin to pass at a time.
You can remove the hopper if you need to take a better look at it. Just pull forward on it and slide out of the machine. Ensure power is turned off first.
Does your machine use nickel-size or quarter-size tokens? Sometimes hoppers have more problems with the smaller coins/tokens, especially if the machine was partly converted to a smaller size coin but the hopper parts are still for a larger coin.
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When a machine pays 1 or 2 extra coins that is often a problem with the coin counter on the hopper.
everything was ok till yesterday. i tryed to set sometning pressing white button and suddenly hooper gave few coins despite opening front door. From this time i got this extra pays problem. Is there a way to do full reset or something like this?
about coins. I use ukrainean coins (see foto) but as i said it was fine with them till yesterday
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I'm not aware of a setting that you could have changed that would cause the overpaying problem, but your settings menu choices are not too familiar to me. Others here will make suggestions as they think about this problem.
I think there is often a menu choice to test the hopper, it will pay 10 coins each time it is selected. But that only happens while you are doing the hopper test, not during game play.
Maybe someone can get you the documentation for your new SP1271 chip. It will list all of the menu choices it offers.
Thanks for photo of Ukraine coin you are using, it looks to be about 17mm diameter in photo but maybe I am seeing the ruler wrong, when I checked on internet I thought it said they are 23mm diameter. Our nickel is about 21mm and a quarter is about 24mm.
Since your display always shows the correct coin amount of a win that would seem to mean your reel strips are installed properly. Sometimes a machine will have the reel strips in wrong position and that causes confusion about how many coins are won. Can you post photo of front of machine showing reel strips? [EDIT - I looked back at page 1 of thread and saw photo of machine, reposted below]
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this coin is about 24mm diameter similar to your quarter.
also some question about SP1271 settings. I cant put more than 3 coin to credit. each forth coin goes to coin tray. Is it correct?
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Correct.
Since it is a 3 coin max bet that is all an S+ machine will accept.
If it was a 2 coin game that is all it would accept also.
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Also, that the coin separator is only allowing 1 coin at a time to reach the knife. The coin separator is a part on the hopper located a few inches ahead of the knife, mounted on the outer rim of the hopper, it only allows 1 coin to pass at a time.
there are two fotos of my hopper. where is coin separator? or i have to strip hopper to reach it? If so it is a problem couse i have two left hand and pretty sure there is no IGT experts here in Ukraine.
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Maybe you should clean it up and the brake too which is attached to the motor. I have attached a little bit of information about the hopper ..
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try to use another type of coin and hopper works correct. but both of coins are almost the same size. I would say it is juast a few mm diameter difference.
using white (valued 5) hopper works great but when i use yellow (valued 50) it is huge overpay
at the video you can hear hopper sounds (more then 10 coins paid) for only 3 coin wiln. Looks like hopper spins too fast ahead of winner paid counts
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J0bkM2ObhXc (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J0bkM2ObhXc)
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try to use another type of coin and hopper works correct. but both of coins are almost the same size. I would say it is juast a few mm diameter difference. using white (valued 5) hopper works great but when i use yellow (valued 50) it is huge overpay
You said it paid just fine before. Did you change the coin denomination in that same time?
According to wiki the 50 is 1mm smaller than the 5 and from what I can tell it appears that the 2Fr that the machine was configured for originally is a 27mm coin. You could try it using 1 hryvnia coins? Those appear even closer to the Fr?
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try to use another type of coin and hopper works correct. but both of coins are almost the same size. I would say it is juast a few mm diameter difference.
using white (valued 5) hopper works great but when i use yellow (valued 50) it is huge overpay
The size of the coin makes a difference. In the case of the smaller coin, some of them are sneaking through the coin-out optics without breaking the beam, so the machine isn't seeing them and isn't counting them as paid, even though they are physically exiting the machine. Use the larger coins only and you shouldn't have a problem.
In order for the machine to see a coin exiting the hopper and count it as "paid", the coin must break the hopper optic pair as it exits the hopper. If you look closely at your hopper, right where the coins come out, you'll see this optic assembly. If the coin is too small, it will go below the level of the optics and not break the beam, and not get counted by the machine. This is not a setting in the menu nor anything that would have changed by changing your SP chip -- I suspect you're just noticing it now since you're cashing out more frequently, or because you recently switched to the gold "50" coins, versus the larger silver "5" coins.
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The part I called a coin separator is called a "coin wiper" by IGT. The drawing below from Ken's posting shows where the coin wiper is mounted on the hopper. The wiper's job is to separate coins that are stuck together and keep them from reaching the knife. But it sounds like your problem is due to the size of the coin you are using being too small.
