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**Video Poker, Keno, Slots, 21** Gaming machines => IGT I-Game and Game King => Topic started by: sandelslover on February 17, 2024, 10:59:01 AM
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Hello, today I managed to acquire an IGT Trimline (is it AVP?) in visually quite good shape. However, I have no idea which version (Game King) it is; in short, I don't have any prior information about it before purchasing. I found this community and was glad to discover it.
Could anyone provide any technical sheets, service manuals, or any relevant information? Also, could you tell me which version this is and whether it was a good buy for 130 euros? The only information I can provide is a bunch of pictures. At first, I thought it was missing some modules, like a coin dispenser, but the tray at the bottom doesn't even have a hole.
The first symptom I noticed is that it got stuck during a zero checking flash on boot. The three loading dots just stopped moving, and after that, the second amber light on the computer board went dim (initially, all lights are lit yellow and two of them are green). The computer case has a Pioneer stamp and model code 59714000 REV A. Boot chip has GKB00025 marking. It has game Wolf Run GK002066.
Based on information from the community and a video by Tilt on YouTube (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_U6oaT9XwuI&ab_channel=Tilt48658 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_U6oaT9XwuI&ab_channel=Tilt48658)), this could be due to faulty batteries on the computer board. I strongly suspect mine is the international version, so I don't want to boot it without the battery until I replace it.
My board has one button cell and another NiMH battery, which has degraded. I believe the pictures will tell all. My next task is to buy a new 3.6V NiMH battery and a new CR2354 button battery on Monday.
Could someone tell me what the CR2354 is for? I know that the green Varta is for storing credits information and so on. I handled the computer board with gloves, as I read that it is very sensitive to static electricity.
Thank you for your help and a pleasure to join you!
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More pictures attached. Could someone also tell me which wires are hanging freely inside, the one that is taped has jumper to connect the wires. The other ones seems to be cut, also the normal lock on the side (for attendant?) has no wires attached, so is it converted freeplay?
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Wow looks like all GK 044 guts inside a trimline cab? Button battery is for memory, not the varta. Better do something quick with the varta before it destroys the board.
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Wow looks like all GK 044 guts inside a trimline cab? Button battery is for memory, not the varta.
This is a good thing, right? The boot problem is caused by the Varta as I understand it? Also this computer has an i960, so does this thread belong in another section (https://newlifegames.com/nlg/index.php?board=68.0 (https://newlifegames.com/nlg/index.php?board=68.0))?
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No varta reports upstairs when the door has been opened I believe.
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Wow looks like all GK 044 guts inside a trimline cab? Button battery is for memory, not the varta.
This is a good thing, right? The boot problem is caused by the Varta as I understand it? Also this computer has an i960, so does this thread belong in another section (https://newlifegames.com/nlg/index.php?board=68.0 (https://newlifegames.com/nlg/index.php?board=68.0))?
Zero checking flash is bad flashboard I think. It may be reflashed and maybe not.
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Wow looks like all GK 044 guts inside a trimline cab? Button battery is for memory, not the varta.
This is a good thing, right? The boot problem is caused by the Varta as I understand it? Also this computer has an i960, so does this thread belong in another section (https://newlifegames.com/nlg/index.php?board=68.0 (https://newlifegames.com/nlg/index.php?board=68.0))?
Zero checking flash is bad flashboard I think. It may be reflashed and maybe not.
I understand, thanks for the heads up. My assumption about the error is based on this thread https://newlifegames.net/nlg/index.php?topic=16410.0 (https://newlifegames.net/nlg/index.php?topic=16410.0). Well, I'll certainly give it a try.
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:NLG_WELCOME:
That's an interesting machine. I've never seen one quite like it. The cabinet looks like a Trimline AVP machine, but it has what looks to be a 044MPU board in it. The motherboard (or backplane) that the MPU plugs into is different than what I'm used to seeing for a 044 motherboard though. I'm not sure what the wires are that are laying in the bottom of the cabinet. Normally I would think they were part of a player tracking system, but it looks like they're part of your machine. There should be a pair of wires that go to the jackpot reset switch, they may be laying somewhere in the vicinity of the switch.
