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**Reel Slots** Gaming Machines => IGT S and S-plus Reel Games => Topic started by: jidrd55 on October 08, 2018, 07:42:06 PM

Title: IGT Haywire, can it be fixed?
Post by: jidrd55 on October 08, 2018, 07:42:06 PM
My machine has a CC-33 comparator, without the cover as well, I want to convert from $1 tokens to quarters, would I have to change the comparator and the hopper?  My machine is an IGT Haywire, I bought it a couple of days ago, the battery on the CPU board burst and leaked acid onto one of the starters mpu board capacitors which fell off. Also, the acid corroded the mpu transformer. I am looking at a new board on eBay, waiting for a response from the seller. Honestly, does anyone believe this machine can be saved?





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Title: Re: IGT Haywire, can it be fixed?
Post by: Amechanic on October 08, 2018, 07:57:53 PM
If the wiring is intact, then I would think the machine can be fixed. Your best thing is to start your own repair thread under IGT S+. Post pictures too, they are helpful to us.








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Title: Re: IGT Haywire, can it be fixed?
Post by: rokgpsman on October 08, 2018, 08:47:20 PM
...My machine has a CC-33 comparator, without the cover as well, I want to convert from $1 tokens to quarters, would I have to change the comparator and the hopper?  My machine is an IGT Haywire, I bought it a couple of days ago, the battery on the CPU board burst and leaked acid onto one of the starters which fell off also the acid corroded the transformer. I am looking at a new board on eBay, waiting for a response from seller. Honestly does anyone believe this machine can be saved?

Below is a link to the IGT S+ forum area, just click and then look for the "New Topic" button to post your problem description.  In general, when you convert a machine from $1 size coins/tokens to quarters you will need to change some of the hopper parts. If the coin comparitor is a CC-33 it was designed for larger coins, so it would need replaced with a CC-16. Also, right below the coin comparitor are the coin optic boards, they have a plastic spacer between them that is sized according to what coin the machine uses. Most people also change the coin head where you insert the coin into the machine so that it is the right size slot for a quarter.

http://newlifegames.com/nlg/index.php?board=80.0 (http://newlifegames.com/nlg/index.php?board=80.0)

Most people here would say that any machine can be saved and returned to working condition if you apply enough time, money and willingness to do the work. Of course those three things vary from one person to another. Machines that have been in floods or have had mice living in them and chewing on wiring are some of the worst to work on.




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Title: Re: IGT Haywire, can it be fixed?
Post by: jidrd55 on October 09, 2018, 02:18:51 AM
Thank you Amechanic, sorry for high jacking this thread, just learning my way around this forum. I really appreciate it.
rokgpsman-Thank you for your insight, I will start my own thread after work today and post pictures. No chewed wires or flooding so I'm hopeful it can be fixed. I paid $100 for it so even if it cost a few hundred to  fix  I feel like I'm still ahead of the game. Thanks again for the help.







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Title: Re: IGT Haywire, can it be fixed?
Post by: jidrd55 on October 09, 2018, 04:05:06 PM
My machine is an IGT Haywire, I bought it a couple of days ago. The battery on the CPU board burst and leaked acid onto one of the starters (edit- capacitors) which fell off. Also the acid corroded the transformer. I am looking at a new board on eBay, waiting for a response from seller. Honestly, does anyone believe this machine can be saved? I am adding some pics to show the damage from the battery acid, it looks as if the board, not sure of it's name, on the bottom where the cpu board sits needs to be switched out as well. Also, can anyone tell me what is missing from the bill accepter?




(edit to correct "starters", meant to say "capacitors")

Title: Re: IGT Haywire, can it be fixed?
Post by: shortrackskater on October 09, 2018, 04:34:52 PM
We need to see the pictures. Not sure how the battery could leak on a starter. They are in the inside of the door.  The MPU  is enclosed and away from the starters.
Please post a picture of the entire machine and the MPU board (MPU/chassis - back bottom of machine, pull up and lift out).
Title: Re: IGT Haywire, can it be fixed?
Post by: therockinelvis on October 09, 2018, 05:45:14 PM
Yes, it can be fixed. A replacement MPU at least. May need the mother board in bottom of machine if acid ate it bad too
Title: Re: IGT Haywire, can it be fixed?
Post by: jidrd55 on October 09, 2018, 06:42:42 PM
Hopefully these are the right photos!  :Scratch-Head:
Title: Re: IGT Haywire, can it be fixed?
Post by: shortrackskater on October 09, 2018, 06:52:41 PM
That's the mother board. Was there an MPU plugged into that? If so, please take a photo of that and post.
Title: Re: IGT Haywire, can it be fixed?
Post by: jidrd55 on October 09, 2018, 07:38:38 PM
 I keep getting file too large message, I will figure this out tomorrow, please remember- patience is a virtue! as I sling this phone across the room. :drool04:
Title: Re: IGT Haywire, can it be fixed?
Post by: Tilt on October 09, 2018, 07:45:05 PM
Attachments have to be less than 1MB.  Resize as necessary to get it under that and it will post. 


Your motherboard looks destroyed by the acid for sure.  Never saw a S+ lithium battery leak like that though.  Post pictures of the MPU board when u can.  I'm thinking someone put an alkaline battery in it?
Title: Re: IGT Haywire, can it be fixed?
Post by: jidrd55 on October 09, 2018, 07:54:36 PM
Ok, the battery is in the picture.
Title: Re: IGT Haywire, can it be fixed?
Post by: jidrd55 on October 09, 2018, 08:13:24 PM
This is it! I hope!
Title: Re: IGT Haywire, can it be fixed?
Post by: Sunrise Side on October 09, 2018, 08:16:49 PM
You may need the harness inside there that connects tp the motherboard as well. You will need to remove the entire metal MPU  housing and clean the acid before installing new boards and harness.
Title: Re: IGT Haywire, can it be fixed?
Post by: Amechanic on October 09, 2018, 08:17:53 PM
Your top picture is of the mother board. The MPU board plugs into it. It should be mounted on a silver metal tray with a black knob. Take a wider picture just a little farther away. As for posting here it can be tricky. I have figured out with my I Phone, if I email my pics to myself it ask how big I want the file. I down size to the med/lg file not the actual size.
Title: Re: IGT Haywire, can it be fixed?
Post by: Amechanic on October 09, 2018, 08:23:02 PM
They make 2 different MPU boards for the S+ machines. 16MHz and 10mhz. Yours is the 10mhz version, you can tell by the blue volume wheel on the top. The 16MHz boards don’t have that, you control the volume in the game settings. The other thing I see is that your missing your Reel Prom and Game prom chips.
Title: Re: IGT Haywire, can it be fixed?
Post by: Tilt on October 09, 2018, 08:35:59 PM
This is it! I hope!
Wow!  I've never seen a S+ lithium battery leak like that before, it did a lot of damage!  I'd take a look at the wiring and connectors that plug into the motherboard.  If they're damaged too it may not be worth trying to fix it.  If they look to be OK then you could replace the motherboard and MPU board and see what other problems it may have.  Like Amechanic said though you're missing the Game and Reel chips too. 


Haywire is a pretty popular game, so the reel strips and glass do have some value.
Title: Re: IGT Haywire, can it be fixed?
Post by: rokgpsman on October 09, 2018, 10:53:03 PM
Your bill acceptor is missing the DBV-200 "head" unit. You can still find those if you want to replace it. The DBV-200 connects to those loose cables that are in front of the bill acceptor stacker mechanism. And obviously you need a belly glass (unless you removed it).

The motherboard is the board mounted horizontally in the bottom of the machine. The mpu (cpu) board plugs into the motherboard from above and stands vertically. Both boards can be bought for reasonably low cost. But as mentioned earlier you will need to inspect your wiring and wiring connectors to make sure they are in good condition. If the wiring harness needs replacement it can probably be obtained from a good IGT S+ parts dealer such as Jim at Midwest Slots, among others here on NLG.

When you receive the replacement mpu board it likely will not have the required SS and SP game chips installed. So you will need to purchase those 2 chips (they are missing from your old mpu board). These are the large chips in sockets near each other.

Here is the NLG S+ information page for your 2 coin Haywire machine:
http://www.newlifegames.net/igtbible/IGT%202CM/Game%20Library%20-%20S-Plus%20-%20Haywire%20(2%20Coin%20Multiplier).htm (http://www.newlifegames.net/igtbible/IGT%202CM/Game%20Library%20-%20S-Plus%20-%20Haywire%20(2%20Coin%20Multiplier).htm)

You can select any of the SS chips shown in the chart. Notice that they have different player winning percentages, ranging from 75% to 98%. Most owners like their machine to have a higher percentage since that makes it more fun to play.

Haywire is what IGT calls a "TYPE 2" game, so for your SP chip you will need to select an SP chip that is compatible with Type 2 games, such as SP873 or SP1274. Also you will need to pick an SP chip that is compatible with the version of MPU board that you buy. Some SP chips are only for the 10mhz boards, others are only for the 16mhz boards.

List of most (but not all) SP chips:
http://newlifegames.com/nlg/index.php?topic=303.msg847#msg847 (http://newlifegames.com/nlg/index.php?topic=303.msg847#msg847)

Your machine has a denomination sticker of $1 on the front. This means it is likely setup for that large size coin. If you decide you want the machine to use quarters you will probably need to change some of the coin handling parts, such as parts on the hopper, the coin comparitor, and the coin spacer in between the coin optics boards. Also, the coin head where you insert the coin into the machine. You can post photos of all those coin handling parts and folks here can tell what will need to be changed if you decide to convert it to quarters. Or you can use $1 coins/tokens and not have to change anything.
Title: Re: IGT Haywire, can it be fixed?
Post by: jidrd55 on October 10, 2018, 02:42:04 AM
Thanks for all the information, the wiring and harnesses all look good, I have been in touch with someone on this forum about the cpu board, is $60 a good price? So what is a ball park estimate, with the boards and game chips and getting the bill validater working, I'll work on converting $1 tokens to quarters and belly glass later. Would any of you fix it or just part it out and put the money towards a machine that is already up and running? Again, thanks for all the help.
Title: Re: IGT Haywire, can it be fixed?
Post by: Amechanic on October 10, 2018, 03:47:42 AM
Your biggest hurdle is going to be finding the belly glass. This machines a toss up. If it had the glass for sure I would fix it, but with it missing parts and it’s others issues maybe not. I hope you got this at a cheap price.
Title: Re: IGT Haywire, can it be fixed?
Post by: Jim on October 10, 2018, 07:26:57 AM
looking at the pictures here is what you might be facing:

cpu board and a motherboard   approx.   110.00
2 chips  approx  30.00
200 head  and cash can    approx.  75.00 ( I would upgrade to a WBA  cost is 100.00  plus shipping.)   I have these parts
coin head, cc-16,  encoder  approx.  80.00    I have these parts
is there a hopper in the machine? since it has a hopper, it will have to be changed over to a 25 cent, shelf wheel ,star agitator. 
belly glass      approx.  75.00   (I do have the belly glass)
probably with lights, bulbs etc. . your going to spend approx.  400.00  to get this machine up and running.
the goop running down beneath the handle is from a shock absorber  in the handle mech, worst case, when the handle is used it will bounce half way up and lock in that position.

the decision is up to you, but this is a pretty close estimate of what you need and the approx. costs

Jim
Title: Re: IGT Haywire, can it be fixed?
Post by: rokgpsman on October 10, 2018, 10:19:46 AM
Your biggest hurdle is going to be finding the belly glass. This machines a toss up. If it had the glass for sure I would fix it, but with it missing parts and it’s others issues maybe not. I hope you got this at a cheap price.

Agreed, the Haywire glass is sometimes hard to find. You could get any lower-cost S+ belly glass piece that you like and install it for now, then change it out later if/when you find the correct Haywire belly glass. Many people wouldn't even notice that the belly glass was incorrect, the important glass is the upper one that has the payouts shown.