Also in the drawing is the optic sensor that knagl referred to. Its job is to count the coins as they pass by and signal the mpu to shut off the hopper motor when the correct number of coins has passed. If your optic sensor has an adjustment that will lower it slightly toward the spinning coin pinwheel you could try that if you prefer using the smaller 50k coin. The pinwheel is designed for a certain size coin, you may be using a coin that is smaller than what it is made for.
[the drawing shows 2 wipers, one is metal and the other is plastic. I think only one is installed on the hopper, depending on when it was made]
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You said it paid just fine before. Did you change the coin denomination in that same time?
Not the same time, a few week earlier, but as knagl said i play at credit mode and did not pay attention to this. It got obvious when i switched to cash mode.
Ok so i have to use lorger 5 coins and no possibility to change hopper options?
Yes i can try to use 1 hrivnya coin mentioned by off-track but it is not popular here and it takes alot of time to collect so big number of 1 hrivnya coins to fill hopper )
Thanx for help! the main thing is machine is ok and think i can solve this small coins issue
BTW as off-track said this machine is designed for old French coins- Francs (. does it means IGT designed each hopper for specific country and no possibility to change options?
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IGT makes the hopper for various coin physical sizes, depending on who and where the machine is originally sold to. It is possible to convert the hopper for use with a different coin size, within a range of sizes that IGT allowed for. To convert your hopper for use with a coin the size of Ukraine 50k you would need to change the pinwheel and possibly other parts. But it might be easier to get metal tokens that are the correct size for your hopper so you don't have to do any conversion to the hopper. Metal tokens are often for sale on ebay, whatever coin or token you use would ideally be the same size as the French coin the hopper is setup for now. Another idea is to obtain a bag of the old French coins if they are still available, but most were probably traded in for EU money when France discontinued the Franc. There could be other European or Russian coins that are the correct size you need and that are easily obtained.
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ok thanx. most clever decission is to stay with 5k coins. It is not gamble couse it is very little nominated coin (i think even hobos are not heppy to give it) but almost ideal for my hopper.
can you explait pays for this match (foto)? i plaeyd 3 coins game and winner paid is 960 coins. but there is no such awards on scale
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Since there are 2 Double Pepper symbols they both match the Green 7. Since each Double Pepper is a double multiplier that is now 4 times 240 .. which is 960.
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Here we can go to a bank and exchange paper money for coins, all US coins that are legal and in current use are kept on hand at the bank. Does Ukraine banks have 5k coins available for people to obtain? (maybe if value of 5k coin is so insignificant then banks no longer use them?)
Also, did you verify that it is not possible to lower the hopper optic sensor (coin counter) so that it can "see" the smaller 50k coin?
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Here we can go to a bank and exchange paper money for coins, all US coins that are legal are kept on hand at the bank. Does Ukraine banks have 5k coins available for people to obtain?
Also, did you verify that it is not possible to lower the hopper optic sensor (coin counter) so that it can "see" the smaller 50k coin?
yes sure all coins are leagal but both people and bank avoid to give it as a change couse it is so small nominated. I think most of people never take 1k,2, and 5k as a change but jusl leave it on cash desk. it is heavy and nothing to buy for it. I think chipest good`s price start from 25k. so to buy one small box of matches you need to pay 5 coins of 5k wich are pretty heavy to carry in purse.
I did not try to verify my hopper. I`m not sure it will be ok after my interference )
Since there are 2 Double Pepper symbols they both match the Green 7. Since each Double Pepper is a double multiplier that is now 4 times 240 .. which is 960.
so everything works smooth.
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yes sure all coins are leagal but both people and bank avoid to give it as a change couse it is so small nominated. I think most of people never take 1k,2, and 5k as a change but jusl leave it on cash desk. it is heavy and nothing to buy for it. I think chipest good`s price start from 25k. so to buy one small box of matches you need to pay 5 coins of 5k wich are pretty heavy to carry in purse.
I did not try to verify my hopper. I`m not sure it will be ok after my interference )
so everything works smooth.
ok, now I understand there is shortage of 5k coins because their value is so low. Happy to hear that your machine is working properly. I was hoping that an adjustment to the optic sensor to move it lower would allow 50k coin to be counted properly, but such adjustment may not be possible, if it was I would think someone else here would have said something about doing that.
Where did you get your machine, is there casino nearby that sells old equipment? It appears that it was originally operated in France or some French country.
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I buy it from some guy who kept it at his room. I have no idea where he got this machine but it seems he use it like coat rack. also i dont know why i bought it, but now i understand it was good idea becouse the machine is very funny.
