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**Reel Slots** Gaming Machines => **Reel Gaming Machines** **General Chat** => Topic started by: AceStrategist on January 22, 2024, 07:31:50 PM
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As the post title says, why is Triple Double Diamond Free Games so hard to find? I've scoured the internet trying to find one (in IGT S2000 form) for sale but no dice. Were these only produced for a short amount or time or towards the end of the S2000 lifecycle? Have a lot of fond memories playing this game at resort casinos and would like to have one at home as they've been disappearing from casino floors recently.
It's rather hard to search for since a nearly identically named game "Triple Double Diamond" exists without the "Free Games" part however it's radically different, with a single payline 1/2/3 credit whereas TDDFG is low denomination (pennies, 2 cents, 3 cents, 5 cents) with many payline/bet amount options and the bonus games mechanic.
Would like to know more about this game's history if anyone here knows or has one!
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These were made toward the tail-end of the S2000 era, so not many machines were made with this game. It probably uses an enhanced mpu with an R-board. They re-released the game in the MLD (Multi Level Display) version that ran on the newer AVP based MLD cabinets and later on the G20 cabinet. Of course on the mld and G20, they were dual layered video versions of the game and not mechanical steppers. I honestly have always played this game on an MLD machine. I never saw one live on the casino floor. Also it is a 3 reel game, IGT promoted the more volatile 5 reel versions of the games. The 5 reel Double Diamond Free games is a lot easier to source. I don't think I've ever seen a TDD Free games S2000 version available for sale.
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I've only ever seen the slant-top version, which are still scattered across casinos in southern Indiana usually in the IGT/Bally old school slots section. It does have more advanced sound/music than most other S2000 games, which is used during the free spins.
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There was also an SAVP version.
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Triple Double Diamond® Free Games Spinning Reel 10,000 SB101453 AZI, CAI, CO, CRUIS, CTI, DEL, FL, FLI, IA, IAI, IL, IN, KSI, LA, LAI, ME, MII, MO, MS, MSI, NDI, NJ, NMI, NMT, NV, NYI, OK, OKI, ORI, PEN, SD, SDI, WII, WYI
3-Reel, 20-Line, Configurable Max Bet
S2000 - Spinning Reel
I may have had one, or the glass, not sure though. I know I have the chip
W
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There was also an SAVP version.
I've played that one locally RB....maybe as recently just before Covid.
Here in upstate New York, I only ever saw a few different versions of Double Diamond games in S2000's on live floors.
They are almost all gone...only about six s2000's left...maybe even less SAVP's.
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If you can't find it, You may be able to order new glass and strips from Joe at NorCal slots (distributor for these), and the appropriate chips and simm from RB. These and a donor cabinet would make a very nice machine.
Both of the mentioned sources are members here
Joe : https://newlifegames.com/nlg/index.php?action=profile;u=9991 (https://newlifegames.com/nlg/index.php?action=profile;u=9991)
RB replied above
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I believe the S2000 version of this game has an enhanced board and requires an RS board. Bonus sound comes from the simm built-in the R board and during regular play it just sounds like an S+. I may be wrong.
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Anyone have video with the sound from this machine?
I'm fairly sure the sb chip listed above is for this game, and there should be a sound simm, which may be shared with another "free games" theme. I may have had this game before (10 years ago or more), the reel display seems familiar, as well as the game. I can't remember the sound though. I could be wrong of course, it wouldn't be the first time, just ask my wife, she would be happy to confirm that. ;)
If there is another
Triple Double Diamond® Free Games that uses the SB101453, I would appreciate any info or pics
Wayne
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This is from the IGT site.