To everyone: I merged the OP's other recent posts about this machine that were in a different forum area with this thread so we can get them all together, makes for better understanding. They are dated a little earlier so appear at the top of this discussion (on page 1). In one of those earlier posts the purchase price of the machine was said to be $100.

The Haywire machine is one of the more popular S+ games, so it is probably worth getting repaired, especially if you plan to keep it. If your plans are to resell it then you'll want to find out approx what you can sell it for, then decide if the cost of repair is worth it. If you can do all the repairs yourself that will help lower costs.

You can post a WantToBuy (WTB) request here on NLG for free, someone might have the belly glass you need. If you want to do this just post a separate message in this discussion with the WTB request and we will get it moved to the Classified Ads area.

If there are other areas of the machine that look damaged or something you aren't sure about then post photos and we can advise about that. You can attach up to 5 photos per message, and post as many messages as you want. Each photo is limited to 1 megabyte in file size, that's 1,000 kb. I suggest you take a few photos showing the inside of the door, the lower cabinet area, the reels and reel shelf, hopper, power supply in bottom of machine, etc so we can better see its condition. Try to take the photos looking square-on, not from above, that way we can better see the details.

Is the outside of the cabinet ok, no holes or torn cabinet covering on sides or back? Does it have the coin tray at the bottom front of machine or is that missing?
Title: Re: IGT Haywire, can it be fixed?
Post by: jidrd55 on October 10, 2018, 01:38:11 PM
The tray coin is missing, I do want to keep it, husband wants to put in on the curb 😂, I did pay $100 for it, if I put another $400 in it that would be $500, I will do the work myself so no more $ added to it. It does have a hopper, I will post more pictures. I'm gonna take out the mother board now and see what it looks like after the acid damage is cleaned out and then post the pictures of the wiring and inside. One poster has the belly glass, not sure I won't just put a piece of plexi in it for now. The cabinet is in good shape other than the locks missing, there is one hole maybe a speaker was there but not sure; will need a reset key. My husband is worried that after spending all the money to fix it it still won't work, oh yee of little faith; and I won't have anything to play, I do have a RFranco The Tower of Babel machine to play, with its own issues but I guess that's a future thread. First things first, gonna get it cleaned then go from there. Thanks to everyone willing to offer advice as I'm sure it's no secret I am a novice at this. 😜
Title: Re: IGT Haywire, can it be fixed?
Post by: rokgpsman on October 10, 2018, 01:54:03 PM
The coin tray is easy to install, someone here will most likely have one, not sure of cost. I think the speaker is attached to the lower corner on the inside of the door, near the door hinge, but I may be thinking about a different model machine. The motherboard looks in bad shape but we'll see how it cleans up. The copper board traces may be damaged and eaten away by the battery leakage, it is pretty corrosive.

As you probably noticed, the mpu board is mounted to a flat metal plate called a tray. In one corner of the tray is a transformer that has a wiring cable that connects to the mpu board. That's how the mpu gets it's power. Usually when you buy another mpu board you don't get the tray or transformer, so you will need to reuse your old tray and xfmr.

The person you got the machine from probably gave up on it and took parts from it to sell or repair other machines. Having the hopper is good, that could be a costly item to replace.

On the side of the machine with the pull handle there is a round hole for the door lock, it is about 5/8 inch hole I think. It is located in the lower forward area on that side of the machine, near a chrome metal post that sticks out. That metal post is the lockbar latch post. You don't have to have a door lock, you can latch and unlatch the door by moving that chrome post up and down. It is attached to a sliding lockbar. The lockbar has a door optic sensor mounted to it (small round gold colored electrical part), the mating optic sensor is attached to the cabinet frame. Those two door optic sensors must align when the door is shut and latched for the machine to operate, part of a security thing the casino requires. One of the optic parts emits a beam of light (you can't see it, infrared) and the other optic part receives that light. This way the machine knows the door is shut and latched. The door lock keeps that chrome latch post (and lockbar) from moving to the unlatched position, so if you need to keep kids or gramps out of your hopper stash of coins then you will want to install a door lock.

Then up higher on the same pull handle side of the machine is a keyswitch, that is the reset switch. On the inside there are 2 wires that connect to the reset switch's terminals. It's just a simple switch but it takes a key to operate it, that way the casino players can't mess with it. If you didn't get the reset key they are avail for low cost, the industry uses a standard key called a "2341" key due to the number stamped on it. Here is an example:

http://www.spininc.com/01465-0 (http://www.spininc.com/01465-0)


.....I do want to keep it, husband wants to put in on the curb 😂..... My husband is worried that after spending all the money to fix it it still won't work, oh yee of little faith......Thanks to everyone willing to offer advice as I'm sure it's no secret I am a novice at this. 😜

If it was a Porsche or a boat he'd probably be all for working on your project.   :garfield:

Don't worry about being a novice, everyone started out the same way.
A confident attitude and willingness to learn is all it takes.  :cool_thumb_up:
Title: Re: IGT Haywire, can it be fixed?
Post by: sixcardmark on October 10, 2018, 02:09:35 PM
The only speaker on a s+ is on the bottom of the door just above the coin tray all the way to the left.

Title: Re: IGT Haywire, can it be fixed?
Post by: jidrd55 on October 10, 2018, 06:37:37 PM
I got it cleaned up, I'm posting these new pictures, I hope; I couldn't get the very tiny screws out of the mother board so I basically had to rip it out leaving the screws still in the metal, I don't know how I will be able to install a new mother board without getting them out and get new screws to hold it in place, any thoughts?

Title: Re: IGT Haywire, can it be fixed?
Post by: jidrd55 on October 10, 2018, 06:42:24 PM
Some more pics
Title: Re: IGT Haywire, can it be fixed?
Post by: jidrd55 on October 10, 2018, 06:47:31 PM
And the last ones, if anyone knows how to rotate pictures, please do?
Title: Re: IGT Haywire, can it be fixed?
Post by: rokgpsman on October 10, 2018, 06:49:44 PM
I turned your sideways photos right-side up, that happens sometimes when people post photos. Not your fault, just something about the upload process. On your reply#28 I accidentally lost one of your photos, can you post it again and I will get it taken care of. It has the file name that ends with "1725". Sorry about that.   :duh:

And on your last post it looks like you posted the same photo twice? (photo "1751"). Maybe you clicked on it a second time instead of a different photo.

On the screws that you can't remove they may be rusted into the threaded mounts. (I think the correct term for the threaded mount hole is a "boss"). You can try something like PB Blaster or other penetrating oil. Just squirt some of it on the frozen screws and let it sit for a while, maybe overnight. Then they should loosen up. You're right, you don't want to use so much force that you twist off the screw and break it.

That large spot of rust where the motherboard is mounted can be cleaned up. Amechanic has posted about how he removes the rust, I'll see if I can find it. Or maybe he will repeat what he does here. I think he uses something like a 3M scratch pad or maybe sandpaper, then spray paints the area with Krylon silver or chrome paint.
Title: Re: IGT Haywire, can it be fixed?
Post by: rokgpsman on October 10, 2018, 07:06:18 PM
I think this is the discussion about removing rust, then improving the chassis appearance and protecting it that I am thinking about:

http://newlifegames.com/nlg/index.php?topic=20612.msg110171#msg110171 (http://newlifegames.com/nlg/index.php?topic=20612.msg110171#msg110171)

http://newlifegames.com/nlg/index.php?topic=20612.msg110237#msg110237 (http://newlifegames.com/nlg/index.php?topic=20612.msg110237#msg110237)


If you have an electric sander, like a circular (orbital) sander or even a simple vibration sander you can use it to make the work easier. Or you can buy an inexpensive sanding block, many have clips or other way to hold the sandpaper in place.
Title: Re: IGT Haywire, can it be fixed?
Post by: Amechanic on October 10, 2018, 07:07:12 PM
I agree about getting some sort of penetrating spray for this screws. You might want to tap them lightly with a small hammer, then maybe try a small pair of vice grips on the screw heads. Don’t force them but move the screw left then right. Rock it back and forth. If it needs it spray them again. As for that rust you should try to kill it, then get a silver or aluminum color spray paint to touch it up.  Nice work so far👍
Title: Re: IGT Haywire, can it be fixed?
Post by: jidrd55 on October 10, 2018, 07:20:19 PM
Thank you for fixing the pics. When I get the screws out I'm not sure how I will be able to screw the new motherboard down, do screws come with them or is there someplace I can buy them, this is the only issue right now keeping me from ordering everything I need, I know the board will have to be held down securily or when I put the cpu in & out it will come out with it. Also, does anyone know of the wiring schematics when attaching the wires back, looks scary; I'd hate to burn up the new board.
Title: Re: IGT Haywire, can it be fixed?
Post by: rokgpsman on October 10, 2018, 07:41:02 PM
The motherboard mounting screws don't come with the board when you buy it. You might find a seller that will include the screws when you buy the board if you ask him about it to begin with. A lot of times a parts seller has machines sitting around that he takes various parts out of, so he might be able to get the motherboard screws and throw them in with the board purchase.

Be careful when removing the old motherboard screws, if you break one it will be difficult to remove the broken portion. After letting the penetrating oil work for a while try turning the screw slowly and carefully, gently. If it is still stuck then spray more penetrating oil on it and let it soak for a while. Or do the suggestions Amechanic mentioned earlier about tapping it lightly with a hammer, or turn it back and forth. This is all trying to loosen that old rust on the threads.

I think many of the motherboard connectors are different sizes to help get them connected to the right place. When you get the replacement motherboard you can post photos of the cables you aren't sure of and someone here can tell you where to plug it in. Every connector on the motherboard has a name, the name will be something like "J10" and that name is written on the circuit board near the connector.

Thanks for reposting the photo I zapped, I was trying to edit the sideways photos too fast since this is a live discussion.

Here is a diagram drawing of the motherboard showing its various connectors. IGT made different versions of the motherboard over the years, so the one you get may be different than this one. But we can get you the correct connector diagram once you get the motherboard and tell us its part number.

Some of the connectors are not "keyed", so they can be installed backwards - that would be bad. So when you get ready to install the new motherboard and connect the wiring cables to it double-check with folks here about how each connector gets inserted.
Title: Re: IGT Haywire, can it be fixed?
Post by: Amechanic on October 10, 2018, 08:01:31 PM
I’m sure who ever you do buy the mother board from, if you explain what happened and that you need some mounting screws, that they should be able to help you out with replacements. If not then take your old ones to your local hardware store to see if they can help. They usually have these special screws in drawers in the hardware isle.
Title: Re: IGT Haywire, can it be fixed?
Post by: Tilt on October 10, 2018, 08:04:54 PM
My husband is worried that after spending all the money to fix it it still won't work, oh yee of little faith;
I admire your confidence.  You have to right attitude to do it.    PM me an address and I'll send you the game and reel (SP & SS) chips you'll need for your new MPU board "Pro bono".
Title: Re: IGT Haywire, can it be fixed?
Post by: rokgpsman on October 10, 2018, 08:08:24 PM
 :cool_thumb_up:
Title: Re: IGT Haywire, can it be fixed?
Post by: jidrd55 on October 11, 2018, 02:54:54 AM
Thank you Tilt and everyone for your help, I am in contact with someone from this thread with the motherboard, cpu with battery and transformer and two chips all for about $130 with shipping, I asked him about the screws, just waiting for his reply. When I get home today I will remove the old screws, been soaking  overnight; if Mr. Lawrence doesn't have the screws I'll run to the hardware store as I'm sure the old ones will not be reusable. Thank you again Tilt, your offer is very generous and renews my faith in humanity. 😊
Title: Re: IGT Haywire, can it be fixed?
Post by: Amechanic on October 11, 2018, 04:02:25 AM
Most of the screws used in these are Metric, but there are a few standard SAE threads. I’ll gladly mail you the screws you need if the seller of the replacement boards won’t send replacements. I like how your not afraid to jump into this game and get it working again👍.. As for your other parts I think Jim at Midwest slots should have the hoppers wheel and shelf wheel. You will need the black plastic coin guide inside the coin in optics and a 25c coin head. You could even convert this to a nickel machine while your at it. This coin comparitor will be the same for quarter or nickel.