Gaming bussines is unleagal in Ukraine since 2006 but using slots and video pokers in privat is not prohibited. Sure there are unleagal gaming rooms but they use video games not slots. Slot machine is realy cool as for game and as a part of decoration. Problem is it is very rare here and most of them are in awful conditions. and i already said before there are not experts and replacemenst parts here. Thats why i have to hassle you with endless questions )
yes my machine is from France i think couse all lables and glases in Franch
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....also i dont know why i bought it, but now i understand it was good idea becouse the machine is very funny....
That happens here too. :garfield:
.... and i already said before there are not experts and replacemenst parts here. Thats why i have to hassle you with endless questions ).....
No problem on the questions, that is what NLG is for. And the problems and solutions discussed will help others that read this thread in the future. We are happy to have you here. The Hot Peppers machine is still found in casinos here, was a popular game.
About your user name "NHBFan", is NHB a sports team there?
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No problem on the questions, that is what NLG is for. And the problems and solutions discussed will help others that read this thread in the future. We are happy to have you here. The Hot Peppers machine is still found in casinos here, was a popular game.
About your user name "NHBFan", is NHB a sports team there?
Thank you! NLG forum helps me alot. When i bought my machine it was half working with wrong chips inside. Now it is fully working home entertainment.
Is it still possible to find spear parts of my type machine? Like glasses or reel strips? Not necessary rigth now just in case
NHB is old name of MMA (sport like UFC). It was common used in late 90
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Thousands of the IGT S Plus machines were produced and many are still around today. So spare parts are normally available, especially the common parts like circuit boards, cabinet pieces and wiring cables that are not game-theme specific, although the parts are likely to be used parts instead of new. Specific game-theme parts like the glass signage (upper and belly glass) and the reel strips can be harder to find since those parts were made in smaller quantities. But the Hot Peppers machine was popular so you should be able to find parts for it for some time to come. I believe there are different versions of the Hot Peppers machine, such as 2 coin, 3 coin, roundtop cabinet, etc.
You can browse the websites for the various slot machine dealers listed on the NLG website homepage, or contact them and ask about any parts you need:
http://newlifegames.com/nlg/index.php (http://newlifegames.com/nlg/index.php)
And of course there are lots of other US slot machine vendors on the internet and on ebay. Some of these vendors may not ship parts outside the US, that will depend on the individual business policy. Here is an example of one company:
http://www.spininc.com/ (http://www.spininc.com/)
Also, your S Plus machine was based on the older model called "IGT S". Some of the parts for the S model will work on your S Plus.
You can view information about S Plus machines at this link, click on the top menu where it says "2 CM" and "3 CM", then look for Hot Peppers variations.
http://www.newlifegames.net/igtbible/ (http://www.newlifegames.net/igtbible/)
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question for home slots users. Do you keep your machine power on all the time? Or turn it on just for short play time? Is it OK is machine switched off most of time?
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You will find different opinions on this. As far as the machine part of it, they are designed and built for commercial use, to be powered on 24 hours a day, everyday. But they also have a limited expected lifetime in casino use of just a few years before getting replaced by newer machines. So I doubt if IGT was concerned about designing them for 50 years operation or for use by hobbyists at home. Mechanically they are built very rugged, to stand up to the abuse of players in a casino. But the electronics inside is a lot like any other electronic device, it doesn't last forever and can be hurt by heat, component aging, etc. There is also a concern that the reel strips can get faded by prolonged exposure to the machine's internal heat and light (incandescent and fluorescent),,,, as well as any sunlight coming in from a nearby window since it contains UV rays.
Many people feel that if you are not going to be playing it again for a while to switch it off. Use a power strip so you don't have to open the door each time to use the power switch inside the machine. That way you aren't wasting electricity, not adding unwanted heat to the room, not taking a chance on an electrical storm or surge damaging the machine.
Others like the look of the machine when it is lit up, so they leave it on all the time, especially if they just have 1 or 2 machines. But the elec wattage used may surprise you. See this discussion:
http://newlifegames.com/nlg/index.php?topic=4499.0 (http://newlifegames.com/nlg/index.php?topic=4499.0)
When the machine is switched off the battery on the mpu board keeps the cmos ram chip powered so it can retain certain settings and other data. This cmos chip uses very little battery power so the battery should last quite a while and it isn't hard to replace when needed. I wouldn't keep a machine powered on just to avoid replacing the battery.
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What about hopper capasity? My hopper is less than half full now, but all new coins go to spare bunker (small one with hole on the bottom)
What does it mean? i cant to put more coins in the hopper?
