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Re: IGT Haywire, can it be fixed?
« Reply #40 on: October 11, 2018, 10:28:46 AM »
You don't need to use it yet, but wanted you to know that next to the power switch on your machine is a white TEST pushbutton. When the machine is working better you can press this TEST button and view or change settings that have to do with how the machine operates, such as hopper limit, credit limit, bill validator on/off, sounds, etc. The TEST menu also has some diagnostic tests you can run to check certain parts of your machine like lights, coin comparitor, reels, coin hopper, etc. The TEST menu steps get displayed on the front digital display since there is no LCD display on S+ machines. Each TEST menu step has a number and its setting, like step "5-1", which means "menu step 5 is set to option setting 1". There are several options that can be set so the machine will operate the way you want it to. All of the menu settings will be set to default choices that may already be what you want, so you may not need to change many of them.

The TEST menu steps and options you get will depend on whatever SP chip you end up installing on your mpu board. Most of the basic & essential settings are in all SP chips. The higher numbered SP chips often have additional features that the lower numbered older SP chips don't have. When you find out your SP chip number let us know and we can get you the document for that particular SP chip. It will list all the TEST & Setup menu steps with the various settings you can change if desired. The SS and SP chips will have a label on top with the SS or SP number written on it.
 
The SP chip contains the software for overall operation of the machine. The SS chip contains the specific software for the game itself, in your case Haywire 2 coin.

Your machine will work with coins only if you want to, don't have to fix the bill acceptor unless you want the convenience of using paper money.
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Re: IGT Haywire, can it be fixed?
« Reply #41 on: October 11, 2018, 11:14:51 AM »
Below the bill validator is a metal door (normally has a lock on it) on the front of the cash compartment. Inside is where the paper money is stored. After the bill validator accepts the bill it moves out the back of the DBV-200 and then gets placed into the "cash can" storage box that sits inside the cash compartment. Because it can contain lots of money there are usually a couple of security switches that tell the machine if the cash compartment door is not locked or has been opened. A similar switch senses if the cash can itself is removed. Most home owners bypass these security switches so they don't cause annoying nuisance errors. We can cover that when the time comes.

The power cord for the machine normally runs thru a hole at the back or in the bottom of the machine. That gets it out of the way. There is also a hole in the bottom of the machine for coins to go thru if the hopper gets full of coins. In the casino the stand for the machine has a hole that lines up with the coin overflow hole in the bottom of the machine. Inside the stand is a bucket or other container to hold the overflow coins. The overflow feature is not something most home owners need to have.

The power supply that operates most of the machine is located below the cash compartment. It has 3 fuses, there should be labels that tell you the size of each fuse. That white electrical outlet on the front of the power supply is a convenience outlet for plugging in a lamp or other item. Service techs sometimes use them. That service outlet will have power on it even if the machine is turned off, as long as the main power cord is connected to the wall outlet.
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Re: IGT Haywire, can it be fixed?
« Reply #42 on: October 11, 2018, 05:39:45 PM »
rokgpsman, thank you I was wondering what that power supply was for. I ordered the motherboard, cpu? board and game chips, should get it in a couple of days. The cash can is missing, will I have to have it before the machine will work or will just closing the door be enough. It'll be a shame if I get it all ready and I can't take a test drive.

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Re: IGT Haywire, can it be fixed?
« Reply #43 on: October 11, 2018, 05:59:06 PM »
I'm not expert on the S+ like some of these other guys are. But I think if you bypass the security switches for the cash can and the cash compartment door then you don't have to have a cash can installed in the machine. Even if you get the bill validator working the bills can just drop loosely into the cash compartment. Or you can order a cash can if you decide to get the bv working, I don't think the cash cans cost too much.

The security switches are just simple switches with 2 wires attached. You can remove the 2 wires from the security switch and twist them together so they are permanently attached. Then cover the twisted ends of the wires with a wire nut or electricians tape so they won't touch the bare metal of the chassis. This is what we call "bypassing" the switch.