Gary
Title: Re: IGT Haywire, can it be fixed?
Post by: Tilt on October 11, 2018, 05:15:49 AM
OK.  It looks like you got it pretty well covered then.  Good luck!
Title: Re: IGT Haywire, can it be fixed?
Post by: jidrd55 on October 11, 2018, 09:12:18 AM
Thank you Amechanic, I haven't heard back from him yet, I really appreciate the offer and will definitely let you know one way or the other.  I am going to order everything I need after work today so if I don't hear back from him, I'll start shopping around again, the sooner I get ordered the sooner it will be fixed, crossed fingers. Thanks for your help, if I get this working I'll be looking for more project machines. Oh yeah, my motto is,

'if I can't fix it, it ain't broke!' 😂

Jess



(edit to fix font problem)
Title: Re: IGT Haywire, can it be fixed?
Post by: rokgpsman on October 11, 2018, 10:28:46 AM
You don't need to use it yet, but wanted you to know that next to the power switch on your machine is a white TEST pushbutton. When the machine is working better you can press this TEST button and view or change settings that have to do with how the machine operates, such as hopper limit, credit limit, bill validator on/off, sounds, etc. The TEST menu also has some diagnostic tests you can run to check certain parts of your machine like lights, coin comparitor, reels, coin hopper, etc. The TEST menu steps get displayed on the front digital display since there is no LCD display on S+ machines. Each TEST menu step has a number and its setting, like step "5-1", which means "menu step 5 is set to option setting 1". There are several options that can be set so the machine will operate the way you want it to. All of the menu settings will be set to default choices that may already be what you want, so you may not need to change many of them.

The TEST menu steps and options you get will depend on whatever SP chip you end up installing on your mpu board. Most of the basic & essential settings are in all SP chips. The higher numbered SP chips often have additional features that the lower numbered older SP chips don't have. When you find out your SP chip number let us know and we can get you the document for that particular SP chip. It will list all the TEST & Setup menu steps with the various settings you can change if desired. The SS and SP chips will have a label on top with the SS or SP number written on it.
 
The SP chip contains the software for overall operation of the machine. The SS chip contains the specific software for the game itself, in your case Haywire 2 coin.

Your machine will work with coins only if you want to, don't have to fix the bill acceptor unless you want the convenience of using paper money.
Title: Re: IGT Haywire, can it be fixed?
Post by: rokgpsman on October 11, 2018, 11:14:51 AM
Below the bill validator is a metal door (normally has a lock on it) on the front of the cash compartment. Inside is where the paper money is stored. After the bill validator accepts the bill it moves out the back of the DBV-200 and then gets placed into the "cash can" storage box that sits inside the cash compartment. Because it can contain lots of money there are usually a couple of security switches that tell the machine if the cash compartment door is not locked or has been opened. A similar switch senses if the cash can itself is removed. Most home owners bypass these security switches so they don't cause annoying nuisance errors. We can cover that when the time comes.

The power cord for the machine normally runs thru a hole at the back or in the bottom of the machine. That gets it out of the way. There is also a hole in the bottom of the machine for coins to go thru if the hopper gets full of coins. In the casino the stand for the machine has a hole that lines up with the coin overflow hole in the bottom of the machine. Inside the stand is a bucket or other container to hold the overflow coins. The overflow feature is not something most home owners need to have.

The power supply that operates most of the machine is located below the cash compartment. It has 3 fuses, there should be labels that tell you the size of each fuse. That white electrical outlet on the front of the power supply is a convenience outlet for plugging in a lamp or other item. Service techs sometimes use them. That service outlet will have power on it even if the machine is turned off, as long as the main power cord is connected to the wall outlet.
Title: Re: IGT Haywire, can it be fixed?
Post by: jidrd55 on October 11, 2018, 05:39:45 PM
rokgpsman, thank you I was wondering what that power supply was for. I ordered the motherboard, cpu? board and game chips, should get it in a couple of days. The cash can is missing, will I have to have it before the machine will work or will just closing the door be enough. It'll be a shame if I get it all ready and I can't take a test drive.
Title: Re: IGT Haywire, can it be fixed?
Post by: rokgpsman on October 11, 2018, 05:59:06 PM
I'm not expert on the S+ like some of these other guys are. But I think if you bypass the security switches for the cash can and the cash compartment door then you don't have to have a cash can installed in the machine. Even if you get the bill validator working the bills can just drop loosely into the cash compartment. Or you can order a cash can if you decide to get the bv working, I don't think the cash cans cost too much.

The security switches are just simple switches with 2 wires attached. You can remove the 2 wires from the security switch and twist them together so they are permanently attached. Then cover the twisted ends of the wires with a wire nut or electricians tape so they won't touch the bare metal of the chassis. This is what we call "bypassing" the switch.

The cash can security switch is at the back of the cash compartment, I think it has 2 green wires attached to it. The security switch for the cash compartment is above or beside where the cash compartment door lock would be (I think). You can look around in those areas and probably find the 2 switches unless someone has removed them and twisted the wires together. Post photos if you aren't sure. And if I'm wrong about the security switches or their locations someone here will correct me - it's happened to me before.  :garfield:

We're all waiting for you to get your new parts installed, hopefully that will get the machine working great, or at least working well enough for whatever the next step is.  :cool_thumb_up:
Title: Re: IGT Haywire, can it be fixed?
Post by: jidrd55 on October 11, 2018, 06:10:21 PM
rokgpsman, chips are sp 1146 type 2 game chip and ss4072 97% payback reel chip $10 each, motherboard $45, cpu board w/transformer w/o tray $50. $115 plus shipping. I guess it's a little late now, but are these chips the right ones?
Do I need a BV chip, a reset chip? The more I learn the more I realize I know nothing. :Scratch-Head:
Title: Re: IGT Haywire, can it be fixed?
Post by: rokgpsman on October 11, 2018, 06:14:55 PM
yes, SP1146 is the right SP chip for a Haywire machine. There are other SP chips that would also work ok. The SP1146 chip is compatible with the 16mhz version mpu ("cpu") board, so hopefully that is the mpu board you are getting. If you got the SP1146 chip and the mpu board from the same seller then he would make sure they will work together. He might even have installed the SS and SP chips on the mpu board for you. If not you will want to be careful about installing the chips. Don't want to install them backwards or in the wrong socket or bend the little metal legs along each side of the chip.

IGT made 2 versions of mpu boards, a 10mhz board and then a 16mhz board. Many of the SP chips are made for one or the other mpu boards.

Here is a list of most SP chips, with info about each one.
http://newlifegames.com/nlg/index.php?topic=303.msg847#msg847 (http://newlifegames.com/nlg/index.php?topic=303.msg847#msg847)


The SS4072 is a good choice, the 97% payback will let players win often enough to be fun, unlike some of the slot machines on the Strip in Vegas that are set to 90% or less.

There are 2 utility chips that S+ owners sometimes obtain. One is called the CLEAR chip, the other is a SET chip. You may need a CLEAR chip later. The SET chip is used to enable the bill validator. Many people buy both since they are often sold as a pair. If you don't plan to get the bill validator working you probably won't need a SET chip.

You're doing fine, don't worry about what you don't know yet. We don't want to shovel too much info on you too fast.

Title: Re: IGT Haywire, can it be fixed?
Post by: jidrd55 on October 11, 2018, 08:41:29 PM
Do I need this?
Title: Re: IGT Haywire, can it be fixed?
Post by: rokgpsman on October 11, 2018, 08:53:12 PM
Is that the bezel for the bill validator? Where did you get it? Or just thinking about buying it?





Title: Re: IGT Haywire, can it be fixed?
Post by: Amechanic on October 11, 2018, 10:18:08 PM
Do I need this?
That does not look to be the correct one for you machine.
Title: Re: IGT Haywire, can it be fixed?
Post by: rokgpsman on October 11, 2018, 10:34:01 PM
From looking at your earlier photo of the front of the machine it looks like you already have a bill validator bezel:

Title: Re: IGT Haywire, can it be fixed?
Post by: jidrd55 on October 12, 2018, 02:40:16 AM
I don't have the part with the connectors.

IGT AVP Slant Top Slot Machine BV Bill Validator Bezel w/ Harness & Light Board






Title: Re: IGT Haywire, can it be fixed?
Post by: jidrd55 on October 12, 2018, 02:44:07 AM
Will this work and do I need a BV chip?

IGT Slot Machine WBA 10/11 Bill Acceptor Harness

$10.00
Title: Re: IGT Haywire, can it be fixed?
Post by: rokgpsman on October 12, 2018, 06:10:05 AM
Your machine already has the DBV bill validator (bv) bezel installed, it is the black slotted part where you insert the paper money, mounted to the front of the door. When the door is shut it will align with a DBV-200 bill validator if it was installed.

Are you thinking of converting the bill validator from the DBV-200 setup in there now to a WBA setup?

The wiring harness you posted is part of a WBA bill validator setup. You would need the complete WBA setup if you wanted to convert the machine from the DBV-200 bill validator setup to a WBA. This means the DBV bill validator parts (such as the DBV bezel, DBV stacker, DBV housing frame, DBV power supply, etc) would get removed to install the WBA parts. It can be done, but you probably don't want to buy the WBA parts individually. This is what Jim was referring to back in reply #20 when he mentioned the parts for a WBA bv system. If you buy a DBV-200 it will cost less than converting your machine to a WBA bill validator, and installing the DBV-200 head unit will be easier by far than doing the WBA bv conversion work. But the WBA will be a few years newer and will probably accept more of the paper bills we have in circulation now. The DBV-200 is an older model of bv, it will work with many different bills but probably not the $100 since it got redesigned recently. For home use this likely isn't a big deal, as long as you can use $1, $5, $10, $20 or $50 bills most people are fine with that. I believe that a DBV-200 will accept all or most of the bills from the $50 downward.

You should probably look into the pros & cons of just replacing the missing DBV-200 "head" unit versus removing all of the DBV parts and installing a WBA setup. What Jim was showing in reply #20 is that a WBA setup doesn't cost much more than getting the DBV-200 head. Many people are still using their DBV-200 bv's and are happy with them, they work so no need for them to convert to a WBA. Another thing to consider, the rest of the DBV setup in your machine is unknown working condition at this time. Hopefully there is nothing wrong with the DBV power supply and the DBV stacker (the mechanism directly behind the DBV-200 head) but you won't know that until a DBV-200 head is installed. If you buy a WBA setup from Jim or another trusted seller you will know all of the WBA parts will be good working parts.
 
Keep in mind, your machine will work fine with coins only, you don't have to get the bill validator working right now unless you want to. Inserting coin after coin can get tedious for some players, but for others it is fun and reminiscent of the "good old casino days" when we used big plastic cups holding coins, so it just depends on the individual. The early S+ machines (and the S model) never had a bill validator, they were coin only.