You're correct, your Wolf Run game software version is an international version and you'll need a good working Varta battery installed on it, so don't modify it to run without it. The green Varta battery is a rechargeable NiMH battery that's called the "Telltale" battery. What it does is monitor the machines doors when the power to the machine is off and records those events for security purposes. You don't need that for home use, but your game software requires it to be installed and working. That's why your machine is freezing upon bootup, because that battery is dead.
The coin cell battery is the CMOS memory battery. It stores games statistics, some game and machine configuration options, keeps the real time clock running when the power is off, and other various things. The machine will boot up without one (or a dead one) but will not be playable as you will get an error message stating "Main battery low".
I've never seen any documentation for a machine like yours, hopefully somebody here has and can help with that. I'm not sure if it was just made for international markets or not, but I've never seen one like it in the US.
I recommend replacing the telltale battery and the CR2354 CMOS battery and seeing if you can get the machine to boot up. If the game starts to boot and locks up like it does leave it like that for a couple of hours so the telltale battery can charge up and try it again.
I'd say you got a really good deal, that equates out to roughly $140USD. The flash card that has the game software on it alone is worth that, but hopefully you can get it running.
If you could, see if you can get a good picture of the entire motherboard. I'm interested in seeing more of it. Also look around the cabinet for wires that may go to the jackpot reset switch and take a picture if you find any. I don't think it's either of the ones laying on the bottom of the cabinet in the photo.
(Edit, this thread has grown since I started this message. I'm posting it anyhow even if some of this is now redundant.)
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The link he just posted is to another one just like his!!
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Wow I thought that backplane was the backside of the monitor! :duh:
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:NLG_WELCOME:
That's an interesting machine. I've never seen one quite like it. The cabinet looks like a Trimline AVP machine, but it has what looks to be a 044MPU board in it. The motherboard (or backplane) that the MPU plugs into is different than what I'm used to seeing for a 044 motherboard though. I'm not sure what the wires are that are laying in the bottom of the cabinet. Normally I would think they were part of a player tracking system, but it looks like they're part of your machine. There should be a pair of wires that go to the jackpot reset switch, they may be laying somewhere in the vicinity of the switch.
You're correct, your Wolf Run game software version is an international version and you'll need a good working Varta battery installed on it, so don't modify it to run without it. The green Varta battery is a rechargeable NiMH battery that's called the "Telltale" battery. What it does is monitor the machines doors when the power to the machine is off and records those events for security purposes. You don't need that for home use, but your game software requires it to be installed and working. That's why your machine is freezing upon bootup, because that battery is dead.
The coin cell battery is the CMOS memory battery. It stores games statistics, some game and machine configuration options, keeps the real time clock running when the power is off, and other various things. The machine will boot up without one (or a dead one) but will not be playable as you will get an error message stating "Main battery low".
I've never seen any documentation for a machine like yours, hopefully somebody here has and can help with that. I'm not sure if it was just made for international markets or not, but I've never seen one like it in the US.
I recommend replacing the telltale battery and the CR2354 CMOS battery and seeing if you can get the machine to boot up. If the game starts to boot and locks up like it does leave it like that for a couple of hours so the telltale battery can charge up and try it again.
I'd say you got a really good deal, that equates out to roughly $140USD. The flash card that has the game software on it alone is worth that, but hopefully you can get it running.
If you could see if you can get a good picture of the entire motherboard. I'm interested in seeing more of it. Also look around the cabinet for wires that may goto the jackpot reset switch and take a picture if you find any. I don't think it's either of the ones laying on the bottom of the cabinet in the photo.
(Edit, this thread has grown since I started this message. I'm posting it anyhow even if some of this is now redundant.)
Wow, are you the author of that YouTube video? That would be an amazing coincidence or fate. :wave: Thanks for your information, I really appreciate it! I'll be sure to take more pictures on Monday and try to change the batteries.
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The link he just posted is to another one just like his!!
It says Trimline in the title, but the interior looks like a 17" Game King cabinet to me. Am I missing something? :Scratch-Head:
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Wow, are you the author of that YouTube video? That would be an amazing coincidence or fate. :wave: Thanks for your information, I really appreciate it! I'll be sure to take more pictures on Monday and try to change the batteries.
