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Author Topic: DotMation DMD replacement - anybody here who can make a LogicAnalyzer recording  (Read 4448 times)

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Hello !


I´m lucky1 and I developed a DotMatrix replacement hard- and software using cheap chinese advertising panels.
My project is called pin2dmd and it is a DIY hobby project from my side, although in the meantime ready to use compatible hardware is available in many shops around the world based on the schematics I published. It currently supports almost all available pinball machine displays but I would like to add DotMation support.


To do that I would need a logic analyzer recording of the signals going to the DMD. In the past I used this cheap device
form ebay to do this https://www.ebay.com/itm/133471685789 It is also available on amazon.
You just need to connect the input channels 1 to 6 to pin 1,3,5,7,9,11 of the dmd connector, install a software on a laptop and record the signals. The software I use with my logic analyzer is available for download here https://support.saleae.com/logic-software/legacy-software/older-software-releases#1-2-26-download


Would someone be so kind and get the needed data for me ?

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I cant help with Dotmation Data. but I am so glad you are here to help with Slots DMD !!!!   It's been a long awaited desirable parts and repair option for the Williams Dotmation slots! There has not been any support for replacements for the DMD other than a few great people with some good working  original DMD  .  There is some great people here that I think have or can help get this working with all what you have done already!!  Thank You!! I will try to keep this active as I have a few Dotmations and I would willing to try a replacement in on of my machines for sure. Thanks Again!!  Please to my fellow NLG members,  Please chime in.

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I cant help with Dotmation Data. but I am so glad you are here to help with Slots DMD !!!!   It's been a long awaited desirable parts and repair option for the Williams Dotmation slots! There has not been any support for replacements for the DMD other than a few great people with some good working  original DMD  .  There is some great people here that I think have or can help get this working with all what you have done already!!  Thank You!! I will try to keep this active as I have a few Dotmations and I would willing to try a replacement in on of my machines for sure. Thanks Again!!  Please to my fellow NLG members,  Please chime in.


If you have some Dotmation machines it would be great if you would invest 10 or 15 $ and buy such a logic recorder device and do the recordings on your machines. The data is not so hard to get and I can walk you through the process. The only thing you need is a windows or OSX laptop and the device . This one is shipped from within the US https://www.ebay.com/itm/124238666414

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OK Great! I want to help. I ordered it. I have laptops. I will need your help to get what we need to make this happen. Please stay in touch! Thank You!! Tim

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OK Great! I want to help. I ordered it. I have laptops. I will need your help to get what we need to make this happen. Please stay in touch! Thank You!! Tim


Let me know when you have received it.

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I most definitely will!!

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I have laptops with  either of the following. Which windows version  will work best?  XP, Vista, 7 or 10 ? I will have to load a program onto my laptop correct ?  I will need some hand holding, if you don't mind,  to get this accomplished .   The  analyzer will be here  soon.  Sat - Tues is the estimate for delivery. Comin from West coast has been quite reliable mail service.

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I just saw the post and was going to chime in, but since Sunrise already chimed in and bought what was needed, I will just stand by and offer support.


I know your product from Pinside as I also own pinball machines and am a regular over there.  I do not own your product (yet), but would be very interested in what you develop for the WMS 40x slots.


So I am guessing that you would need readings for every game??   If that is the case, whatever Sunrise may not have (software wise), either myself, Fusco, or one of the others here can probably get to him.


I believe I have most of the DMD software, and whatever I do not have, Fusco has for sure.  The ones that are probably not available are Batters Up and the Monopoly games.  But pretty much no one has those kits anyway.  I believe I have the software for the other 21 DMD games.
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And just to put it all in one place, here is a list of the 24 DMD games (that I know of):


First, the 3 that I do not have:

1.  Batters Up
2.  Monopoly: Advance to Boardwalk
3.  Monopoly: Roll and Win


and the rest that I believe I have all the software for:

4.  Piggy Bankin
5.  Big Bang Piggy Bankin
6.  Mermaids Treasure
7.  Mermaids Gold
8.  Jackpot Party
9.  Jackpot Beach Party
10. Jackpot Country Party
11. X-Factor
12. Magic Lamp
13. Winning Streak
14. Pharaoh's Fortune
15. Mega Multiplier
16. Palace of Riches
17. Stroke of Luck
18. Jackpot Stampede Deluxe
19. Riverbelle 21
20. Jackpot Limbo
21. Perfect Match
22. Shopping Spree
23. Money to Burn
24. Safe Cracker


Again... Let me know what you need.

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Calfdemon , please jump in as I have no experience with this data stuff. I will need hand holding to even try to help. I'm not savvy at all with a computer .  I have a few
 slot games . Never had a pinball machine.  SO PLEASE you any anyone else,  jump in !!  Thank You !  Tim

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Not a problem, I will see what I can do.  My issue right now is spare time.  But I pointed Fusco to this thread and will wait to talk with him and see if he is interested in helping as well.  Reason for that is I have total of 7 machines set up and 5 of those are with DMD games (the other 2 are non-dmd right now).   2 of my DMD machines are at a vacation house and not accessible often.  So I currently am running 3 DMD game kits at home and have 2 off-site. If we need data from every game, that is a lot of game swapping to do each one.  Obviously, for this purpose, we would only have to swap the game software to get the readings and can leave the glass and strips alone so it is not as bad as it sounds.


But Fusco has a lot more of the games set up which would be a lot less swapping of eproms.  So lets see if he wants to help out.  If not, I will buy the stuff and do it (never done the readings before either) but not sure when I will have the time to do it between work obligations and scheduled vacations, etc.. that all seem to be on the horizon.


Since I am not familiar with the data collection, can you confirm that you would need data from each individual game?  Or is this a one time data collection on HOW the machine transmits data and then once you have that, you are able to convert whatever each individual game would send?   Just clarify a bit on how much data is going to be needed so I (we) can see what we are in for.


Thanks!


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OK Great!  I have the time to get this  project started right away. No problem there. 

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I went ahead and bought one of the logic readers off of eBay for the measly $12 shipped.  So I have one coming.  Waiting for Lucky1 to clarify the data collection and needs.

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Calfdemon. Great !!

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Lucky1, as I am waiting for the data cable to arrive, which Windows OS will be best to do data collection? I could load the program  onto my laptop. Thanks! Tim

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Hi guys, sorry for not posting sooner, but I am on vacation and won’t be back until next week.  I would be happy to contribute to the data collection and have all of the software except for the three games calfdemon spoke of. Batter’s up, and the two monopoly games.
I would like to know a little more information from Lucky1, so please PM me when you have some time. Sounds very interesting.
Thanks
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Lucky1,  if  needed here is my email tkrozleski@hotmail.com .  Data  Cable scheduled to arrive tomorrow 25th.  Fusco , Great to see you found this post.  With you and Calfdemon here to help !!!! And please,  anyone else. Thank You   Tim

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I received the data analyzer the other day..  Just waiting on Lucky1 to come back and reply.  I will send him a message on Pinside as well.

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OK Great! Thanks!

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I reached out to Lucky1 on Pinside and he is on vacation until June 1st.  But will probably pop in here soon enough.  In the meantime, I will see what I can do this week as far as some data collection.

 

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