Not sure what you mean when you ask about a "BV" chip. If you mean the SET chip then yes it will be needed if you intend to get a bill validator working. The default setting for the machine is to have the bill validator disabled. So it takes a SET chip to activate the bill validator. [there is a "bv" chip inside the bill validator that operates it and sometime people replace it (or flash program it) to do a software upgrade on the bill validator. But that probably isn't the "BV chip" you are referring to].
Title: Re: IGT Haywire, can it be fixed?
Post by: Jim on October 12, 2018, 07:56:57 AM
the bill unit on the S+ machine is a completely separate unit. you can remove it completely and the machine will function on coins. if you opt to go with the 200 head,  make sure it has the latest software for the newer bills, and has the IDO022 and 023 protocol in the software. you will also need the duckbill unit that goes on the front of the 200 head, it serves as a go between the door bezel and the 200 head itself (it directs the inserted bill so that the head will draw it into the unit.)  you will need a cash can for the unit to operate as well. the 200 head is pretty reliable as far as pulling in the bills, the problem with the unit is in the transport unit, ( the part in your machine)  when not used for long time the unit will jam, and disable itself, but still can be used with coins. unjamming is not difficult, but a PITA,  I believe Klar electronics has 200 heads and cash cans for sale. (last time I was there Alan had a shelf full).

long story short, the bill unit , even if it is broke ,will not affect the machine operation.

Jim

Title: Re: IGT Haywire, can it be fixed?
Post by: rokgpsman on October 12, 2018, 08:21:57 AM
.....chips are sp 1146 type 2 game chip and ss4072 97% payback reel chip.....

As promised, below is the SP1146 document. When you read thru it don't worry if there are parts to it you don't understand at this point. But it will be a handy reference for you later. For many of the settings you probably won't ever need to make changes. And there are settings for casino use that most people don't use at home, such as the SAS casino network interface, progressive jackpots, etc.

The TEST menu system is accessed by pressing that white TEST button near the power switch and watching the digital displays on the front of the machine. You keep pressing the TEST button until you get to the step number you are interested in. Then you can see what that setting is set to and change it if needed by doing something else like turning the jackpot reset key or pressing a player pushbutton on the front of the machine. To exit the TEST menu you just close the main door of the machine.

The TEST button menu system is part of the software in the SP chip, so you will need to have the mpu board and motherboard installed to use the white TEST button.

As Jim said, here is the KLAR website, he is one of the trusted NLG parts sellers that has DBV-200 heads for sale:
https://www.slotmachinerepair.com/ (https://www.slotmachinerepair.com/)
Title: Re: IGT Haywire, can it be fixed?
Post by: jidrd55 on October 12, 2018, 09:02:02 AM
Jim I read your post earlier and was trying to figure out how to contact you, other than phone; still trying to navigate my way around this site. But please tell me what I need and do you accept PayPal as payment?
Title: Re: IGT Haywire, can it be fixed?
Post by: rokgpsman on October 12, 2018, 09:09:39 AM
To the left of every message is the username of the person that posted the message. If you click on their username that will take you to that persons "profile" page and it often has ways to contact them, such as an email address, telephone number, website of their business, etc. A common way to communicate on NLG is by using private messages, you can send a pm by clicking on the "private message" icon to the left of the person's message.

here is Jim's profile page:
http://newlifegames.com/nlg/index.php?action=profile;u=39 (http://newlifegames.com/nlg/index.php?action=profile;u=39)
Title: Re: IGT Haywire, can it be fixed?
Post by: jidrd55 on October 12, 2018, 01:38:31 PM
Thank you rokgpsman, I should have been able to figure that out but it took over a month after joining this forum to figure out how to actually post a question. I read a lot of the threads in that month and it's the reason I decided to get a machine to fix, it was how I fixed my other slot where I hit the jackpot without a reset key, I learned about the different error codes, which none are the same on that machine as any I've read on here but it did guide me in the right direction. All of this knowledge in one place is amazing.
Title: Re: IGT Haywire, can it be fixed?
Post by: jidrd55 on October 12, 2018, 02:14:34 PM
I am going to get the part for the bv and later convert from $1 tokens to real quarters, I like feeding the coins into the machine it reminds of  being in the casinos when they first came to the coast. However I don't like pulling out the hopper every time I run out of money, those things are heavy; so I put a plastic container, the ones deli ham comes in; in the hopper to catch the quarters so all I have to do is take that out instead of the big ole heavy hopper. I'm torn between keeping the one I have and buying the parts I need and upgrading to the WBA. Need to decide fast cause when I get the boards in I won't be able to play it, no tokens. I don't know maybe I should focus on changing to quarters first. What would that entail? Which comparator? Coin shute? Coin head, I haven't found any of them for IGT S+. I did find a quarter hopper, but like I said, I can just put the container in the hopper to catch the quarters. Decisions, decisions! :banghead:
Oh and Jim, I just figured out 'PITA' I'm slow but I get there. :drool04:
Title: Re: IGT Haywire, can it be fixed?
Post by: rokgpsman on October 12, 2018, 02:42:30 PM
.....Oh and Jim, I just figured out 'PITA' I'm slow but I get there.  :drool04:
yeah, he wasn't talking about bread.....   :garfield:

If the machine is setup for $1 tokens it will also work with $1 coins, and vice-versa, they are close enough to the same size that it will be ok. So you could play the machine with $1 coins or tokens and not have to change anything that has to do with the coin handling - like the coin head, coin optics spacer and coin hopper. $1 coins or tokens sound amazing when they are dropping into a coin tray for a payout, people loved it back in the day before ticket-in-ticket-out came along. But it can be costly for a private owner to stock the machine's hopper with $1 coins or tokens, so that is the negative about using $1 size coins/tokens.

The coin comparitor has an example coin installed in it, that is called the "sample" coin. You can install practically any metal coin or token into the coin comparitor as the sample coin. That sample coin is then the only type of coin or token the coin comparitor will accept from the player to put playing credits on the machine. If the coin comparitor is a CC-33 then it is designed for larger coins and the coin pathway inside is usually too wide for use with quarters. There is a way to add some guide strips to the coin pathway inside the CC-33 to let it use quarters. As the player's inserted coin slides thru the coin comparitor it's metallic and magnetic properties are compared to the sample coin's properties. If they match the coin is accepted, if not it is rejected back to the coin tray. The accepted coin then drops out the bottom of the coin comparitor and passes thru the 2 coin optic boards. They sense the coin passing by and signal the mpu board to put a credit on the machine. The coin then slides into the coin hopper.

The most common coin comparitor for an S+ machine using quarters is called a CC-16. A CC-16 is shown below with the sample coin installed. A CC-33 model coin comparitor looks slightly different but operates basically the same way.
Title: Re: IGT Haywire, can it be fixed?
Post by: jidrd55 on October 12, 2018, 03:37:21 PM
 Ok great, I didn't even think about using silver dollars, the simplest things seem to evade me at times. The cover plate is missing from the comparator and I don't see any other numbers on it but I tried to put an example quarter in it and it was way too small. This is really great news and I really feel like an idiot for not realizing this myself, please don't tell the others. :nerd:  Now I can relax and wait for the boards to come in, just table all of the indecision for now. Thank you, thank you, thank you, in my best Gomer Pyle voice.  :applause:
Title: Re: IGT Haywire, can it be fixed?
Post by: rokgpsman on October 12, 2018, 03:56:08 PM
To convert to quarters you'd need to change the following parts, if I miss something maybe someone will mention it:

1) possibly the coin "head" or bezel, the entry point where the player sticks in a quarter. Since the $1 coin head slot is larger than a quarter you may be able to get by not changing it since a quarter will pass thru it and probably drop into the top of the coin comparitor. The reason the correct coin head slot is often needed is so people can't insert a larger coin than the machine is setup for. That could cause a coin jam.

2) the CC-33 coin comparitor you have will probably need modified to narrow the coin path inside it since it is designed for large coins. People buy the coin guide strips, or add a couple of lines of caulk in a ridge to form the guides. Or you could replace the coin comparitor with a CC-16 that is made for quarters. You will also need to insert a quarter or quarter-token into the coin comparitor as the sample coin. The coin comparitor will not work unless a sample coin is installed.

3) below the coin comparitor are the coin optic boards. There are 2 of them, mounted with a space between them. In that space there is a plastic coin spacer part that makes sure the coin passes thru the coin optics boards in front of the coin optic sensors. If the coin spacer in there now is made for a $1 coin then there will be too much space for a quarter and it may not always pass in front of the coin optic sensor part. The quarter will still go to the hopper but you won't get a playing credit on the machine. You can get the correct quarter spacer, or make one out of non-conductive stuff like a piece of the foam my Mom uses when she makes dining chair seat cushions. If the foam is a little thicker than the distance between the coin optic boards then it will squish a little and be held in place. Attached below is a picture of what the coin optic spacer part looks like.

4) The hopper has a few parts that are made for whatever size of coin the machine uses. There is a coin wheel that rotates and picks up the coins, I think this wheel has a "shelf" that is specific to the size of coin being used. As the coins get to the top of the wheel there is a hopper knife that picks the coin off the wheel and directs it to the dispensing chute. That knife is different for different coins. There is a coin counter at the top of the hopper that counts the coins leaving the hopper. That counter has to be adjusted according to the size of the coin. You won't have to replace the counter, just adjust it.

The parts pictured below are just examples, don't buy them for your machine as they may not be for quarters.
Title: Re: IGT Haywire, can it be fixed?
Post by: rokgpsman on October 12, 2018, 04:15:57 PM
Here is the mfr webpage for the CC-33, see if their pictures look like the coin comparitor you have. Their website also has some information about the CC-33 that might be helpful.

http://www.coinmech.com/product_profile.cfm?id=13 (http://www.coinmech.com/product_profile.cfm?id=13)

Title: Re: IGT Haywire, can it be fixed?
Post by: jidrd55 on October 13, 2018, 06:24:31 PM
Totally stripped her down, waiting for all the parts, so far $300, I'm thinking maybe a little more for bulbs, belly glass, candle light and if I don't fry the chips and/or boards I'll have a game to play. the waiting's the hardest part.
Title: Re: IGT Haywire, can it be fixed?
Post by: Amechanic on October 13, 2018, 07:43:53 PM
When you buy your candle make sure it’s for the S Plus. I’m not sure if the ones from a S2000 would work? Your going to need the adapter for the slanted top because of the 16” cabinet you have. But these are a the little things you can buy down to road.
Title: Re: IGT Haywire, can it be fixed?
Post by: jidrd55 on October 14, 2018, 02:43:35 PM
Amechanic thank you I have been looking for the candle light but could only find the S2000, was wondering if they would work on my machine. I have someone from EBay checking on the light and adapter.
I removed the light board (not sure if that's the name) so I could pull the buttons and noticed that the small bulbs look like they are blown and one is missing, I have seen the bulbs on EBay but haven't seen the small black adapters do you know where I can purchase these?
In the picture of the 'play max credits' button is the insert supposed to be white or have they yellowed with age, all of them are this color? Do you think if I made these inserts with business card paper the light would still shine through?


Title: Re: IGT Haywire, can it be fixed?
Post by: rokgpsman on October 14, 2018, 02:55:10 PM
You could try your idea of making new inserts with white business card paper and try it, won't hurt anything. Sometimes removing the button lens (top part) to get to the insert/legend inside the lens is difficult, it might crack when pulling and prying on it. The plastic is many years old and can become brittle. But it looks like you got it apart ok, good job. From your photo of the buttons taken apart I'd say the plastic that the legend is made of has yellowed due to the heat inside the button from the bulb over the years. So cleaning probably won't whiten it up.

The bulbs in the lighting board are called "wedge" style bulbs due to the shape of the base of the bulb. They have a bulb number written on the glass but it might be hard to read without a magnifying glass (or a handy 15 year old). I think they are 6 volt bulbs, someone here will know for sure. Be careful when buying "IGT slot machine bulbs" as a general thing, IGT used different bulbs over the years on different model machines. The bulbs are held in place on the lighting board by little plastic bulb holders that twist into the opening in the lighting board. There are likely folks here that have the bulb holders.