Its S3000 now.....
https://www.igt.com/products-and-services/gaming/games#Triple_Double_Diamond_3R1LCMB_S_Ascent_Spinning_Reel_RM9 (https://www.igt.com/products-and-services/gaming/games#Triple_Double_Diamond_3R1LCMB_S_Ascent_Spinning_Reel_RM9)
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looks like this is the clone
Hawaiian Diamond™ Free Games Spinning Reel
3-Reel, 20-Line, 1,000-Credit
S2000 - Spinning Reel 10,000
SB101453
ALB, AZI, CAI, CO, CRUIS, CTI, DEL, FL, IA, IAI, IL, IN, KSI, LA, LAI, ME, MII, MO, MS, MSI, NDI, NJ, NMI, NMT, NS, NV, NYI, OK, OKI, ORI, PEN, PR, SD, SDI, WII, WYI
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https://www.gamblersoasisusa.com/igt-hawaiian-diamonds-free-game-bonus-s2000-slot-machine.aspx (https://www.gamblersoasisusa.com/igt-hawaiian-diamonds-free-game-bonus-s2000-slot-machine.aspx)
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I still think it's an R or RS board game just like super times pay free games that uses SB101452. You can go into accounting and it will tell you the built-in DSV sound simm number.
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I still think it's an R or RS board game just like super times pay free games that uses SB101452. You can go into accounting and it will tell you the built-in DSV sound simm number.
you could be correct. RG000013 board supports free spin games
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found it, SB101453 with RG000054 previously RG000013, but replaced by RG000054 which is correct for 3 reel free spin type 165 games. the change notice number is cn4690
one was in the classifieds in the past
https://newlifegames.com/nlg/index.php?topic=32922.0 (https://newlifegames.com/nlg/index.php?topic=32922.0)
W
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I just found an RG000051 board in box of stuff I just got. Has boot RB000003 and SB101451 for super times pay free games 3R5L5C.
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If you can't find it, You may be able to order new glass and strips from Joe at NorCal slots (distributor for these), and the appropriate chips and simm from RB. These and a donor cabinet would make a very nice machine.
Both of the mentioned sources are members here
Joe : https://newlifegames.com/nlg/index.php?action=profile;u=9991 (https://newlifegames.com/nlg/index.php?action=profile;u=9991)
RB replied above
It needs special buttons though since it supports up to 20 lines and up to 10 credits per line with various intermediate options. I doubt most cabinets ex. "Double Diamond Deluxe" or "Double Diamond Haywire" would support this game?
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If you can't find it, You may be able to order new glass and strips from Joe at NorCal slots (distributor for these), and the appropriate chips and simm from RB. These and a donor cabinet would make a very nice machine.
Both of the mentioned sources are members here
Joe : https://newlifegames.com/nlg/index.php?action=profile;u=9991 (https://newlifegames.com/nlg/index.php?action=profile;u=9991)
RB replied above
It needs special buttons though since it supports up to 20 lines and up to 10 credits per line with various intermediate options. I doubt most cabinets ex. "Double Diamond Deluxe" or "Double Diamond Haywire" would support this game?
Anyone have video with the sound from this machine?
I'm fairly sure the sb chip listed above is for this game, and there should be a sound simm, which may be shared with another "free games" theme. I may have had this game before (10 years ago or more), the reel display seems familiar, as well as the game. I can't remember the sound though. I could be wrong of course, it wouldn't be the first time, just ask my wife, she would be happy to confirm that. ;)
If there is another
Triple Double Diamond® Free Games that uses the SB101453, I would appreciate any info or pics
Wayne
Here's a youtube video with the "free games" theme: https://youtu.be/ReLvZ_oP3pk?si=2m_Lnc22tdat49jv&t=78 the Free Games start at 1:18 and 4:17.
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If you can't find it, You may be able to order new glass and strips from Joe at NorCal slots (distributor for these), and the appropriate chips and simm from RB. These and a donor cabinet would make a very nice machine.
Both of the mentioned sources are members here
Joe : https://newlifegames.com/nlg/index.php?action=profile;u=9991 (https://newlifegames.com/nlg/index.php?action=profile;u=9991)
RB replied above
It needs special buttons though since it supports up to 20 lines and up to 10 credits per line with various intermediate options. I doubt most cabinets ex. "Double Diamond Deluxe" or "Double Diamond Haywire" would support this game?
Anyone have video with the sound from this machine?
I'm fairly sure the sb chip listed above is for this game, and there should be a sound simm, which may be shared with another "free games" theme. I may have had this game before (10 years ago or more), the reel display seems familiar, as well as the game. I can't remember the sound though. I could be wrong of course, it wouldn't be the first time, just ask my wife, she would be happy to confirm that. ;)
If there is another
Triple Double Diamond® Free Games that uses the SB101453, I would appreciate any info or pics
Wayne
Here's a youtube video with the "free games" theme: https://youtu.be/ReLvZ_oP3pk?si=2m_Lnc22tdat49jv&t=78 the Free Games start at 1:18 and 4:17.
