The randomness of it all?

[Ratspot]

I know that slot machines have a random generator that know what the outcome is immediately after you press the button and presents you with an entertaining outcome to the calculation. My question is..
when there is an "A" "B" decision to make, like in a bonus round, does it know the outcome there also or is it a true 50 50 chance?

[cowboygames]

It's never 50/50. I was suspect your odds are as good as they were on the reels, which is whatever the payback percent is set for on the machine, but it knows what's gonna happen before you. Like on bonus rounds where you pick 3 to win either a mini, minor, major or grand jackpot, I think it's already decided as soon as the round starts. You're just revealing what's already been decided for you

[rickhunter]

It's not that simple.  Some games that have a pick option are pre-determined, it will even say so on the paytable help screens (like dancing drums), although not all do.  On some games the picks are not decided for you other than the values that are behind the pick tiles.  Jackpot party is one of the games where the picks are not pre-determined for you. 

[videoporker]

I've wondered about the poker games, specifically the PE+ games. Does it "deal" all ten cards at once, or only the first five and continues to random until the discard?If it deals all ten cards at once is the order fixed? Say it deals you A,K,Q,J 4. you discard the 4 and draw a 9. If you had discarded the A would you have drawn the same 9 in it's spot? If you discard two cards would you still get the 9 as next card dealt no matter?Curious.

[rickhunter]

According to what I've been told, the cards are "shuffled" before they are dealt, and the order is then set.  As the cards are drawn, discarded, the order does not change from the original deck.  Each hand drawn uses a 52 card deck randomly shuffled just once. So to answer your question, yes the 9 would be the first card dealt no matter which card you discard as it would be the next card on the deck.

What makes the "video" blackjacks that so commonly seen nowadays a bit "unfair", is that each hand of blackjack is a new deck, so the outcomes and odds are not quite the same as in a physical blackjack table where card counting can be used as a strategy.

[Stayouttadabunker]

Please allow me throw a monkey wrench into the gears for people wanting to understand...

Question: If the RNG is so "random", how can it adhere to a Par sheets' given house percentage? 
Is this where the term "confidence values" comes into play?

[rickhunter]

The RNG does not "adhere" to a paytable's theoretical return.  The return percentage is based simply on the cummulative odds of every winning combination.  It's like saying tossing a coin is a 50/50 chance of getting either heads or tails.  How does the outcome eventually get close to the 50/50 probability of outcome if the action of tossing the coin is the random element. So the PAR sheets provide the results of several million slot plays and compares them to the theoretical values, the number of times the simulation is ran is the necessary number to get a specific confidence value.  The confidence level tells you how close to the theoretical outcome the sample size provides.  The bigger the sample size, the better the confidence level.  Think of it like presidential polls.  They poll around 2,000 people to try to determine the outcome of a much larger population, as the confidence level will be proportional to sample size.  To get 100% confidence level  you have to poll every person, but to get in the high 90's, it is a lot less people to poll.

[jay]

PAR sheets are relevant for Slots where there is a fully random outcome.
Not so much for poker games where the player alters the actual outcome.
In this case the posted payable is a better predictor but a bad player could really screw up the outcomes.

[Stayouttadabunker]

Excellent reply Rick! 
I hope your answer to my question helps peeps understand a Par sheet better! 


I also agree with you Jay, I should have clarified I meant slot sheets like for a regular S+Double Diamond 3reel, single payline for example.

It got me thinking about how similar it is for a bunch of guys at a blackjack table trying to count cards for a probable outcome and a drunk sits down and starts hitting on 19....haha

[videoporker]

Talk about random. A few weeks ago I hit 2 ROYAL FLUSHES about 10 minutes apart on my home PE+ playing DDB. Both diamond suit.

[rickhunter]

Jealous of all the people that post of their Royals.  I've NEVER hit a Royal flush, it is just an unbelievable run of bad luck!

[shortrackskater]

Jealous of all the people that post of their Royals.  I've NEVER hit a Royal flush, it is just an unbelievable run of bad luck!

Same here! 
I'm always one card short, one card short, one card short. Stupid machines. And I have 6 poker games! UGH!

[jay]

I own 3 S+ and a PE+, I have never hit the top award on any of them.