The button inserts (or legends) are pristine white when new. But over the years heat from the bulb inside the button and the ever-present cigarette smoke in a casino can yellow the buttons. Cleaning will sometimes make them look better. If you want to replace the buttons or the inserts there are people here that have buttons and their parts, and they are for sale online too. A whole set of S+ buttons can be costly, depending on where you buy them:

https://www.ebay.com/itm/IGT-S-UPRIGHT-SLOT-MACHINE-BUTTON-KIT-INCANDESCENT-/352247443032 (https://www.ebay.com/itm/IGT-S-UPRIGHT-SLOT-MACHINE-BUTTON-KIT-INCANDESCENT-/352247443032)

Some S+ owners remove the incandescent bulb from the buttons and install an LED style bulb. They give off a lot less heat and you can do some neat things with the different LED bulb colors that are available. Some of the S+ and S2000 folks here can expand on that LED lighting if you are interested.
Title: Re: IGT Haywire, can it be fixed?
Post by: Amechanic on October 14, 2018, 03:04:43 PM
Your best bet is to buy a 5 button set for the S2000 with the switches and swap out those yellowing ones from the S+ models. I did it with my Haywire that I’m rebuilding here. As for the black mini bulb holders can be found from just about any vender. I just check my mini bulb numbers and they are #86..
Title: Re: IGT Haywire, can it be fixed?
Post by: jidrd55 on October 14, 2018, 06:00:27 PM
Rokgpsman, I am checking into the led lights, I might even change out the fluorescent lights, there are three in the Haywire, seems they would be cheaper to run 24/7. Ain't gonna lie the button was a pita until I figured out what the two tiny little holes in the back were for.  :yes:  It's a learning experience.
Amechanic, so the S2000 buttons are interchangeable with the S+?
Title: Re: IGT Haywire, can it be fixed?
Post by: Azslot on October 14, 2018, 06:14:16 PM
We have S plus parts. Candle, tray, used good buttons, bulbs #259, #86 and the small black holders. I also have a Haywire belly glass. If any of these items are still needed, please feel free to call our shop. 602 606-2400.
Title: Re: IGT Haywire, can it be fixed?
Post by: Amechanic on October 14, 2018, 06:33:51 PM
The S2000 buttons fit the holes in the S+ button deck perfect. If you swap to the S2000 deck button just make sure to get them with the switches. You swap out the whole button. I learned that on some S+ you can swap just the buttons and use those light sockets and switches, but on others they don’t fit right and the switches won’t work. So I just change the whole assembly now. You get nice white button. The second reason I like to swap out the older S+ buttons is that they seem to be brittle and break easy when you have to change the bulbs. As for Florescent bulbs to LED that’s not as easy and is expensive. If this were a S2000 you could do it for around $30.00, but the S+ uses a light ballast that powered by 110v. The ones in the S2000 I think are a 24v ballast.
Title: Re: IGT Haywire, can it be fixed?
Post by: rokgpsman on October 14, 2018, 06:44:51 PM
.....I might even change out the fluorescent lights, there are three in the Haywire, seems they would be cheaper to run 24/7......

You don't have to leave the machine powered on 24/7 unless you just want to. Many slot owners only turn on their machine when they want to play. However, they are nice to look at when lit up, so as a decorative thing I can see that aspect of it. There are led light sticks that fit in place of the fluorescent lights. But really a fluorescent bulb doesn't use that much elec, it is the incandescent bulbs (the ones with a filament) that consume a lot of elec power. So replacing the fluorescent bulb with LED may not save much on elec usage. I think the LED light sticks are often installed because of the lighting effect they give, and that may be the main reason instead of elec power consumption and heat concerns. There are several discussion threads here on NLG about installing LED lighting, the search feature should be able to bring them up, you may have already found some of them.
Title: Re: IGT Haywire, can it be fixed?
Post by: rokgpsman on October 14, 2018, 06:49:01 PM
.....Ain't gonna lie the button was a pita until I figured out what the two tiny little holes in the back were for....

You are learning fast, I see that Amechanic has taught you another thing....    :garfield:
Title: Re: IGT Haywire, can it be fixed?
Post by: sixcardmark on October 14, 2018, 07:13:24 PM
Changing out the 3 fluor tubes in a s+ to led's is too much trouble (pita) and expensive, where a s2000 is almost plug and play.  I use the f15t8/D fluor tubes 6500K and like them alot.  The super white color make them look like led's. 

There are two different size clear lens and black button frame on these machines where the lens won't fit inside the black button frame on some.  That black part on s+ also likes to crumble when you try to take them apart.
Title: Re: IGT Haywire, can it be fixed?
Post by: Tilt on October 14, 2018, 07:40:49 PM
Not really too expensive, about $12 per tube shipped when I bought some.   I put these in all my S/S+ slots, at 5500k they're a nice bright white.  They're adjustable too which is nice for the reel glass.  You do have to do some electrical work though as you remove the ballast transformer and starters, but it's not difficult.

I think they look great in my games.  Use less power, last longer, no UV to mess to fade glass/strips etc etc.
Here's the ebay vendor I got mine from a few months ago.

https://www.ebay.com/itm/T8-LED-Tube-Light-Bulb-18-17-3-4-7W-F15T8-Fluorescent-Replacement-5500K-4pack/232572146727?hash=item3626615427:g:7yQAAOSwBSxa~PwI:rk:1:pf:0 (https://www.ebay.com/itm/T8-LED-Tube-Light-Bulb-18-17-3-4-7W-F15T8-Fluorescent-Replacement-5500K-4pack/232572146727?hash=item3626615427:g:7yQAAOSwBSxa~PwI:rk:1:pf:0)


Title: Re: IGT Haywire, can it be fixed?
Post by: Amechanic on October 14, 2018, 08:11:06 PM
Thanks Tilt. I might have to order a set to try. Last time I checked on LED bulbs in this size, they were twice this price.
Title: Re: IGT Haywire, can it be fixed?
Post by: rokgpsman on October 15, 2018, 04:28:48 PM
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...Package: 4-Pack of F15T8 LED Tube Light-18" (17-3/4" Actual Length), 7W (15W Equivalent)

That ebay ad says the LED light sticks use 7 watts per bulb but have the equivalent light of a 15 watt fluorescent bulb, so they do save a little more than 50% elec compared to the fluorescent bulb. But we're talking small amounts of elec usage - the old 15wt fluorescent bulb uses about .125 amp and the LED 7wt stick uses about .06 amp. (there are some elec losses in the ballast, that's why it gets warm, but they aren't huge once the bulb is lit, just during startup).

As Tilt said you would need to do some rewiring to run 120 volts directly to the new LED bulb, don't want the old ballast or starter to be in the circuit, those parts can be left in the machine and disconnected, or removed. By converting to LED you'd get rid of the hum and flicker that fluorescent lighting sometimes has. And the light from LED is crisp and appealing.

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Post by: jidrd55 on October 15, 2018, 06:07:08 PM
I bought the lights Tilt referenced on EBay and some led's for the buttons and the smaller bulbs, they change colors so we'll see how that looks, I had to girly it up. I found some buttons with good legends also.  My husband is a retired electrician so hopefully he'll offer to do the wiring on the bulbs, if not I read up on it, doesn't look too challenging.
Rokgpsman, I have learned so much from everyone of y'all, I can't thank y'all enough for taking the time to share your invaluable knowledge.  :thank_you:
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Post by: rokgpsman on October 15, 2018, 06:21:38 PM
It's gratifying to see someone take a broken machine and work to bring it back from the dead. And your enthusiasm for this is what NLG is all about. So we are glad you are here and sharing with us the details of your project.  :cool_thumb_up:

When you get the LED bulbs that go inside the buttons and on the lighting board please post a photo of one of them showing the base of the bulb and its electrical leads before you install them. Some LED bulbs designed for automotive use have leads that wrap around on both sides of the bulb base, that gives a more reliable connection on a vehicle due to road vibration. But in some cases that style of bulb can cause a short on S+ machines. You probably don't have anything to worry about but we've sometimes seen people convert to LED lighting and the LED bulbs they install cause a short, due to the way the machine's bulb holder contacts are made, they aren't compatible with the bulbs that have the leads that wrap around the base onto both sides. If the bulbs just have 1 lead on each side of the bulb base, the leads don't extend to the other side of the base, then I believe those are the kind that are safest to use. If I'm remembering correctly on some styles of S+ bulb holders it doesn't matter but on others it does. There are several discussion threads here on NLG about LED bulbs and which ones to avoid and which ones to use.

Not trying to rain on the LED parade, just don't want you to have a problem.

It sounds like Tilt has done several LED conversions to S+ machines so he can probably give excellent guidance and maybe even photos to show how you disconnect the ballast and starter parts, and connect the 120 vac wires directly to the LED light stick. To connect wires the plastic "wire nuts" sold at all hardware & home improvement stores make the job easier and neater. Your husband probably has a stash of them in his toolbox or the garage. They come in different sizes, color-coded, depending on how many wires and what size of wires you're connecting. You want the wire nut to be snug when it twists on.
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Post by: Tilt on October 15, 2018, 07:05:24 PM
I bought the lights Tilt referenced on EBay and some led's for the buttons and the smaller bulbs, they change colors so we'll see how that looks, I had to girly it up. I found some buttons with good legends also.  My husband is a retired electrician so hopefully he'll offer to do the wiring on the bulbs, if not I read up on it, doesn't look too challenging.
Rokgpsman, I have learned so much from everyone of y'all, I can't thank y'all enough for taking the time to share your invaluable knowledge.  :thank_you:


I think you will be very happy with them.  On the S+ Bullseye slot machine in my avatar it reduced my power consumption for that machine by 45w from 116w to 71w, roughly 38%.  The old florescent tubes by themselves were 45w (15w X 3).  The new LED tubes were 21w (7w X 3), for a difference of 24w.  The remainder of the energy savings (21w) came from removing the ballast transformers and starters (about 7w each).   I measured the difference with a "kill-a-watt" meter which is fairly accurate.


Like Rokgpsman said, I'll be happy to help you if you have any questions with removing the ballast transformers and rewiring it.  The directions that come with the tubes are pretty good and since your hubby is an electrician I'm sure you wont have any problems. 
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Post by: rokgpsman on October 15, 2018, 07:25:50 PM

That's a good reduction in power usage, more than I expected with removal of the ballasts.
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Post by: therockinelvis on October 16, 2018, 04:19:06 AM
We have all heard the saying, If your husband is a mechanic your car needs work, or if a carpenter the house needs work, an electrician has wiring issues at home. It's part of the Honey Do list
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Post by: jidrd55 on October 16, 2018, 01:16:12 PM
He's good at keeping things running around the house specially the air conditioning, but he didn't want me to fix this slot, didn't think I could; he even tried to bribe me by offering to buy me a working one. I just couldn't see throwing this one away when there's still a lot of life in it. Of course. I was more than willing to let him buy me one as well as fix this one but noooo not part of the deal. There's a lot at stake here, if for some reason I can't fix it I'll have to hear 'I told you so' for the rest of my life. :banghead:
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Post by: Amechanic on October 16, 2018, 01:23:17 PM
Like you said in a earlier post too, it’s about being able to play coins and hearing them clink in the coin try when you cash out. To me the newer games can be boring on one hand because you just feed them paper money, but they do offer more features like bonus games and winning extra spins.
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Post by: rokgpsman on October 16, 2018, 03:16:38 PM
.....There's a lot at stake here, if for some reason I can't fix it I'll have to hear 'I told you so' for the rest of my life. :banghead:

More than likely replacing the motherboard and the mpu board will get it going. The battery damage to those boards was extensive but probably didn't affect anything else, such as the power supply, reels, hopper, etc. As long as the wiring that connects to the motherboard wasn't damaged you should be on the downhill side of things. Just be careful when plugging in all those wiring cables to the new motherboard, don't want a boo-boo.