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I'm sure many vendors have those button panels. Just like in Cleopatra.
https://images.app.goo.gl/34FYNP19b7i8sLW36 (https://images.app.goo.gl/34FYNP19b7i8sLW36)
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My local tribal casino took 8 of these games to the scrapyard along with a semi load of others. Now there is less available. Can't get the tribal members to sell them to me for more than scrap value.
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They're bound by tribal compact agreement with the state's gambling commision.
Can't just sell machines to any Joe Blow.
They're either destroyed, or sent to auctions....easier to just scrap them.
My suggestion would be...go get a license & open up a local scrapyard? :cool_thumb_up:
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My local tribal casino took 8 of these games to the scrapyard along with a semi load of others. Now there is less available. Can't get the tribal members to sell them to me for more than scrap value.
Wouldn't they be class 2 games (bingo etc.) if they were from a tribal casino?
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No, not always.
It depends on the agreements in the compact between the native tribes, and the particular State.
They are not all written the same way by the State lawyers.
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They're bound by tribal compact agreement with the state's gambling commision.
Can't just sell machines to any Joe Blow.
They're either destroyed, or sent to auctions....easier to just scrap them.
My suggestion would be...go get a license & open up a local scrapyard? :cool_thumb_up:
There's no State regulations in in tribal casinos in Michigan. Maybe some Federal??
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Maybe this link below, will help you with your question?....>>
https://www.michigan.gov/mgcb/tribal-casinos/tribal-state-compacts-in-michigan (https://www.michigan.gov/mgcb/tribal-casinos/tribal-state-compacts-in-michigan)
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Soaring Eagle Mt Pleasant Michigan
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Maybe this link below, will help you with your question?....>>
https://www.michigan.gov/mgcb/tribal-casinos/tribal-state-compacts-in-michigan (https://www.michigan.gov/mgcb/tribal-casinos/tribal-state-compacts-in-michigan)
Your right , some are.
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There are tribal Indians and there are traditional sovereign native nations.
The tribal Indians are dependent sovereign nations...which doesn't make sense...how can they be sovereign if they have to ask for permission to run a casino? See what I mean?
It's really a scam by the States...remember, the States weren't allowed to own casinos...only Nevada and New Jersey had them for the longest time.
On the flip side, the aboriginal traditional independent native nations that reside here, have been on this continent before there ever was such a thing as United States.
They don't need permission from any federal government to own, or run a casino.
That's the major difference that the States really don't want people to know about.
They'd much rather promote tribally-run casinos to the public, because they're bound by compact agreements to give away a high percentage of casino profits both, to the States, and neighboring counties.
Not all tribal compacts in different States are written by the lawyers the same way either.
I've worked in both, and you can really see the differences inside.
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How difficult would a game-change be from a game that has the correct button arrangement? I would like to keep both games working and easily swap-able if possible. Are there specific features I should look for outside of buttons? Like should I pick games that also have "free games" for better compatibility, backlit reels, does 3, 4 or 5 reels matter? I'm fine with getting a second set of reels to avoid having to swap reel strips.
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That's a great question!
I once had two button decks (single row & double row) to swap between, but it's so much work to change decks that I decided to get extra cabinets instead...haha
Joking around, the old saying that "slots multiply at night" rang true in my workroom :24:
It really matters what games you like to play...that will have weight in what cabinet configuration you'd prefer most.
To further add to the above, I also had to add a "Vision-ready" cabinet - to accommodate that platform.
I love fooling around with the different Vision games....IGT's first video-reel hybrid.
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Right now I have a Jennings Standard Chief nickel machine and want to get into the electronic games which have more bells and whistles you know.
What about the sound SIMM? It was mentioned I could find the glass and chips for the game but this has a "free games" function which would need a SIMM, are those easier or harder to find than the game itself?
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I just looked at the DSV Sound SIMM List in the NLG File System.
I don't see your game title in the DSV List.