The cash can security switch is at the back of the cash compartment, I think it has 2 green wires attached to it. The security switch for the cash compartment is above or beside where the cash compartment door lock would be (I think). You can look around in those areas and probably find the 2 switches unless someone has removed them and twisted the wires together. Post photos if you aren't sure. And if I'm wrong about the security switches or their locations someone here will correct me - it's happened to me before.  :garfield:

We're all waiting for you to get your new parts installed, hopefully that will get the machine working great, or at least working well enough for whatever the next step is.  :cool_thumb_up:
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Re: IGT Haywire, can it be fixed?
« Reply #44 on: October 11, 2018, 06:10:21 PM »
rokgpsman, chips are sp 1146 type 2 game chip and ss4072 97% payback reel chip $10 each, motherboard $45, cpu board w/transformer w/o tray $50. $115 plus shipping. I guess it's a little late now, but are these chips the right ones?
Do I need a BV chip, a reset chip? The more I learn the more I realize I know nothing. :Scratch-Head:

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Re: IGT Haywire, can it be fixed?
« Reply #45 on: October 11, 2018, 06:14:55 PM »
yes, SP1146 is the right SP chip for a Haywire machine. There are other SP chips that would also work ok. The SP1146 chip is compatible with the 16mhz version mpu ("cpu") board, so hopefully that is the mpu board you are getting. If you got the SP1146 chip and the mpu board from the same seller then he would make sure they will work together. He might even have installed the SS and SP chips on the mpu board for you. If not you will want to be careful about installing the chips. Don't want to install them backwards or in the wrong socket or bend the little metal legs along each side of the chip.

IGT made 2 versions of mpu boards, a 10mhz board and then a 16mhz board. Many of the SP chips are made for one or the other mpu boards.

Here is a list of most SP chips, with info about each one.
http://newlifegames.com/nlg/index.php?topic=303.msg847#msg847


The SS4072 is a good choice, the 97% payback will let players win often enough to be fun, unlike some of the slot machines on the Strip in Vegas that are set to 90% or less.

There are 2 utility chips that S+ owners sometimes obtain. One is called the CLEAR chip, the other is a SET chip. You may need a CLEAR chip later. The SET chip is used to enable the bill validator. Many people buy both since they are often sold as a pair. If you don't plan to get the bill validator working you probably won't need a SET chip.

You're doing fine, don't worry about what you don't know yet. We don't want to shovel too much info on you too fast.

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Re: IGT Haywire, can it be fixed?
« Reply #46 on: October 11, 2018, 08:41:29 PM »
Do I need this?

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Re: IGT Haywire, can it be fixed?
« Reply #47 on: October 11, 2018, 08:53:12 PM »
Is that the bezel for the bill validator? Where did you get it? Or just thinking about buying it?





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Re: IGT Haywire, can it be fixed?
« Reply #48 on: October 11, 2018, 10:18:08 PM »
Do I need this?
That does not look to be the correct one for you machine.
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Re: IGT Haywire, can it be fixed?
« Reply #49 on: October 11, 2018, 10:34:01 PM »
From looking at your earlier photo of the front of the machine it looks like you already have a bill validator bezel:

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Re: IGT Haywire, can it be fixed?
« Reply #50 on: October 12, 2018, 02:40:16 AM »
I don't have the part with the connectors.

IGT AVP Slant Top Slot Machine BV Bill Validator Bezel w/ Harness & Light Board






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Re: IGT Haywire, can it be fixed?
« Reply #51 on: October 12, 2018, 02:44:07 AM »
Will this work and do I need a BV chip?

IGT Slot Machine WBA 10/11 Bill Acceptor Harness

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Re: IGT Haywire, can it be fixed?
« Reply #52 on: October 12, 2018, 06:10:05 AM »
Your machine already has the DBV bill validator (bv) bezel installed, it is the black slotted part where you insert the paper money, mounted to the front of the door. When the door is shut it will align with a DBV-200 bill validator if it was installed.

Are you thinking of converting the bill validator from the DBV-200 setup in there now to a WBA setup?