Are you going to let him play the machine when you get it running? Sure, but you should keep the key to the machine so you can keep the money he loses. That way he is helping pay for the parts you needed. :garfield:
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Post by: jidrd55 on October 16, 2018, 05:21:22 PM
I got the first part in and finished taking the parts off the door, the easier it is for Husband to get to the wires the better chance he'll do it. I didn't upgrade the bill validator, I got the head and BV for $55, it was guaranteed and I didn't know if the one in the machine worked, also the head alone was $39. When installed it made noise like it works, doesn't take in bills though. Does it have to have boards in to see if it actually works. I am changing to quarters, I'm thinking about getting a quarter hopper instead of changing out the parts in the old one, I'm posting a picture of the new one, is it the right one?
oh yeah he can play, if he can get me off of it. But yes I will have to hide the key.  :I_agree_1:
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Post by: rokgpsman on October 16, 2018, 05:31:08 PM
Uhhh, no pictures are on your last post.

Yes, the DBV head will make some noise when you turn the machine on, it is "initializing". And it won't work until the mpu is in the machine and working.

What do you mean "you got the first part in", does that mean you got something and installed it? Or that you got it in, as in it was delivered? Which part is it?
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Post by: jidrd55 on October 16, 2018, 05:31:51 PM
 :nerd:
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Post by: jidrd55 on October 16, 2018, 05:34:35 PM
Yes, I got the part in and I installed it, I posted a picture. The head and the BV.
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Post by: rokgpsman on October 16, 2018, 07:54:20 PM
Ooops - I missed that post with the photos.
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Post by: therockinelvis on October 17, 2018, 01:52:44 AM
Looks like a hopper for a slant top to me. Not for upright machine
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Post by: jidrd55 on October 17, 2018, 02:46:00 AM
Mine is s slant top.
Rokgpsman, I couldn't post the pictures from my phone so I posted them later from my laptop, that's why you didn't see them in the first post.
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Post by: rokgpsman on October 17, 2018, 05:29:34 AM
.....Mine is s slant top....

The photo of your Haywire machine shows it to be an upright machine, not a slant top??   :Scratch-Head:

A slant top machine is one that is shorter in height and the reel glass player pushbutton area slants at a 45 degree angle (actually less than 45 degrees). The second photo below shows a slant top machine. The hopper is different on a slant top machine because it has to push the coins upward to the coin drop box. So the slant top hopper has a long curved coin chute on top of it. In your reply #87 above the first photo looks like a hopper for a slant top machine. (that photo is enlarged and repeated below)

.....I am changing to quarters, I'm thinking about getting a quarter hopper instead of changing out the parts in the old one, I'm posting a picture of the new one, is it the right one?.....

As therockinelvis said, I think that hopper in your photo is for a slant top machine, not for an upright machine like your Haywire machine. So don't buy that hopper in the photo you posted. Take a look at the hopper that came with your Haywire machine, notice how it is made compared to the slant top hopper in your photo. On an upright machine hopper the coins are dispensed from the left side of the hopper and fall into the coin tray. On a slant top hopper the coins are moved upward from the top of the hopper and are pushed into a vertical slide chute called the coin escalator. At the top of the coin escalator the coin is dispensed into the coin box on the front of the slant top machine.

If you want to, before you buy any major parts you can post a photo of them so we can be sure it is correct for your machine. If you are shopping for another hopper what you want is a quarter hopper for an upright IGT S+ machine.

After you get the motherboard and mpu boards replaced and the machine is working you can test your dollar hopper. If it works ok it may not be that big of a deal to convert it to quarters. The quarter conversion parts to do that will likely cost less than buying and shipping another hopper, unless you score a good deal on one. Someone here can guide you in doing the quarter conversion, if you want to look into that just ask what all is involved. No need to overly fear the conversion job, it's just some screwdriver stuff from what I understand.
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Post by: jidrd55 on October 17, 2018, 09:35:22 AM
Oh great! I assumed because the top of the cabinet is slanted it is called a slant top. I have been thinking everything S+ and slant top is made for my machine, dang it! You know what they say about assuming!😳 Don't know how many things I have ordered for a slant top. This makes me want to take it out back, burn it, then go buy a set of knitting needles! 😫
😭😭😭
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Post by: sixcardmark on October 17, 2018, 09:45:35 AM
Try to list what you bought for slant top cabinet or pics and we can see what you can use and what you can't.

There are 3 variations of upright cabinets.  They just have 3 different size tops (and top glass) to them often referred to as: 9" chop top, 16" round top, and 16" slant top.  That's what got you confused.
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Post by: jidrd55 on October 17, 2018, 10:27:16 AM
So mine is the 16" round top? 🤔
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Post by: sixcardmark on October 17, 2018, 10:35:19 AM
No its a upright with 16" flat glass.  Round top upright has round glass.

Here is pic of a round top upright. It's a older model with no bill validator but it's a round top:

You just need all upright parts.  The top only matters if you need the top glass, everything else is the same.

Those console type cabinets called slant tops have a lot of different parts than the uprights do.
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Post by: jidrd55 on October 17, 2018, 01:53:35 PM
Thank you sixcardmark, I guess that bit of imformation is something I should have researched before I started buying parts, huh?
Rokgpsman, I ordered the most important parts, motherboard, cpu board and chips from someone on NLG, also some other parts from someone else on this forum so I trust that they knew which machine I had and what parts to sell me. However all the other parts I ordered from EBay and other online stores so if they're for the wrong machine it's only because I didn't know what the heck I was doing.
I'll get all of the invoices together and post the list later this evening and I won't order anyhthing else before checking here first. I really think I have ordered everything but the belly glass and the parts for changing the hopper to quarters. 
I decided to take your advice about using the old hopper.


I learn more from my mistakes than I do my accomplishments!
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Post by: jidrd55 on October 17, 2018, 03:49:20 PM

T8 LED Tube Light Bulb 18" 17-3/4" 7W F15T8 Fluorescent Replacement 5500K -4pack (http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=232572146727)

IGT S Plus Set with 6.3 Volt LED & Decals (BS-002) (http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=122992982403)

6-Slot Machine color changing LED 6.3 volt DC bulbs and sockets IGT S-PLUS (http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=302910966865)

Slot Machine parts IGT 9295 model #96400300 BELL #333 (http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=263982697734)

CC-16 35 Quarter coin head. 15 CC backing plate and optics 20

IGT Slot Machine SPEAKERLESS Chrome Coin Tray (http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=263773672225)

IGT S + PLUS SLOT MACHINE Owners & Service MANUAL (http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=271912707581)

TESTED WORKING Japan Cash Machine Co 12V bill validator MODEL# DBV-200 -IGT slot (http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=173583610478)

Attendant/reset keys #2341 (http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=123403491547)

S-Plus cpu board, motherboard, transformer, reel and game chips and all the screws for the cpu, motherboard, and transformer

Candle light, adapter, miscellaneous stickers
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Post by: sixcardmark on October 17, 2018, 04:03:53 PM
I think you ordered all good parts!
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Post by: rokgpsman on October 17, 2018, 04:32:51 PM
.....Oh great! I assumed because the top of the cabinet is slanted it is called a slant top......

I think they build them that way so my casino drink slides off when I try to sit it there.   :garfield:
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Post by: sixcardmark on October 17, 2018, 04:35:23 PM
.....Oh great! I assumed because the top of the cabinet is slanted it is called a slant top......

I think they build them that way so my casino drink slides off when I try to sit it there.   :garfield:

I think that is their true purpose.  :I_agree_1:
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Post by: Amechanic on October 17, 2018, 05:11:58 PM
Biggest difference between slant top and up right is these glass kits. The MPU traythat the board sits in might be different. Not sure about the reels and strips.
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Post by: Rpowell18 on October 17, 2018, 05:26:31 PM
i have a Haywire and call jjslots.com.i got another motherboard and all the chipsets for my machine.They might be able to help
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Post by: sixcardmark on October 17, 2018, 05:29:54 PM
Biggest difference between slant top and up right is these glass kits. The MPU traythat the board sits in might be different. Not sure about the reels and strips.
Motherboard, MPU tray, and reels are different.  Strips are the same.  Here is a pic of a slant top mobo:
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Post by: rokgpsman on October 17, 2018, 05:55:28 PM
yeah, the reel assembly is different because the viewing angle thru the slant top reel glass is different on a slant top vs an upright where you look straight-on. Not sure why they had to use a different motherboard, maybe because there are so many more security switches on a slant top cabinet and that means more wiring connections? And as we've covered, the hopper is different in a slant top. Plus there is no belly glass on a slant top.

Biggest difference is the experience of moving a slant top - it is much bulkier & a heavy job even for 2 people.
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Post by: Amechanic on October 17, 2018, 07:09:48 PM
They are like moving a fridge. I own two of them. Ones a Bally 5500 Wild Rose and the seconds my GK. I move these with my appliance dolly.
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Post by: jidrd55 on October 18, 2018, 02:32:28 AM

I think they build them that way so my casino drink slides off when I try to sit it there.   :garfield:



😂😂😂


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Post by: Sunrise Side on October 18, 2018, 04:21:50 AM
If you ordered a complete coin head, a slant top coin head assembly is different. If you ordered just the quarter backing plate, your good to go.
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Post by: jidrd55 on October 18, 2018, 05:47:01 PM
Sunrise, I ordered the complete coin head assembly from someone on here who saw my machine so I'm pretty confident he knew the one I needed.
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Post by: jidrd55 on October 18, 2018, 05:54:16 PM
I got the buttons, switches and legends in today, here's the pictures installed, getting there slowly but surely. Still waiting for the boards; also,I'm posting pictures of a metal piece that was in the slot when I got it, does anyone know what it is for?
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Post by: sixcardmark on October 18, 2018, 06:03:38 PM
That metal piece goes over the wires on the right side of bill validator to keep them out of the way of door closing.
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Post by: Amechanic on October 18, 2018, 06:32:42 PM
That metal piece goes over the wires on the right side of bill validator to keep them out of the way of door closing.
That cool piece. Nice if you have the DBV to protect those wires.
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Post by: jidrd55 on October 18, 2018, 06:55:02 PM
Thank you sixcardmark. Amechanic I have the DBV, it was the first part I got in the mail.
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Post by: Amechanic on October 18, 2018, 07:00:26 PM
I converted mine to the WBA, replacing the DBV unit. I just never saw that metal protector bracket before. Now I know where it goes if I find one in a machine or parts box. 👍
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Post by: Amechanic on October 20, 2018, 12:22:37 PM
You will need the reset key to clear any possible errors. Install your EPROMs in the MPU Board but watch the direction the go. If you notice the epro has a half round notch on the top of one end. The socket also has a half round notch on one end. So match both notch to notch. I would like to see how those LED conversion bulbs look when your finished. It’s like building a jigsaw puzzle, once the pieces start going together and you can start to see the picture, you can’t wait to see it finally put together.
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Post by: jidrd55 on October 20, 2018, 12:53:09 PM
Thank you Amechanic, I have it all together gonna put the EPROMs in now, I think this is most nerve racking part of all. I ordered the reset key from EBay, the first part I ordered but I guess it will be the last one I get. Would it hurt anything if I changed out the reset cylinder with a toggle switch?
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Post by: Amechanic on October 20, 2018, 01:17:46 PM
No not really. The reset key cylinder is spring loaded, meaning it spring back ice turned. It’s not met to be left on. You could even just jumper the two wires inside as needed to duplicate what the reset lock does. I think it’s correct term is a momentary switch.
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Post by: jidrd55 on October 20, 2018, 01:23:52 PM
What if I jump it out with a screw driver by touching both ends with a flathead at the same time?
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Post by: jidrd55 on October 20, 2018, 01:37:51 PM
 SP1146 is the right SP chip for a Haywire machine. There are other SP chips that would also work ok. The SP1146 chip is compatible with the 16mhz version mpu ("cpu") board, so hopefully that is the mpu board you are getting. If you got the SP1146 chip and the mpu board from the same seller then he would make sure they will work together. He might even have installed the SS and SP chips on the mpu board for you.


One other thing, the cpu board is supposed to be 16mhz, but this board has the volume wheel on it, someone said in an earlier post that the volume wheel is only on the 10mhz board, will it ruin the chip if it's not the right board?


