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**Reel Slots** Gaming Machines => IGT S and S-plus Reel Games => Topic started by: Greaty on August 18, 2016, 05:04:20 PM
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i have a code 41 then i reset and get a 42 then a 43 i went to 61 1 and reset that works for about three spins then starts all over with 41 please help as i am new to this.
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41, 42 and 43 are all reel errors. I would check the clearance of the reels to make sure they are not rubbing against something creating the error. If that doesn't fix it, the cables that control the reels are under the reel shelf toward the back. It is a molex type connector that you can pull out. Examine all 3 connectors make sure there are not burn marks and then plug them back in, making sure they are in nice and tight. After that, the other thing to check are the reel control chips on the MPU, the easiest way to do that is to swap out the mpu board with a known working that, otherwise it involves desoldering the existing chips and installing new ones. If you don't have a spare MPU board, now is the time to get one while they can be found relatively easily. The S+ is built like a tank, and things rarely go wrong with them, but they are over 20 years old now, and eventually getting parts for them is going to be very difficult, so if you want to keep it around for a while, I suggest you get some spare parts, like MPU's, motherboards, reels, and a power supply.
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ok how do i know what mpu to get is the number on the board?
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just a heads up if i turn the reels by hand a little then shut door it works for a little the i get one of the errors 41 42 43. could it be the reels themselves?
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Have you checked to make sure that nothing is physically rubbing on the reels when the door is closed? The wires that run above the fluorescent tube that is mounted above the reel glass are good suspects -- they'll be taught when the door is open, but watch them closely as the door closes, they start to sag. If they sag enough, they could touch the reel baskets while they're spinning, possibly causing a reel error.
As far as what MPU board to purchase, if that's the problem, you're likely in the market for an IGT S+ 10mhz MPU board. No particular part number, just a 10mhz S+ MPU board.
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nothing rubbing wired tied every thing.
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one of the reels #3 does wobble a little i don't know if that will effect it. it doesn't touch anything tho.
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Just a suggestion...
Are the small nuts on the lower side of the display board tight? I was hearing a scraping noise (not to the point of causing a reel tilt) and found that to be the cause.
Also, with the door open move each reel ~two notches one at a time. Each one should cause the machine to run the right to left reel alignment with the door open so you can look for anything rubbing in the cabinet or odd noises.
Edit: how much wobble?? Is a spoke cracked?
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no strip was not in groove properly i just got machine and i got it in so the wobble is very slight. nuts are tight. but it does not do the wheel alignment when i move the wheels a little.
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Hmm, that doesn't sound right? With the power off you should be able to easily move any of the reels with no resistance. As soon as you power up they should visibly "stiffen". After that, when you move a reel does it resist (like a "notch") turning? Even one "cnotch" causes my machine to do a reel alignment.
I'm new here.. just going by how my Triple Sapphire works. They appear the same to me? I'm sure a more senior member will know more.
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:Scratch-Head: when powered off they are free when powered on the first to have very little to no notch the third one has notch but they do not realign.
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When you shut and latch the door does the display blank for ~10 seconds and then reverse spin all three reels?
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no
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it does blank but most of time it does not spin never took notice if it reverse spins
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Sorry, my mistake.
If the door is just opened and closed it doesn't do the right left alignment.
If, when the door is open mine will do a re-align if one reel is moved. After that, when the door is shut it will again do an alignment.
Door open, power cycle, the BV runs it's self check, then the reels do a right/left spin. Close the door, the display blanks and the the reels do another right/left spin, the display comes on and the lower (blue) candle flashes until the next spin completes.
Maybe try re-seating the reel connectors or possibly temporarily swapping the reels to see if the "limp" behavior follows?
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when i first got it it do a realignment now it just stopped. :banghead:
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Another thought... how does the motherboard power connector look? The S+ is known for having problems because of that? If you search here you'll see several posts of how to spot/fix that problem. It should be pretty obvious as a darkened/burnt pin in the molex connector.
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nope looks nice and white . :Crazy: this thing is killing me it worked for a week after i bought it now it's driving me nuts.
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Just ordered a mpu and reel set figure i'm going to need them as backup any way. let us pray!
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Shotgun rather than diagnostic but.. oh well?
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i was told by one of the regs that it doesn't hurt to have spare parts especially cause the machine is getting older and parts eventually will come near impossilbe to find in the future.still trying to figure it out tho so i can actually have spare parts! lol
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:applause: so its fixed i put spare reels in first but with no luck it came up with same code so put the old reels back in and then replaced the mpu board that did the trick. but now my question is can i replace the reel chips on old mpu board so that i have a spare? what chips would i need to replace and where could i get them?
thank you to every one who helped. :thank_you:
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The problem isn't likely in an EPROM chip on the bad board, but rather one or more components on the board that have gone bad. I have not done board-level repair on a S+ MPU, so I'd have to defer to someone who has.
Well, I take that back -- I just had a thought cross my mind. Did your machine ever work with the old board? Was your old board a 16 MHz board by chance? If you're not sure, take a look at this post (http://newlifegames.com/nlg/index.php?topic=1095.0) to see the differences between a 10 MHz and a 16 MHz board.
Also, what SP chip was in the old board?
If you try to use a 10 MHz SP chip on a 16 MHz board, one of the symptoms is that the reels get all wonky, which could result in reel errors.
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it is a 10 mhz and yes it did work. then it had a error code of 41 but if i messed with the reels i could get it to spin again but it would only work for about three spins. when it hit the nudge feature the one would nudge up then the rest would shake a little. now when i did the new board it works fine with no shaking of other reels during the nudge feature.
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Did you use the same SP and SS chips (ie. did you transfer them from the old board to the new board)?
If you are not using the same SP chips, what SP chip was on the old/bad board?
Again, I'm no expert on board-level repair, but I seem to remember that there's a bank of five resistors near one of the edges of the board that hold the reels in place when they're not supposed to be moving. If one (or more) of them is failing, it could cause reel errors.
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i only changed the game prom and the reel prom that was it. just noticed dollar bill validator is not accepting bills now, how do i fix that?
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You probably need to enable the validator, you will require a SET chip in order to do that.
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the bill validator take the bill in holds for five seconds then spits it out. the chip in the bottom of the head is a 2.51, if i do need the set chip what one would i need?
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If the bill validator is taking the bill in, it's already enabled and you would not need to use a SET chip to enable it. To test, use only a $1 bill in good condition.
Did your machine previously accept bills?
Are you using the exact same SP chip that you were previously using?
When it is holding the bill before it spits it out, does the Insert Coins lamp flash? If so, the bill validator is set to the wrong ID. You haven't told us what kind of validator you have, so it's tough to tell you for sure how to resolve that until we know what you have.
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sorry here are some pictures. i replaced the game prom chip and the reel prom chip from old board. yes it did take bills before i switched mpu board. the insert coin light does not go off when bill is inserted.