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There is a part called the coin diverter, it sends coins to the overflow area when the machine thinks the hopper is full. The coin diverter is mounted below the coin comparitor and it moves one way to send the coin to the hopper or the diverter moves the opposite way to send coins to the overflow hole in bottom of machine.
On your hopper there is an adjustment, it is either a probe that sticks into the hopper bowl or it is a weight switch at the bottom of the hopper bowl. That way you can increase the number of coins that go into the hopper before the diverter starts sending them to the overflow. But your hopper may be setup ok, sometimes there is a defect that causes the coin diverter to stay in the overflow position even if the hopper has more room for coins and it is set properly. If you examine the coin diverter you will see how it works. Sometimes people tie the diverter into one position so it always sends coins to the hopper if there is a defect that can't be fixed easily. Look for a wire that runs along the front side of the hopper, it may be pinched or disconnected and touching the metal chassis.
Can you post a photo of the inside of your door showing the coin diverter and path, and the front outside of your hopper?
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thank you! Where is this ahopper adjustment to increase the number of coins?
I think coin deverter is ok couse if i take handful of coins from the hopper it starts to send in to hopper again
sorry for offtop but what about this slots? looks weird
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Just above the on/off switch but on the hopper bowl you can see the ground wire/screw head .. move the screw up a couple of holes and see if the takes care of the coins being diverted to the overflow.
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Look inside your hopper bowl, there is a metal probe sticking in there thru a hole in the side of the hopper. When the metal coins get high enough in the bowl to touch the probe they complete a ground connection to the wire attached to the probe and that tells the mpu that the hopper is full, that's when the coin diverter gets activated. Just move the hopper level probe to a higher position, or disconnect the wire going to the probe and insulate it so it doesn't touch chassis metal ground.
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Thank you guys! Moved wire to higher hole and now everything is ok. Is it not a problem to use full hoppper? I mean is it safe for hopper machanism? may be lot of coins are to heavy or it is ok?
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The hopper is built strong enough to hold all the coins up to the top. Shouldn't cause a problem if full, as long as the top of coin level is no higher than the highest probe hole. If too many coins are in the hopper you could have an inserted coin hit the top of the coin pile and then bounce out of hopper and into something electrical in the lower cabinet.
If you want to remove the hopper when it is full it will be heavy so be prepared, may want to remove some coins first. Some people or places don't want to have a lot of money (coins) sitting inside the machine in the hopper so they place the hopper probe in lower hole, but when large payout occurs and hopper does not have enough coins a human comes to pay the winner (and smile to possibly get a tip from big winner).
Here is a chart to give you an idea about how many coins the hopper can hold, depending on the size of the coins and on which hole the probe is inserted into:
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ok i understand. i put the wire to second from the top hole. It is not big trouble for me but when i got 960 coins win i had to open door and moved coins from tray to hopper a few times to completed winner pay.
half full hopper is not so suite during big pays
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What coin did you decide to use and how did you obtain that many of them?
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stay with low valued 5K coin which works correct with my hopper. It was not hard as i thought. found about 500 coins from my friends who kept it in piggy banks and about the same quantity was changed in bank.
still need 1500 to fill hopper.
BTW how much is the same size token in USA? set of 2000 for example?
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I think we determined that your machine is setup for coins or tokens of about 27mm in diameter, that is about 1.06 inches (we don't use metric so much here). So you would need tokens that are about 26 or 27mm, which is 1.02-1.06 inches size. This is similar to our US dollar coin. Maybe someone here on NLG has some tokens they will sell or they know where to obtain them. I have not bought tokens in that size, a guess would be about 20 cents per token, depends on the metal they are made of and how many you buy at one time. Brass is more costly but holds up well and looks nice. You can probably find used ones in larger qty for less cost each. The problem for you may be in the shipping, 1000 tokens will weigh about 19 pounds if they are brass.
Can you just keep accumulating the Ukraine 5k coins? Since no one there wants to use that coin maybe they will be easy to get, can even pick them up from discard. And since they are low value to people you won't have to worry so much about someone taking your coins. I'd think of the 5k coin as a token, I don't think you will find tokens of that size for sale at a lower price than what you can get the 5k coins.