You could probably get away with using a...>>> DSV00042 GENERIC S2000 SOUND SIMM
The MPU would need to have a MML (Multi Media Lite) piggyback board that has the socket for the SIMM card.
:agreepost: Please disregard my Reply....I like Sixcardmark's answer better below.
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Once again I believe this game uses an enhanced board that does not use a MML2 board. Sound simm is built into the R board.
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Once again I believe this game uses an enhanced board that does not use a MML2 board. Sound simm is built into the R board.
:agreepost:
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Which R board should I be looking for to get the correct soundtrack?
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Which R board should I be looking for to get the correct soundtrack?
Reply#15 states: SB101453 with RG000054 previously RG000013, but replaced by RG000054 which is correct for 3 reel free spin type 165 games. The change notice number is cn4690.
Docs attached.
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If the machine I end up buying accepts quarters coin in/out what happens when a 1 cent game is played? Will each quarter add 25 credits, valid for 25 1 line, 1 cent spins for example? What happens if you have an 'improper' amount of credits remaining ex. 80 and press cash out? Will it drop 3 quarters and leave 5 credits on the machine, or need a 'hand pay' for the remaining 5 cents?
I want to avoid disabling/removing the coin mechanism since it works well with other "higher denomination" games like Haywire, Deluxe, Sizzling 7s etc.
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Coin handling on the S+ and S2000 are single denomination only.
If the machine is setup for coins then you get to use 1 coin type.
Lets assume you went with Pennies - you hit a top payout for 1199 coins - the hopper would spit out approximately 300 pennies then go into hand pay for the rest.
Note the term coins[/b] as the machine is oblivious to what denomination it is using.
When a bill validator is in play bills simply get translated to credits based on what denomination is set on the validator.
This is where the ticket printer became so popular. Subsequently bettor-tito (S2000 only) was invented for the home users so you could feed back in the printed ticket.
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In a machine with both coin in/out and a bill validator is it possible for the coin denomination to be higher than the accounting/player denomination? Say you're using quarters but want each quarter to be worth 25 credits?
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No - that is not possible.
1 coin = 1 credit.
Another thing to note - if you had 10 coins, and the machine is a 3 coin max bet - your coins start to fall into the tray after you reach 3.
There is a jurisdiction called Montanna Credits (which is not common) that allows you to put coins to credit - so you could stack in 20 credits with 20 coins.
But 1 coin = 1 credit.
You can have a 25c coin handling but set your bill validator to 1c so you plug in a $1 bill and get 100 credits.
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Yes the accounting denom, coin denom and player denom(s) are all independent with a multi denom version chip on a S2000. All player denoms should be evenly divisible by the coin denom to keep things straight. .25, .50, 1.00, 2.00 player denoms could have a $2 or a $10 coin denom. Could also have a .25 coin denom but it wouldn't make sense to insert 8 coins for a 1 credit $2 bet. The accounting denom can not be higher than the lowest player denom.
With that being said, certain SP chips will allow excess coins inserted to go to the credit meter after the max bet. SP1137 is a perfect example. It can also be set so each coin or token inserted can have a value of up to 99 credits. Check it out Jay! PSR attached.
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Can the SP1137 chip be used with the RG000054 R-board? What happens the payout isn't evenly divisible with the coin denom? Does the "remainder" go to credit? Say coin denom is .25 but a payout is .80 will it drop 3 coins and put 5 credits on the counter (with a 1 credit = .01 setup so each quarter is worth 25 credits).
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SP chips are not even compatible with S2000 nor can you get a 80c payout on with a 25c denom.
All payouts are multiples of the denom played.
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So it's just outright impossible to run the RG000054 games using coins? Even a single cherry will lead to payouts of 80 credits or more with other payouts being in the mid to high hundreds (even though it only amounts to a couple cents or dollars).
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So it's just outright impossible to run the RG000054 games using coins? Even a single cherry will lead to payouts of 80 credits or more with other payouts being in the mid to high hundreds (even though it only amounts to a couple cents or dollars).
You should read the previous posts a little more closely. Asking the same hypothetical questions over can be tiring for the members who use their spare time to try to help. I hope you find the machine, then you can just set it up and enjoy it.
If you read the documents in reply 36, you will see that coin in is possible.
Thanks,
Wayne