The wiring harness you posted is part of a WBA bill validator setup. You would need the complete WBA setup if you wanted to convert the machine from the DBV-200 bill validator setup to a WBA. This means the DBV bill validator parts (such as the DBV bezel, DBV stacker, DBV housing frame, DBV power supply, etc) would get removed to install the WBA parts. It can be done, but you probably don't want to buy the WBA parts individually. This is what Jim was referring to back in reply #20 when he mentioned the parts for a WBA bv system. If you buy a DBV-200 it will cost less than converting your machine to a WBA bill validator, and installing the DBV-200 head unit will be easier by far than doing the WBA bv conversion work. But the WBA will be a few years newer and will probably accept more of the paper bills we have in circulation now. The DBV-200 is an older model of bv, it will work with many different bills but probably not the $100 since it got redesigned recently. For home use this likely isn't a big deal, as long as you can use $1, $5, $10, $20 or $50 bills most people are fine with that. I believe that a DBV-200 will accept all or most of the bills from the $50 downward.

You should probably look into the pros & cons of just replacing the missing DBV-200 "head" unit versus removing all of the DBV parts and installing a WBA setup. What Jim was showing in reply #20 is that a WBA setup doesn't cost much more than getting the DBV-200 head. Many people are still using their DBV-200 bv's and are happy with them, they work so no need for them to convert to a WBA. Another thing to consider, the rest of the DBV setup in your machine is unknown working condition at this time. Hopefully there is nothing wrong with the DBV power supply and the DBV stacker (the mechanism directly behind the DBV-200 head) but you won't know that until a DBV-200 head is installed. If you buy a WBA setup from Jim or another trusted seller you will know all of the WBA parts will be good working parts.
 
Keep in mind, your machine will work fine with coins only, you don't have to get the bill validator working right now unless you want to. Inserting coin after coin can get tedious for some players, but for others it is fun and reminiscent of the "good old casino days" when we used big plastic cups holding coins, so it just depends on the individual. The early S+ machines (and the S model) never had a bill validator, they were coin only.

Not sure what you mean when you ask about a "BV" chip. If you mean the SET chip then yes it will be needed if you intend to get a bill validator working. The default setting for the machine is to have the bill validator disabled. So it takes a SET chip to activate the bill validator. [there is a "bv" chip inside the bill validator that operates it and sometime people replace it (or flash program it) to do a software upgrade on the bill validator. But that probably isn't the "BV chip" you are referring to].
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Re: IGT Haywire, can it be fixed?
« Reply #53 on: October 12, 2018, 07:56:57 AM »
the bill unit on the S+ machine is a completely separate unit. you can remove it completely and the machine will function on coins. if you opt to go with the 200 head,  make sure it has the latest software for the newer bills, and has the IDO022 and 023 protocol in the software. you will also need the duckbill unit that goes on the front of the 200 head, it serves as a go between the door bezel and the 200 head itself (it directs the inserted bill so that the head will draw it into the unit.)  you will need a cash can for the unit to operate as well. the 200 head is pretty reliable as far as pulling in the bills, the problem with the unit is in the transport unit, ( the part in your machine)  when not used for long time the unit will jam, and disable itself, but still can be used with coins. unjamming is not difficult, but a PITA,  I believe Klar electronics has 200 heads and cash cans for sale. (last time I was there Alan had a shelf full).

long story short, the bill unit , even if it is broke ,will not affect the machine operation.

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Re: IGT Haywire, can it be fixed?
« Reply #54 on: October 12, 2018, 08:21:57 AM »
.....chips are sp 1146 type 2 game chip and ss4072 97% payback reel chip.....

As promised, below is the SP1146 document. When you read thru it don't worry if there are parts to it you don't understand at this point. But it will be a handy reference for you later. For many of the settings you probably won't ever need to make changes. And there are settings for casino use that most people don't use at home, such as the SAS casino network interface, progressive jackpots, etc.

The TEST menu system is accessed by pressing that white TEST button near the power switch and watching the digital displays on the front of the machine. You keep pressing the TEST button until you get to the step number you are interested in. Then you can see what that setting is set to and change it if needed by doing something else like turning the jackpot reset key or pressing a player pushbutton on the front of the machine. To exit the TEST menu you just close the main door of the machine.