Another idea: let your friends and neighbors play your machine, serve them a little cold beverage now and then, you keep the coins they lose! That works here in the casinos! :garfield:
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i wiil stay with my 5K coins. you are right it is very expencive to send so neavy package overseas. as a alternative in future i try to get my hopper suitable for 50K coin. any way it is not a problem at all.
is there any regular maintanence for hopper and machine in whole? I think it is not necessary couse it still works after more than 20 years of out of service time but who knows
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No routine preventative maintenance that I can think of, just cleaning now and then to remove accumulated dust. I don't think there are any recommendations to regularly oil or grease the hopper, I wouldn't do it unless there is a problem you are trying to fix like a noisy motor bearing or something like that. Anywhere in the coin path (coin entry bezel, coin comparitor, coin optics, coin chute, hopper, etc) is supposed to be clean and dry. People say that IGT built the S-Plus like a tank, it is very durable.
Enjoy your machine!
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is there a battery holder for MPU board? i mean the socet for battery soldered to MPU and helps to make ease battery replacement if necessary
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I solder an "AA" battery holder with about 10" leads and run the wires out of the MPU lock hole. Use a 3.6 volt "AA" battery. Then you can monitor battery voltage while machine is on and can replace it without any errors.
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I solder an "AA" battery holder with about 10" leads and run the wires out of the MPU lock hole. Use a 3.6 volt "AA" battery. Then you can monitor battery voltage while machine is on and can replace it without any errors.
Thanx for good advice. but how avoid errors if you stil need to replace battery? even using battery holder you still need to take it out and replace with new one. while this short time MPU is dead and gets error. Am i wrong?
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You can remove the hopper and since the battery is on the outside of the mpu, you can check voltage. Turn the machine on and change the battery and the machine doesn't know the battery was changed. Thus no 12 or 61 etc. I had only done it on S2000, then started S+ too. And even if you get the 12, no more soldering. Makes easy replacement for new owners. Can walk them thru 61 over the phone. Has to be a 3.6 aa battery. Not standard 1.5 aa.
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ok i inderstand. thanx you! thats why some people said i have to keep my machine power on all the time to avoid often battery changing )
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Unless you have a short 5-7 years should be the expected battery life of the soldered in 3.6v lithium
Cells.
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BTW if somebody has
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hello
there is a question about jackpot value. Bigest win on my machine is 4000 acording on pay scale on glass. But i saw the same type machines with another value of jackpot. is it possible to set Jackpot size by settings or it is depends of chip type?
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hello
there is a question about jackpot value. Bigest win on my machine is 4000 acording on pay scale on glass. But i saw the same type machines with another value of jackpot. is it possible to set Jackpot size by settings or it is depends of chip type?
The correct top value for 3 coins played in the game theme you have is 10,000. Someone has changed the highest award insert to 4,000. This allows the owner to keep some .. in this case a lot .. of the top award if won. To keep from having this visible to the player (also used for a progressive setup on a machine) ....
Hand-Pay Display <0> [13] Options are enabled {1} or disabled {0}. If enabled, the hand-pay amount is displayed when the game goes into a hand-pay condition.
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so 4000 is just an insert and if i get 3 coin jackpot it gives 10.000 coins?
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Yes, the 4,000 is just a sticker, but the game's percentage holdback is based on the 10,000 top award. You will likely not get 10,000 credits because the machine will go into a handpay mode. That's how unscrupulous operators get away with the lower jackpot, since it is not displayed anywhere else unless you change the settings in the options menu.
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sorry what is handplay mode? and where real top award can be displayed if i do changes in settings?
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Handpay mode is when you hit a jackpot and the machine goes "ding ding ding ding etc" you turn the jackpot reset key on the side to return to normal play. In casinos, this signals the attendant to come over and hand you over your winnings. They will give you either cash or a check depending on amount won. Then the attendant turns the jackpot reset key and you can continue playing.
As far as having the machine display the jackpot amount, see Ken's post about 4 post previous. It details the setting.
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Thanx for details, rickhunter
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Buttons light question: my SET 1 CREDIT button lights all the time. Is it correct? Also SERVICE button bulb not conected at all. and there are no any connectors next to it. Where i can get a correct power supply for SERVICE button bulb?
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Buttons light question: my SET 1 CREDIT button lights all the time. Is it correct? Also SERVICE button bulb not conected at all. and there are no any connectors next to it. Where i can get a correct power supply for SERVICE button bulb?
The play 1 credit button will be lit as long as there are credits on the machine. It should go off after playing the maximum amount of credits though. Once played it will come on again. The service button doesn't have a light. Mine don't anyway.
Dave
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My set 1 credit button lits all the time even during "cash out" mode
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Well unless there is a wire grounding somewhere causing it too be on, I don't know. I would tell you to look underneath at the wires and see if any are touching. But be careful, that is an early model S+ and those old button housings are very brittle. You can just bump them and they will break.