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Post by: Shaggy on October 20, 2018, 01:43:31 PM
The board you have pictured is a 10 MHZ board. The 16 MHZ chip will make the reels act wonky. (that's a technical term) It most likely won't ruin the chip but it won't run the game either.

Dave
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Post by: Amechanic on October 20, 2018, 03:55:33 PM
Should work. A piece of wire works too. Your dealing with low voltage so you won’t get shocked or  electrocuted.. 🧐
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Post by: jidrd55 on October 21, 2018, 10:55:28 AM
I jumped out the reset key lock with a wire nothing happens, when I switch on the power the reels jump and there's a slight hum, when I switch the power off single numbers flash just for a second in the winner paid, credits and coins played windows 0, 3,5 & 8 just one number every time I switch it off. The led tube lights work and the bv cycles through with a grinding noise. The SP chip I got with the boards was for 16mhz, I got the 10mhz, the seller is sending the correct chip, is this the reason nothing is working?
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Post by: sixcardmark on October 21, 2018, 11:15:10 AM
Yes, I think you need 10mhz sp to get it to do anything.  Never tried it.
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Post by: Amechanic on October 21, 2018, 11:18:12 AM
If you don’t have the correct chip, I assume that could cause what your seeing. The MPU can’t talk to those EPROMs due to there speed and programming. Your bill acceptors sounds normal. They tend to be noisy and sound like they want to blow up. 🤣
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Post by: jidrd55 on October 21, 2018, 11:24:06 AM
Thank goodness, I thought something was wrong with the mother board. On the CPU board there is a small blue rectangular box with white pegs in it, the pegs are not in the same position in the new board as it is on the old one, will that be a problem?
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Post by: Amechanic on October 21, 2018, 11:28:21 AM
 Doubt it will.. Post a picture so we can see.
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Post by: jidrd55 on October 21, 2018, 11:43:46 AM
On the old board.
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Post by: sixcardmark on October 21, 2018, 12:17:09 PM
Set them like old board 1234 ON (switch pushed down on end with numbers).  You may need to turn 4 off depending on SP, but probably not.
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Post by: Amechanic on October 21, 2018, 01:09:53 PM
Those are the dip switches used for different machine options.
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Post by: jidrd55 on October 21, 2018, 02:07:18 PM
1, 3 & 4 is on in this picture.
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Post by: sixcardmark on October 21, 2018, 02:19:05 PM
Hard to see them good in the pic.  1 & 2 both have to be on to change hopper limit in settings.  Leave #2 off and hopper limit will be set at 400.  So you may want to leave it off.
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Post by: jidrd55 on October 21, 2018, 02:57:06 PM
Ok great, that chart finally makes sense. Thank you.
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Post by: jidrd55 on October 21, 2018, 06:37:10 PM
I have a jackpot bell, but it doesn't have the right end to plug to the mother board also the wire is way to short, is this the right piece I need to attach to mother board and does anyone know where to buy the connector to the end of the bell, it is a two wire, I'll try to post a picture of it if not I will post the link to the one I bought from EBay.


Molex Plug, Female, 2 Pins, 2.54 MM, For Use With 70058 And 71851 SL Crimp Terminals.
https://www.ebay.com/itm/Slot-Machine-parts-IGT-9295-model-96400300-BELL-333/263982697734?ssPageName=STRK%3AMEBIDX%3AIT&_trksid=p2057872.m2749.l2648 (https://www.ebay.com/itm/Slot-Machine-parts-IGT-9295-model-96400300-BELL-333/263982697734?ssPageName=STRK%3AMEBIDX%3AIT&_trksid=p2057872.m2749.l2648)
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Post by: Amechanic on October 21, 2018, 07:44:08 PM
I just looked at my Haywire and didn’t see a JP Bell, but I didn’t pull my top glass. I don’t remember one up there tho??
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Post by: Amechanic on October 21, 2018, 08:31:11 PM
Call a friend on this JP Bell. He sent me this link off the old sight.. I now remember the thread. These S+ machines didn’t have a bell, but this shows you how to install one.

http://www.newlifegames.net/spset/bell.htm (http://www.newlifegames.net/spset/bell.htm)
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Post by: sixcardmark on October 21, 2018, 09:05:03 PM
One of my machines has one on it.  Harness looks the same as link Amechanic posted.

Here is a pic:
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Post by: Amechanic on October 21, 2018, 09:15:34 PM
Yea this is my Haywire. Nothing there.
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Post by: jidrd55 on October 22, 2018, 02:33:48 AM
Thanks guys, I found a harness on Spininc, it looks like it might work.
Title: Re: IGT Haywire, can it be fixed?
Post by: Shaggy on October 23, 2018, 04:41:45 AM
Guys this topic has become a mess. Boards, bells, comparators etc. We need to start a new thread for each new "fix" this machine needs. When a post is like this, no one down the road is going to read through all of this to find out about a bell. There is good information here that is lost because it has gotten so big everyone is going to ignore it. To the OP, Jidrd55, when you have your next question about how to fix something on this machine, please start a new thread. Thanks.........Shaggy
Title: Re: IGT Haywire, can it be fixed?
Post by: jidrd55 on October 27, 2018, 08:24:24 AM
[quote author=jidrd55 link=topic=21673.msg116619#msg116619 date=1540144528
 The SP chip I got with the boards was for 16mhz, I got the 10mhz, the seller is sending the correct chip, is this the reason nothing is working?

So I got the new sp chip 1207 and ss4072 installed them and nothing happens. I took the sp chip out and put the bv set chip in to see if the new mpu board, mother board, test button are working. Pressed the white button, numbers cycled through ending on 999 on the display panel along with other numbers maybe 2-0, can't remember; then I pressed the spin reel button and the numbers cycled through again ending on 999. So I set the 25 cent denom, pressed the white button shut the door and turned the rest key. Nothing showing on display board, coins drop out of the bottom and bv won't accept bills. Help!!!
Title: Re: IGT Haywire, can it be fixed?
Post by: sixcardmark on October 27, 2018, 08:44:27 AM
Did you use the clear chip instead of the set chip?   Should not get 999 with set chip.  Put sp and ss back in, make sure they are in right slot, right direction.
Title: Re: IGT Haywire, can it be fixed?
Post by: jidrd55 on October 27, 2018, 10:26:51 AM
ok the chips are back in and in the right direction. Still nothing.
Title: Re: IGT Haywire, can it be fixed?
Post by: Amechanic on October 27, 2018, 10:37:36 AM
You might want to look closely at your wiring connection plug to the mother board. If you had as much acid damage as you did, those connection in those plugs could be damaged. Just the vapors from the acid can damage those crimp connectors. I know a person who bought some S+ machines a few years back with similar damage from battery acid. He had to replace some of those cables.
Title: Re: IGT Haywire, can it be fixed?
Post by: jidrd55 on October 27, 2018, 02:26:19 PM
Sorry it's taken so long to reply, I'm a little under the weather; but It did run the numbers when I inadvertently put the clear chip in, just didn't get the 61 error code when the sp chip was installed. I put the BV set chip in, white test button, the spin reels button and digital display worked, also the .25 light is on and the reels can't be turned freely, do you think there could be something wrong with the game chip, or did it mess up the cpu board cause I put in a game chip for a 16mhz board?
Title: Re: IGT Haywire, can it be fixed?
Post by: Shaggy on October 27, 2018, 03:21:56 PM
When you close the door does the insert coin light up? If so, it may be just waiting for a coin to be inserted and the spin button to be hit.

Dave
Title: Re: IGT Haywire, can it be fixed?
Post by: jidrd55 on October 27, 2018, 04:24:35 PM
No it doesn't light up, coin drops straight through to coin tray. It is new comparitor, the green light doesn't light up, the BV doesn't accept money, also isn't the slot suppose to light up on the BV when it is working properly?
Title: Re: IGT Haywire, can it be fixed?
Post by: sixcardmark on October 27, 2018, 04:36:41 PM
CC only lites when door is closed.  Did you change 9-0 to 9-1 when you did set chip?  Need to do that to enable bv.
Title: Re: IGT Haywire, can it be fixed?
Post by: jidrd55 on October 27, 2018, 04:45:25 PM
Yes and set it to .25, closed door, dropped a quarter in it, nothing, tried numerous different bills, nothing.
Title: Re: IGT Haywire, can it be fixed?
Post by: jidrd55 on October 27, 2018, 04:49:48 PM
The so 1207 is supposed to a psr, I can't find any where on here , do I need that to be able to program the machine?
Title: Re: IGT Haywire, can it be fixed?
Post by: sixcardmark on October 27, 2018, 04:52:32 PM
Make sure the door lever is all the down when you shut the door. It looks like it may still be in open door state?
Title: Re: IGT Haywire, can it be fixed?
Post by: sixcardmark on October 27, 2018, 04:55:14 PM
The so 1207 is supposed to a psr, I can't find any where on here , do I need that to be able to program the machine?
You can't program the machine until you get a display!  Right now it is blank.
Title: Re: IGT Haywire, can it be fixed?
Post by: jidrd55 on October 27, 2018, 05:13:43 PM
The door does not line up well, when it is open it drops a littl and is very hard to close, I tried checking the door sensors with some of the suggestions on different posts on here but was unable to determine if they were actually lining up, but isn't there supposed to be a code 61 even if the door is open?
Title: Re: IGT Haywire, can it be fixed?
Post by: sixcardmark on October 27, 2018, 05:20:44 PM
Yes.
Title: Re: IGT Haywire, can it be fixed?
Post by: jidrd55 on October 27, 2018, 05:22:21 PM
Door is closed completely, bad game chip?
Title: Re: IGT Haywire, can it be fixed?
Post by: sixcardmark on October 27, 2018, 05:25:28 PM
61 or 65 and/or 67 whatever needs to come up and be cleared before using the set chip for bv.
Title: Re: IGT Haywire, can it be fixed?
Post by: jidrd55 on October 27, 2018, 05:33:20 PM
 :banghead:  So I'm gonna order a different sp chip, do ss chips work with any sp chip or do you have to have a specific one?
Title: Re: IGT Haywire, can it be fixed?
Post by: sixcardmark on October 27, 2018, 05:35:43 PM
You need a 10mhz type 2 haywire SP.
Title: Re: IGT Haywire, can it be fixed?
Post by: Amechanic on October 27, 2018, 06:34:13 PM
I just changed my SP chip from a 1085 to a 1274 on my Haywire and I really like it.
Title: Re: IGT Haywire, can it be fixed?
Post by: jidrd55 on October 28, 2018, 05:16:44 AM
Amechanic, where did you get the new chip and what number is your ss chip? Would you consider selling your old chip so that I could try a known working chip? When chips are changed do you use a clear chip before installing the new chip? Last question, what set of clear and set chips do you need for the sp1274?
Title: Re: IGT Haywire, can it be fixed?
Post by: Tilt on October 28, 2018, 07:11:50 AM
My offer still stands. 
Title: Re: IGT Haywire, can it be fixed?
Post by: jidrd55 on October 28, 2018, 08:24:13 AM
Yes please send the chips, thank you so much!
Oops! :fryingpan:
Title: Re: IGT Haywire, can it be fixed?
Post by: Amechanic on October 28, 2018, 09:05:16 AM
I see that Tilt has you taken care of. He has helped me many times. My SS chip is different then yours. I have. 3 coin game and your is a 2 coin version.
Title: Re: IGT Haywire, can it be fixed?
Post by: jidrd55 on November 01, 2018, 02:34:27 AM
I will be getting the new chips in today, do I need to use a clear chip before I install them?
Title: Re: IGT Haywire, can it be fixed?
Post by: sixcardmark on November 01, 2018, 12:26:59 PM
No you shouldn't have to clear it first.
Title: Re: IGT Haywire, can it be fixed?
Post by: jidrd55 on November 02, 2018, 05:42:13 PM
Ok this is what I have after 61-1 and turning key once, cash out light is on, 'insert coin' and 'coins played' are flashing, what next?
Title: Re: IGT Haywire, can it be fixed?
Post by: Tilt on November 02, 2018, 05:48:35 PM
That's a good sign.  Press the test button (should be a small white button by the power switch) and hold it until you hear a "ding", then close the door, and turn the jackpot reset key.