Yeah, that's me. I didn't think anyone would actually watch it though :24: I'm glad you found it helpful :wave:. Ok, we'll be looking forward to the pictures next week. Have a nice weekend. Where are you at in Europe?
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Yes you are correct, title threw me off. I thought it was also in a trimline cab, and I didn't notice that different backplane board in this one, I thought it was backside of monitor.
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Wow I thought that backplane was the backside of the monitor! :duh:
After looking closer I'm not sure if it is or not. I thought it was due to the fuses and other connectors, but in the very first photo the backplane looks it's different than the board in that picture. Still doesn't quite look like a 044 motherboard though. The fuses in the one picture is what made me think it was the motherboard. Hopefully some better pictures will clear it up some.
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I ended up writing a lengthy message but accidentally closed the tab. Perhaps it was a reminder to be more concise.
Today was somewhat successful; I managed to desolder and resolder the telltale battery and also replaced the button cell. I wasn't overly optimistic, but to my surprise, the device booted up into the game, displaying an error message about a coin jam. Oddly enough, the machine lacks a coin slot hole and didn't come with a coin hopper. After some digging on this forum, I think the issue stems from the dead button cell battery wiping the settings, which means I now need to find a specific chip, known as the key chip. :fryingpan:
I have attached several pictures, making sure that the cut wires are captured. I'm curious about their function. Additionally, it turns out the attendant key does have wires; they were just bent at a 90-degree angle, making it appear wireless to me. Sorry for that confusion!
Could I have some advises where I might find the key chip for this device?
Also is this machine AVP (Advanced Video Processor), or is it something specific to the Trimline model? Here are multiple images for reference.
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That's it, also I'm from Finland, but I managed to buy this machine on a trip to Estonia. It was buried in the corner of a second hand shop, in the children's toy section. :wave:
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Congrats on getting it to boot up and thanks for the pictures. The power supply, power distribution box, audio amp, MPU, bill validator, and monitor look like those found in US Game King 17" cabinets, but I'm not sure what some of the other boards are. I believe the one behind the audio amp may be the I/O board? There's also an interface board of some type on the back of the door. It may be an I/O card too?
Yes, you'll need a keychip to disable the coin acceptor and hopper. Then it hopefully should be ready to play. Key 28 is used for 044 MPU's with a flash card like yours has, but I recommend getting a developers bootchip (GKDEV39) for it. As far as I know I don't there isn't any issues using it with international software. The developer's bootchip has the boot and key functions built in, so one chip does it all. The less you have to handle the flash card the better. It also allows you to turn off some security checks and you machine will boot in seconds rather than minutes. RB here on NLG is our usual go to guy for those, but last I knew I don't think he shipped internationally. He may see this and clarify.
I'm not sure what the wires laying on the bottom went to. The ora/blk twisted wires is +25VDC power that went to something at one time. You may want to tape the ends better so they don't short out on the cabinet and blow a fuse or worse.
Congrats, you have a nice looking machine and got a great deal on it too! Great kid's toy! :Tongue_Out:
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After looking at the picture better it looks like the ORA/BLK wires are spliced into the RED/BLK wires off of J36. In that case it's probably +13VDC not +25VDC. It looks like you could remove the tape, take the ORA/BLK wires out completely, and then tape the RED/BLK wires back up again.
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Congrats on getting it to boot up and thanks for the pictures. The power supply, power distribution box, audio amp, MPU, bill validator, and monitor look like those found in US Game King 17" cabinets, but I'm not sure what some of the other boards are. I believe the one behind the audio amp may be the I/O board? There's also an interface board of some type on the back of the door. It may be an I/O card too?
Yes, you'll need a keychip to disable the coin acceptor and hopper. Then it hopefully should be ready to play. Key 28 is used for 044 MPU's with a flash card like yours has, but I recommend getting a developers bootchip (GKDEV39) for it. As far as I know I don't there isn't any issues using it with international software. The developer's bootchip has the boot and key functions built in, so one chip does it all. The less you have to handle the flash card the better. It also allows you to turn off some security checks and you machine will boot in seconds rather than minutes. RB here on NLG is our usual go to guy for those, but last I knew I don't think he shipped internationally. He may see this and clarify.
I'm not sure what the wires laying on the bottom went to. The ora/blk twisted wires is +25VDC power that went to something at one time. You may want to tape the ends better so they don't short out on the cabinet and blow a fuse or worse.