The TEST button menu system is part of the software in the SP chip, so you will need to have the mpu board and motherboard installed to use the white TEST button.

As Jim said, here is the KLAR website, he is one of the trusted NLG parts sellers that has DBV-200 heads for sale:
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Re: IGT Haywire, can it be fixed?
« Reply #55 on: October 12, 2018, 09:02:02 AM »
Jim I read your post earlier and was trying to figure out how to contact you, other than phone; still trying to navigate my way around this site. But please tell me what I need and do you accept PayPal as payment?

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Re: IGT Haywire, can it be fixed?
« Reply #56 on: October 12, 2018, 09:09:39 AM »
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Re: IGT Haywire, can it be fixed?
« Reply #57 on: October 12, 2018, 01:38:31 PM »
Thank you rokgpsman, I should have been able to figure that out but it took over a month after joining this forum to figure out how to actually post a question. I read a lot of the threads in that month and it's the reason I decided to get a machine to fix, it was how I fixed my other slot where I hit the jackpot without a reset key, I learned about the different error codes, which none are the same on that machine as any I've read on here but it did guide me in the right direction. All of this knowledge in one place is amazing.

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Re: IGT Haywire, can it be fixed?
« Reply #58 on: October 12, 2018, 02:14:34 PM »
I am going to get the part for the bv and later convert from $1 tokens to real quarters, I like feeding the coins into the machine it reminds of  being in the casinos when they first came to the coast. However I don't like pulling out the hopper every time I run out of money, those things are heavy; so I put a plastic container, the ones deli ham comes in; in the hopper to catch the quarters so all I have to do is take that out instead of the big ole heavy hopper. I'm torn between keeping the one I have and buying the parts I need and upgrading to the WBA. Need to decide fast cause when I get the boards in I won't be able to play it, no tokens. I don't know maybe I should focus on changing to quarters first. What would that entail? Which comparator? Coin shute? Coin head, I haven't found any of them for IGT S+. I did find a quarter hopper, but like I said, I can just put the container in the hopper to catch the quarters. Decisions, decisions! :banghead:
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Re: IGT Haywire, can it be fixed?
« Reply #59 on: October 12, 2018, 02:42:30 PM »
.....Oh and Jim, I just figured out 'PITA' I'm slow but I get there.  :drool04:
yeah, he wasn't talking about bread.....   :garfield:

If the machine is setup for $1 tokens it will also work with $1 coins, and vice-versa, they are close enough to the same size that it will be ok. So you could play the machine with $1 coins or tokens and not have to change anything that has to do with the coin handling - like the coin head, coin optics spacer and coin hopper. $1 coins or tokens sound amazing when they are dropping into a coin tray for a payout, people loved it back in the day before ticket-in-ticket-out came along. But it can be costly for a private owner to stock the machine's hopper with $1 coins or tokens, so that is the negative about using $1 size coins/tokens.

The coin comparitor has an example coin installed in it, that is called the "sample" coin. You can install practically any metal coin or token into the coin comparitor as the sample coin. That sample coin is then the only type of coin or token the coin comparitor will accept from the player to put playing credits on the machine. If the coin comparitor is a CC-33 then it is designed for larger coins and the coin pathway inside is usually too wide for use with quarters. There is a way to add some guide strips to the coin pathway inside the CC-33 to let it use quarters. As the player's inserted coin slides thru the coin comparitor it's metallic and magnetic properties are compared to the sample coin's properties. If they match the coin is accepted, if not it is rejected back to the coin tray. The accepted coin then drops out the bottom of the coin comparitor and passes thru the 2 coin optic boards. They sense the coin passing by and signal the mpu board to put a credit on the machine. The coin then slides into the coin hopper.

The most common coin comparitor for an S+ machine using quarters is called a CC-16. A CC-16 is shown below with the sample coin installed. A CC-33 model coin comparitor looks slightly different but operates basically the same way.
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