This post has more detailed instructions:

http://newlifegames.com/nlg/index.php?topic=21017.0 (http://newlifegames.com/nlg/index.php?topic=21017.0)

Title: Re: IGT Haywire, can it be fixed?
Post by: Tilt on November 02, 2018, 06:10:09 PM
Sorry, I misread your post.  It should be ready to play.  See if it will accept a coin.
Title: Re: IGT Haywire, can it be fixed?
Post by: jidrd55 on November 02, 2018, 06:21:59 PM
It doesn't.
Title: Re: IGT Haywire, can it be fixed?
Post by: Tilt on November 02, 2018, 06:36:15 PM
Darn!

Ok, well open the door and press the little white button below the coin comparitor.  Here's a picture of it, it's labeled S1.  Hopefully when you press it you'll hear a ding sound, press it again for the second credit if you do.  Then hit the spin reels button (with the door still open).  Do the reels spin?

Title: Re: IGT Haywire, can it be fixed?
Post by: Shaggy on November 03, 2018, 07:31:35 AM
Ok this is what I have after 61-1 and turning key once, cash out light is on, 'insert coin' and 'coins played' are flashing, what next?
After getting the 61-1, did you close the door and latch it before turning the reset key?
Title: Re: IGT Haywire, can it be fixed?
Post by: jidrd55 on November 03, 2018, 07:57:36 AM
Hallelujah, thank you Tilt for the picture of the oh so tiny white button, I have searched for it for hours on end, so it's true one picture is worth a thousand words! I got two credits, played it won 10 more, everything worked as it should. However it will not accept quarters or bills and the bv lights are not lit.
Title: Re: IGT Haywire, can it be fixed?
Post by: Tilt on November 03, 2018, 08:43:14 AM
 :applause:   Making good progress now.  Do you have a sample coin in the comparitor?  Here's a document I borrowed from Coinco's website that has the details.

If so, then try changing it with another coin.  Also there's a sensitivity adjustment that you can change that may help too.  You'll need a small screwdriver to adjust it.  It's located in a hole on the bottom right of the comparitor. You should see an Arrow and a + sign.  Turn it counter-clockwise to decrease the sensitivity and then close the door and drop a coin in and see if it accepts it or not.

Title: Re: IGT Haywire, can it be fixed?
Post by: Amechanic on November 03, 2018, 10:40:27 AM
Here’s a pic of how the sample coin needs to sit in the coin comparitor.
Title: Re: IGT Haywire, can it be fixed?
Post by: jidrd55 on November 03, 2018, 11:04:58 AM
One step forward two giant steps back! I changed the sample coin several times no change, adjusted the sensitivity no change. Took comparitor out and this time paying attention to color of wires on connector reinstalled it. Worked like a charm, played $5 until a coin jam, 21 error code, cleared jam, closed door, will not accept coins now.  :hissyfit:


21 code back on.closing door does not clear.
Title: Re: IGT Haywire, can it be fixed?
Post by: Tilt on November 03, 2018, 11:41:56 AM
That happens sometimes.  At least you know most of the machine is working now.  I read through the thread again and see that you switched from a CC-33 to CC-16.  Can you post a picture of your comparitor and optics as they are now?   
Title: Re: IGT Haywire, can it be fixed?
Post by: jidrd55 on November 03, 2018, 01:12:04 PM
here it is.
Title: Re: IGT Haywire, can it be fixed?
Post by: jay on November 03, 2018, 01:19:01 PM
I would push the white button through the cycle, close the door. It should come right up.
Title: Re: IGT Haywire, can it be fixed?
Post by: jidrd55 on November 03, 2018, 02:07:32 PM
Yay Jay thank you, it worked, however now it only accepts 2 quarters at a time and pays wins out of the hopper; which is great cause I didn't know if the hopper worked, but I would prefer wins to credit. I know there's a way to program it in the psr but quite frankly the instructions are Greek to me. Any ideas?

 
Ok the hopper ran out of quarters, 3300 code will not clear with closing the door or pushing the white button running through to end and closing the door, what am I doing wrong?
Title: Re: IGT Haywire, can it be fixed?
Post by: Tilt on November 03, 2018, 02:44:56 PM
Glad the coin comparitor is working again.  It's paying everything from the hopper because the machine credit limit with that SP1274 chip defaults to 0000  So it pays everything to keep the credits at 0.  To change it do this:

Press the white self test button slowly 14 times.  You should see the following on the displays:

0000     3        7

The 1's position 0 should be blinking.  Press the "Spin Reels" button until it says "9".  Then turn the jackpot reset key and the 10's position 0 should blink.  Do the same thing, Press Spin Reels till it's a 9.  Repeat for the 100's and 1000's position.

You should end up with:

9999      3       7

Press the Self test switch two more times.  You should see:

0000     5       7

Set that to 9999 the same way you did with the other setting.

When it's at 9999 press the self test button one more time and close the door.  Wait for the machine to reset then any credits you win should go to the meter.  Hopefully your bill validator will enable too since you enabled it with the set chip.

What you did is set the machine credit limit to 9999 credits and the bill validator credit limit to 9999.


Title: Re: IGT Haywire, can it be fixed?
Post by: jidrd55 on November 03, 2018, 03:00:25 PM
Loved the instructions Tilt, almost as good as a picture;
after pressing white button 14 x's  1000 3 7 showing none blinking
Title: Re: IGT Haywire, can it be fixed?
Post by: jay on November 03, 2018, 03:12:56 PM
In the files directory - there should be Rons's simplified PSR guide (or something to this effect). I think its in Excel format. It has a number of the common chips in it and their options. If you put his guide next to the PSR it will be like a light bulb comes on and all of a sudden things will make sense and you won't need his guide.
Title: Re: IGT Haywire, can it be fixed?
Post by: Tilt on November 03, 2018, 03:54:52 PM
That's a good suggestion Jay.  The PSRs assume you know a lot more than you do when you're new to it. 

Ok, that's showing that your machine's credit limit is set to 1000 then.  Mine was at 0000 by default, not sure why, but I figured yours would be as well.  I had to change it to a non-zero value so it would allow credits to go to the meter instead of paying it from the hopper.  Is your Cash/Credit button lit on your button deck by default?  Meaning when you turn the power on and the machine boots up is the Cash/Credit button lit or do you have to press it to light it?  If you turn it off, it will pay from the hopper.  If it's on it should allow credits to the meter.  If your credits were at 0, the 1's 0 digit should have been blinking, and the Spin Reels button lit to change the value. 

What was the value of the the next one which is the bill validator credit limit  XXXX       5       7? 
Title: Re: IGT Haywire, can it be fixed?
Post by: jidrd55 on November 03, 2018, 04:15:39 PM
Thanks Jay, I downloaded Ron's psr made easy for newby's, it does make a lot more sense and I will be reading it thoroughly.
Tilt, it is 1000 5 7, no flashing digits, and I still have the 3300 error code, do I have to fill the hopper to get that code off, I have about $50 in it now apparently not enough.
Before the coin jam the cash out credit button was lit, the spin reels button and the arm worked but the play max credit button, even though it was lit, didn't work.
Title: Re: IGT Haywire, can it be fixed?
Post by: sixcardmark on November 03, 2018, 04:20:51 PM
Yes fill the hopper till it gets done paying out

glad to see progress!!!

check for loose wire on max bet button and make sure it is snapped in good.
Title: Re: IGT Haywire, can it be fixed?
Post by: Tilt on November 03, 2018, 04:37:00 PM
Ok, the bill validator credit limit is 1000 too then.  If you had an active 3300 error (Hopper empty) then that's why the digits weren't blinking and your Spin Reels button wasn't illuminated.  It will only enable you to make most changes when the machine is in game over idle mode and 0 credits on it. 

You may want to increase those limits at some point, but 1000 is good for now.

Title: Re: IGT Haywire, can it be fixed?
Post by: jay on November 03, 2018, 04:40:38 PM

again if the error is not clearing...….press the white button through the cycle close the door.


Universal fix --- lol.....
Title: Re: IGT Haywire, can it be fixed?
Post by: jidrd55 on November 03, 2018, 05:00:17 PM
Jay, the universal fix isn't working. So I'm gonna put this to bed til the am. Cooking supper and working on this puppy has got me in a tizzy!
 :Crazy:

Thanks for all y'all's help.

Title: Re: IGT Haywire, can it be fixed?
Post by: jidrd55 on November 03, 2018, 08:36:05 PM
 :thank_you: :thank_you: :thank_you:
to all of you who helped, without ever making me feel like a total idiot; I can not express how much I truly appreciate all y'all have done for me in this journey. Tilt, rokgpsman, amechanic, shaggy, sixcardmark, Jim, Jay and everyone else, thank you from the bottom of my heart. Oh and I can't wait to see the looks on my families and friends faces when I tell them Elvis helped me fix my slot machine. And to answer the question, Yes, yes it can be fixed!
 :wave: :wave: :wave:
Title: Re: IGT Haywire, can it be fixed?
Post by: Tilt on November 03, 2018, 08:54:51 PM
 :congrats:

As soon as I saw you post "Oh yee of little faith..." I knew you had exactly what it takes to get a machine that you know nothing about up and running...the right attitude!  I'm really happy for you.  I see credits on the machine and a lit bill validator entry bezel so I think the only thing I can do to help now is get the machine off it's side so you don't have any more coin in and hopper jams  :24: .

We'll be looking forward to hearing about your second machine....they have a way of multiplying  :yes: .
Title: Re: IGT Haywire, can it be fixed?
Post by: sixcardmark on November 03, 2018, 10:10:21 PM
  :applause: :applause: Enjoy your machine!  :cool_thumb_up: :cool_thumb_up:
Title: Re: IGT Haywire, can it be fixed?
Post by: Amechanic on November 04, 2018, 12:27:27 AM
Great work👍.. You should make a small scrap book for people to see what it was, to what is is now. I know your now hooked. I started with one, and now have one in all most every room!  Have fun
Title: Re: IGT Haywire, can it be fixed?
Post by: jidrd55 on November 04, 2018, 04:39:24 PM
Ha, Ha! Thanks Tilt, I actually woke up to a 3100 error code this morning, all clear now. I was actually searching the web this morning for another project slot!  :yes:
Amechanic, I am posting the pictures of the LEDs, I removed the starters and ballasts. I have a folder on my computer with all of the pics and posts of the info given so on my next one I will already have the answers to many problems that will pop up.
Thanks again for all the help, needless to say but I couldn't have done it without y'all.
Now if the Saints can hold on to their lead and hand the Rams their first loss, all will be good in my world! Sorry California boys!


Oh yeah, I forgot to add that the total cost for the machine and parts is $475, about $75 of that was shipping and I did have some major parts donated.

Title: Re: IGT Haywire, can it be fixed?
Post by: Tilt on November 04, 2018, 05:07:24 PM
I was wondering if you'd gotten around to installing the LED tubes or not.  How do you like them?  I've been really happy with mine.
Title: Re: IGT Haywire, can it be fixed?
Post by: jidrd55 on November 06, 2018, 04:06:29 AM
I love them!
Title: Re: IGT Haywire, can it be fixed?
Post by: Rpowell18 on November 14, 2018, 05:14:16 PM
i just got a gutted Haywire Machine and was able to get all the parts needed to get it up and running..the total was around 500.00 in parts (logic..Motherboard ..Tray..and a cables and the coin comparator..chipsets ,,etc  included shipping jj slots were great
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