Congrats, you have a nice looking machine and got a great deal on it too! Great kid's toy! :Tongue_Out:
Good to know and good point about the short circuit. The next step is to clean the wiring harness and find out what the cut wires are doing. Also nice to know, I will try to reach out to him, also maybe Ebay has some for sale? By the way, this machine had a beautiful sound quality, very rich and deep. I even thought about converting it to a jukebox if I can't get the game to work. :rotfl:
And okay, will do that!
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Yes, you could give Ebay a try too. I'd avoid jjslots there though.
That's good to know. High quality sound wasn't something IGT was known for, although the sound on my G23 AVP machine is pretty good.
You should be in good shape once you get a keychip so you can change those machine options and clear the coin out error. Hopefully the bill validator works and is setup for Euros.
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Yes, you could give Ebay a try too. I'd avoid jjslots there though.
That's good to know. High quality sound wasn't something IGT was known for, although the sound on my G23 AVP machine is pretty good.
You should be in good shape once you get a keychip so you can change those machine options and clear the coin out error. Hopefully the bill validator works and is setup for Euros.
I didn't hesitate for a moment and bought the GKBDEV39 chip. Total $36 with shipping, willing to sacrifice it for this beauty. :Tongue_Out:
And the bill validator did indeed work, I could test it through the attendant menu and it would show the note amount entered on the screen and spew it out.
I think there are already topics on how to use this chip, but I'll share the result here anyway, so if anyone ever runs into the same situation as me, knows how to proceed. :EmoticonHelp4:
Peace and good night!
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Indeed, it's worth it :yes:.
That's great, you should be up and running in no time after you get the chip then. Keep us posted!
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Wow it has a red backplane!
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Yeah, with what appears to be a DVI or VGA connector on it for the monitor too.
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I'd avoid jjslots there though.
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Hi sandelslover,
You certainly paid a good price for a nice european trimline cabinet on the 044 platform, so it’s not AVP. So this thread should be in the igame section. I have one similar like you but mine has a second tft screen in the top instead of glass. Most US based enthusiast don’t know this 044 platform exist in this cabinet.
The motherboard looks slightly different I believe, but you should be able to disable the hopper in the menu you photographed and perhaps it would help with the current error.
Games can be swapped by replacing the flash card, although as you’ve read already handle carefully.
I’m in The Netherlands myself.
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Thanks for jumping in to help Alex. I had left it in the AVP section because I wasn't sure what it was. It has the cabinet of an AVP, and some components of a US standard I-game. I think we'll go by the processor type. It's an i960 (044), so I'll move it to the I-game section based on that. Interesting machines, thanks for your input.
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Quick update: The chip remains at the Chicago Ebay International Shipping Warehouse. Today I've discovered another IGT Trimline slot machine with completely missing game computer. Next to it, an Atronic Harmony caught my eye; it powered on but displayed a message about the empty CMOS batteries. I'm considering acquiring it but need to verify it doesn't feature a progressive jackpot (I created the thread about it and was warned that it needs a special USB dongle). Unlike NiMH batteries, this one uses Li-SOCl2 batteries, which are soldered also in place.
The warehouse staff mentioned they have more such slot machines and allowed me to explore them. Among them was another IGT Trimline, which, unlike the one in the photo, had its computer but lacked the entire screen module - I believe it to be rather costly compared to the slot machines themselves. Next to it stood another IGT slot machine with side speakers, resembling the Trimline but with "ears." This unit also had the same type of plexiglass as seen in the attached picture of the non-working slot machine and it included also an coin insert in front and the hopper.
Even if they're inoperable or beyond repair, I wonder if their parts, especially the coin hoppers, are worth salvaging. Can anyone identify the machine from the description? The speakers on the side look similar to the one in the picture but lacks a side handle and has digital screen.
Edit: It's probably second picture attached from the internet.
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Top is a trimline, not sure if it's an AVP or not without seeing the interior. The 4th picture is a standard IGT S2000 slot machine. 5th picture is a 17" Game King w/044 MPU, US Version. I'm not familiar with the Atronic.
The S2000's have a green varta battery that leak and destroy the board, so if you're considering that make sure to inspect it well.